Powerplay is Terrible [Elite Dangerous]
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2024
- My 2 cents on how and why is power play a terrible feature for elite dangerous.
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Whoever came up with the math of power play ranks, grind and decay should be forced to play it to earn their salary.
Mark Baron
Not merely play it; tie their salary to their powerplay level :)
No, they shouldn't get paid for the whole duration. Us player's won't get paid by not doing work, so they shouldn't.
LMAO well said ^_^
if they remove it today I dont think anyone would notice.
I think we'd all rejoice
I would, I need that damn Missile rack. And those shields, and those rails, etc.
As long as they remove the grind for the items locked behind it, then no, no one would notice =)
If they removed the grind, then everybody would notice lol.
Power play much like engineering is shit. Both of those are the worst aspects of the game.
50 million credits a week is a joke; sabotaging a power is easier than aiding it, the bubble hasn't moved in years, losing HALF your merits every week is the single most draconian example of progress decay I have EVER seen, and most of the powers are indistinct and pointless to begin with. (Mining lances? Seriously?)
I can't wait for the entire playerbase to just band together, support Archon Delaine or something and completely eradicate the rest of the powers from the game via a combined effort of warfare and hauling. then we all look at Fdev with disapproving glares that tell them, in no uncertain terms, that powerplay was horribly implemented and should NEVER be done like that again.
That would be good if we overthrew every government.
So people fully understand, I was unable to play this week due to family issues stuff that could happen to anybody, so because I was unable to grind merits on a non combat grind and they now got cut in half ,I essentially lost millions. That's how fun Powerplay is.
While every PP participant loathes the rank regression caused by gaps in play time (PP punishes you for NOT PLAYING) to be honest, PP did not take away millions from you, but you did lose the additional income PP provided. What you had up to that point, you kept. For the serious long term PP pilot, the "loss" of millions in income is like losing a few pennies. I know PP pilots who are multi billionaires. 100 mil a week is chump change to them.
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Welcome to Elite. Please don't feel sympathy for the Powerplay. Please do not feed the Powerplay. Enjoy your flight, Commander!
As long as Sandro Samarco is the lead designer,almost every aspect of the game will be a huge job-like grind that is supposed to be "immersive" cause he hears all the no-lifers,wannabe immersionists on forums...
The trouble is, there's two type of player here. The 'knucklehead' guys that just want to shoot stuff for an hour and the 'no-life' guys that want to play it like a sim. The knuckleheads fly off into a tantrum if they don't get the biggest badass ships like yesterday whilst the no-lifers think that you should work your ass off to get the good stuff.
It's pitifully easy to get an Anaconda if you go down the exploit route. Now hundreds, maybe thousands of people now have massive ships. This has made the game top heavy. The biggest ships ought to take blood sweat and tears to get, otherwise people will be ditching the games after weeks instead of years because people will plateau at the max too quickly.
Same thing happened with the engineers. They were supposed to make ships 'unique'. I'm sure the idea was that the level five stuff would be really hard to get so only the dedicated would get them but the entitled whingers complained it was too difficult so FDev nerfed the difficulty and now everyone has practically exactly the same mods.
There's nothing wrong with hard to get. People should just expect less or deal with the difficulty/grind. Sure, there ought to be less tedious ways to grind but at the same time people shouldn't be expecting stuff handed to them on a plate.
Maybe, the quick fix shooters ought to sign up for the Navy or some mercenary group and get supplied with a good ship. So whilst they're in the navy, they can't be a pirate or shoot people randomly or whatever but they get supplied with a great ship to shoot things with whilst on their 'tour'. When they're mustered out, they have to go back to their old ship and earn their gear like the rest of us but be free to do what they like. Likewise, want to trade in a big ships for a while and earn so big cash? Join a trading company, expect a few restrictions for your routes but get a big transport ship to play with whilst you're employed. Want to be more independent? Do the grind and earn it the old fashioned way. Want to bounty hunt? Join the police, etc.
Maybe, just maybe, that's what Powerplay should have all been about, joining a faction to get lent a badass ship in the expectation you follow their strict rules for a bit (and suffer some massive penalties if you don't). This'll immediately give the knuckleheads something big to pew pew with but leave the no-lifers to immerse themselves in the daily chores of everyday space life and not break their immersion. It should also keep the two play styles relatively separate so FDev might not have to always compromise between the two camps so much.
You are describing two extreme states...the knucklehead and the no-lifer.Fuck them both!!! I am talking about making Elite a fun game without stupid timesinks that prevent many people from playing since if you have lets say an hour free time to play then you wont accomplish anything cause everything is stupidly time consuming and thats supposed to immerse you.And i dont mean dumbing down the game.TIME-SINK DIFFICULT...and fuck everyone that voted for ships and modules to require time to be transferred,otherwise it would break the "immersion"...Yeah sure,everytime i wait 30min-1hour for the modules/ship to arrive i am so getrting immersed on youtube or i end up loggin off cause i have no time left to play the "game".Or when i decide to go bounty hunting/pirating with a friend and my ship needs 1 hour to arrive to the station,oh let me tell you its so immersing that we both log off and go play something else for the time we have left...FUCK everyone who thinks that working your ass off=mindlessly grinding for countless hours...
Isn't it funny how some confuse difficulty with boredom and pointless time-sinking, though. Besting a better opponent in a fight or flying through a tight space is difficult. Spending (waiting for) ages to get a material for RNGeneers is bullshit. The whole system of "crafting" upgrades being a simple slot-machine is bullshit. Flying to an outpost around another star in the same system for 1h 20m in supercruise is bullshit. So to add to your original post: Fuck Sandro and fuck those morons who gave FD the idea of supercruise. Actually no, just fuck Sandro. If he wasn't such a weak-willed lame piece of shit piss-poor excuse for a game designer, ED would be a waaaaaay better game without idiotic and pointless timesinks.
Just google what else he designed. What compelled Braben to employ that sorry excuse on what is basically a game series that made history and was more influential than most other games ever is absolutely and totally unfathomable. Pehaps Sandro gives good head?
Sandro Samarco is a fucking idiot, slowly ruining a game with such a great potential...
Dael Ra : Good ideas, well put.
This whole "metagame" implementation is halfassed. Instead of building bases, military ops, covert ops, bribing leaders, changing faction states etc. we shoot down bureaucrats to get military ranks. And halving merits is absolutely stupid, never seen anything like this before before ED.
Powerplay is fun! My mentally handicapped brain tells me so!
Must have been fate... Today i started playing Elite dangerous again after a year of not doing anything much with it apart from going to resorce sights and bounty hunting to buy my first real ship. I brought myself a diamondback scout and i wanted to see if i made a good choice for a ship so i started looking at all of the youtube videos and i came across your review video and i gotta say I loved it subbed right away and watched some more. Great videos by the way keep it up! Anyway after swallowing the fact i brought a very Meh Ship i continued playing on. Ive always seen the power play but never really knew anything about it so today i thought "meh i might as well try it out". I had a look at some youtube videos for this stuff but didnt really find anything worth summing up how i should do it or if its worth my time doing it so i kinda gave up and went off to work feeling really meh about the power play experience. Anyways after coming home from work and smashing that youtube what video do i see smack bam on my youtube home page..? This little beauty! Thanks for the heads up buddy i sure wont bother wasting time with powerplay junk 10/10 would watch again ^_^
Check out Obsidianant- he makes great Elite Vids.
Welcome back CMDR
-CMDR Gestank
Obsidian Ant: needs 10 minutes to defines "grind" and "time sink" to make sure not to trigger anyone then spends another 25 minutes talking about why powerplay a piece of sh#t. Yamiks: straight to the point, telling the truth under 10 minutes
so true. I feel the same way about powerplay.
Well, you're missing a few points, but yes, it's a shallow system. It takes about 4-5 hours of gametime to get 10,000 merits via ship-kills if you've got a good wing. 2-3 hours a week to maintain. It's not the highest level of money-making, but it's not that bad. There's also the community-aspect, a lot of groups that have formed around powerplay. The final component is the BGS-aspect, working to install favorable governments across space that's exploited by your power to reduce fortification costs/strengthen your power's ability to control it's territory. That BGS-Aspect is where I spend most of my time, and I'll chuck away my salary to fast-track some forts or preps to maintain my rating 5 because it's a huge help to the community that supports each power.
I think that power play should be easier and shouldnt go so long.
I think it would be a bit more interesting if there where less powers, like the three alliances, and everyone got like a salary that would go up based on percentage of your participation, and if one faction is doing poorly, salaries go up to encourage joining up with them
1. Pledge; 2. Wait four weeks; 3. Fasttrack 750 merits (will cost 7.5M); 4. Buy special weapons; 5. Defect to other power and repeat.
thanks for this, knew rank decayed, but hadn't realised it was half every week
as a casual gamer who spends a couple of hours each week, I don't mind a bit of a grind. I feel quite happy with having a goal in mind, i.e. leveling up my fed rank or working on a cg, and working on that.
the information provided on this and what I have seen is that its not worth getting into if you only play an evening every week or two.
That's really the problem with PP.
I don't mind a grind too much either. I enjoy doing a lot of trading and eventually being able to aford a shiny new ship.
But Powerplay is a treadmill you can't get off of and that sucks. Seriously, a grind that undoes your progress, forcing you to stay on it or you're screwed is just terrible design. It'd be like if you don't make enough credits during a week in your Cobra you suddenly wake up in a sidewinder again.
As always a well balanced and objective review! ;-) The only part of Powerplay i have ever used is the discount that Rui chap provides on ships and equipment. It is a feature with no consequences for the player beyond penalties to those confused enough to join up if they don't do enough of the same thing, over and over again. FDev should just kill this add on and replace wth something that rewards varied gameplay and community interactions.
The worst thing about powerplay is that the general idea is actually really good, but they messed it up so bad that nobody wants to play it. And instead of spending time to actually make something good out of it (which is definitely possible), FD decided to ignore it because people don't play it.
Yeah looked into powerplay looked into the grind and thought the modules are not worth the trouble.
personally I don't bother with power play.... OK you can get some cool equipment but it's not worth the hassle imho
I wanted to add something to maybe help with those who do enjoy power play. If you're not into the combat part and you want to transfer the items for merit there is an easier way. The limit of only being able to transport so much per half hour is not a limit of how much you can transport per half hour. It's only a limit of how many you can take into your cargo hold per half hour. which means if you're doing literally anything else in the station you can just come back to your power contact and pick up the items every half an hour and only leave when your cargo hold is full. Maybe you're watching RUclips or Netflix in the background who knows. But at least you don't have to go and come back every 30 minutes.
Yeah, I honestly don't get why some people seem to think this is the be-all end all of the game. It doesn't pay, it's a massive time sink, and let's not forget all those "lovely" additional random NPC interdictions you get happening once you sign up for pretty much any power.
I like the idea of powerplay and would love to participate in it. But it's so weird and losing half your merits is a very strange game mechanic. Also the bonusses don't seem that interesting to me. i love exploration the most so i wanna join the exploration guy but his rewards are not interesting at all lol. Engineers now that's a good addition to the game. you can use various gameplay to rank up and it's not rediculously time consuming. Offcourse we have the internet to look up where and how to find mats and stuff, without it it would much harder.
I started hauling RP for Zach Hudson; after arriving in the home system (From Eravate) and realizing I could only haul 10 units at a time in a ship that could haul 104 cargo I quit RP.
You can use the 'fast track' option to buy as much units as you can carry.
I've been with Torval since when she used to be 6th on the Power Play :P I'd say power play is somewhat cool, if you think that expanding, controlling, and raising the profit of systems within the power to then which said power could then get better commodities, engineers and ship/modules due to better controlled systems with higher profit.
Spot on as usual Yamiks. You not included one fun fact about the "hauling" way of doing merits. You may be given cargo that NO ONE AT THE GIVEN TIME accepts at all as, let's say, faction could not expand but it still gave out expansion cargo. Thanks to that you can end up with a cargo hold of useless crap that you have to vent, because Powerplay interface does not prevent you from buying those things even if they are not usable in the cycle. I think that it makes it even more fun! Frontier and their designs...
I'm pretty new to powerplay, so I didn't knew about the chopping. I just saw the rewards and tought "hey, thats pretty good". Grinded a whole week transporting porn and got to 2500 merits working my ass off. Today I have 1250 merits...
FUCK POWERPLAY! never again.
02:07 - "The Hammer malfunctioned". Sorry to hear that dude. Dont worry, though. It happens to all men at some point in their life. You will be fine.
They call it ED for a reason
i'm new to this game and have only been playing about a month, but came up with a solution for powerplay - add merits to community goals. say for every 100 tons you haul or every number of bounties turned in during a community goal, you get 20 merits. i know this video was made a long time ago, and you probably won't even see my comment, but i think there is a way to add merits to community goals and thus make powerplay grind a little easier.
Thank you ... you made the video my soul was crying out for.
This is the worst feature in the game imho. The fact you have to do it to gain access to alternative modules makes my sick to my core.
Great & true clip :)
I recall when I bought the game I eventually realised how to pick one to go for & had a reason. I did one run & gave it up as tedious.
1-2 years later, still haven't returned to it & now don't even recall why I picked the one I did.
/failol.
Thanks for the heads up. I was curious about power play, but I won't be touching it
Heh, I've been fast tracking commodities to get from rank 1 to 5 in order to get that triple price exploration data payout with LYR. I've estimated I have enough to cover the cost and then some. It's boring, but not as soul crushingly boring as trying to reach any rank without the fast tracking. With my big Type-9 hauls it feels like I'm actually having some impact on those systems. Carrying around all that exploration data also makes adds great deal of tension to being interdicted as well. Still, I think this will be only an one time experiment.
Really, they should have simply tied the powerplay to the mission system. In systems controlled by the power, you would get power missions that give you merits instead of rep. Also there could be 2 levels of participation: employee and investor. Employee just does the missions and gets paid and gets some merits for it. Investor would invest his money on a specific system for merits. The system would then generate more missions the next cycle, and if enough of the missions would be successful the investment would turn some profit the cycle after that. And yes, it should be permissible to grind your own missions to make them succeed.
I also agree with many others that the merit degradation is too harsh. Maybe it could degrade 50% if you did nothing, but if you earned even one merit in the cycle, the degradation would be 10% or something like that.
I did not understand the in-game description so I was searching for a tutorial or "how to" that would explain powerplay. This video is the first one I found. After watching this suddenly I do not want to do powerplay anymore.
On a different topic: Is E:D officially a finished product or are we in some kind of alpha / open beta / quality testing / pre-release version? Because the game feels full of "placeholder game mechanics" that would hopefully be replaced some day.
What is different between this and regular Elite Dangerous gameplay? Grind vs more grind?
imagine if all the RANKS, money, faction influence would get CUT in half every week.......?
dont get me wrong. I agree. I just think it's all grind, its all shit. I dont see any real reason to keep playing this game other than to see the wonderful visuals. I also like the controls of the ship. But other than that the gameplay is just not there. Compare the market to a market like the one in the X series where you can clearly see an effect for every transaction the effect is also part of the game play.
Helder Perez difference is X doesn’t have the same freedom. It’s much more limited in scope.
Yeah, it's needed an overhaul for ages.
I'm an alliance man, which means that I'm stuck with the hauling task, and honestly I hate having to pay in order to get any kind of decent merit gain, PLUS having to do it frequently every week in order to keep a rank that's high enough to get the trade vouchers bonus.
If the merits didn't degrade or you didn't have to pay or something it wouldn't be so bad, I guess. But either way, it's not really fun to do for long periods of time, and the fact you LOSE money in order to keep the trade vouchers which are basically just going to win you back the money you spent....It's pretty worthless.
Also, the fact that some Powers have amazing modules (Prismatic shields) and others, like Mahon, have stuff that's generally kind of crap doesn't help matters at all.
I'd love for Powerplay to be fun and rewarding, but it's neither right now. :(
Well, 3 years later this is still true, this is depressing
I tryed to pledge for prismatic shields, but after a couple of days of this I've decided that it was better to lose 7.5 milion already invested than carry on with this nosense for a month ( that is just for unlocking temporarely one module )
I'll watch the paint dry, is more rewarding
You know whats really shit: the player group station creation mechanics. Well really any player group in-game mechanics. Creating any kind of influence in the game requires direct influence on frontier developments. Funny how exclusive game devs are...
I didn't know PP was still a thing. I thought it died a slow, agonizing death last year after the Engineers dropped.
Just doing it for Pack hounds, Imperial hammer, PSG and Adv Plasma Accelerator. See you in four months when I actually have all four.
i was kinda invested in powerplay when i started, but before i sided with anyone i learnt i'd get interdicted a bunch, and having only saved up half of a cobra, wasn't interested in trading unmolested space travel, for the opportunity to grind for a sidegrade or a bonus from some space weirdo
there is more grind in Elite?! What a news! I heard nothing about powerplay
You actually don't need to wait for power play ships to spawn with ALD; look for Crime Sweeps in systems marked for Expansion. It's basically a combat zone and these days I think you get 10 merits per kill.
It's still very slow, but it's faster than hunting ships in supercruise.
And regardless of how much of a grind it is, power play will always be shit as long as it can be played in Solo. If anyone ever did take it seriously, it would just become a contest to see who could grind against each other the most (which is way less fun than I just realized that sounds).
So let me get this straight. It's MEANT to be a kind of galaxy spanning war between empires... but in reality I just pay money to pick up cargo, fly one star system over, and drop off the cargo, then repeat until I get prismatic shields (or whatever). Then quit the empire because obviously I have no loyalty or motivation.
Then repeat with another faction.
Amazing.
The fact that power play points decay is the main reason I'm staying out of it, and a big reason I drifted from the game in the first place
Yes, power play is a mess.
They make it too hard to maintain rank for sure. And the activities are... Well, I think the one where you kill the Diplomats can be fun, I've never had trouble finding them but it still gets grating after a few hours.
I think what would really help, is Merit awards for Missions done in the power control system. Maybe with the caveat that only the Controlling Station Faction has merits added to the reward table, and only if that controlling station faction is aligned with the superpower of the controlling galactic power. Right now, you either divide your time up between Normal Content, and Powerplay content, and that's where the big catch is. That makes it even worse.
Horse corpses? That may be the only time I've heard that turn of phrase.
Remember kids don't do drugs , and you can save 15 % discount on ANY module ( including all powerplay modules ) , or ship. Save credits , beat dead horse better , Li Yong-Rui.
Ahh yes. The joyful eagernes after waiting for 4 weeks, that slowly dies down while you hold a button so the count slowly goes up to ten, then clicking once to recieve the stuff you need. Followed by another click to dismiss the notification that you indeed got the stuff. Followed by another click, and spending 100k, just to get the next 10 tons of stuff, so you then can again hold the button for the counter slowly to increase to ten. And repeating that fascinating interesting gamplay until your cargohold, 320t, is full. Then looking for a system that really need the reinforcment because you are now in that faction that you really want to support. Only to find it's 12 Jumps away, but you go for it anyways because it's your faction. Then arraving at the target port hold a button, for what felt like 5 minutes, to unload your 320t of cargo and recieving a meager pay of 32k for you 3.1mio investment. Then flying back empty, because you can't be arsed to look online if there would be some valueble tradegood. And smacking into a star half of the way, because you tabbed out of game because the RUclips video you were watching ended and you needed to start a new one. Then deciding to frag that system, your 750 tons of material won't make a diffrence anyway and go for a system thats only 1 jump away. And then repeating that awful loading process one and a halft times, so you can on the next day buy a module that you might use, or maybe not.
Powerplay a really great experience.
I completely agree with this. Just this moment I've made it to Rank 3 with one Power, time to stock on modules, leave and then do the same with another Power. XD
This is what I do.
Couldn't agree more, Powerplay does suck, constant grinding just to lose half of your merits, then there is the interdictions which mean doing anything else at all is impossible. I want to like it but at this time.....hell no.
Two thoughts.
1) It doesn't feel like "freemium" to me. The hauling bit is part of preparing systems, and the time limit is to ensure that a single player can't singlehandedly prepare a system unless they really, REALLY want to. It has less to do with limiting your merits and more to do with limiting your ability to exert absurd levels of control.
2) Honestly, I don't think powerplay would be that bad if you could just do it on the side. As it stands, though, the constant interdictions at any system outside your power's is something of a deal-breaker. It's kind of in a state where, if you pledge to a power, you're expected to focus on powerplay to the exclusion of all else.
about freemium : it's over exaggerated (when i scripted and recorded) i was quite angry and obviously wanted to make a point...now i'm less angry but still the free2play game features irritate me immensely
power play would work better If we did not have that stupid weekly PROGRESS LOSS & 4 week cap on modules...seriously! (some kind of progression that would take player time to go thru would be interesting replacement for blatant time cap!)
Know what would be better than power play? Aliens. WHERE ARE THE GODDAMN ALIENS ALREADY?!
I cant speak for any other players but I stop at level 3, as thats where the benefits for myself seem to be, like a lot of things in this game if you stop and think and look at it from a different angle you will see the reason for the grind, things arent meant to be easy and handed to you on a plate in this game, the most skilled and/or committed get the good stuff this is why we all start off with a with an E grade Sidey, and not an A grade Anaconda, to me tier 5 is just like a golden carrot dangling in front of you, and its up to you if you really want to jump for it, your informed of what it costs so if you do go for it then its down to you... I myself just wanted the 'hammers' but I also see the reason for the grind, it means only the most commited get to tier 5, and it ensures there wont be too many of them playing dice with the galaxy lets face it as it stands by the time anyone gets there they should be pretty much proficient at it, and you wouldnt want too many players that may not understand the repercussions of rolling the galactic dice of fate would we? yes it costs a lot to get there and even more to stay there, but from my point of view if powerplay was too easy it could be a very bad thing.... the one thing you did touch on that does annoy me with this implementation of powerplay is the play style for the powers is very much the same, infact its exactly as you stated, to me it would be better if playstyle would be more inline with what each of the power stand for, for example, trade or mining for torval , and maybe more combat options for hudson, and lots of pirating, smuggling and looting for Archon, rather than doing the exact same sort of missions with what feels like a different label on them... anyway the nice vid as always btw & keep them coming...
I mainly use Powerplay for orientation in this huge sandboxy galaxy.
Pledged to Pranav Antal because underdogs ftw! And who likes Wining Team Joiners? The Trick with Powerplay is to include it in your daily gameplay.
Look at the subreddits of your faction. If it's made by passionated players it tells you where to go and what to do to strengthen your faction. Doing so will at best result in the rise of your faction on the pp leaderboard.
How? Example:
The system Gallavs needed us to fortify by delivering over 10k t of Dissidents to our capital world every cycle. One hell of a grind which took our time and effort from other projects away. So how to manage this shit? By supporting every minor faction in and around Gallavs that supports our cause. Doing Missions for Dictator-Factions until their influence rises to oppose the faction which controls the system. This starts a civil war. Fighting - wining - flipping the systems government from filthy democrats to noble dictators. After doing so we managed to flip 50% of the surrounding systems including Gallavs itself. And this resulted in a reduction of the necessary fortification-grind from over 10000t to 5000t every cycle. Reducing our effort and making room for other actions every cycle.
So what have we done to reach this point? Missions, fighting in Civil Wars, collecting Bounties and sell it to stations of our supported minor faction, collecting exploration data and sell it to stations of our supported minor faction, trading with stations of our....you name it. Almost everything you can do in this game.
That is what Powerplay is about. I even don't care a lot about those modules you get.
Just sayin'....
Frontier must know about the failure with power play by now? Fingers crossed it gets overhauled soon?! Or scrapped altogether..
Shaun Johnson since nobody power plays anymore, I think frontier just decided to ignore the feature rather than improve or remove it. It’s just kinda sitting there abandoned now.
MapleLeafAce Just seems a big waste to me. Who knows what will happen with it but they really should improve on it at least.
I forgot how shitty power play actually was. Fuck. No wonder I didn't earn any salary when I finally came back to Elite Dangerous on Xbox One after like 4 or more years away. I came in foolishly thinking I'd have a boat load of money waiting for me, and instead had nothing. And of course I came to find that somehow the Alliance of all things somehow is dominating, when it used to be as far as I can remember the Federation. (I have max level Allied status with them still but only got to Petty Officer. I was at 48 percent or something yesterday but managed to get it up to a meager 52 percent after doing a few super easy low paying one or 2 jump cargo missions.)
Thank you for saving me from wasting my time with Powerplay. Now if I could just figure out tourism..
i've gone though and acquired every single unique power play module, it took me about 11 months i think and it was more fun then tossing a decoy grenade in the middle of a group of nc
I think open world BGS is revolutionary. Other games like GTAV must be extremely jealous of such an achievement where all the gangs and clubs are essentially isolated and pointless.
Multiplayer with a selfless purpose is a great concept indeed.
8A Prismatic Shield Generator .... nuff said
pfffff. bi weave does the job just fine. XD
I like Powerplay mainly because the Alliance Discord has lots of nice folk who are slightly messed in the head. Like me. The spreadsheet is our God, and we are faithful. Its joyfulness needs to be combined with BGS for the full numerical excitement though.
Power play is a mess. Which is a shame, some of my best moments in the game were with power play. Everything from organizing bgs attacks on pmfs, to weaponizing aligned pmfs and cultivating underhanded alliances. Power play has so much potential but it's been squandered. For that matter player minor factions as well seem like a squandered opportunity, people should be able to make more interactive groups akin to guilds and power play should've been a lore and CG generator like it was advertised in its trailer. I don't play much ED anymore and it's largely due to the treatment of how BGS bugs are left for months and how power play has been horse shit I've been waiting to turn into unicorn rainbow dust...
Doesn't help that the current setup of powerplay goes against the 'blaze your trail' idealogy FDev has always talked about, with most people not getting to actually contribute much to the state of things. You either listen to the orders some players give you or get hated on for 'not supporting the power'. It really turns me off from participating. And yeah, recently started the merit grind, really hating it.
you can hit rank 4 in no time delivering data from systems to your faction HQ or preparation packages to other systems from your faction HQ and you can do it rather easily too without sacrificing your experience or distracting you from other high paying missions! (or your personal life if you don't wish to dedicate so much time in-game!)
here's a quick run down:
Prep Packages give 1 merit per unit. You start off at Rank 1 with the ability to deliver a maximum of 10 Packages. These package deliveries refresh every half hour and the maximum number increases by 10 with each rank (i.e. rank 2 = 20mphh (Merits per half hour), rank 3 = 40mphh, etc.) So you should be able to deliver about 20mph at rank 1 every hour. If you dedicate 2 hours a day you'd be delivering 40mpd (merits per day) and if you did this for 7 days you'd be delivering about 280mpw (merits per week).
So depending on how much time you dedicate to doing this will determine how quickly you'll get to Rank 4.
Here's a few schedules that might work out for different people:
*Plan 1: The Casual*
Time Dedicated a day: 2 hours
Total Hours per Week: 14 hours
Time between each rank progression:
Rank1>2: 1 week
Rank2>3: 2 weeks
Rank3>4: 3 weeks
Total Time to hit and maintain Rank 4: 6 weeks
*Plan 2: The Weekender*
Time Dedicated Per Day: 2 hours on weekdays, 6 hours on weekends
Total Hours per Week: 22 Hours
Time Between each Rank:
Rank1>2: 1 week
Rank2>3: 1 week
Rank3>4: 1 week
Total time to hit and maintain Rank 4: 3 weeks.
*Plan 3: The Part-Timer*
Time Dedicated Per Day: 3 hours on weekdays, 8 hours on weekends
Total Hours per Week: 31 Hours
Time Between each Rank:
Rank1>2: 1 week
Rank2>4: 1 week
Total time to hit and maintain Rank 4: 2 weeks.
The best part about Plans 2 and 3 is that once you reach rank 4 you can revert back to plan 1 and still maintain rank 4 for as long as you want. Following any one of these plans will pocket you an extra 5 mil credits a week on top of any other jobs you take or bounties you collect on the side.
The part that turns power play into a ball busting grind fest is achieving and maintaining Rank 5. If you wish to hit Rank 5 you'll have to do more than just delivering packets. You may have to earn merits through Killing Hostile agents or Combat in expansion systems. Depending on which system you Kill Hostile agents in can result in hostile ships or system security ships being sent against you. Its a high risk high reward deal as doing so would net you about 30 merits per target killed. to maintain Rank 5 through Killing Hostile agents alone is where it gets frustrating as you'd have to get about 25 kills a day, netting 175 kills a week to bring in 5250 merits a week. I've managed to do this myself and it IS possible, but it would require at minimum 4 hours a day just to accomplish this on combat alone. You could try combining the 2 for a higher merit yield but it would still be very difficult. it would turn into a second job essentially.
Honestly though if you have a high enough combat rating, try finding systems in civil war or civil unrest and take on combat missions instead. Make nice with the locals and you can unlock higher paying combat missions that can net you about 50 mil credits in 2 hours if you have an effective enough combat ship. Doing This will allow you you can skip rank 5 entirely.
For some reason I completely lost it when you said "lobotomize myself with a coat hanger" 😂😂😂
What's fantastic about powerplay is it Could be a fun and interesting element of the game but instead, for some reason, Frontier is actively Choosing for it to be useless and painful. Thanks Frontier!
Is this feature better now? I just started again with ED and I think it kinda looks interesting. I want to work for a faction, might be fun to focus my effort on something.
It's like having a daily job, as an average worker, a 9 to 5 job. Same goes for mining and grinding. You work for shitty money, and in the end not really ending up anywhere. I love it .
That's why everyone jumps on goldrushes.
Always going to have the majority of players pledging to new powers every month and staying at rank 3-4 every week (rank 5 is a joke), this is the only Completion Way.
Powerplay is WWI trench warfare in space. Denton Patreus is in 8th place. Which is where he was more than a year ago when all this started.
Really? Denton Patreus is in 9th place right now, not 8th.
I haven't even looked in weeks. He was in 8th place whenever this video was recorded, he was in 8th place when I started doing powerplay well over a year ago, and I don't think he was ever higher than 7th the entire time I actually worked at it.
So?
So it grew boring as fuck month after month of the same exact grind for virtually nothing to change except to barely hold what we had.
So?
I have no desire to get involved in the power play.
You;'ll have to update this because there's nothing about "But people can Solo in it away from me!!!". Apparently this is the real problem with PP and that alone will fix it...
powerplay is useless yes... but the most important thing you've missed out on this video is the money buffs you can get for participating in it. bonus money for traders by up to 20% (with Mahon) or bonus money for bounty hunters 20% (Larissa) i can't remember exact details for these vouchers (because f*** Powerplay) but i'd be pretty sure that's the only logical reason people willingly participate in it.
Those powers need to be in the top 1-3 positions. If not then you only get 5%. Even taking the 20% bonus of powerplay into account, you can still make more doing other things.
Have the devs commented at all on future changes or tweaks to this system? I am a new player and as I looked into the power play feature it sounded like a good concept but with say other things like life, work or kid on the way it's impossible to sink the time in. was this designed around people who can play 24/7?
Amanda Ward the Dev's only work on features that the player base plays .... so they release a new feature, everyone plays for a week, the players then realise it's shit and only a half arsed attempt and stop playing.
The Dev's then see no one is playing the new feature and start work on the next feature ..... repeat
How to powerplay:
1) Decide if you prefer a good unlock or a good character
2a) If good unlock, pledge to Li Yong Rui for Packhounds
2b) If good character, pledge to Aisling and transport nud...err, propaganda
3a) Play for 4 weeks, buy a dozen packhound launchers, then IMMEDIATELY leave powerplay and never look back
3b) Play forever and enjoy getting your ass shot to shit by people with Packhounds so you can spread Asling's nud...I mean, propaganda far and wide
And that's how to powerplay. No, really. Every other powerplay module sucks (yes, even prismatic shields and imperial hammers, no, idc what you say, they suck) and every other character besides Aisling has an obvious moral flaw that Ms. Perfect Blue-Haired Princess doesn't. If you're not supporting either Aisling, Li, or nobody, you're a horrible person and you should feel accordingly.
Going to go ahead and literally pretend it's not even part of the game. #FixRareMaterials
La seule chose vraiment débile dans cette histoire, c'est qu'il faut attendre 4 semaines pour débloquer un module qui souvent n'est pas extraordinaire !
Sinon, pour avoir rapidement les niveau 2.3.4, ce n'est pas bien compliqué : il suffit d'avoir de la soute et de faire des missions que proposent ceux à qui vous faites allégeance. Pas de combat, juste du transport de tracts, de prisonniers politiques ou du ravitaillement d'un point A à un point B. Avec mon Cuter qui a 780T de soute, c'est très rapide !!!
Powerplay Materials delivery should be more rewarding than it is.
So my choice of being an independent freelance contractor was the correct choice!!!
This game is missing actual wars, with battles and such. Its hard to feel the epic scale of the powers if all you do is go hunting some ships here and there. Let there be battles for planets! That would be more than nice.
all i use power play for is only the useful modules....go to a new faction wait 4 weeks cause my gameplay dont change then spend money to get the 750 merits needed for tier 3 buy the thing and faction hop
lul I have a friend , he is always in cubeo doing PP stuff ....24/7 transporting packages. ...he said he made billions ...but I don't understand. ...the game is more fun without PP.....I remember when I was beginner and always tried to grind for Zachary Hudson. ..it wasn't fun
Spot on... I don't know what FDev were smoking when they came up with this feature (the concept itself is a good one, but the execution sucked beyond words).
The only thing worth having is the shields and that's getting debatable
Better use bi-weave, they charge quicker.
Let's face it. Frontier did a good job with the ships and universe but they don't have a clue as to how to make a decent game. The missions are terrible, PP sucks and Engineers are a tedious grind.
the concept is great but there's something missing from it?
Martin Hague I think it is actual player influence. right now you fight NPCs for an NPC in a game of NPCs. even the player group on is still controles by frontier. if only powers could be actual player groups lead by players making the descisions. powerplay would become much better.
I only do power play occasionally if I want to do combat and I want that 50 mil
The time and effort in making that 50 mil using powerplay, I would have made close to 500 mil doing other things...
it's a shame that a game that has such great atmosphere and world that was built is so shallow when it comes to doing anything meaningful.
talex001 turns out a lot of people like to just mindlessly fly through space. It’s not a dead game by any means, it’s just most of its players don’t want to be as hardcore as the veterans.
been watching a bit of Jim Stirling yamiks?
quite a bit.. in fact while filming b-reel for that hting i was watching his stuff!
One reason for power play, pack hounds. End of reason.
The only reason I even bothered with powerplay was for the sol pass
But to get Sol permit you don't need Powerplay, you need Fed rank.
Why do people see things only by earnings? Powerplay is not about earning. It's about spending your money to achieve political goals - like for example banning slavery...
I love yamiks ranting about shit in elite dangerous :)
XD after 90hours I got my Python and Fer-De-Lance
Fighting fed factions in BGS wars when alined with the federation!?
All this makes me glad to just be a totally freelance mercenary/trader/explorer. Only get interdicted by asshole players that probably would kill me anyway and pirates that I can usually just win the minigame or kill thanks to the fact that they usually scale with me.
Messerschmid Orbital, that's where I park all my shit.
Powerplay literally is just idle money in your pocket for doing little effort.
3:42 "yoy" sob