Chewy I have been watching you for years. I was in BJJ over 20 years ago and stopped back then because it was over an hour drive just to train BJJ. These days there are BJJ schools all around me (metro ATL) but I have never gone back. I have been watching you because I have always planned on going back…You share such good information and you are such a cool instructor. I’ve always felt that I had unfinished business in BJJ. I’m about to turn 50 and this is going to be my year to get serious again with BJJ. I don’t watch many BJJ or MMA videos or anything like that. I doubt if you will even see this, but I have to tell you man, you are the sole reason I have always wanted to go back, and the reason I will be going back. Thanks a bunch bro. The decision has been made.
I got back into it at 45 after a long break. It's frustrating sometimes. Reactions, strength and flexibility aren't what they used to be and these younger guys frequently dominate me. It doesn't matter though, I've noticed that I've gotten better since I returned and that should be the only worthwhile gauge for most people. More importantly I'm living a healthier lifestyle overall - better diet, etc. It's well worth getting into or getting back into regardless of your age.
My coach told me something as a blue belt that stuck with me. He said a spazzy white belt is a great test for how you’d handle a self defense scenario with an untrained opponent. I never forgot this and treat rolls with newbies as such but I also work with them to help them get better.
Yes, receiving a knee or an elbow from a spaz should be taken as ones fault for exposing your head unnecessarily instead of getting emotionally affected by it
the best advice I ever got as a white belt was to work on my escapes. I feel like 80% of spaziness comes from the fear of ending up in a bad position. as you learn to get comfortable in these bad positions you tend to spaz out less to avoid these positions. and the second one would be position over submission... when you learn how to secure a strong dominant position the submission will come after... chasing the submission like a dog chasing a car will lead most of the times either nowhere or injury
I was an aggressive strong white belt and the coach told me I was hurting people. I thought he was joking as I felt I was ok. Next minute a brown belt “enforced” me with about 4 hard fast subs in a few minutes. Scared the shit out of me.
I had a brown belt who had previously been really cool with me absolutely kick my arse one time. Just tied me in knots and tapped me about a dozen times in six minutes. I asked him if I'd done something to piss him off. He shook his head and pointed at our coach. "I just went six minutes of him doing this to me. I just needed to prove I could still do it." 😆
Great video! Blue belt here. Was totally that white belt. Biggest change I’ve noticed is that I’ve been subconsciously doing the breathing techniques you are saying. And it so works!
100% agree that you need to give targeted feedback to new people, being told you're "going too hard" doesn't teach you anything. In my experience, from both being a white belt and being a higher belt, the biggest issue is getting the message across that class sessions are about learning not BEATING your training partner.
The four stages of Chewjitsu: - Spaz White belt - Big Stupid Wookiee - Chewbaca - Chewy You've made it throught all four stages to become a master lol. Great advice man I love the channel.
Great video and really useful. As a "higher" belt ive had this come up a number of times, but usually people are receptive when they realise if they realise if they slow down theyll learn more. I had one instance though where a white belt who was being completely reckless actually started arguing with me about it which was difficult. He ended up getting injured by someone else though who wasnt so tolerant!
First of all I love your content and just started jamming on your podcast...Great stuff! I have just started 3 weeks ago and have sustained a sprained thumb (hyperextension) The reason was I continuing to get swept but to stop it I post. However, I don't know how to post correctly with my arm or legs for that matter. Could you possibly do a video on "posting safely"? It seems to be an overlooked subject on RUclips. Sure there are breakfall videos but posting dynamics seem to be ignored. Thanks again for your amazing philosophy and the greatest BJJ content to date!🎉❤
You just gotta realize that it's OK to get submitted. It doesn't really matter or mean anything. Use a scientific experimental approach to try to understand what's going on in the positions you're in. Make it about trying to learn rather than trying to win. It's a mind game we play with our body
My first 6 months has been an exercise in how my body works as it relates to getting smashed and I don't mind at all. After rolls I look at every good thing I did even if it was just not getting arm barred or improving my position. If I actually land a sweep or get to back or mount I call it a major victory. I know the subs will come eventually and If I can master the positioning they will be easier.
@85Funkadelic Anytime I try a move and it doesn't work, I always look it up to see what I did wrong. Any move I learn in class, I'll look up to see how people do it. I just focus on escapes in the beginning. I let everyone get in good positions in every roll, and I just try to escape or counter. Let them get side control or mount or whatever, and then try to escape. Once I can escape whatever position, then I'm allowed to try to work on offense and attacking. It's easier to get more escape reps in because everyone wants to be offensive. When you can easily escape bad positions and get into good ones, then it's easier to work on offense. It also helps because knowing how to escape helps to keep others from escaping you. Even when I do something and it works, I still try to see how I could have done it better. I never try to use strength. When you use proper timing and technique, the moves become effortless.
Love the breathing tip. -48 year old 8 month 1 stripe white belt. I have totally noticed my breathing slow down and steady out in 8 months. Also, not so gassed out at the end of a roll.
I'm a white belt and have been training for about four months. When I roll with the higher belt levels I am always looking for constructive criticism. How else are you going to learn? That being said, when I first joined the higher belts completely messed me up. I'm 49, and it's like class four and these guys are submitting me 4 or 5 times in a 5 minute rolling session? I got injured a lot in the beginning of training, I just had to say to some of these guys, " I don't want to roll at a hundred percent, more like 70 or eighty" They were all cool for the most part and now when we roll they give me a lot more guidance while rolling and after.
Thank you for this. I’m only a blue belt, but I get worried going with aggressive (purposely or accidentally) because I’m not a big guy and it wouldn’t be hard for them to hurt me in a spaz roll. If/When I see newer guys doing stuff like not tapping or going too hard I try redirecting. Turning colors? Tap. Out of breath from a light roll? Calm down, control your breath. Ripping around where I’m getting banged up or feel joints moving out of place? Ease up and CTFD, please. I don’t want to be (more) broken before I get to purple, brown, and black
Good insight, as always. My two cents: white belts should be focused on defending and escaping, not attacking. The biggest problem with beginners is that they think the goal of any roll is to “win”, and in their minds, they usually equate submitting someone with winning. The problem is that they don’t know how to submit people properly. Even if they’ve learned a submission or two, they don’t know how to control people well enough to pull off the submissions safely. I like the Rener and Ryron Gracie approach: defend, escape, control, submit. I think if beginners focused a lot more on defense and escapes, there would be a lot less injuries and fewer people quitting out of frustration.
I started BJJ when I was a powerlifting teenager. I tried to use my strength and youth on everyone when I first started training. Partially out of ego, and partially because it was the only tool I had and I would use it without realizing it.
Quick question.. Are you a bad training partner if you're constantly hunting submissions? I was rolling with a purple belt and while on bottom, I went for no gi baseball choke.. He then made the comment "This is why I don't like blue belts" As I questioned, he simplified that it's just bad Jiu-Jitsu and it could injury somebody. I've never been told this and I've never injured anyone but I just want to know if this is "bad training partner" qualities. Thank you
5:11 YESSSS! 💯 Sooo so true! I was that rowdy white belt and was getting smashed and swept and constantly submitted, 😫I was so sick of it,so I would ask what it was I was doing wrong, and for them to show me the move, I got better faster! 💓Love my big brothers 💪😂 You got this brochacho , you’ll look back at this as you gain more experience and realize that you were actually that spazzy white belt ha ha ha ha , then you’ll be the one helping the spazzy white belt, thinking back on this, good luck!🍀 🥸💪💯
The blue belts are my best resource. They know the mistakes I’m going to make, and smash me when I make them. Results are always a hard learned lesson.
I like to have an idea of how much pressure I'm putting through my hands at any given point in time--pushing or pulling, I try to limit myself to about 40-50 pounds max. 60-80 if the other guy uses something more like traditional wrestling with all that forward pressure. Then when I'm trying to train more offense or I'm helping somebody prep for a tournament or something like that, I ramp up my pressure first by getting faster and sneakier, and only after that I'll start putting more and more force into my stuff as required.
Im about 6 months in and I noticed I was putting WAY more effort into things that was necessary. But I had a moment rolling with another white belt and I actually was able to take a second and relax in the middle of getting smashed and I could feel that it was the other guy who was putting all of the exertion in and I was in a place during the roll that I was able to apply a couple frames and actually relax a little. It was a watershed moment for me that I want to duplicate.
I think everyone's the spaz and over exerts... but what i also have seen is when I started using Judo moves in rolls and even if i was gentle they would still freak out just because they don't know what the technique is, they assume it's a spazzy white belt move and get mad... and they never accept it when i tell them what the move was, higher belts someone's forget other grappling exists and works.
Hey Chewy, I'm a blue belt from chicago who recently visited a gym in Wichita. I arrived early to get some stretching in and ask questions. But when I asked about why he has a green belt in his Adult belt system along with the lack of sandal use in between getting on/off the mat he snapped at me and said I was "killing his mood" with all the questions and told me to gtfo, even going as far as to threatening to get physical. I have never in my 4 years of training been treated that way when visiting a new Gym. After some back and forth[me explaining I meant no harm while shaking and crying] he let me stay for class. Eventually he admitted that he "read me wrong" or whatever and apologized. After class the kids came in I noticed he was also being kind of a jerk when addressing the kids. Not sure what his problem is, I guess some coaches are just more touchy when it comes to questioning their gym/methods.
Spazy is too wide of a definition. In my experience it should be categorized into attack and defence, usually a spaz will push against frames unnecessarily, in that case I would show them why that is a waste of energy and that in those cases they should focus in a direction change, to do that they should understand in what direction they need to go. To do that they should slow down and decide where to go. Otherwise they will be a loaded spring that will explode at any time. On the defense, it usually comes down to kicking and twisting (usually exposing their back). In those cases y show them that their focus should be distance management through framing (basic ideas as closing knees with elbows). But as the higher belt you should do that at the exact moment they are making this mistakes. Most time spazing is mistaken as intensity. Rolling with intensity is not incorrect.
Hate the use of 'spazzy' that seems to be so commonly accepted in BJJ - there is absolutely no need to adopt a word used to mock physically handicapped people. Its grim, its lazy and it reflects badly on anyone that uses it.
I'm watching this thinking, yeah I was so spazzy before, but since coming back, I'm way more chill. Chewey comments about elbows in face... Last roll i randomly knee my training partner in the mouth... Still spazzy 😅
Roll with one white belt who seems to have poor muscle control. He is exceptionally strong and has a tendency to hurt training partners because his moves are so hurkey jurkey. Hate rolling with him but coach has been after him to smooth out and he’s still a bit jerky but doing much better.
another option is some higher belts are themselves emotionally weak and use the “youre a spazzy white belt” to put someone down when their ego is hurt, who in truth doesnt really deserve it.
I’ve had this happen and I started talking back in little ways while rolling … I’d say stuff like, “Man you’re breathing hard” or “you’re really sweating a lot”. It cracks me up how quickly the dynamic changes and things get really real quick
as a recent blue belt I tolerate the white and blue belts that use mostly strengh and 1 or 2 movements to "win" the roll. for me, I'm always looking for new techniques. in a one or two year period I notice my bjj is a lot better than most of them. their loss
Many upper belts get upset when white belts spaz out because they're scared. I never understood getting upset because the dude in front of me was moving unpredictably; I'm doing a fight sport, not zumba. I look at it like this: the spazzy ones are the closest many bjj people will ever get to a real fight so I take advantage of the situation and work on self defense bjj. Explaining to a white belt that by slowing down, their bjj will get better faster and they will be able to fight for more rounds will garnish better result from them. Spazzy is worse for the white belt than the experienced player anyway; real experienced colored belts should be able to handle them. If not, then take a look at your rank and ask yourself if BJJ is for you.
Chewy I have been watching you for years. I was in BJJ over 20 years ago and stopped back then because it was over an hour drive just to train BJJ. These days there are BJJ schools all around me (metro ATL) but I have never gone back. I have been watching you because I have always planned on going back…You share such good information and you are such a cool instructor. I’ve always felt that I had unfinished business in BJJ. I’m about to turn 50 and this is going to be my year to get serious again with BJJ. I don’t watch many BJJ or MMA videos or anything like that. I doubt if you will even see this, but I have to tell you man, you are the sole reason I have always wanted to go back, and the reason I will be going back. Thanks a bunch bro. The decision has been made.
One day or day one brother just get after it
Get after it man! You got this!
I got back into it at 45 after a long break. It's frustrating sometimes. Reactions, strength and flexibility aren't what they used to be and these younger guys frequently dominate me. It doesn't matter though, I've noticed that I've gotten better since I returned and that should be the only worthwhile gauge for most people. More importantly I'm living a healthier lifestyle overall - better diet, etc. It's well worth getting into or getting back into regardless of your age.
What are you waiting for?
It'll be the best thing you've ever done..
My coach told me something as a blue belt that stuck with me. He said a spazzy white belt is a great test for how you’d handle a self defense scenario with an untrained opponent. I never forgot this and treat rolls with newbies as such but I also work with them to help them get better.
This is the way.
Yes, receiving a knee or an elbow from a spaz should be taken as ones fault for exposing your head unnecessarily instead of getting emotionally affected by it
Exactly!
the best advice I ever got as a white belt was to work on my escapes. I feel like 80% of spaziness comes from the fear of ending up in a bad position. as you learn to get comfortable in these bad positions you tend to spaz out less to avoid these positions. and the second one would be position over submission... when you learn how to secure a strong dominant position the submission will come after... chasing the submission like a dog chasing a car will lead most of the times either nowhere or injury
I was an aggressive strong white belt and the coach told me I was hurting people. I thought he was joking as I felt I was ok. Next minute a brown belt “enforced” me with about 4 hard fast subs in a few minutes.
Scared the shit out of me.
I had a brown belt who had previously been really cool with me absolutely kick my arse one time. Just tied me in knots and tapped me about a dozen times in six minutes. I asked him if I'd done something to piss him off. He shook his head and pointed at our coach. "I just went six minutes of him doing this to me. I just needed to prove I could still do it." 😆
Great video! Blue belt here. Was totally that white belt. Biggest change I’ve noticed is that I’ve been subconsciously doing the breathing techniques you are saying. And it so works!
Opposite problem at my gym 😅 higher belts just like to rag doll me when I just want to get the fundamentals down
Maybe you just suck
100% agree that you need to give targeted feedback to new people, being told you're "going too hard" doesn't teach you anything. In my experience, from both being a white belt and being a higher belt, the biggest issue is getting the message across that class sessions are about learning not BEATING your training partner.
The four stages of Chewjitsu:
- Spaz White belt
- Big Stupid Wookiee
- Chewbaca
- Chewy
You've made it throught all four stages to become a master lol. Great advice man I love the channel.
As an older dude, I feel like I move like C-3PO.
Great video and really useful. As a "higher" belt ive had this come up a number of times, but usually people are receptive when they realise if they realise if they slow down theyll learn more. I had one instance though where a white belt who was being completely reckless actually started arguing with me about it which was difficult. He ended up getting injured by someone else though who wasnt so tolerant!
First of all I love your content and just started jamming on your podcast...Great stuff!
I have just started 3 weeks ago and have sustained a sprained thumb (hyperextension)
The reason was I continuing to get swept but to stop it I post.
However, I don't know how to post correctly with my arm or legs for that matter.
Could you possibly do a video on "posting safely"?
It seems to be an overlooked subject on RUclips.
Sure there are breakfall videos but posting dynamics seem to be ignored.
Thanks again for your amazing philosophy and the greatest BJJ content to date!🎉❤
You just gotta realize that it's OK to get submitted. It doesn't really matter or mean anything. Use a scientific experimental approach to try to understand what's going on in the positions you're in. Make it about trying to learn rather than trying to win. It's a mind game we play with our body
My first 6 months has been an exercise in how my body works as it relates to getting smashed and I don't mind at all. After rolls I look at every good thing I did even if it was just not getting arm barred or improving my position. If I actually land a sweep or get to back or mount I call it a major victory. I know the subs will come eventually and If I can master the positioning they will be easier.
@85Funkadelic Anytime I try a move and it doesn't work, I always look it up to see what I did wrong. Any move I learn in class, I'll look up to see how people do it. I just focus on escapes in the beginning. I let everyone get in good positions in every roll, and I just try to escape or counter. Let them get side control or mount or whatever, and then try to escape. Once I can escape whatever position, then I'm allowed to try to work on offense and attacking. It's easier to get more escape reps in because everyone wants to be offensive. When you can easily escape bad positions and get into good ones, then it's easier to work on offense. It also helps because knowing how to escape helps to keep others from escaping you. Even when I do something and it works, I still try to see how I could have done it better. I never try to use strength. When you use proper timing and technique, the moves become effortless.
Love the breathing tip. -48 year old 8 month 1 stripe white belt. I have totally noticed my breathing slow down and steady out in 8 months. Also, not so gassed out at the end of a roll.
I had to deal with the comment on top of dealing with P.T.S.D that makes the pazz 10 times more dangerous
No one hears “calm down”. They just kind of do it. That’s the corner to turn for blue.
I'm a white belt and have been training for about four months. When I roll with the higher belt levels I am always looking for constructive criticism. How else are you going to learn? That being said, when I first joined the higher belts completely messed me up. I'm 49, and it's like class four and these guys are submitting me 4 or 5 times in a 5 minute rolling session? I got injured a lot in the beginning of training, I just had to say to some of these guys, " I don't want to roll at a hundred percent, more like 70 or eighty" They were all cool for the most part and now when we roll they give me a lot more guidance while rolling and after.
Fantastic video - I learned how you got your nickname and your personal breathing techniques ❤
Thank you for this. I’m only a blue belt, but I get worried going with aggressive (purposely or accidentally) because I’m not a big guy and it wouldn’t be hard for them to hurt me in a spaz roll. If/When I see newer guys doing stuff like not tapping or going too hard I try redirecting. Turning colors? Tap. Out of breath from a light roll? Calm down, control your breath. Ripping around where I’m getting banged up or feel joints moving out of place? Ease up and CTFD, please. I don’t want to be (more) broken before I get to purple, brown, and black
Good insight, as always. My two cents: white belts should be focused on defending and escaping, not attacking.
The biggest problem with beginners is that they think the goal of any roll is to “win”, and in their minds, they usually equate submitting someone with winning.
The problem is that they don’t know how to submit people properly. Even if they’ve learned a submission or two, they don’t know how to control people well enough to pull off the submissions safely.
I like the Rener and Ryron Gracie approach: defend, escape, control, submit.
I think if beginners focused a lot more on defense and escapes, there would be a lot less injuries and fewer people quitting out of frustration.
I started BJJ when I was a powerlifting teenager. I tried to use my strength and youth on everyone when I first started training. Partially out of ego, and partially because it was the only tool I had and I would use it without realizing it.
Quick question.. Are you a bad training partner if you're constantly hunting submissions? I was rolling with a purple belt and while on bottom, I went for no gi baseball choke.. He then made the comment "This is why I don't like blue belts" As I questioned, he simplified that it's just bad Jiu-Jitsu and it could injury somebody. I've never been told this and I've never injured anyone but I just want to know if this is "bad training partner" qualities. Thank you
I'm super lazy when it comes to BJJ so I LOVE when an aggressive white belt comes along. Keeps me from getting too soft.
5:11 YESSSS! 💯 Sooo so true! I was that rowdy white belt and was getting smashed and swept and constantly submitted, 😫I was so sick of it,so I would ask what it was I was doing wrong, and for them to show me the move, I got better faster! 💓Love my big brothers 💪😂
You got this brochacho , you’ll look back at this as you gain more experience and realize that you were actually that spazzy white belt ha ha ha ha , then you’ll be the one helping the spazzy white belt, thinking back on this, good luck!🍀 🥸💪💯
Recently discovered your channel, definitely enjoying and appreciate your content chewy. Keep it up brother :)
The blue belts are my best resource. They know the mistakes I’m going to make, and smash me when I make them. Results are always a hard learned lesson.
I like to have an idea of how much pressure I'm putting through my hands at any given point in time--pushing or pulling, I try to limit myself to about 40-50 pounds max. 60-80 if the other guy uses something more like traditional wrestling with all that forward pressure.
Then when I'm trying to train more offense or I'm helping somebody prep for a tournament or something like that, I ramp up my pressure first by getting faster and sneakier, and only after that I'll start putting more and more force into my stuff as required.
Any updates on the tournament you were going to hold in Clemson?
Thanks for the origin story
Im about 6 months in and I noticed I was putting WAY more effort into things that was necessary. But I had a moment rolling with another white belt and I actually was able to take a second and relax in the middle of getting smashed and I could feel that it was the other guy who was putting all of the exertion in and I was in a place during the roll that I was able to apply a couple frames and actually relax a little. It was a watershed moment for me that I want to duplicate.
Instead of asking what you did wrong, consider asking what you could do differently.
Chewy read “ Breath “!
Good video chewy thanks brotha
I think everyone's the spaz and over exerts... but what i also have seen is when I started using Judo moves in rolls and even if i was gentle they would still freak out just because they don't know what the technique is, they assume it's a spazzy white belt move and get mad... and they never accept it when i tell them what the move was, higher belts someone's forget other grappling exists and works.
Hey Chewy, I'm a blue belt from chicago who recently visited a gym in Wichita. I arrived early to get some stretching in and ask questions. But when I asked about why he has a green belt in his Adult belt system along with the lack of sandal use in between getting on/off the mat he snapped at me and said I was "killing his mood" with all the questions and told me to gtfo, even going as far as to threatening to get physical. I have never in my 4 years of training been treated that way when visiting a new Gym. After some back and forth[me explaining I meant no harm while shaking and crying] he let me stay for class. Eventually he admitted that he "read me wrong" or whatever and apologized. After class the kids came in I noticed he was also being kind of a jerk when addressing the kids.
Not sure what his problem is, I guess some coaches are just more touchy when it comes to questioning their gym/methods.
Wichita KS what gym ?
Spazy is too wide of a definition. In my experience it should be categorized into attack and defence, usually a spaz will push against frames unnecessarily, in that case I would show them why that is a waste of energy and that in those cases they should focus in a direction change, to do that they should understand in what direction they need to go. To do that they should slow down and decide where to go. Otherwise they will be a loaded spring that will explode at any time. On the defense, it usually comes down to kicking and twisting (usually exposing their back). In those cases y show them that their focus should be distance management through framing (basic ideas as closing knees with elbows). But as the higher belt you should do that at the exact moment they are making this mistakes. Most time spazing is mistaken as intensity. Rolling with intensity is not incorrect.
Hate the use of 'spazzy' that seems to be so commonly accepted in BJJ - there is absolutely no need to adopt a word used to mock physically handicapped people. Its grim, its lazy and it reflects badly on anyone that uses it.
Great stuff 👍
I'm watching this thinking, yeah I was so spazzy before, but since coming back, I'm way more chill. Chewey comments about elbows in face... Last roll i randomly knee my training partner in the mouth... Still spazzy 😅
Best advice I can give is to chill out when u on the bottom think it’ll help out in the long run
“Breath” by James Nestor. Read it.
Roll with one white belt who seems to have poor muscle control. He is exceptionally strong and has a tendency to hurt training partners because his moves are so hurkey jurkey. Hate rolling with him but coach has been after him to smooth out and he’s still a bit jerky but doing much better.
Ty good tip on the breathing
Pleased to be at stage 2. Consciously incompetent 😂
Dude is probably watching to many B-team videos. lol
Ju Jitsu isnt for everyone, it takes some people awhile to realize, oh im just going to get my ass kicked for a year.
Rool with the injured 😄
another option is some higher belts are themselves emotionally weak and use the “youre a spazzy white belt” to put someone down when their ego is hurt, who in truth doesnt really deserve it.
i thought this, if the white belt is a big fella it might be the higher belts miffed that they are having a hard time dealing with his strength
I’ve had this happen and I started talking back in little ways while rolling … I’d say stuff like, “Man you’re breathing hard” or “you’re really sweating a lot”. It cracks me up how quickly the dynamic changes and things get really real quick
signed - yours sincerely,
bathsalts ben
as a recent blue belt I tolerate the white and blue belts that use mostly strengh and 1 or 2 movements to "win" the roll. for me, I'm always looking for new techniques. in a one or two year period I notice my bjj is a lot better than most of them. their loss
Wrong, you only want to nasal breath. Read the book I just referenced
Many upper belts get upset when white belts spaz out because they're scared. I never understood getting upset because the dude in front of me was moving unpredictably; I'm doing a fight sport, not zumba.
I look at it like this: the spazzy ones are the closest many bjj people will ever get to a real fight so I take advantage of the situation and work on self defense bjj.
Explaining to a white belt that by slowing down, their bjj will get better faster and they will be able to fight for more rounds will garnish better result from them.
Spazzy is worse for the white belt than the experienced player anyway; real experienced colored belts should be able to handle them. If not, then take a look at your rank and ask yourself if BJJ is for you.
Kimura lock is not a verb.
Chewy is the only bjj tuber I can watch. Rolling and technique videos are boring.
Great video my friend.
#TeachEmpathy