oh its completely on purpose. this week Jacques Vallée ( a astronomer , internet pioneer & computer scientist ) published a book about Ufos. but shermer chose to have this guy on. completely on purpose
@@uchicha666 im obviously not saying its staged you dimwit. he could have interviewed Jacques Vallée a actual scientist. but this guy talks all the crazy woo woo nonsense that fits shermers perception of ufology as bat shit crazy and shermer went with the lowest denominator. its like having a show on Quantum field theory and interviewing Bill Nye with his baking soda & vinegar.
Alan this interview is incredible and you are an incredible individual, the more you speak on your interest the more interest I have in your speaking. keep up the good work, let's pray you get that award for your literary effort, " Making Contact."
Poor Shermer. You can almost sense him straining to keep a straight face and have a serious discussion. I can see why this guy would be a good friend of Chopra; it is harder to figure out why Shermer would be. They must have found common ground on something or other...
I'm an electrical engineer with a background in semiconductor device design (VLSI/ASIC logic designer). The idea that a society without a knowledge of the physics and engineering of semiconductors and chip manufacturing and design could reverse engineer such devices is preposterous in the extreme!!!! You should have someone on who knows about large scale semiconductor devices to talk about how hard it would be to reverse engineer such a thing without knowledge of the physics and operation and without scanning electron microscopes and advanced chemistry, along with advanced digital design techniques and powerful computers.
*Alan Steinfeld:* "I'm a skeptic just like you..." 👽👽👽 *Inigo Montoya:* "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." 🤺🤺🤺
but Shermer not Montoya sees him and treats him much different than you and many skeptics.Loeb and Kaku both are far beyond this "mentality" as well.Funny,some of the top names in science NOT acting like well...the average science enthusiast with their much more limited knowledge base,perspective and experiences.Skeptic....you keep using that word...
I agree! It would be like Michael Shermer calling himself a new age thinker. His guests here is a very imaginative and creative thinker who admits very openly to being a fan of Science Fiction and loving the idea of more. In no way does he come across as someone who is skeptical or who demands a high degree of evidence for his belief systems or just ideas that he likes to say might be true
Dr. shermer,I always considered you a closed minded debunker,but after this show,I'm willing to reconsider.I saw a flying saucer in1974,with five other people.It was large,silent,and had no visible means of support.It looked metallic,and had lots of lights around itThe whole experience lasted approx half an hour.It was in our sight for a good twenty minutes.Inhave been an aircraft buff since I was a small child.I could identify everything the US military flew.In Savannnah in the 1960 s,and 1970 s,you could see every thing the military flew. Thank you for the video,and the presentation
Wow that was wild. I love Steinfeld's passion for his subject, genuine enthusiasm and so on, but I interpret his story as offering a case study in how espoused skepticism and exploration of subjects can gradually morph into dogmatically held but illusory beliefs even though one still thinks (incorrectly) they're a 'skeptic' and they still adopt and portray such an identity.
So Steinfeld had some weird experiences as a youth and then went on a lifelong journey of confirmation seeking for his preconceived notions. Steinfeld offers nothing truly substantive here - just lots of woo, anecdotes, and personal incredulity. That being said, I love Shermer's podcasts and this was entertaining for what it was.
The difference between a skeptic and a true-believer who claims others should "have an open mind" is that it is the true-believer who actually has a closed mind as absolutely zero evidence brought to bear against their belief will alter their opinion. A skeptic, however, will easily and happily change his mind once sufficient evidence is produced. However, I've noticed a great deal of supposed "skeptics" who fall precariously into the "true-believer" category nowadays.
Shermer never mentioned that the tic tax and other UAP’s were also locked on radar. It can’t be the camera, they were also looking at them. Reports are they saw them every day in air space for years.
You're a skeptic until you experience it yourself, and then you become a believer. Fortunately, I am in the latter group, and it's all so amazing, and puts life at a different level, what's considered reality completely changes. We're all one with the universe/ global life/ dimensions / everything, separation and duality are myths, and dont exist, and it's all very wonderful. Thank you always for great discussions in this topic - love it !!
I wish I had the same childlike "gullibleism" as steinfeld. But he's way too far away from the real world to take seriously. But he seems like a lovely guy. But way to gullible. Michael must have held back a lot for this one. Hats off to that😊
That was fun; Star trek was the first show I was able to stay up late to watch. Right after Wild Kingdom. I still remember the jingle from the commercials in between for mutual of Omaha insurance. Good times. You got to interview Rupert Sheldrake soon.
@@MexAm120902 Just wild Kingdom. It’s what we watched in conjunction with Star Trek. And I’m not sure if it’s the same night, but if my parents Drink an extra few glasses of wine, I was allowed to stay up and watch ‘love American style’ & ‘ The love boat’..... Can’t believe they let me watch those shows when I was like seven years old! LOL. .. but I suppose those are relatively innocent Compared to what kids are watching these days.
I think it would be far more interesting for Michael Shermer to interview the sober former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Christopher Mellon for his position on Unidentified Ariel Phenomena, rather than the flaky though charming Alan Steinfeld.
oh its completely on purpose. this week Jacques Vallée ( a astronomer , internet pioneer & computer scientist ) published a book about Ufos. but shermer chose to have this guy on. completely on purpose
I'm sorry to say, but Shermer is guilty of strawmanning the debate concerning the veracity of claims pertaining to UAPs.The skeptic dictum of "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" has been met on multiple occasions, particularly with the USS Nimitz incident and the recovery of alloys that appear to be irreplicable. I'm a huge fan of the show but I feel that Michael is lacking in integrity where this subject is concerned. Why does he only speak to loonies like that guy? Why doesn't he speak to solid people like Commander Fravor, Christopher Mellon, Jacques Vallée or the then Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid? It pains me to say this, but I feel that he's acting in bad faith. I didn't believe in the phenomenon before, but the recent stuff that's come out is truly mind blowing and from the actual US government.
@@MrFloppyHare Thanks for your reply :) Well, that's the question, isn't it? My problem with Shermer's approach is that he deems inferences to the best explanation and putting forth possible scenarios as legitimate in other domains of research, but when it comes to UAPs, this principle is characterised as being unscientific. Speculation is not allowed on this subject whereas it is encouraged in others (this applies to every single thing we 'know', except for mathematical formulas, as they're the only proveable things in the world). All I know is that if these are hoaxes, the steps taken to create them would not only involve breaking the laws of physics, but a major conspiracy (thus, making a conspiracy theorist out of the skeptic; consider that!). I would refer you both to Hume's 'On Miracles' and Occam's razor when considering this. Best regards, Tom.
Thanks for a very great show.From someone who adheres to something that some call Spirit Science(or similar) i am glad to hear your version of what you coined Sciencetuality.Somehow that term makes total sense.And Alan Steinfeld was great on his own and your cooperation and dialogue together was truly admirable.Hello from the other end of SoCal,Inland Empire.See you all in a month or so after the UAPTF report.
Here's a couple of RUclips channels who debunk the recent UFO videos: ruclips.net/user/MickWest ruclips.net/user/Thunderf00t Also in the book "A Thousand Brains" Jeff Hawkins makes a strong case that we have only had the capability for the past 100 years out of 3.5 Billion years of Earth's existence so there needs to be a new term in Drake's equation.
Mysterious vehicles flying through the skies that maneuver is such a way that defies our current understanding of physics have been confirmed by the government and the military. From this fact you can deduce only one of two possibilities: 1. The flying vehicles are top secret Russian, Chinese, American, or tech created by Elon Musk that is so advanced we can't begin to comprehend how it works. 2. The tech is powered by interplanetary or extradimensional beings visiting Earth. You are very pompous in your confidence that science has everything figured out and that there is nothing left to discover. The only one promoting "woo woo" seems to be you as you aren't being rational at all.
@@christopher3556 who in this thread is saying he has everything figured out and that there's nothing left to discover? Are you, perhaps, replying to a completely different comment on a completely different channel, and just happen to be simultaneously VIEWING this video... ya know, remotely?
@@jeffmoore4940 That's how I would characterize the attitude of the majority of the people in this comment section. There's unnecessary stigma and prejudice towards ufologists and people who are asking important questions to figure out what these things actually are and why they are here. There's a difference between a closed-minded skeptic and an open-minded skeptic. The so called "rationalists" in this comment section are the closed-minded skeptics that hold society back and never question their own beliefs.
@@christopher3556 Hi Christopher how are you? At a guess I don’t believe you are a subscriber or regular viewer of Dr.Shermer’s channel. You seem very invested in there having to be aliens, not just their existence but that aliens are here on Earth now. I really enjoy thinking about what could be possible or even what might never be possible. Sometimes I have to be careful to make sure that I’m not investing my character, identity, or beliefs in fantas. It’s ok to have wild thoughts and ideas but be careful to not let those thoughts and ideas become beliefs, and beliefs used to form our identity. Try a thought experiment if you will; imagine your life and who you are. Then imagine you definitively knew aliens don’t exist. Notice how you feel, if you have feelings of happiness or depression or anxiety. If imaging that aliens really don’t exist causes you any negative feelings, you need to be strong and ask “why”. Be well Christopher.
@@boldandthebeautifulgimbal2881 I am saying we should push back on our own beliefs more often and use Socratic method. I offered two propositions, one of which included the existence of aliens. Your guess is wrong btw, I've listened to a number of Shermer's podcasts. He seems to attract people with cult-like thinking who get angry whenever he invites a guest that has a viewpoint differing too far from their own. It isn't a fantastical belief (or thought) to say UAPs are alien tech. Matter of fact, it is a rational, logical conclusion.
It's not clear how a consensus on a definition of exactly what a sceptic might be could be arrived at. One thing is for sure though, Steinfeld ain't a sceptic. But of course he makes a ridiculous claim to be one.
The following excerpt is taken from: The Comanches: Lords of the South Plains by Ernest Wallace & E. Adamson Hoebel (1952 / softcover edition) p. 198 Although the Thunderbird myth was common to most Plains Indians, the Comanches have given it variation. They had evidence other than thunder and rain of the existence of a great bird. They told of a spot on the upper Red River where the grass remained permanently burned off over a space having the shape of a huge bird with outspread wings. They claimed that the Thunderbird once alighted there. A hunter shot and wounded a large bird which fell to the ground, but because of its large size, he was afraid to go close enough to kill it. He returned to camp for help. When his party approached the ravine where the bird had fallen, they heard thunder and were blinded by terrific flashes of lightning coming from the ravine. While attempting to approach nearer, one of the hunters was struck dead by a flash. Realizing that their victim was the Thunderbird, the rest became frightened and fled back to camp. To me, this has a very strong UFO theme but the authors never made the connection, at least not in the text. Perhaps -- assuming the idea even occurred to them -- they thought they'd be laughed at if they stated it. Are we being visited by aliens from other worlds? I don't know. I am a skeptic and an atheist. Having said that, I have had some extremely strange experiences in my life. I will state one story here (there are others): Back in the late 80s I had a girlfriend (a few years ago I found out she passed away from cancer in 2010). One day I found out that she had an interest in Ouija boards (yes, a stupid game made in a factory... what kind of powers could such a game have? Well, read on). We had one in my house, a birthday gift from many years ago that had pretty much been kept on a top-closet shelf and all but forgotten about. Again, this was in the late 80s before the Internet and Google Maps. We asked the board if anyone was out there to make contact with. Unbelievably, the board responded (the planchette moved) and spelled out that the person we were talking to was a warlock (not a spirit, but a living male witch). We asked for its location. It spelled out a specific address, which if it existed, would be about 15-20 minutes from my girlfriend's house. We figured, What the heck, let's go for a drive and see if it is a real place (it would have been so much easier if we had the Internet back then). Well, the house existed. When we got there, we could not believe that the address was real, but neither of us was willing to get out of the car and knock on the door -- looking back, I wish we had. We sat there for a little while just looking. It was so strange... After all, what were the odds that such an address would turn out to be real? When we got back to her place and sat down with the board again, the first thing it spelled out was, "I saw you outside my window." This is not a joke. This happened. My girlfriend got very scared (freaked out would be more accurate) and didn't want to play anymore. I did not move the planchette. My girlfriend did not move it. Yes, it's just my word. I know it happened. I will never be able to explain this event. I still have the board... stored in the top shelf of my bedroom closet (but not the same house from my childhood). I have not opened the box in many, many years.
Science cannot be : could it , should it , maybe this maybe that ??? Also I always say that we can not consider every possibility but must identify what it is the most likely and most fact based process and observable and testable !!
Congratulations Micheal. Watched a few of these recently; very interesting guests, subject matter plus you make a great host etc Pete Woodroffe Music Pete Woodroffe Music Pete
Thank you Dr. Shermer for this video. I wanted to bale out at remote viewing but your patience in the face of pseudoscience and a lack of critical thinking skills is something to be studied.
One I'm blown away a guys writes a book about ufos and doesn't know who Mick is... and two,.. damn it Michael!... you butchered Micks analysis by confabulated it from 2 different videos.
The speeds and accelerations reported by the Navy are way too extreme to be "terrestrial". And given that "it" had no visible source of propulsion... we can jump to "god of the gaps" kind of explanation or just say "hmmmm - very interesting". ... or follow the money or power."
Steinfeld is flat out wrong about Fravor being the one who took any of the videos. The Gimbal and Go Fast vids were taken more than a decade after Fravor's encounter.
I think Michael Shermer displayed some extraordinary patience with fake Deepak here... He tried hard to give credit for anything he could but the other guy is really not a skeptic...
Surprise Michael lends Credence to the hard problem of consciousness! Usually he says that we're natural Duelists, but all the evidence is in favor of naturalism! Even though we instinctually think in terms of mind and body, all the evidence says that everything in the universe is made up of the same physical stuff Anyway I don't think there's any hard problem of consciousness. It can be difficult to conceptualize consciousness. But it can be difficult to conceptualize mathematics, calculus, music theory, engineering, lots of things are conceptually difficult, physics!!! That doesn't mean that we don't have tons of evidence that humans are just really complex organisms and organisms are made up of atoms
It sounds like it is more likely that he had train or or other experience . When I listen to him I immediately wonder if he is sane , stable or just a fantasist . He just rambles. Most of the things about backward engineering can be disproven. . He sounds unstable and delusional . This borders more on mysticism and impulse . Like religion we tend to fantasize to get away from our mundane life abs explain the unknown . I am sure this gentleman believes sincerely , but seems searching for explanation without real science or evidence. He seems like a very nice and kind person , but this is all speculation !!
Ah snap. Next Shermer will be interviewing Hat Man experiencers. I'll tell you what. I've seen a Hat Man and I've seen an orb and I'm not half as crazy as some of the guests Shermer has had on over the years. History is always the ultimate judge.
You can't be a good skeptic if you only talk to yourself and/or to others who agree with you. Perhaps your public education has failed you in understanding this.
@@spec24 Public education has completely failed you. Some stranger on the internet says something outside your comprehension and you immediately turn to insults. If you had ever participated in a true forensics program you would know coming out from the word go insulting your opponent causes you to immediately lose your case.
Not meaning to pull rank, but by their birth-years I was already into whatever film or bit of written word there was on the subject that was available to me in the library in the 50s. And every new book would repeat many of the same stories, reinforcing beliefs, but never digging very deeply into the stories' origins. They certainly had me convinced. Long story short, I think Alan is a sweet yet rather innocent guy who can't (to use one example) see through the Corso "testimony" as a steaming pile of nonsense. But, I appreciate his humanism. Sedona, eh? Wow.
So much confabulation! Fravor didn't say nor did his group, say anything about "Fleet of them" that was from a video taken on the east cost a decade later "gimbal" footage.
Shermer please have Dr Edwin C May on, Program Director of StarGate Remote Viewing Program. He is a staunch atheist, Naturalist and Physicist and spends his interviews defending Naturalism and is most critical towards his own paraphycology peers ,culture thier Methodology and thier anti-material mentalities . Yet he claims a model found for Precognition that correlates with Entropy, and claims some of his best discoveries are still classified top secret.
Kudos to you Michael ! I have most of your books and have been following your great work ! I love how balanced calm and logical non combative and rational but always so kind and accommodating and friendly ! Great job ! Thank you ! Take a look at thunderfoots analysis on RUclips also #thunderf00t
@Ariel Lazarus Yup. You’re 100% correct in your reasoning. Thank you for the response. I grew up listening to Art Bell, and I want to believe, and the recent videos confirmed by the Pentagon confirm that there are strange anomalies/phenomenon appearing in our skies. Many people have witnessed them, and that has been documented for many decades now.
I wish i could tell my sleep paralysis stories which i swear were very real, and get away with calling my self a skeptic. Personal experience and eye witness testimony is a very low bar for the kind of claims this guy is making. Just saying!
I hate sleep paralysis. I get it sometimes, and it is freaky. I can easily see how someone of a certain mindset could imagine being abducted, or pretty much anything.
big difference between conspiracy and conspiracy theory. Conspiracies happen all the time. As far as conspiracy theories, plenty of those have turned out to be true. A recent and popular one that hasn't been resolved yet but has lost the "conspiracy theory" stigma is the SARS-CoV2 lab leak. It no longer has that label, but most major media outlets and tons of scientists were calling it such a year ago.
People used to say McCarthy and his followers Conspiracy Nut Cassese because of their insistence that the commies were infiltrating the US media the film industry. After the "Wall" came down the Russians admitted they actually were.
I have to come clean. I am a time traveling reptilian alien from an alternate universe. I have come to your planet to discredit alien conspiracies because, I was ordered to by the Lizard Emperor. I can’t live this lie anymore and Evils didn’t die, he went back to our universe. Also he really doesn’t like shitty impersonators, that really gets under his scales.
Mr Shermer is assuming that earth is the highest authority and that earthlings have the highest development and he is assuming those from other worlds have to somehow be better than humans, would that be correct? Mr Shermer is assuming that those from other worlds takes the time to come to earth on the way earthlings travel, would that be correct? Mr Shermer do you know what you are? Do you know who you are? Do you know where you come from? Do you know how earthlings came to earth? Do you know what happens to you when you take your last breath on this earth? Going back to you know who and what you are? Do you know about this Roswell video? ruclips.net/video/AFk8qKO-Z50/видео.html
So . . . Michael is a part of Forever. What does that mean ? Why would anyone say that, and how could they say it (twice) with such conviction ? How does anyone take Alan Steinfeld serious when he bubbles statements like that out ? Of course that wasn't the only thing he spewed out Deepak-style. He talks like a fool and believes with Kindergarten mentality. Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+ does not equal evidence.
Oh look, another podcast that's a 2-hour commercial for a book. Are there any podcasts today that aren't just advertising vehicles for the publishing industry? They've all been turned into 2-hour ads for books (and ones that aren't even that interesting.)
@@KirillBenIgor Remember when you were young, and we all disliked TV commercials? And then they started lengthening the amount of commercials there were relative to the show time? Well now you're sitting through a pure commercial, and it's two hours long, because podcasts have been hijacked by the publishing industry. Podcasts were better when they were genuine conversation, exploring a topic purely for the sake of the discussion and exploration. Not when they're just another back-door way to sell us something (on an internet that's already overrun by ads). Not to mention so many of these book-pitch podcast convos just aren't that good or interesting. I noticed a while ago that I just wasn't enjoying podcasts as much as I used to. And then I realized why.
@@andybaldman Good and coherent answer from you. The problem is that most of these podcast guests have something to sell always. If it's not a book it's infomercial how bad Islam is or how bad some other ideology is etc. Fighters promote future fights and build their brand, everybody's got coffee or hot sauce . But i hear you...
@@hyperspacejester7377 Turned out I was right! With a book on why aliens are visiting us with a forward from Deepak Chopra, how could this have been anything else?
@@MexAm120902 Have you watched the interview? Michael Shermer doesn't believe UAPs are aliens. Just because you rub shoulders with people doesn't mean you believe what they believe.
I don't know...Big fan of this channel...However this old, pleasant hippie lost me after that distant viewing crap...or anything else for that matter...Its like Shermer talking to an overly imaginative child...
Hahaha ! you can tell he was and is still overly imaginative to point his teacher noted that he was getting carried away. Perhaps Dr. Shermer is just being polite, but i feel he needed to have pushed back a lot more on all his arguments and the loose use of the word "Skeptic"
What I learnt from this interview: Ufologists have a very low level of credulity, yet at the same time are too smart to believe in flat earth or creationism.
I feel like I'm at Disneyland, on some slow moving floating ride aloft of this guy's stream of consciousness. It is weird and a bit creepy, somewhat goofy, but seemingly harmless.
This is so unbearably cringe I can't even watch it all. Michael should have stopped him at 00:45 seconds on his first completely false statement that he or anyone has evidence. There is no evidence. Get off my podcast... grifter.
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This is excruciating to watch. Dr. Shermer is a sage for enduring this with such grace.
oh its completely on purpose. this week Jacques Vallée ( a astronomer , internet pioneer & computer scientist ) published a book about Ufos.
but shermer chose to have this guy on. completely on purpose
Oh, come on have a little fun once in a while.
@@Arctic-X yes, it's surely a staged video being a part of international conspiracy
@@uchicha666 im obviously not saying its staged you dimwit. he could have interviewed Jacques Vallée a actual scientist. but this guy talks all the crazy woo woo nonsense that fits shermers perception of ufology as bat shit crazy and shermer went with the lowest denominator.
its like having a show on Quantum field theory and interviewing Bill Nye with his baking soda & vinegar.
@@Arctic-X Why would you assume that? Did you see Vallee on Rogan? What a terrible interview..
Alan this interview is incredible and you are an incredible individual, the more you speak on your interest the more interest I have in your speaking. keep up the good work, let's pray you get that award for your literary effort, " Making Contact."
Thanks Baba
"Maybe the atomic bomb ripped a hole in the space-time continuum."
- I'm done. LMAO
Exactly when I decided to check the comments to see wtf is going on here! :D
But, what if...
@@qruzado I was a skeptic about aliens until the military admitted that unidentified vehicles exist. What?
John Blaze, that alone tells you how full of fuckery the guy is. Michael has the patience of King Salomon.
Poor Shermer. You can almost sense him straining to keep a straight face and have a serious discussion. I can see why this guy would be a good friend of Chopra; it is harder to figure out why Shermer would be. They must have found common ground on something or other...
I'm an electrical engineer with a background in semiconductor device design (VLSI/ASIC logic designer). The idea that a society without a knowledge of the physics and engineering of semiconductors and chip manufacturing and design could reverse engineer such devices is preposterous in the extreme!!!! You should have someone on who knows about large scale semiconductor devices to talk about how hard it would be to reverse engineer such a thing without knowledge of the physics and operation and without scanning electron microscopes and advanced chemistry, along with advanced digital design techniques and powerful computers.
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Lots of respect to Michael for this one. I was shaking my head so much in disbelief during this interview I threw out my neck.
The title was very interesting.
Yeah, this guy is far out. This sort of stuff bothers me less than the guest he had on who wants religion taught in schools, though.
*Alan Steinfeld:* "I'm a skeptic just like you..." 👽👽👽
*Inigo Montoya:* "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." 🤺🤺🤺
but Shermer not Montoya sees him and treats him much different than you and many skeptics.Loeb and Kaku both are far beyond this "mentality" as well.Funny,some of the top names in science NOT acting like well...the average science enthusiast with their much more limited knowledge base,perspective and experiences.Skeptic....you keep using that word...
I agree! It would be like Michael Shermer calling himself a new age thinker. His guests here is a very imaginative and creative thinker who admits very openly to being a fan of Science Fiction and loving the idea of more. In no way does he come across as someone who is skeptical or who demands a high degree of evidence for his belief systems or just ideas that he likes to say might be true
Kudos to Michael for being *so* gracious in the face of so much wibble.
Dr. shermer,I always considered you a closed minded debunker,but after this show,I'm willing to reconsider.I saw a flying saucer in1974,with five other people.It was large,silent,and had no visible means of support.It looked metallic,and had lots of lights around itThe whole experience lasted approx half an hour.It was in our sight for a good twenty minutes.Inhave been an aircraft buff since I was a small child.I could identify everything the US military flew.In Savannnah in the 1960 s,and 1970 s,you could see every thing the military flew. Thank you for the video,and the presentation
Wow that was wild. I love Steinfeld's passion for his subject, genuine enthusiasm and so on, but I interpret his story as offering a case study in how espoused skepticism and exploration of subjects can gradually morph into dogmatically held but illusory beliefs even though one still thinks (incorrectly) they're a 'skeptic' and they still adopt and portray such an identity.
Couldn't have put it any better. It's a good reminder of how fallible we all are
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I think he's simply a media wackadoodle. None of his arguments make sense.
So Steinfeld had some weird experiences as a youth and then went on a lifelong journey of confirmation seeking for his preconceived notions. Steinfeld offers nothing truly substantive here - just lots of woo, anecdotes, and personal incredulity. That being said, I love Shermer's podcasts and this was entertaining for what it was.
Yes I always taught my students to identify are we reacting to emotions , environmental conditions or a process / science !!
The difference between a skeptic and a true-believer who claims others should "have an open mind" is that it is the true-believer who actually has a closed mind as absolutely zero evidence brought to bear against their belief will alter their opinion. A skeptic, however, will easily and happily change his mind once sufficient evidence is produced. However, I've noticed a great deal of supposed "skeptics" who fall precariously into the "true-believer" category nowadays.
Shermer never mentioned that the tic tax and other UAP’s were also locked on radar. It can’t be the camera, they were also looking at them. Reports are they saw them every day in air space for years.
He looks ten years older than Shermer at least.
Well to be fair he doesn’t have the same lighting advantage
How can we believe someone who talks about Uri Geller remote viewing when he was a magician who performed tricks..
You're a skeptic until you experience it yourself, and then you become a believer. Fortunately, I am in the latter group, and it's all so amazing, and puts life at a different level, what's considered reality completely changes. We're all one with the universe/ global life/ dimensions / everything, separation and duality are myths, and dont exist, and it's all very wonderful. Thank you always for great discussions in this topic - love it !!
Big respect for Michael Shermer doe to his openness. What he dose is really really important
I wish I had the same childlike "gullibleism" as steinfeld. But he's way too far away from the real world to take seriously. But he seems like a lovely guy. But way to gullible. Michael must have held back a lot for this one. Hats off to that😊
This is such a fascinating conversation! Glad to know Shermer is open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life.
That was fun; Star trek was the first show I was able to stay up late to watch. Right after Wild Kingdom. I still remember the jingle from the commercials in between for mutual of Omaha insurance. Good times.
You got to interview Rupert Sheldrake soon.
@@MexAm120902 Just wild Kingdom. It’s what we watched in conjunction with Star Trek. And I’m not sure if it’s the same night, but if my parents Drink an extra few glasses of wine, I was allowed to stay up and watch ‘love American style’ & ‘ The love boat’..... Can’t believe they let me watch those shows when I was like seven years old! LOL. .. but I suppose those are relatively innocent Compared to what kids are watching these days.
I think it would be far more interesting for Michael Shermer to interview the sober former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Christopher Mellon for his position on Unidentified Ariel Phenomena, rather than the flaky though charming Alan Steinfeld.
Yeah, let's get some of the AATIP folks and some of the Navy pilots who followed and filmed the "tic-tacs"
The woo woo meter is off the dial. I can’t be anymore polite than that.
oh its completely on purpose. this week Jacques Vallée ( a astronomer , internet pioneer & computer scientist ) published a book about Ufos.
but shermer chose to have this guy on. completely on purpose
ok... i have to ask, wth is the "woo woo meter"?
@@Arctic-X Jacques Vallee, the guy hs has EXOTIC MATERIALS!!!! GTFOH with that BS
Sam Harris interview on UFOs (5/20/21):
ruclips.net/video/u3Mqvex6tIE/видео.html
I'm sorry to say, but Shermer is guilty of strawmanning the debate concerning the veracity of claims pertaining to UAPs.The skeptic dictum of "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" has been met on multiple occasions, particularly with the USS Nimitz incident and the recovery of alloys that appear to be irreplicable. I'm a huge fan of the show but I feel that Michael is lacking in integrity where this subject is concerned. Why does he only speak to loonies like that guy? Why doesn't he speak to solid people like Commander Fravor, Christopher Mellon, Jacques Vallée or the then Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid? It pains me to say this, but I feel that he's acting in bad faith. I didn't believe in the phenomenon before, but the recent stuff that's come out is truly mind blowing and from the actual US government.
What are the (military) UAP videos evidence of?
@@MrFloppyHare Thanks for your reply :) Well, that's the question, isn't it? My problem with Shermer's approach is that he deems inferences to the best explanation and putting forth possible scenarios as legitimate in other domains of research, but when it comes to UAPs, this principle is characterised as being unscientific. Speculation is not allowed on this subject whereas it is encouraged in others (this applies to every single thing we 'know', except for mathematical formulas, as they're the only proveable things in the world).
All I know is that if these are hoaxes, the steps taken to create them would not only involve breaking the laws of physics, but a major conspiracy (thus, making a conspiracy theorist out of the skeptic; consider that!).
I would refer you both to Hume's 'On Miracles' and Occam's razor when considering this. Best regards, Tom.
Such a fun conversation Mike. We need more of this in the world right now. Thanks!
The first time humans looked up to the sky they've been seeing UFO's. Nothing new.
Thanks for a very great show.From someone who adheres to something that some call Spirit Science(or similar) i am glad to hear your version of what you coined Sciencetuality.Somehow that term makes total sense.And Alan Steinfeld was great on his own and your cooperation and dialogue together was truly admirable.Hello from the other end of SoCal,Inland Empire.See you all in a month or so after the UAPTF report.
Here's a couple of RUclips channels who debunk the recent UFO videos: ruclips.net/user/MickWest
ruclips.net/user/Thunderf00t
Also in the book "A Thousand Brains" Jeff Hawkins makes a strong case that we have only had the capability for the past 100 years out of 3.5 Billion years of Earth's existence so there needs to be a new term in Drake's equation.
32mins in, the woo woo meter blowup at remote viewing. Tho I’m highly enjoying this episode.
Mysterious vehicles flying through the skies that maneuver is such a way that defies our current understanding of physics have been confirmed by the government and the military. From this fact you can deduce only one of two possibilities:
1. The flying vehicles are top secret Russian, Chinese, American, or tech created by Elon Musk that is so advanced we can't begin to comprehend how it works.
2. The tech is powered by interplanetary or extradimensional beings visiting Earth.
You are very pompous in your confidence that science has everything figured out and that there is nothing left to discover. The only one promoting "woo woo" seems to be you as you aren't being rational at all.
@@christopher3556 who in this thread is saying he has everything figured out and that there's nothing left to discover? Are you, perhaps, replying to a completely different comment on a completely different channel, and just happen to be simultaneously VIEWING this video... ya know, remotely?
@@jeffmoore4940 That's how I would characterize the attitude of the majority of the people in this comment section. There's unnecessary stigma and prejudice towards ufologists and people who are asking important questions to figure out what these things actually are and why they are here. There's a difference between a closed-minded skeptic and an open-minded skeptic. The so called "rationalists" in this comment section are the closed-minded skeptics that hold society back and never question their own beliefs.
@@christopher3556 Hi Christopher how are you? At a guess I don’t believe you are a subscriber or regular viewer of Dr.Shermer’s channel. You seem very invested in there having to be aliens, not just their existence but that aliens are here on Earth now.
I really enjoy thinking about what could be possible or even what might never be possible. Sometimes I have to be careful to make sure that I’m not investing my character, identity, or beliefs in fantas. It’s ok to have wild thoughts and ideas but be careful to not let those thoughts and ideas become beliefs, and beliefs used to form our identity.
Try a thought experiment if you will; imagine your life and who you are. Then imagine you definitively knew aliens don’t exist. Notice how you feel, if you have feelings of happiness or depression or anxiety. If imaging that aliens really don’t exist causes you any negative feelings, you need to be strong and ask “why”.
Be well Christopher.
@@boldandthebeautifulgimbal2881 I am saying we should push back on our own beliefs more often and use Socratic method. I offered two propositions, one of which included the existence of aliens. Your guess is wrong btw, I've listened to a number of Shermer's podcasts. He seems to attract people with cult-like thinking who get angry whenever he invites a guest that has a viewpoint differing too far from their own. It isn't a fantastical belief (or thought) to say UAPs are alien tech. Matter of fact, it is a rational, logical conclusion.
It's not clear how a consensus on a definition of exactly what a sceptic might be could be arrived at. One thing is for sure though, Steinfeld ain't a sceptic. But of course he makes a ridiculous claim to be one.
The following excerpt is taken from: The Comanches: Lords of the South Plains by Ernest Wallace & E. Adamson Hoebel (1952 / softcover edition)
p. 198
Although the Thunderbird myth was common to most Plains Indians, the Comanches have given it variation. They had evidence other than thunder and rain of the existence of a great bird. They told of a spot on the upper Red River where the grass remained permanently burned off over a space having the shape of a huge bird with outspread wings. They claimed that the Thunderbird once alighted there. A hunter shot and wounded a large bird which fell to the ground, but because of its large size, he was afraid to go close enough to kill it. He returned to camp for help. When his party approached the ravine where the bird had fallen, they heard thunder and were blinded by terrific flashes of lightning coming from the ravine. While attempting to approach nearer, one of the hunters was struck dead by a flash. Realizing that their victim was the Thunderbird, the rest became frightened and fled back to camp. To me, this has a very strong UFO theme but the authors never made the connection, at least not in the text. Perhaps -- assuming the idea even occurred to them -- they thought they'd be laughed at if they stated it. Are we being visited by aliens from other worlds? I don't know. I am a skeptic and an atheist. Having said that, I have had some extremely strange experiences in my life. I will state one story here (there are others): Back in the late 80s I had a girlfriend (a few years ago I found out she passed away from cancer in 2010). One day I found out that she had an interest in Ouija boards (yes, a stupid game made in a factory... what kind of powers could such a game have? Well, read on). We had one in my house, a birthday gift from many years ago that had pretty much been kept on a top-closet shelf and all but forgotten about. Again, this was in the late 80s before the Internet and Google Maps. We asked the board if anyone was out there to make contact with. Unbelievably, the board responded (the planchette moved) and spelled out that the person we were talking to was a warlock (not a spirit, but a living male witch). We asked for its location. It spelled out a specific address, which if it existed, would be about 15-20 minutes from my girlfriend's house. We figured, What the heck, let's go for a drive and see if it is a real place (it would have been so much easier if we had the Internet back then). Well, the house existed. When we got there, we could not believe that the address was real, but neither of us was willing to get out of the car and knock on the door -- looking back, I wish we had. We sat there for a little while just looking. It was so strange... After all, what were the odds that such an address would turn out to be real? When we got back to her place and sat down with the board again, the first thing it spelled out was, "I saw you outside my window." This is not a joke. This happened. My girlfriend got very scared (freaked out would be more accurate) and didn't want to play anymore. I did not move the planchette. My girlfriend did not move it. Yes, it's just my word. I know it happened. I will never be able to explain this event. I still have the board... stored in the top shelf of my bedroom closet (but not the same house from my childhood). I have not opened the box in many, many years.
Science cannot be : could it , should it , maybe this maybe that ??? Also I always say that we can not consider every possibility but must identify what it is the most likely and most fact based process and observable and testable !!
Alan, you are only on the 'edge' because you moved the edge a long way already into crazy town. You can claim you are a skeptic but you are not.
Congratulations Micheal. Watched a few of these recently; very interesting guests, subject matter plus you make a great host etc
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Queue Ozzy Osborne “crazy train” for theme music !!
I'm from Yelm WA and parents go to JZ Knights "school" , stepdad was 2nd in command. I'd love to expose them on Michael's podcast one day.
1956? I'm skeptical of that right off the bat.
Dr. Shermer needs to have a conversation with that guy from Ancient Aliens with the crazy hair on his podcast
@TheUnmaskedMagician That would be fun, but I would rather watch him take apart the illustrious money man himself, Dr Steven Greer!
@@aakar88 Steven Greer is like a hardcore ultra stubborn pornstar. haha. He needs a guy like Sam Harris to demolish his UFO religion.
Thank you Dr. Shermer for this video. I wanted to bale out at remote viewing but your patience in the face of pseudoscience and a lack of critical thinking skills is something to be studied.
One I'm blown away a guys writes a book about ufos and doesn't know who Mick is... and two,.. damn it Michael!... you butchered Micks analysis by confabulated it from 2 different videos.
The speeds and accelerations reported by the Navy are way too extreme to be "terrestrial". And given that "it" had no visible source of propulsion... we can jump to "god of the gaps" kind of explanation or just say "hmmmm - very interesting". ... or follow the money or power."
Or just optical illusions or atmospheric phenomena.
Steinfeld is flat out wrong about Fravor being the one who took any of the videos. The Gimbal and Go Fast vids were taken more than a decade after Fravor's encounter.
These UFO people are insufferable.
Yea. No wonder deepak and this guy are buddies
I think Michael Shermer displayed some extraordinary patience with fake Deepak here... He tried hard to give credit for anything he could but the other guy is really not a skeptic...
Michael! I'd love to see you chat with Whitley Strieber.
Alan Steinfeld is the type of guy to be appointed as science advisor to the Trump government.
Surprise Michael lends Credence to the hard problem of consciousness! Usually he says that we're natural Duelists, but all the evidence is in favor of naturalism! Even though we instinctually think in terms of mind and body, all the evidence says that everything in the universe is made up of the same physical stuff
Anyway I don't think there's any hard problem of consciousness. It can be difficult to conceptualize consciousness. But it can be difficult to conceptualize mathematics, calculus, music theory, engineering, lots of things are conceptually difficult, physics!!! That doesn't mean that we don't have tons of evidence that humans are just really complex organisms and organisms are made up of atoms
Michael, you need a “skip ad” button.
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10 minutes and my mind is drifting off.not a good sign..
It sounds like it is more likely that he had train or or other experience . When I listen to him I immediately wonder if he is sane , stable or just a fantasist . He just rambles. Most of the things about backward engineering can be disproven. . He sounds unstable and delusional . This borders more on mysticism and impulse . Like religion we tend to fantasize to get away from our mundane life abs explain the unknown . I am sure this gentleman believes sincerely , but seems searching for explanation without real science or evidence. He seems like a very nice and kind person , but this is all speculation !!
Ah snap. Next Shermer will be interviewing Hat Man experiencers. I'll tell you what. I've seen a Hat Man and I've seen an orb and I'm not half as crazy as some of the guests Shermer has had on over the years. History is always the ultimate judge.
You can't be a good skeptic if you only talk to yourself and/or to others who agree with you. Perhaps your public education has failed you in understanding this.
@@spec24 agreed. I thought this was alot of fun
@@spec24 Public education has completely failed you. Some stranger on the internet says something outside your comprehension and you immediately turn to insults. If you had ever participated in a true forensics program you would know coming out from the word go insulting your opponent causes you to immediately lose your case.
What the hell is a hat man??????
Not meaning to pull rank, but by their birth-years I was already into whatever film or bit of written word there was on the subject that was available to me in the library in the 50s. And every new book would repeat many of the same stories, reinforcing beliefs, but never digging very deeply into the stories' origins. They certainly had me convinced. Long story short, I think Alan is a sweet yet rather innocent guy who can't (to use one example) see through the Corso "testimony" as a steaming pile of nonsense. But, I appreciate his humanism. Sedona, eh? Wow.
So much confabulation! Fravor didn't say nor did his group, say anything about "Fleet of them" that was from a video taken on the east cost a decade later "gimbal" footage.
I want to believe!
Thank you, Michael another great video.
This guy is in the Twilight zone
Toooo much woowoo for me.
Woo woo for who?
Shermer please have Dr Edwin C May on, Program Director of StarGate Remote Viewing Program. He is a staunch atheist, Naturalist and Physicist and spends his interviews defending Naturalism and is most critical towards his own paraphycology peers ,culture thier Methodology and thier anti-material mentalities
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Yet he claims a model found for Precognition that correlates with Entropy, and claims some of his best discoveries are still classified top secret.
Kudos to you Michael ! I have most of your books and have been following your great work !
I love how balanced calm and logical non combative and rational but always so kind and accommodating and friendly ! Great job !
Thank you !
Take a look at thunderfoots analysis on RUclips also #thunderf00t
What about the chunk of brain Jackie climbed over the back of the car to get?
Good lord, Neither one of you guys has the story straight. Fravor didn't take the video, it was the wso from the second flight that took it.
Woo woo woo woo woo woo woo, someone called an ambulance?
Call it for yourself when the drones land.
Michael, you need to get Klee Irwin on- please!
Re=hashing the same old stuff.
I wonder why most of these sightings happens on USA
Ariel Zimbabwe
It's a global phenomenon. Not just US.
You tube channel: Eric Dubay....video: LEVEL
Shermer! Love you buddy
Entire first 15 minutes proves that UFOlogy is a religion 🤦🏻
@Ariel Lazarus Yup. You’re 100% correct in your reasoning. Thank you for the response. I grew up listening to Art Bell, and I want to believe, and the recent videos confirmed by the Pentagon confirm that there are strange anomalies/phenomenon appearing in our skies. Many people have witnessed them, and that has been documented for many decades now.
Dude believes in Ramtha. You'd be better off gardening.
I wish i could tell my sleep paralysis stories which i swear were very real, and get away with calling my self a skeptic. Personal experience and eye witness testimony is a very low bar for the kind of claims this guy is making. Just saying!
I hate sleep paralysis. I get it sometimes, and it is freaky. I can easily see how someone of a certain mindset could imagine being abducted, or pretty much anything.
This is the only “conspiracy” that has a real possibility of being true.
Definitely has a lot of evidence for it.
big difference between conspiracy and conspiracy theory. Conspiracies happen all the time. As far as conspiracy theories, plenty of those have turned out to be true. A recent and popular one that hasn't been resolved yet but has lost the "conspiracy theory" stigma is the SARS-CoV2 lab leak. It no longer has that label, but most major media outlets and tons of scientists were calling it such a year ago.
How did you determine that?
Shermer and West are now the Conspiracy Nut Casses and I think it's hilarious 😅
People used to say McCarthy and his followers Conspiracy Nut Cassese because of their insistence that the commies were infiltrating the US media the film industry. After the "Wall" came down the Russians admitted they actually were.
Did you actually watch this? He is simply giving the other side a chance to air their views. He doesn't believe it himself.
I have to come clean. I am a time traveling reptilian alien from an alternate universe. I have come to your planet to discredit alien conspiracies because, I was ordered to by the Lizard Emperor. I can’t live this lie anymore and Evils didn’t die, he went back to our universe. Also he really doesn’t like shitty impersonators, that really gets under his scales.
Seems legit
The Space Force may just save our asses.
Or waste a lot of money...
Zechariah 5:1 About Demons & UFO's
There's a reason this channel is called 'Skeptic'.
AS skipping daily meds and this is the outcome. Sad and laughable atthe same time.
Mr Shermer is assuming that earth is the highest authority and that earthlings have the highest development and he is assuming those from other worlds have to somehow be better than humans, would that be correct? Mr Shermer is assuming that those from other worlds takes the time to come to earth on the way earthlings travel, would that be correct?
Mr Shermer do you know what you are? Do you know who you are? Do you know where you come from? Do you know how earthlings came to earth? Do you know what happens to you when you take your last breath on this earth? Going back to you know who and what you are?
Do you know about this Roswell video?
ruclips.net/video/AFk8qKO-Z50/видео.html
Haha he mentioned uri geller...seriously...
An advertisement disguised as entertainment disguised as learning.
Skeptics are just scared it could be true
Why?
@@BrianBattles cause their softer than a wet paper bag
@@chadbaier9752 What does that mean?
So . . . Michael is a part of Forever. What does that mean ? Why would anyone say that, and how could they say it (twice) with such conviction ? How does anyone take Alan Steinfeld serious when he bubbles statements like that out ? Of course that wasn't the only thing he spewed out Deepak-style. He talks like a fool and believes with Kindergarten mentality.
Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+Anecdote+ does not equal evidence.
Hal Puthoff! Let's do this.
Seriously?
Oh look, another podcast that's a 2-hour commercial for a book. Are there any podcasts today that aren't just advertising vehicles for the publishing industry? They've all been turned into 2-hour ads for books (and ones that aren't even that interesting.)
Would you rather him not have written a book and they not mention it at all?
What's wrong with that?
@@FreddyonAcid Yes, I would.
@@KirillBenIgor Remember when you were young, and we all disliked TV commercials? And then they started lengthening the amount of commercials there were relative to the show time? Well now you're sitting through a pure commercial, and it's two hours long, because podcasts have been hijacked by the publishing industry. Podcasts were better when they were genuine conversation, exploring a topic purely for the sake of the discussion and exploration. Not when they're just another back-door way to sell us something (on an internet that's already overrun by ads). Not to mention so many of these book-pitch podcast convos just aren't that good or interesting. I noticed a while ago that I just wasn't enjoying podcasts as much as I used to. And then I realized why.
@@andybaldman Good and coherent answer from you. The problem is that most of these podcast guests have something to sell always. If it's not a book it's infomercial how bad Islam is or how bad some other ideology is etc. Fighters promote future fights and build their brand, everybody's got coffee or hot sauce . But i hear you...
Just going to grab some tin foil, then I'll strap myself in for 2 hours of fun!
Open minded off the mark 😂
@@hyperspacejester7377 Turned out I was right! With a book on why aliens are visiting us with a forward from Deepak Chopra, how could this have been anything else?
@@MexAm120902 Have you watched the interview? Michael Shermer doesn't believe UAPs are aliens. Just because you rub shoulders with people doesn't mean you believe what they believe.
Michael, stop saying "throothes", it's "truths"
i'm a skeptic cos jesus said
I don't know...Big fan of this channel...However this old, pleasant hippie lost me after that distant viewing crap...or anything else for that matter...Its like Shermer talking to an overly imaginative child...
Hahaha ! you can tell he was and is still overly imaginative to point his teacher noted that he was getting carried away. Perhaps Dr. Shermer is just being polite, but i feel he needed to have pushed back a lot more on all his arguments and the loose use of the word "Skeptic"
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What I learnt from this interview:
Ufologists have a very low level of credulity, yet at the same time are too smart to believe in flat earth or creationism.
It hasn’t been 10 years for all of these videos, one was in 2016 I think. Micheal doesn’t even really know about much of what he brings up.
I feel like I'm at Disneyland, on some slow moving floating ride aloft of this guy's stream of consciousness. It is weird and a bit creepy, somewhat goofy, but seemingly harmless.
What in the woo woo is this?!
Michael could get probed and still say “well, it was just me. So we need more probes that I am present for”.
This is so unbearably cringe I can't even watch it all. Michael should have stopped him at 00:45 seconds on his first completely false statement that he or anyone has evidence. There is no evidence. Get off my podcast... grifter.
Yea. No wonder deepak and this guy are buddies
Yea. No wonder deepak and this guy are buddies