How To Install The Apex Action Enhancement Kit for the FN 509
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- Apex's Scott Folk walks you through proper procedure for installing the Apex Action Enhancement Kit for the FN 509 (or FNS).
PLEASE: Play close attention to the warning on frame pin directional differences between the FN 509 and the FNS pistols.
A couple of notes after just installing the kit.
1- That front frame pin is a real pain to get out and once done things move along well
2- When assembling the sear assembly you skipped over the second sear pin and spring. I rewound vid and noticed it's placement
3- The trigger will not pull to rear until the whole install is completed and the slide put back on, and then racked. The trigger safety will catch on frame until then.
4- As both sear pins are the same, be sure to install trigger bar on lower pins, not upper pins (had to double check that too)
5- Re-installing front pin is just as much of a pain to get it out. I had to use a vise to press in place and finish with stubby
6- Pat yourself on back once done and enjoy the superb parts and your installation
Mark
Meraub number 3 is a great point. Trying to figure out what is wrong, but all is well when put together. Apex fn pin jig well worth the money
All Great points. Definitely #2 threw me for a slight loop. All in all it took me about 2 hours, with reassembly taking longer to make sure all the intricate parts were correctly in place. Watching the vid at .5x speed was also very necessary
Hey brother I have same issue my seer housing looks perfect but trigger won’t go all they way back it took me few steps to take the slide out again is there a way you can help out a brother 🙏🙏🙏
Or maybe make a video of the issue ❤
After using the Apex Disassembly Jig and watching these vids I had zero issues. The end result was worth it. Thanks Apex for cranking out sweet products and smooth support!
Glad everything worked out for you.
Installed in a 509 MidSize MRD recently. Purchased the pin removal jig as well, which actually came in handy when driving the pin back in. Total time from first hammer smack to last was about 2hrs - took some breaks in between but about 2hrs of labor, probably half of which was spent entirely in re-installing that pin haha
Ran a few magazines through after the install and no issues, definitely a nice upgrade though the factory trigger isn't too bad so if you're concerned about damaging your gun beyond repair, because that's the risk you're taking here, consider installing an Apex trigger in something else.
Removing that pin is tough, as you should be well-aware if you have gotten this far. Once it started moving during the removal, the pin came right out. No real issues with assembly other than my big fingers and tiny parts. Watching the video on .5x is helpful, otherwise be prepared to scrub back to re-watch some parts.
Re-installing the pin, for me, was significantly tougher. I almost gave up and started looking for a Gunsmith or someone with a press, but I decided to put the pin removal jig back on so I could get more, heavier hits on the punch without it slipping off the pin and/or damaging the frame. I was doing this on a concrete floor, sometimes on an armorers block and sometimes right on the concrete. But using the jig during the reinstall certainly helped, though you have to keep putting it on and taking it off to check the progress of the pin. Literally the last 1/8 and 1/16" seemed to take forever and I wasn't sure the pin was even moving until I started taking pictures to measure the progress. That's how little the pin was moving while smacking the punch with a 24oz framing hammer...a press would make this install take no time.
I am convinced after reading your post to leave the trigger alone. Going with the $20 MCARBO kit and polishing some of the trigger components. I've heard this pin is a bitch from hell.
Just did the Apex Red Flat Trigger on my new FN 509 LS Edge. I was NOT happy with the stock trigger. For a $1200.00 polymer gun, the factory trigger should've been much, much better. The Apex was well worth the money. It makes a huge difference instantly. Much smoother, plus it looks great too.
Getting the pins out wasn't as difficult as getting them back in. I wish the pins didn't lose the "black" color from hammering and turned "silver". I gotta drop a dab of black paint on um as the shiny silver from hammering um stands out and drives me crazy.
The disassembly block was a great tool when installing this trigger, took about an hour and 30 for me to install. I can say it was worth it in the end, i love the look and feel of this trigger. Would highly recommend getting the disassembly block before getting this trigger, makes a night and day difference getting that pin out.
Really appreciate the feedback on the Disassembly Fixture. It's been a life-saver for a lot of customers tackling this kind of armorer lever disassembly for the first time.
Just ordered one. 50 clams.
Alright... followed the video sts and it went almost flawlessly. I say 'almost' because the first time I had the spring under the slide release and the trigger would not work... obviously. Another viewing that portion of the video again and I saw my mistake. I have the disassembly block which made the removal of the front pin easy. I will say make certain your pin punch is long enough to drive the pin completely out of the frame. Mine was a tad short so I had to pull the pin out the final bit but no worries it came right out. Total time about 1 hour allowing for second partial disassembly to correct the spring placement. Just a note... I paid my local gunshop to install my first Apex trigger on my first 509 midsize because I had read horror stories about frames cracking while removing the front pin. Really no need to, if you have a moderate mechanical aptitude this is not a difficult job to do with the proper tools available. As a bonus I have a better understanding of how my pistol functions now.
Thanks for the well done "How To" video for installing the Apex trigger. I was able to make the install by following your step by step with no problems.
Excellent. Glad to hear it.
No problem?? Not even with the frame pin???
I lucked out, I have an idiot mark when I was driving the pin in/out but consider myself lucky that I didn't crack the frame. If I did it all over again, I definitely would use the jig. Still very happy with the results. Thanks.
Wow, what a pain compared to a M&P, but great demonstration!! Thank you
Thank you so much for this video!! I was able to get mine put together much easier than I thought because of this video. Wished I had the Apex block, but I did find that letting PB blast sit on the dreaded punch pins helped them come out a lot easier...for me anyway.
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I have never ever rewound a video so many times. Love the gun. Trigger is great stupid hard to disassemble, apex jig helped a lot. You skipped a few steps though, I figured them out but maybe show when you put in the second sets pin and spring I can’t find anywhere you did that
Just installed in my new 509 Tactical. No real problems, although that pin was as tight as advertised. I did purchase the fixture as well, so I wasn't too concerned.
I was doing great all the way up to the point where I had to reinsert that damn pin. Yeah, you know which pin I'm talking about. That effing pin! I'm going back and forth between my computer (at least fifteen times) and the garage where I was doing the work, feeding the dogs, and with the wife talking at me and got mixed up on the direction that I was supposed to drive the pin in from. I started the pin from the wrong direction for my 509 and got it halfway when I encountered so much resistance I stopped. I was afraid I'd bend the pin, crack the frame, or miss and hit the frame. That was after the pin started to mushroom on me. I managed to pound it back out after nearly going insane and drove it in the right way. Even after that, it wasn't as easy as it looked in the video. I thought of digging out my old arbor press and using that, but then I thought if anything bends that pin it'll be that press. That last 1/8" was a bitch. My punch kept slipping because the pin surface got slightly mushroomed and I've got the dings and gouges in my frame to prove it. I went over the by now shiny pin ends with a magic marker so they'd blend with the frame. Here's the kicker, I did the research, the prep and laughed at the guys that turned this simple process into a horror novel and thought to myself why do they even attempt something like this if they don't have the skills. See, I'm very mechanically inclined. The only problem, I learned later was that I'm not a gunsmith. I have and used the proper tools in the way they were meant to be used. I even bought that damn jig (and it did help), but I was really disheartened by this experience. I'm not trying to discourage anyone who wants to do this themselves, I'm just saying think long and hard before you make the leap. The trigger is lighter, with a shorter pull and reset, and even though the takeup is shorter you can still feel the grittiness. All in all, I don't regret it and the trigger is great, but it was such an ordeal it took some of the "new toy" excitement out of it. Good luck to all you brave souls.
I know this is 3 years old but hopefully you already figured out the grittiness was most likely your striker and spring
I can't believe I wrote that. I sound like a real spaz. I think I put less than 100 rounds through it and just got used to the grittiness. I've had so many pistols since then I never really shot it again. I did like it quite a bit though. Would you suggest changing out the striker and spring? And if so, with what? Thanks for the insight.@@matt-ts8cx
Mcarbo makes a titanium striker that I would use but the cheapest option is to dremel and polish the inside of your factory striker where the striker spring goes. The grittiness is the striker spring coils gliding over the imperfect surface of the inside of the striker as the spring compresses.
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I thought you re-insert pins right to left on a 509. However you re-installed one of the pins from left to right. You even hammered it down.
BOHICA I think that was the trigger pin, it’s reversed so the pin can catch the takedown spring hole. Going left to right the pin has a flat head and hard to align with the spring, other way the pin is rounded and feeds better
Love this product!
Great Video Guys, Very Well Done! Carry on
Put 200 rounds through my 9C last week. Love the new trigger.
Glad to hear it.
@Skyline 305 I got rid of the grittiness before installing. I buffed out the striker, and slide with a dremel, and que tips. The trigger just reduced the travel of the pull, shortened the take up a little, and provided a crisper break. The break is a lot more predictable. I am shooting tighter groups with it.
@Skyline 305 It significantly improves the trigger and removes much of what you experience as grittiness. Like with all new guns with few to no rounds through them, the smoothness of the trigger will be more noticeable after several rounds are shot and the gun is "broken in."
Where is the video of y’all taking the gun apart?!
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Literally in the same playlist of FN 509 videos.
@@duckvenom Yeah, not a thing.
Great video only took half hour to do. Never done before. swapping out trigger wasn't too hard ..make sure to take your time.
Glad the video helped.
Excellent demonstration....
thanks for this! got it done first try. not even any parts left over like with my M&P. :P
Your videos and products are awesome!
Thanks for saying that. We appreciate the feedback.
Took mine to a gunsmith didn’t use the jig and cracked my frame. Got it back 7 weeks later and took it to another gunsmith who used the jig and still cracked the frame. Both were unable to get the pin to move more than a pinch out of the gun. I refuse to use this gun with the standard trigger and will not buy another FN Firearm. Gonna wait to get it back again and try sending it to apex for the install. 3rd time is the charm
Just got my locking block pin out with no cracking thank God lol.
Used a punch slightly smaller in diameter and a bench block with a blue paper towel over it folded in 2 under the parts with gaps to have some thing the frame would rest tight on and I easily knocked the pin around in a circle with a punch that is tapered and probably 4 mm long till it came loose some then I used a longer punch doing light hits till it came out and was so relieved once it was halfway out with no problem.
My apex trigger should be here by Wednesday or so.
The guy I got my trigger from got it new and never even opened it once he found out how easy the frames are to crack so I got about a forty percent discount on a unopened 509 trigger.
HAD TO TAKE THE GUN APART AND PUT IT BACK TOGETHER 3 TIMES BUT THE TRIGGER NOW WORKS! TOLD MY WIFE NOT TO EVER LET ME DO THIS AGAIN...
You can always contact our customer service to help troubleshoot your install issues.
Yep gonna need a gunsmith
Best presentation
would the apex trigger and sear work with a trigger spring kit from Mcarbo?
We haven't tested our products with other aftermarket products, so we do not know.
It does.
Good job guys as usual!!! Grant B.
Put your trigger in and now my trigger wont pull back. The safety in the trigger gets caught on the polymer locking my entire trigger. The trigger needs to sit further up the gun and I can't figure out what's wrong
Does the 509 Tactical disassemble with the pins in the same direction as the standard? When I look at the pins it looks like they remove right to left.
That is covered in the disassembly video and if you go to 6:05 in this video, where we cover reinstalling the pins, you will see clear guidance on that. They remover right to left and reinstall left to right.
My trigger pivot pin is in place butni cant seem to set it in all the way. Ive tapped it with a punch but it wont seem to go in. Is it being hung up on something im not seeing?
I had a similar experience, broke out a heavier hammer and felt like it still took forever for that last 1/16". At one point I surmised I was going to have to take it to a gunsmith or find someone with a press. As long as you see the pin coming out of the other side of the frame and it's captured everything, just keep tapping :)
I live in San Antonio, TX and I can't find a competent gunsmith who is willing to do this install for me. Something about the possibility of damaging the frame. Does Apex Tactical complete trigger installations for customers?
For the FN 509, yes. But due to the whole COVID thing we are not taking in guns at the moment. You can call our customer service at 623-322-0200 for additional guidance.
Hey, great video I'm just a little confused, there were no instructions on how to take everything out and apart?
The disassembly process is outlined in a separate video.
Okay, thanks is there a link for that video? That you could provide?
my fn 509 tactical does not have a sear spring nor the hole the spring goes into. Anyone else have this issue? I disassembled it on a magnetic work station so i know i did not lose any parts
where do you get those 509 base plates? or are there any after market mag extensions?
The blue base pads are from Springer Precision.
@apextactical:
I feel confident working on my FNS, except that nasty pin on the front. Can I buy just the performance sear and install only it, without the trigger?
No, you cannot install just the sear.
@@apextactical, thank you for replying. I will continue collecting courage for the full kit while building a kitchen table gunsmith experience working on my other guns :-).
Do I have to replace the sear. The one that came with the kit is feels raw. The factory is smooth and polished.
Yes, you have to use the Apex sear.
Good for the 509 mid too I assume?
When will they be back in stock?
Not sure. Waiting on trigger bars and sears.
i just bought one from rainier arms. they actually ahve them in stock
If I ship you my 509 gun can you do the install ? Also, I’m in Las Vegas do you recommend anyone to this?
Thank you
We are not taking in guns at the moment, due to the whole COVID thing, but definitely contact our customer service at 623-322-0200 for guidance.
Do you know when you will get more of these in stock?
I just ordered one flat/black from a website called FN specialties yesterday and it shipped today
We are waiting on more trigger bars. Not sure the exact ETA.
@@michaelsebastian3524 I was on their website the other night and they had some in stock. I sat for about 5 minutes debating of weather or not to buy it. I finally decided to get it, and it sold out in that amount of time. I missed out!
@@matthewbaker4652 damn lol keep checking they were sold out on the flat face trigger when i checked that morning then by the end of the day they were back in stock. My trigger gets here tomorrow pretty quick shipping
@@michaelsebastian3524 They finally got back in stock and I just bought mine finally!
Will this work on 509 compact?
Yes, as noted on the product page on our website.
Slide release is all jacked up now. No spring tension. Sigh.
Why would you skip the disassembly process?
You mean the disassembly process covered in a separate video?
Fn509 , fnp509 and fnx509 what are the differences and will this trigger fit ??
The FNP and the FNX are both hammer-fired guns. This FN509 is a striker-fired gun. The fire control systems are completely different. This trigger will NOT work in either the FNX or the FNP models. We have triggers for the FN509, FNS-C and the FNS (all striker-fired models).
Can ya make a trigger for the fnp509 I’ll send you my gun
@@luivillslugger No, we are not working on trigger upgrades for the FN hammer-fired guns.
Where’s the video of the original disassembly???
We have a whole playlist with the FN installation videos.
Why not ship assembled 🤨
I’ve owned a dremal for over a year. I think I’m a “competent” gun smith
Never mind forgot this ain’t a Glock
Will this work on fns 40?
We have a kit specifically for the FNS: #119-114
It would be so much easier if I could send my FNS40L frame to Apex Tactical and have them install their new trigger assembly and sear. Last time I looked at their website, they aren't doing this. Dang it!
We just announced that for a limited time we are doing installs for the new FN kits. See our blog, or call customer service, for details.
If I tried this install I'd just end up sending a box of parts to someone in the mail to fix lol
Fortunately we are offering an FN Installation Assistance service for those not wanting to tackle the install.
apextactical I'm working on getting a 509 now through my ffl guy
@@apextactical I want to send yall my new 509 tac so yall can install the trigger, where do I start?
No way do I feel competent enough to this without damaging something lol.
The video won't play after the first 20 seconds
Works fine here. Maybe it's a connection/buffering issue on your end.
@@apextactical that's what i thought too. But its only on this video. I've watched 4 of your others to make sure
Also my gunsmith told me that that awful pin was designed to be hydrologically pressed out. Makes sense but also very stupid . Ps I’ll never take it all the way down again. Don’t buy one used.
damn
This is bs. This pin will not frigging go back in. I’m about to use a mallet. Ridiculous design
If you have the disassembly fixture, put the fixture back over it as if you were removing the pin and drive the pin back in from the bottom
This is bullshit he is not showing all that needs to be done there is a spring that he does not show that he installs and then there is a Nother piece that does not show he installs
Yeah, pretty sure you're wrong.
Oh yea 2:16 -2:19 he does not show the spring at the bottom that goes along that pen I was following him as he was doing it and All said and done the spring was not installed had to disassemble everything to install that spring
Does not show installing the two pens and the coil spring at the bottom
Yeah pretty sure YOUR wrong but it’s cool just add it in
Jesus fuck that’s complicated
Not once you do it once or twice. There are something like 10 people here that can do this install, and for at least one it would take no more than 15 minutes. But, we have more experience with this than anyone else in the industry.
Take it to a competent gunsmith.
One that has some experience with the FN line. More than one "gunsmith" has screwed this up, mostly due to not following our video or calling us for guidance.
Warranty is fictional aways even if someones made to appear to be acting as if thats untrue.
Sure dude more slave labor for a story.
Are you still aware that youre being harmed?
Work on the 509 tac?
Yes it does.
It's the same gun man