Scarlatta's Book is a must on these... good recommendation. I wish I could find a good place (enough space) and had the filming ability to recreate "Ta-Pum".
@@tacticalsip2140 it sounds like your rifle is S marked on the chamber and import marked on the barrel 8x56r. That indicates it was upgraded from the 8x50r to 8x56r and Spitzer so the 8x56 R and RS should work fine. From my own research, they are one in the same and may have slight differences depending on manufacturer. You should see a qualified gunsmith if you think your rifle is unsafe for any reason.
@@BattlefieldCurator Yeah I heard the same thing just the diameter of the bullet is different and thicker to the tip of the round. Thank you I appreciate it, I wasn't able to find a definite answer anywhere else. 👍
The biggest obstacle for me has been the ammunition and reloading components. Ive seen PPU and SB boxes of 20 for $50 and up and have never seen the proper projectiles anywhere. Like you said they can be frustrating but they are incredibly rewarding once you get them shooting again
ammo depends so extremely on where you live. Cause i live in austria and its really easy to get. Pricepoint for surplus is about what you would pay for any cheap .308. Like, id get 150 rounds surplus for 100 to 120 euros within a one hour drive. (i should also mention your causual cheapo .308 is about 60cent to one euro here, ammo in general isnt exactly cheap)
@@Helghastdude scho a für an m1895er steyr oda? Die munition is schwierig weis hoid nimma vü ondas gibt in 8x56r, is ehrlich gsag a wunda doss ppu die überhaups no herstellt... und oide surplus munition is hoid zustand oiwei so a sachn. Und außer ppu kenn i frische a nixn. Owa i hun zwoa drei umbauten auf 8x57IRS gsechn. Vielleicht mal beim Büma nachfragen ob der da wos tua ku oder beim Waffenhändler ob der wos importiern kunnat.
At one time I had 5 of the converted carbines 1 true carbine 1 full-size and one 95/34 in 8mm. It was kind of a big rabbit hole with no end. Even among versions there is little differences like on the converted carbines most had a straight piling hook but some the hook is off set just a little and that’s the only difference . I gave up on them really. It’s like trying to collect Winchesters.
I have an 1888 wedge locker in 8x50r. I figured out you can fire standard brass case (preferably boxer primed) 7,62x54r ammo and it will fire form the brass to be the right case. Dont expect to hit much though.
Got an M95 Carbine conversion from a long gun, in 56R, and a bunch of the German ammo. Shot it last Winter, very stout. To note, I knew a RCAF veteren, POW in Germany.... he noted the gaurds had M95s.
This rifle is still venerated here in Bulgaria. A small correction: the markings on the rear sight are actually Schritten (steps), not meters. One step equals 0.75 m, meaning shortest aiming distance is actually 225 m (0.75 x 300)
I lucked out on a m95 Rifle version for an incredible price. I also lucked out on the Hornady 8x56 ammo. Fun rifle to shoot. Took me a while to find the bayonets for the carbine and rifle but life achievement goals complete after that.
I inherited two. They each have a different rear sight, and one of them has a split stock (not in any danger of splitting while being fired), but both are in good enough shape to shoot. I only have a couple of strip clips, so loading them is a bit tedious. Interesting weapons they are.
Awesome! I think i have found some stripper clips on parts websites like Apex, Liberty Tree, Numrich, or Sarco (I dont remember which one i last saw them on) but they were kinda pricey
@@BattlefieldCurator I found some more clips down in the cases of ammo which came with each rifle. They were loaded with five rounds each of 7.62 X 54R. The 8 X 56 fits the same strips. Now I have 31 rounds of 7.62 X 54R which I have no rifle for. I also have a 20 round box of 300 Savage and no gun to shoot it. I need to either buy two more rifles or sell the excess ammo. I'm leaning in favor of the rifles.
I just got a steyr m.95.m which I believe was converted to 8mm (8x57) with no clip ejection port on the bottom. It will not hold any rounds in the internal. Simply just ejects all the round as soon as it gets put in.
Had to accraglass several of my M1895 carbines, as the inletting was poor and the wood had shrunk over the years. Since my stuzten never had the rear sight modified for the shorter barrel, I had to have a little MIG weld added to the front sight and then file down as needed at the range. She shoots great now at 100 yards using milsurp 8x56R. My Schmidt Rubin K-31 carbine and M1911 are still MUCH more accurate at 100 yards shooting the stock Swiss GP-11 7.5 ammo. My dollars worth-John in Texas
My M95 is stamped on the receiver OEWG STYER , it has a stylized S stamped on the barrel . The barrel , receiver , bolt & butt stock numbers are non matching , the butt stock number is on the left side . It is under slung sling mounts no sling swivel by the trigger . The rear sight is only numbered on one side . It is import marked on the front of the barrel and also stamped M95/34 Austria
@@BattlefieldCurator hey Dan, I found my 1895/30 long rifle!!!! Mine was made by steyer and has a 1916 eagle date on the barrel, the barrels got some pitting but other then that’s it’s awesome, had to clean the cosmoline out myself
@@BattlefieldCurator yeah, local shop traded some other firearms for it and a 1942 lithgow no1 mk3 I was going to get a mas 38 or mas 49-56 but he had no ammo for them
bought one last sunday at a gun show, and test shooting it the same day at 25m i already wondered "damn this thing shoots way too high" then i noticed the small "5" xD
One of the things that i thought frustrating was the bore diameter. I had thought 8x50s were .321 cuz thats what size the early bullets were and wiki says the diameter is .321. I guess both 8x50 and 8x56 use .330 bullets but sumtimes .standard 8mm (.323) shoot good. Im still not 100% sure and ive only shot .330 bullets in my 8x56. I think my 8x50 shoots good with 323 but it has a really good bore on it.
@@BattlefieldCurator ah ok. Thats pretty cool ill have to check him out. With a name like that that sounds like he reloads and hunts and stuff lol. I really like reloading actually. You kinda have to for some calibers. U can load 8x50 with 7.62 x 54r or 8x56 cases and an 8mm lebel die. for Mil surps with worn out barrels tho u might need to get flat based bullets. and they can be hard to get so casting ur own is a good route. I have 3 mil surps that can only shoot flat based bullets. If i dont they will tumble or have worse accuracy. Nothing is worse than shooting a target in seein a giant bullet shaped hole pop up a foot away from where u were aiming lol
@@BattlefieldCurator I reload for 8x50R and 8x56RR..I use both PPU .330 208gr FMJs and .330 Cast bullets. I use brass 54R to make 8x50R cases. The bores and grooves vary in size but are usually between .329-.335" depending on how worn out they are. 8x50R was the first cartridge I learned to reload for. I have a few 88/90s, M95 longs, Stutzens and M95M myself. In various calibers. It is definitely a subject that requires research and patience..which some collectors don't have the time for!
If youd like to know how i reload 8x50 with the 8mm lebel die. I prefer to trim the case a lil longer than it will be after fireforming. I then load it with a .323 or .330 bullet and shoot it with 36 grains of IMR 3031. The 8x50 dies will be available in august of 2022
@@Adirondneck Thanks i appreciate that info. The reason i thought that 8x50s used .323 bullets is cuz the wiki says .321 and my 8x50 had a really nice bore. My 8x56 had a really worn bore so it looked bigger. I think my 8x50 shoots ok with .323 bullets but once i get my hardball I can cast some .330s of my own. Ive never made my own bullets only pure lead musketballs. I have only .323 gas checks but i heard they do work. I also got a .311 die and i heard they can even work for them as well. Ofc i ahve the sizers
@@BattlefieldCuratorThere was an Importer who was bringing them in from Greece to Canada, Demilling them by cutting a slot in the Barrel after the Chamber… and then bringing them across the Border to sell as deactivated Antique Wall Hangers and Lamp Kits. I’m searching for a Barrel for it. It has Greek Carvings on the Stock
I made a stock for my m95m out of another styre stock I found on Ebay because I wanted a bayonet lug on it. but the previous owner ruined the original stock because it wasn't sporting enough. So I did my best to right a wrong and now just needs a handguard and sling band and it will be the first gun I've un sporterized/restore to former glory. By the way if anyone knows where I can find stuff like original stock dimensions including hand garde dimensions/modelfor this thing. I would be most grateful.
@@BattlefieldCurator especially when the gun is a small batch compared to the m1 garand or lee Enfield or even the lebel. But yes satisfying nonetheless
And before the m95 you have a whole lot too. 1886, 1886/90, 1888, 1888/90, 1888/95, 1890, 1890/95 I saw once, etc…With the m95, you also have a lot of turn down bolt styles that went to asia and other countries
I've got three of them, one is basically a smooth bore, one is mint and one has a Douglas xx air gauged barrel in .30 cal that shoots 7.62 x54r, has a PU scope and loads clips from the bottom. No Waffenampts on any of them. P.S. They're all or were Stutzen rifles.
Bullets cases and dies are available. Loading data is however not so easy. I had one once that had a giganto waffenampt in the stock back in the day. Of course it seemed spurious and apparently was. The one I got now is probably not really historical either, depending on how many times they reworked them before export. They say the Bulgarians did their mods in the 30s but I bet they were probably worked or reworked again postwar.
@@BattlefieldCurator yeah, I’minterested in gunsmithing and I know the bolt would lock with 7.62x54r but I’m not sure if the pressure is greater than an 8x56r. If the new round has more pressure than the bolt would probably explode. But yeah I think if you had the money it should be relatively easy to get a new barrel made and may a gunsmith to install it.
Many years ago my grandpa bought an M95 because he thought it looked cool and he hung it over the fireplace. When they moved he hung it over the new fireplace and that was where it was as long as I could remember. My dad said he always remembered it being over both fireplaces too. I recently acquired it because grandpa passed in the 90's and I have a safe, my parents don't. I've been trying to figure out more info about it. The only markings I can see are Styer M.95 on the receiver, there is no S or H marking in front where you showed the S. The sight meter marks are only in the left, I found a couple K marks in various places. Serial number is on the left, reads 9310Q. My best guess is I have an original 8x50 not converted, not cut to carbine. Is there any way to tell if it is 8x50 or 8x56?
@@BattlefieldCurator Super easy. Now I just need to find a brass lol. Since ammo is so rare and grandpa hung the M95 up over the fireplace I figured I would keep the tradition alive and make a wood display case to hang it in my garage. I'm already mentally prepped for probably never firing it. I do have a Mosin Nagant, so I have an idea of the feeling it would be.
I just checked a few websites and there’s not many parts available for those. Maybe network with folks at Gun shows or shops, someone might know someone with a lot of spare parts. Maybe eBay or GB? Good luck!
@@BattlefieldCurator thanks for the response. I did just find a complete bolt assembly on apex today. I believe it to be 8x56r but im going to get a gunsmith to double check for me. Rifle is in very good condition and I picked it up for what I believed to be a great deal.
@@BattlefieldCurator forgot it was a m95m so it’s the yugo 8mm conversion. Explains why the bolt assembly I purchased didn’t work. Know if the firing pin would be interchangeable?
Yes, I have had tried a box of Steinel 8x56mm and it’s pretty good. My friend knows where to get 8x50mm but it’s expensive and the guy that does it takes a long time to process it
I feel your frusteration. I think they pay off in the end. The joy of having a historic rifle, and the (current) ability to take them to the range is most rewarding. I like to think that people that own those rifles are stewards of history.
Had one back in the late 80’s made in Budapest, in 8x56R, only ammo at the time was 1936 that had a lied bang and bright blue flame, most were German army marked.
Making jokes about Mannlicher is what I heard as a second grader. I thought it was dumb then. I am convinced this is proof that some folks start out slow. And then stop. I have three. Two of them seem to Stutzen (the shortened one anyway), both in 8x56mmR. The third is a rifle (longer) I suspect to be in 8x50mmR. It seems to have something stuck in the chamber and I've been distracted about figuring it out. Of the two Stutzens one is proudly marked 'Steyr' over the chamber and the other is marked 'Budapest' (the spelling may be different, I'm going off memory at the moment.) My general impression is Von Mannlicher was a genius in design. (The M95 seems to be the springboard for the Swiss straight pull rifle and the Ross rifle, including some of the basic concepts.) The other impression is that I would NOT like to shoot that 8x56mmR round (in the official loading) very much at a time. The recoil seems to be collective.
I hate having to make my own ammo for it since 8x50r isn’t made anymore. I run it with black powder since I don’t trust 7.62x54r refit 😂. Mine is a carbine stamped W-n 99 and it had the worst stock. Looked like it was used to dig the trenches, probably was by my great grandfather in WW1. It’s a true carbine and it was brought over in the 1920’s when my family moved out of Hungary 🇭🇺. It’s a Steyr M95
Honestly it should be fine, they used them in 8x56, a more powerful round than 7.62x54r, they are strong guns, and military rifles of that time are all over built already.
Thanks, very much appreciated for the content. I was wondering about the different ammo and how to determine which one is correct choice. Is there any measurement tools, like a set of inserts, each one matching the caliber and cartridge dimensions that can be inserted into the chamber to determine the size?
Maybe would have to talk to a gunsmith. I know that they can cast the chamber. You could see how to do it yourself, Brownells has some cerrosafe chamber casting alloy. Good luck 👍
There's only m95 in 8x50, m95/24 in 8 mm mauser and m95/30 in 8x56. Bulgaria just bought them from everyone they never rechambered them. Only Austria and Hungry converted them a big S for steyr and H for hungry.
Well if the rifle is listed for sale ,chambered in 8x50R then where do you go for ammunition? I think these rifles are some of the coolist looking battle rifle i have ever seen? Granted its over 100yrs old and if your lucky enough to get a barrel thatr will at least hit a 10" plate at 100yrds ,anyway, I fear they are going ot just end up as wall hangers, conversation peieces......which i hate! I tell everyone i deal with for Mil-surps and other older guns, that im looking for shooters. I dont care about how pretty it looks although, that is a plus if they were well kept! I can always restock any rifle as most if not "all" old guns have some kind of after market, mil-surp partss,stocks and ammo, at times. My grandfather took two mausers during the war. One was a fully marked Nazi k98k and my cuzzin got that as i wanted the VZ24 my Pop-Pop took off ,what he thought was a conscript solder that has a rifle that had been re-stocked just before the war. Although its one of the rifles that were produced in the 1st year the VZ24 came out in 1926. Most likely its an 8mm Mauser but idk 100% for sure. So some how i have to measure the chamber to be sure it is, 8mm Mauser before ican ever shoot it? Which sux. My others so far in my collection are a No4Mk1 Enfield built in 1943 byCanada by Savage basically. I also have a Nicer then normal Carcano ,strait out of Italy, as i want a 6 rifle collection of WWII Axis/Allied rifles. So far they are the only three i have. I still need an Arisaka, and then the two most costly after that in the Mosan and M1 Garand! :>/ But man do i want a Garand! LOL Cant really make my mind up on buying one of the many floating around the open market or go, threw the CMP program yet? Since im almost 60yrs old i better do it soon!?! LOL I really want more of ,examples of what was used ,during WWII rather then historically correct ones. Because when it boils down to it, i want shooters! I want to get into target shooting and long range as well so.... There are a few other WWII rifles id like but i told my wife i would stick with 6 rifles for this "small" collection. Since 1/2 my rifles she dosnt even know about, i can expand on the collection over time! LOL I just need to flee my blue state for a Red so i can freely use my tools to enjoy my hobby! A state that i can go out in my back yard and shoot at targets, without worry. A place that is still free! Not like my state of N.J. where have ot drive at least 45min to find a public ,free range, or pay at some 15yrd indoor range for an hour of shooting. Its one of the reasons i have a number of rifles and uppers i have not even fired yet, because i refuse to shoot a rifle across the room at an indoor pistol range! :>/ I would have ot own at least 100acres here if i wanted to be able to shoot at targets on my own land! Its quite sad when i think ,that this is America today! :>(
Castos Curios has 8x50mmR for those old M.95’s. I haven’t tried them but they’re really the only source I know currently to find that ammo. If I were in your shoes, I would plan a trip to the CMP Talladega. I would get a hotel in Oxford/Anniston, AL (I usually stay at the Hampton or Home2 Suites) get a rental car for those days, and drive to the CMP South store and/or Talladega Marksmanship Park store and range. That way you’d have a pretty decent amount of options to pick one out of your liking (and make sure you meet the requirements to purchase from the CMP beforehand) you can take it back with you on the plane or I think you can have it shipped back to your house (depending if they can ship it due to your state). I’m sure there are other ways to go about it but that would be how I would do it. I usually go there once a year.
So then i guess im looking for one chambered in 8mm Mauser huh? What model is that one? Any model M95 that shoots something thats still on the, market these days would be very helpful?Please HELP? lol
Had a guy try to sell me one of the fake nazi marked long rifles at a gun show and I told him I would pay only $50 more than the price of the standard m95 that was sitting next to it. He said, “But it’s a real nazi used gun just look at the markings.” I brought up several articles and even places online where you could buy fake Waffenamnts. He looked like I deflated his tires and stole his kid. I told him I would offer $50 more because it was an interesting piece of collecting history but not WWII history. Guy said he’d have to think about it so I went on my way and came back and it was gone. He sold it to some kid who paid $900 for it. At that point I called him a bastard under my breath and walked away.
@@BattlefieldCurator well he made out like a bandit later ngl. The kid I mean. Got a refurbed Mas 36 with 200 rounds of PPU, plus the sling, plus enough clips to go with every round of ammo, plus a whole bag of French milsurp gear, for $250. 🥵 I had just passed by that table and was going to my dad to ask for the money (that I would pay back) and by the time I came back that kid had it slung over his shoulder and all the goodies stuffed under his arm. That kid had to have arrived with like two or three grand in his pocket. Because those weren’t the only guns he bought that day.
The Mannlicher and the Carcano are the poor mans rifles but they work. Exactly what Austria-Hungary and Italy needed then. Are there better designs? Yes. But these systems did their job and soldiers liked them well enough.
You didn't mention what happens when the bolt is removed. It is (almost) impossible to get it back in. If you are not a person who curses, you will be when you try getting the bolt back in.
I need to moce to a state that is more condusive to my 2A rights! So that i may enjoy firearms like most of the people in America!??? Commrad Murphy has swore to shred our Constitutional rights, like o ur 1st and 2nd Amendments and more!!! The main reason im fleeing while i still can! I bet in the near future we re all going ot have to stop at check points to go from state to state! I want to be in a good and free "red" state when that starts up!
The only reason "Mannlicker" is funny, is because y'all only speak gawdz language; which is apparently "Murican". While the Austro-Hungarians had a repeating small calibre, high velocity rifle, the principal arm of the US Military was the Springfield Model 1873. It was a single shot, hand loaded and hammer fired rifle.
Different accent. Mon - lissher does not roll off naturally to a North American speaker and the actual Deutsche pronunciation would be awkward to near impossible for many. When read by a U.S. reader, _Mann_ looks like 'man' with a longer 'n' and _licher,_ having no English language counterpart (that I can think of just now) looks 'close enough' to 'licker', which is also how we pronounce _'liquor',_ which can be added to make the conversation more lively.
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Scarlatta's Book is a must on these... good recommendation. I wish I could find a good place (enough space) and had the filming ability to recreate "Ta-Pum".
I know someone with a few hundred yards… I wonder if that will work 🤔
I misspoke. The lead bullet is sized to 0.331 inches.
That fireball coming out the muzzle, incredible...
PPU and Fiocchi 8x56R ammo are now being made in small quantity's I believe.
Awesome! Yea I need to ge more soon
@@BattlefieldCurator Out of curiosity, can I shoot both R and RS out of my 8x56 Steyr
It says its 8x56r at the end of the barrel and it has the S on the chamber
@@tacticalsip2140 it sounds like your rifle is S marked on the chamber and import marked on the barrel 8x56r. That indicates it was upgraded from the 8x50r to 8x56r and Spitzer so the 8x56 R and RS should work fine. From my own research, they are one in the same and may have slight differences depending on manufacturer. You should see a qualified gunsmith if you think your rifle is unsafe for any reason.
@@BattlefieldCurator Yeah I heard the same thing just the diameter of the bullet is different and thicker to the tip of the round. Thank you I appreciate it, I wasn't able to find a definite answer anywhere else. 👍
Been loving the recent videos, keep it up!
Thank you!
i have a bulgarian-converted M95 rifle (still in the long rifle configuration) that was made in 1917. very interesting rifle!
Nice! Those are somewhat harder to find
@@BattlefieldCurator indeed! got a very nice deal with it, only $400!
The biggest obstacle for me has been the ammunition and reloading components. Ive seen PPU and SB boxes of 20 for $50 and up and have never seen the proper projectiles anywhere. Like you said they can be frustrating but they are incredibly rewarding once you get them shooting again
Reloading with improper projectiles… I feel your frustration!
Rework. 762 Russian.
ammo depends so extremely on where you live. Cause i live in austria and its really easy to get. Pricepoint for surplus is about what you would pay for any cheap .308. Like, id get 150 rounds surplus for 100 to 120 euros within a one hour drive. (i should also mention your causual cheapo .308 is about 60cent to one euro here, ammo in general isnt exactly cheap)
@@derpmaniak7823 you know a shop who sells 8x56R other than the PPU ones in austria?
@@Helghastdude scho a für an m1895er steyr oda? Die munition is schwierig weis hoid nimma vü ondas gibt in 8x56r, is ehrlich gsag a wunda doss ppu die überhaups no herstellt... und oide surplus munition is hoid zustand oiwei so a sachn. Und außer ppu kenn i frische a nixn. Owa i hun zwoa drei umbauten auf 8x57IRS gsechn. Vielleicht mal beim Büma nachfragen ob der da wos tua ku oder beim Waffenhändler ob der wos importiern kunnat.
At one time I had 5 of the converted carbines 1 true carbine 1 full-size and one 95/34 in 8mm. It was kind of a big rabbit hole with no end. Even among versions there is little differences like on the converted carbines most had a straight piling hook but some the hook is off set just a little and that’s the only difference . I gave up on them really. It’s like trying to collect Winchesters.
I have an 1888 wedge locker in 8x50r. I figured out you can fire standard brass case (preferably boxer primed) 7,62x54r ammo and it will fire form the brass to be the right case. Dont expect to hit much though.
That's how I reload for 8x50r myself
sounds wild, but will try that out
Got an M95 Carbine conversion from a long gun, in 56R, and a bunch of the German ammo. Shot it last Winter, very stout. To note, I knew a RCAF veteren, POW in Germany.... he noted the gaurds had M95s.
This rifle is still venerated here in Bulgaria. A small correction: the markings on the rear sight are actually Schritten (steps), not meters. One step equals 0.75 m, meaning shortest aiming distance is actually 225 m (0.75 x 300)
Thanks!
I love these rifles! My favorite bolt action
It is an enjoyable platform to shoot at the range
Many Germans referred to the Mannlicher straight pulls as _Ruck-Zuck._
I lucked out on a m95 Rifle version for an incredible price. I also lucked out on the Hornady 8x56 ammo. Fun rifle to shoot. Took me a while to find the bayonets for the carbine and rifle but life achievement goals complete after that.
Nice!
Do not forget some of the bayonets they made had a Raised front sight, you were supposed to mount these for close in work as well.
I got two M95 long rifles, reloading is fairly easy to do for the 8x50 I did a video over them and also a short hunting video with it also
I’d seen some reloading information online a while back, it didn’t seem too bad. I’ll check out your video, curious to see the hunting video
@@BattlefieldCurator thanks, the hunting one is a short called “Texas Hog hunt”
@@texascastblast5011 cool vid, how satisfying the sound of that M.95!
@@BattlefieldCurator I know, I just love the styer M95 and everything about them
I inherited two. They each have a different rear sight, and one of them has a split stock (not in any danger of splitting while being fired), but both are in good enough shape to shoot. I only have a couple of strip clips, so loading them is a bit tedious. Interesting weapons they are.
Awesome! I think i have found some stripper clips on parts websites like Apex, Liberty Tree, Numrich, or Sarco (I dont remember which one i last saw them on) but they were kinda pricey
@@BattlefieldCurator I found some more clips down in the cases of ammo which came with each rifle. They were loaded with five rounds each of 7.62 X 54R. The 8 X 56 fits the same strips. Now I have 31 rounds of 7.62 X 54R which I have no rifle for. I also have a 20 round box of 300 Savage and no gun to shoot it. I need to either buy two more rifles or sell the excess ammo. I'm leaning in favor of the rifles.
@@oldgandy5355 nice!
I just got a steyr m.95.m which I believe was converted to 8mm (8x57) with no clip ejection port on the bottom. It will not hold any rounds in the internal. Simply just ejects all the round as soon as it gets put in.
Had to accraglass several of my M1895 carbines, as the inletting was poor and the wood had shrunk over the years. Since my stuzten never had the rear sight modified for the shorter barrel, I had to have a little MIG weld added to the front sight and then file down as needed at the range. She shoots great now at 100 yards using milsurp 8x56R. My Schmidt Rubin K-31 carbine and M1911 are still MUCH more accurate at 100 yards shooting the stock Swiss GP-11 7.5 ammo. My dollars worth-John in Texas
Hey John, thanks for your insight!
Just by coincidence i found some years ago an 8x57 rimmed at home. Judging from the engraving its 84 years old, wonder if it would fire?
I bought mine last year and it’s in great condition. Unfortunately after shooting it I got a crack in the wood where the tang is 😢
Minor crack or large crack?
@@BattlefieldCurator a small crack
You can repair cracked stocks, and glass bedding the stock will improve accuracy.
My M95 is stamped on the receiver
OEWG STYER , it has a stylized S stamped on the barrel . The barrel , receiver , bolt & butt stock numbers are non matching , the butt stock number is on the left side . It is under slung sling mounts no sling swivel by the trigger . The rear sight is only numbered on one side . It is import marked on the front of the barrel and also stamped M95/34 Austria
Nice!
Dang! I had no idea these were so varried.
lol yea and this video doesn’t really go to far in depth
I love the m95, only problem is i cant find a long rifle in 8x56r and almost need one
Yes took me while to find the one in the video
They are hard to come by but a lot nicer to shoot
@@BattlefieldCurator hey Dan, I found my 1895/30 long rifle!!!! Mine was made by steyer and has a 1916 eagle date on the barrel, the barrels got some pitting but other then that’s it’s awesome, had to clean the cosmoline out myself
@@joeydussell9407 hey congrats! Where’d you find it? Auction? Local shop?
@@BattlefieldCurator yeah, local shop traded some other firearms for it and a 1942 lithgow no1 mk3 I was going to get a mas 38 or mas 49-56 but he had no ammo for them
I found some 56r ammo for a 1.50 a round but I'll admit the pawnshop I got my rifle from ordered it for me
Ah ok, yea there are places online that have it. And FFL dealers can order from some sources not available to the regular guy at wholesale prices
Any idea what the twist rate is on the M95 Carbine in 8x56r?
bought one last sunday at a gun show, and test shooting it the same day at 25m i already wondered "damn this thing shoots way too high" then i noticed the small "5" xD
Lol
One of the things that i thought frustrating was the bore diameter. I had thought 8x50s were .321 cuz thats what size the early bullets were and wiki says the diameter is .321. I guess both 8x50 and 8x56 use .330 bullets but sumtimes .standard 8mm (.323) shoot good. Im still not 100% sure and ive only shot .330 bullets in my 8x56. I think my 8x50 shoots good with 323 but it has a really good bore on it.
TexasCast&Blast reloads for 8x50, he harvested a hog with his reloads. I’m not into reloading and don’t know anyone that does 8x50 reloads.
@@BattlefieldCurator ah ok. Thats pretty cool ill have to check him out. With a name like that that sounds like he reloads and hunts and stuff lol. I really like reloading actually. You kinda have to for some calibers. U can load 8x50 with 7.62 x 54r or 8x56 cases and an 8mm lebel die. for Mil surps with worn out barrels tho u might need to get flat based bullets. and they can be hard to get so casting ur own is a good route. I have 3 mil surps that can only shoot flat based bullets. If i dont they will tumble or have worse accuracy. Nothing is worse than shooting a target in seein a giant bullet shaped hole pop up a foot away from where u were aiming lol
@@BattlefieldCurator I reload for 8x50R and 8x56RR..I use both PPU .330 208gr FMJs and .330 Cast bullets. I use brass 54R to make 8x50R cases. The bores and grooves vary in size but are usually between .329-.335" depending on how worn out they are. 8x50R was the first cartridge I learned to reload for. I have a few 88/90s, M95 longs, Stutzens and M95M myself. In various calibers.
It is definitely a subject that requires research and patience..which some collectors don't have the time for!
If youd like to know how i reload 8x50 with the 8mm lebel die. I prefer to trim the case a lil longer than it will be after fireforming. I then load it with a .323 or .330 bullet and shoot it with 36 grains of IMR 3031. The 8x50 dies will be available in august of 2022
@@Adirondneck Thanks i appreciate that info. The reason i thought that 8x50s used .323 bullets is cuz the wiki says .321 and my 8x50 had a really nice bore. My 8x56 had a really worn bore so it looked bigger. I think my 8x50 shoots ok with .323 bullets but once i get my hardball I can cast some .330s of my own. Ive never made my own bullets only pure lead musketballs. I have only .323 gas checks but i heard they do work. I also got a .311 die and i heard they can even work for them as well. Ofc i ahve the sizers
i recently got my hands on a deactivated one here in the UK, made by steyr and used by austria and i have checz bayonet. both are dated to 1917
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@@BattlefieldCuratorThere was an Importer who was bringing them in from Greece to Canada, Demilling them by cutting a slot in the Barrel after the Chamber… and then bringing them across the Border to sell as deactivated Antique Wall Hangers and Lamp Kits. I’m searching for a Barrel for it. It has Greek Carvings on the Stock
I made a stock for my m95m out of another styre stock I found on Ebay because I wanted a bayonet lug on it. but the previous owner ruined the original stock because it wasn't sporting enough. So I did my best to right a wrong and now just needs a handguard and sling band and it will be the first gun I've un sporterized/restore to former glory. By the way if anyone knows where I can find stuff like original stock dimensions including hand garde dimensions/modelfor this thing. I would be most grateful.
Good luck! Milsurp restoration isn’t easy but it is very satisfying!
@@BattlefieldCurator especially when the gun is a small batch compared to the m1 garand or lee Enfield or even the lebel. But yes satisfying nonetheless
From my understanding I believe the handguard is just an M1924 mauser handguard, as well as the rear sight and barrel. They just retained the action.
@@brendanliamgill99 Milsurp World did a video with M95s including an M95m… maybe reach out to him and ask if he has any info
@@BattlefieldCurator I will thank you.
And before the m95 you have a whole lot too. 1886, 1886/90, 1888, 1888/90, 1888/95, 1890, 1890/95 I saw once, etc…With the m95, you also have a lot of turn down bolt styles that went to asia and other countries
Indeed! The many models and slight changes
I've got three of them, one is basically a smooth bore, one is mint and one has a Douglas xx air gauged barrel in .30 cal that shoots 7.62 x54r, has a PU scope and loads clips from the bottom. No Waffenampts on any of them. P.S. They're all or were Stutzen rifles.
I got mine from big 5 for $100 in '03.
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Bullets cases and dies are available. Loading data is however not so easy. I had one once that had a giganto waffenampt in the stock back in the day. Of course it seemed spurious and apparently was. The one I got now is probably not really historical either, depending on how many times they reworked them before export. They say the Bulgarians did their mods in the 30s but I bet they were probably worked or reworked again postwar.
Do you think these rifles can be re-barreled to 7.62x54r
That would be interesting. I know the Germans had some for 8mm Mauser. You’d have to talk with a gunsmith and then it would probably cost a lot!
@@BattlefieldCurator yeah, I’minterested in gunsmithing and I know the bolt would lock with 7.62x54r but I’m not sure if the pressure is greater than an 8x56r. If the new round has more pressure than the bolt would probably explode. But yeah I think if you had the money it should be relatively easy to get a new barrel made and may a gunsmith to install it.
Many years ago my grandpa bought an M95 because he thought it looked cool and he hung it over the fireplace. When they moved he hung it over the new fireplace and that was where it was as long as I could remember. My dad said he always remembered it being over both fireplaces too.
I recently acquired it because grandpa passed in the 90's and I have a safe, my parents don't. I've been trying to figure out more info about it.
The only markings I can see are Styer M.95 on the receiver, there is no S or H marking in front where you showed the S. The sight meter marks are only in the left, I found a couple K marks in various places. Serial number is on the left, reads 9310Q. My best guess is I have an original 8x50 not converted, not cut to carbine. Is there any way to tell if it is 8x50 or 8x56?
I would guess it is 8x50r. Here’s a video by the Koba49 m.ruclips.net/video/wjCyV8XArqo/видео.html
@@BattlefieldCurator Super easy. Now I just need to find a brass lol. Since ammo is so rare and grandpa hung the M95 up over the fireplace I figured I would keep the tradition alive and make a wood display case to hang it in my garage. I'm already mentally prepped for probably never firing it. I do have a Mosin Nagant, so I have an idea of the feeling it would be.
@@fmixthings awesome! I think it would look great in a display box
Bought one a few months ago needing a firing pin. I can’t find one anywhere. Bought a complete bolt but it’s of a different variant I suppose.
I just checked a few websites and there’s not many parts available for those. Maybe network with folks at Gun shows or shops, someone might know someone with a lot of spare parts. Maybe eBay or GB? Good luck!
@@BattlefieldCurator thanks for the response. I did just find a complete bolt assembly on apex today. I believe it to be 8x56r but im going to get a gunsmith to double check for me. Rifle is in very good condition and I picked it up for what I believed to be a great deal.
@@krandom354 no problem
@@BattlefieldCurator forgot it was a m95m so it’s the yugo 8mm conversion. Explains why the bolt assembly I purchased didn’t work. Know if the firing pin would be interchangeable?
@@krandom354 I’m not sure, I saw Milsurp World has an M95M, he may be able to help… maybe some folks on FB groups would know as well.
Is there any way to measuer a Chamber for the caliber then pouring molten soft metals down into the chamber? I really dont want to attempt it!
Brownells has something. Probably best to have a gunsmith do it. I paid a gunsmith to chamber cast a GEW 88.
I bought mine for $95 at Big 5 back in 2009.
PPU and steinel make 8x56. You can still buy 8x50 from custom reloaders or make your own.
Yes, I have had tried a box of Steinel 8x56mm and it’s pretty good. My friend knows where to get 8x50mm but it’s expensive and the guy that does it takes a long time to process it
I have 10 rounds of surplus 8x50mm. Definitely the scarcest in my firearms collection
Yes! Definitely hard to find!
I feel your frusteration. I think they pay off in the end. The joy of having a historic rifle, and the (current) ability to take them to the range is most rewarding. I like to think that people that own those rifles are stewards of history.
Yep! I definitely enjoy the M.95 and definitely enjoy curating history 😎👍🏼
Had one back in the late 80’s made in Budapest, in 8x56R, only ammo at the time was 1936 that had a lied bang and bright blue flame, most were German army marked.
Interesting… I might have to seek out some of that surplus ammo with the big blue muzzle flash 😁
Making jokes about Mannlicher is what I heard as a second grader. I thought it was dumb then. I am convinced this is proof that some folks start out slow. And then stop.
I have three. Two of them seem to Stutzen (the shortened one anyway), both in 8x56mmR. The third is a rifle (longer) I suspect to be in 8x50mmR. It seems to have something stuck in the chamber and I've been distracted about figuring it out.
Of the two Stutzens one is proudly marked 'Steyr' over the chamber and the other is marked 'Budapest' (the spelling may be different, I'm going off memory at the moment.)
My general impression is Von Mannlicher was a genius in design. (The M95 seems to be the springboard for the Swiss straight pull rifle and the Ross rifle, including some of the basic concepts.) The other impression is that I would NOT like to shoot that 8x56mmR round (in the official loading) very much at a time. The recoil seems to be collective.
I hate having to make my own ammo for it since 8x50r isn’t made anymore. I run it with black powder since I don’t trust 7.62x54r refit 😂. Mine is a carbine stamped W-n 99 and it had the worst stock. Looked like it was used to dig the trenches, probably was by my great grandfather in WW1. It’s a true carbine and it was brought over in the 1920’s when my family moved out of Hungary 🇭🇺. It’s a Steyr M95
Nice!
Honestly it should be fine, they used them in 8x56, a more powerful round than 7.62x54r, they are strong guns, and military rifles of that time are all over built already.
@@-Zevin- mine is in the original 8x50r but I seen people use 54r to fire form to make their own ammo
These are great guns, but the weird caliber has led them to be more unknown in the US.
Thanks, very much appreciated for the content.
I was wondering about the different ammo and how to determine which one is correct choice.
Is there any measurement tools, like a set of inserts, each one matching the caliber and cartridge dimensions that can be inserted into the chamber to determine the size?
Maybe would have to talk to a gunsmith. I know that they can cast the chamber. You could see how to do it yourself, Brownells has some cerrosafe chamber casting alloy. Good luck 👍
There's only m95 in 8x50, m95/24 in 8 mm mauser and m95/30 in 8x56. Bulgaria just bought them from everyone they never rechambered them. Only Austria and Hungry converted them a big S for steyr and H for hungry.
saved me a purchase
That’s good to hear!
Well if the rifle is listed for sale ,chambered in 8x50R then where do you go for ammunition? I think these rifles are some of the coolist looking battle rifle i have ever seen? Granted its over 100yrs old and if your lucky enough to get a barrel thatr will at least hit a 10" plate at 100yrds ,anyway, I fear they are going ot just end up as wall hangers, conversation peieces......which i hate! I tell everyone i deal with for Mil-surps and other older guns, that im looking for shooters. I dont care about how pretty it looks although, that is a plus if they were well kept! I can always restock any rifle as most if not "all" old guns have some kind of after market, mil-surp partss,stocks and ammo, at times. My grandfather took two mausers during the war. One was a fully marked Nazi k98k and my cuzzin got that as i wanted the VZ24 my Pop-Pop took off ,what he thought was a conscript solder that has a rifle that had been re-stocked just before the war. Although its one of the rifles that were produced in the 1st year the VZ24 came out in 1926. Most likely its an 8mm Mauser but idk 100% for sure. So some how i have to measure the chamber to be sure it is, 8mm Mauser before ican ever shoot it? Which sux. My others so far in my collection are a No4Mk1 Enfield built in 1943 byCanada by Savage basically. I also have a Nicer then normal Carcano ,strait out of Italy, as i want a 6 rifle collection of WWII Axis/Allied rifles. So far they are the only three i have. I still need an Arisaka, and then the two most costly after that in the Mosan and M1 Garand! :>/ But man do i want a Garand! LOL Cant really make my mind up on buying one of the many floating around the open market or go, threw the CMP program yet? Since im almost 60yrs old i better do it soon!?! LOL I really want more of ,examples of what was used ,during WWII rather then historically correct ones. Because when it boils down to it, i want shooters! I want to get into target shooting and long range as well so.... There are a few other WWII rifles id like but i told my wife i would stick with 6 rifles for this "small" collection. Since 1/2 my rifles she dosnt even know about, i can expand on the collection over time! LOL I just need to flee my blue state for a Red so i can freely use my tools to enjoy my hobby! A state that i can go out in my back yard and shoot at targets, without worry. A place that is still free! Not like my state of N.J. where have ot drive at least 45min to find a public ,free range, or pay at some 15yrd indoor range for an hour of shooting. Its one of the reasons i have a number of rifles and uppers i have not even fired yet, because i refuse to shoot a rifle across the room at an indoor pistol range! :>/ I would have ot own at least 100acres here if i wanted to be able to shoot at targets on my own land! Its quite sad when i think ,that this is America today! :>(
Castos Curios has 8x50mmR for those old M.95’s. I haven’t tried them but they’re really the only source I know currently to find that ammo. If I were in your shoes, I would plan a trip to the CMP Talladega. I would get a hotel in Oxford/Anniston, AL (I usually stay at the Hampton or Home2 Suites) get a rental car for those days, and drive to the CMP South store and/or Talladega Marksmanship Park store and range. That way you’d have a pretty decent amount of options to pick one out of your liking (and make sure you meet the requirements to purchase from the CMP beforehand) you can take it back with you on the plane or I think you can have it shipped back to your house (depending if they can ship it due to your state). I’m sure there are other ways to go about it but that would be how I would do it. I usually go there once a year.
So then i guess im looking for one chambered in 8mm Mauser huh? What model is that one? Any model M95 that shoots something thats still on the, market these days would be very helpful?Please HELP? lol
This one is 8x56mmR so it was converted at some time from the older 8x50mmR. You can find 8x56mmR online but they are rarely found in gun shops.
One of the best Milsurp channels out there ❤
Thanks! 😁🍻
How would you say the blast 💥 compares to an M44 mosin? Good vid.
Bigger!!!!🔥🔥🔥
@@BattlefieldCurator Nice! Thanks for the response! Any difference in power between the retro 1938 stuff and PPU (Prvi)?
@@mmz77 only ammo I fired in these were the Hornady and PCI… PCI had a larger muzzle blast.
Had a guy try to sell me one of the fake nazi marked long rifles at a gun show and I told him I would pay only $50 more than the price of the standard m95 that was sitting next to it. He said, “But it’s a real nazi used gun just look at the markings.” I brought up several articles and even places online where you could buy fake Waffenamnts. He looked like I deflated his tires and stole his kid. I told him I would offer $50 more because it was an interesting piece of collecting history but not WWII history. Guy said he’d have to think about it so I went on my way and came back and it was gone. He sold it to some kid who paid $900 for it. At that point I called him a bastard under my breath and walked away.
man he did that kid wrong... that seller probably overpaid for it himself. He should have just called it a loss
@@BattlefieldCurator well he made out like a bandit later ngl. The kid I mean. Got a refurbed Mas 36 with 200 rounds of PPU, plus the sling, plus enough clips to go with every round of ammo, plus a whole bag of French milsurp gear, for $250. 🥵 I had just passed by that table and was going to my dad to ask for the money (that I would pay back) and by the time I came back that kid had it slung over his shoulder and all the goodies stuffed under his arm. That kid had to have arrived with like two or three grand in his pocket. Because those weren’t the only guns he bought that day.
PPU makes ammo
The Mannlicher and the Carcano are the poor mans rifles but they work. Exactly what Austria-Hungary and Italy needed then. Are there better designs? Yes. But these systems did their job and soldiers liked them well enough.
You didn't mention what happens when the bolt is removed. It is (almost) impossible to get it back in. If you are not a person who curses, you will be when you try getting the bolt back in.
Mine is made in Budapest, i have a bunch of old ammo,
Do you have a bunch of that WW2 German surplus ammo or from somewhere else?
@@BattlefieldCurator German ammo.
Lucky
What means m95 ?
It means Model 1895
I love to take mine and let AR-guys shoot it, after a couple of rounds - they hand it back and say
“I’m good”. Always a good for a laugh
softies lol
If you own, the best thing you can do is: reload your own.
Quite a few guys I know got into reloading
That's what I do for my cased M1910 (9.5X57 - .375 Nitro Express Rimless) Mannlicher Schoenauer Take Down Model.
I have one - bought it from J&G Sales years ago. I gave it a nickname: “The Ass-Kicker”, if you shoot one you will understand
Lol 😂! Yea J&G has had some good stuff over the years
I have proginal ww1 manlinher shtucen amd i wish to trade it for mosin nagant
Stutzen.
Didn’t realize I was holding a Steyr M95 and I forgot it was a straight-pull
Pay more attention
Bruh that’s literally my father who does that every time I say that Mannlicher
Lol 😂
These guns are called M95/34 incorrectly by a U.S. importer. There was no such designation either in Hungary nor in Austria.
the Bulgarian conversions are the M95/34s.
Soooo when my box of ammunition gets here and I’m going to shoot it
Awesome!
thats my dream gum
In German the correct pronunciation is "Mon-Lis- cher"
Thanks for the pronunciation correction! I’ll be sure to try and pronounce it correctly next time
C&arsenal
I need to moce to a state that is more condusive to my 2A rights! So that i may enjoy firearms like most of the people in America!??? Commrad Murphy has swore to shred our Constitutional rights, like o ur 1st and 2nd Amendments and more!!! The main reason im fleeing while i still can! I bet in the near future we re all going ot have to stop at check points to go from state to state! I want to be in a good and free "red" state when that starts up!
If shoot something with mannlicher it becomes a ball licker
The only reason "Mannlicker" is funny, is because y'all only speak gawdz language; which is apparently "Murican".
While the Austro-Hungarians had a repeating small calibre, high velocity rifle, the principal arm of the US Military was the Springfield Model 1873. It was a single shot, hand loaded and hammer fired rifle.
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Mine was stolen. Have a few hundred rounds of Nazi ammo
when you americans say mannlicher it sounds like men licker WTF! WHY!
Different accent.
Mon - lissher does not roll off naturally to a North American speaker and the actual Deutsche pronunciation would be awkward to near impossible for many.
When read by a U.S. reader, _Mann_ looks like 'man' with a longer 'n' and _licher,_ having no English language counterpart (that I can think of just now) looks 'close enough' to 'licker', which is also how we pronounce _'liquor',_ which can be added to make the conversation more lively.
And then you come across the dutch manlicher rifles and all of its different versions.