I though this was a great explanation of an advanced topic. I learned about this in the Driveline pitch design course and this video made it much easier to comprehend. As a Yankee fan, the Ottavino slider seemed to be less effective in certain situations given the lack of vertical break. Ottavino lives on vertical movement on all pitches so maybe an arsenal of pitches that have great vertical and horizontal movement could create an elite pitcher.
Appreciate the kind words as always! I haven’t personally taken the Driveline course myself (yet), but glad you saw some value in this version of that topic! Ottavino’s slider is one of the best sweeping sliders in the game. IMO the lack of induced VB makes it great. Thanks for the comment!
Here's some mlb clips shown in the video : 3:16 Release of 4 Seam Fastball 3:28 Release of Gyro Slider 4:21 Luis Castillo Gyro Slide 4:43 Adamottavino Sweeping slider 5:23 Luis Castillo and Adamottavino ( difference of sweeper and gyro )
I really want to understand the movement of the gyro slider. I’ve done the research and it says that the Vertical movement is only -4 but to the human eye looks like is breaking about a feet. Do we take our Vertical movement on a fastball and subtract? Let’s say theres a pitcher with a Vertical movement of 10 on his FB but only has -2 on his Gyro slider did the ball dropped 12 inches or is this not the correct way to mature this pitch?
Great question, Gabriel! This is something that is very tough to wrap your mind around. When we talk about Vertical and Horizontal movement, 99% of the time we’re talking about spin induced movement. The Gyro slider is different, because the way the pitch is spinning does not directly affect the movement of the pitch. To my understanding, nobody has quantified how much these pitches actually move - but it definitely moves gloveside much more than a fastball does even though our movement may be (0,0). The over simplified explanation I’ve received is the axis slowly tilts down as the pitch gets nearer to the plate, once it does that ups the spin efficiency and the pitch takes off late. At this point it’s nearly impossible to measure that, but at least that might give a simple answer to a sneakily complex physics question. Thanks for the comment!
@@SimpleSabermetrics to my understanding, knuckleball would have close to 0,0 in terms of spin induced movement. But because of the orientations of the seams that created turbulence, the ball moves in all sorts of funny ways. Am I right?
Great question! For a true 4S FB I recommend tunneling a gyro slider typically. But it’s going to depend on a case by case basis. If an athlete has a high spin rate, throwing up in the zone is important - so most likely their best secondary pitch would be a 12-6 CB paired with their 4S. To split the difference a gyro slider would be better when referring to tunneling. But that’s only one specific situation. If an athlete has a good Sweeping Slider that has been working for them, you may be interested in swapping the 4S with a 2S to better match the movement profiles together. Kind of a convoluted answer - but hope this helps!
I though this was a great explanation of an advanced topic. I learned about this in the Driveline pitch design course and this video made it much easier to comprehend. As a Yankee fan, the Ottavino slider seemed to be less effective in certain situations given the lack of vertical break. Ottavino lives on vertical movement on all pitches so maybe an arsenal of pitches that have great vertical and horizontal movement could create an elite pitcher.
Appreciate the kind words as always! I haven’t personally taken the Driveline course myself (yet), but glad you saw some value in this version of that topic!
Ottavino’s slider is one of the best sweeping sliders in the game. IMO the lack of induced VB makes it great. Thanks for the comment!
Great video comparisons. Love them. Use of video of MLB pitchers helps visualize and makes it easier to understand. Thanks
Good to see you back in the comments, Yitz! Been having a lot of fun making videos on the pros. Glad you enjoyed!
Haha yeah I don't really understand it much I just look at the MLB clips shown here
Here's some mlb clips shown in the video :
3:16 Release of 4 Seam Fastball
3:28 Release of Gyro Slider
4:21 Luis Castillo Gyro Slide
4:43 Adamottavino Sweeping slider
5:23 Luis Castillo and Adamottavino ( difference of sweeper and gyro )
I really want to understand the movement of the gyro slider. I’ve done the research and it says that the Vertical movement is only -4 but to the human eye looks like is breaking about a feet.
Do we take our Vertical movement on a fastball and subtract? Let’s say theres a pitcher with a Vertical movement of 10 on his FB but only has -2 on his Gyro slider did the ball dropped 12 inches or is this not the correct way to mature this pitch?
Great question, Gabriel! This is something that is very tough to wrap your mind around. When we talk about Vertical and Horizontal movement, 99% of the time we’re talking about spin induced movement.
The Gyro slider is different, because the way the pitch is spinning does not directly affect the movement of the pitch.
To my understanding, nobody has quantified how much these pitches actually move - but it definitely moves gloveside much more than a fastball does even though our movement may be (0,0).
The over simplified explanation I’ve received is the axis slowly tilts down as the pitch gets nearer to the plate, once it does that ups the spin efficiency and the pitch takes off late. At this point it’s nearly impossible to measure that, but at least that might give a simple answer to a sneakily complex physics question.
Thanks for the comment!
@@SimpleSabermetrics to my understanding, knuckleball would have close to 0,0 in terms of spin induced movement. But because of the orientations of the seams that created turbulence, the ball moves in all sorts of funny ways. Am I right?
@@choiyatlam2552 idk if you’re right but it sounds like it makes sense
Hi, thanks for the amazing video as always. Which of these do you think tunnels best with a 4S Fastball?
Great question! For a true 4S FB I recommend tunneling a gyro slider typically. But it’s going to depend on a case by case basis.
If an athlete has a high spin rate, throwing up in the zone is important - so most likely their best secondary pitch would be a 12-6 CB paired with their 4S.
To split the difference a gyro slider would be better when referring to tunneling. But that’s only one specific situation.
If an athlete has a good Sweeping Slider that has been working for them, you may be interested in swapping the 4S with a 2S to better match the movement profiles together.
Kind of a convoluted answer - but hope this helps!
Great video I love this stuff
#gyroball
I see them everywhere I go I’m going crazy
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Jus wasted 5 mins
Why