To top off the scene...as Seymour turns back from the door to take in what just happened....Audrey burps real loud, the music stops, and Mr. Mushnik's shoes come flying out!
Seymour definitely looks much more complicit in Mushnik's death here. It's pretty amazing that Mushnik isn't even mentioned in the theatrical cut again after he's eaten. They clearly did not want to remind audiences of Mushnik's death in the "happy ending" version so that Seymour could more easily be seen as the hero again in the end. The scene of him bleeding in the dream sequence and the line Audrey says about Seymour telling her Mushnik went on vacation were also cut. In the director's cut, seeing Mushnik's death this way would've made Seymour's "I've done terrible things" line make more sense.
@@Foxy02016 It's apparently in the Broadway version, but that word did not make it into the movie version. My comment was confusing, but I was saying the "chlorophyll" lyric was wisely left out of the movie version of the song because it was not a very effective lyric compared to this one using "spores."
When you get stabbed....you don't screen from pain...you ghasp from shock, then kinda panic a bit because it sees weird was your body around the injury goes numb, at first...yeah ...I know...
This uncut scene is way more terrifying than it is. First off, let's address the fact this scene is longer and slower paced, Really setting the tone and atmosphere. Second, Mushnik getting eaten is already bad enough, but his screaming sounds so real, that it makes want to either look away or help him. That sent chills down my neck. And to top it all off, the fact that his screams when Audrey II is swallows him CAN STILL BE HEARD AND THEN FADES is down right blood curdling. If the lighting was darker, or the light in the shop was off This would have been a real nightmare inducing.
Wow! This was certainly interesting. Makes me wish they would have put this into the Director's Cut while the other version of the scene stays in the other cut.
I agree, there's a lot more back and forth between the plant and Seymour in this version which makes it clear what happens to Mushnik is very intentional. It's also the intended version of the scene, so it really should have been restored with the ending
Thank you for subscribing! I'm currently working on restoring Orin's intended death scene, as well as a seperate video were I discuss the differences to the final version and the effect they have.
it’s all the little things about this scene I love oohhhh my god, the way the tongue curls in a sort of beckoning motion?? the way the vines hang behind mushnik’s back so if he did try to step back or not lean forward he’d get pushed in anyways, ohh my god i love this channel so much
I get why they kind of edited out a little of this for the theatrical cut, but the mushnik dying part not saying a dumb one liner was just fine, and also the part after where Seymour looks horrified at what he just helped do. Before this he'd killed Orin, and as Audrey II put it about deserving to die, the "sure you do" part etc, I mean c'mon. It was suppertime then. This though, was actually kinda sad. Not that Mushknik is really a well developed character, but you can understand what is going on here, especially having no clue whatsoever he was etched on a talking plant to go for it and fed it to him to keep the money/dream/etc going.
This is really interesting. I always thought the movie's theatrical ending was more fitting because Seymour isn't as complicit in the murders, he's sort of a bystander so he doesn't deserve such a harsh punishment. The original cut definitely muddles things significantly. I still think the original ending is a bit over the top and ridiculous as opposed to the stage musical's more subtle ending preceding the curtain call that dissolved the tension, but they set up for it a lot better. I'd love to see the test screening cut sometime, this is one of my favorite musicals and even with the changes, I still think the movie is a really good adaptation.
I think thats a really good explanation of it. When I watched the movie version of "Sweeney Todd", the abrupt credits(without even the song "Ballad of Sweeney Todd")or the scene with the cops arriving in the basement left me tense for a while after and just staring at the screen for a few minutes. Just totally dark. While I can understand them making Seymour less complicit in the happy ending, I wish they had left this cut in the special edition release with the original musicals ending of 2 taking over the world. Even the bluray of "Little Shop"with the original ending has a sort of curtain call with the little clips of the actors from the movie during the end credits. It's a shame they didn't have a full cut with this scene and the full song of "The Meek Shall Inherit"(which shows a painting of Mushnik dripping blood, adding to Seymours guilt.) In either cut, Seymour never even mentions him again, except to confirm that Audrey 2 ate them in the original cut. I expect they cut out "Mushnik and Son"so Seymour wouldn't be blamed for killing a father figure too and just a greedy bastard trying to steal his plant and the fortunes it was making(as the original play simply had Mushnik asking Seymour to come to the police station to set his(Mushnik's)mind at ease about his worries that Scrivello had died.)
@@phousefilms There are two very solid movies that deserve to be seen and they both have something to contribute. Like I said, making Don't Feed the Plant so over the top kind of ruins the subtlety the rest of the show has (which is a huge reason it works on stage), but it's still a solid movie and there's definitely a place for the crazy ending, even if it doesn't quite work.
The original 23 minute ending of the movie is much closer to the musical. But they ran it for 2 test audiences and they hated the end. The studio literally would not have released the movie without the happier ending. Frank Oz has stated how he much prefers the original but his hands were tied.
i watched this movie when i was 8 and as if *this* scene didn't shake me up enough the sounds and scream Mr. Muchnik would have pushed it further. good god
@@yian95954 like I said it was the theatrical one I watched. I meant if this scene was in the theatrical release I would have been shaken up, the theatrical one I watched a child had me shaken by watching Mushink's death in the theatrical cut. but if it were this video replacing the scene that would have pushed it further. that's what I'm saying I didn't see what this was until a couple days ago
oh man thank you so much for uploading this! so interesting to see. i'm compiling workprints for a master cut of the film right now that includes all of the deleted footage and this so useful :) thank you!
@@jasoncook7378 damn i never actually did end up finishing it, just never got around to doing it hahah but it's something i'm still interested in doing. i'm happy to update you through a future comment once i get around to it!
From 5:13-5:14, the look on Seymour's face was like he was saying "oh no, my boss is dead and gone, now I will never get paid again", haha. But I guess Seymour only gave that look because he was shaken up with a mixture of almost getting reported by the police, being forced to move away, and scared to see that the plant is a human eating plant.
It all does in quality comparable to this; ruclips.net/video/QKqHZcXvUAs/видео.html at the Library of Congress. Except the falling with money part of the dream sequence, where the best that's currently known to exist would be John Smith's before RUclips compression. Everything might still exist in negative at Warner Bros, but the guy in charge of finding stuff for the Blu-Ray said they never came across any material from the dream sequence. He did say he'd like to find it for a future release though.
Warner Brothers wasn't confident in releasing a dark movie so they pretty much went back and scrubbed everything. They also turned Seymour into a non-character by trying to paint it out like he didn't have a hand in Orin and Mushnik's deaths. The release version overdubs Orin's harsh guttural asphyxiation with a sillier and less garish delivery, cuts his line "Seymour, help me!", adds a comical sound effect when his mask deflates after he dies and an overzealous music cue when he dies, and replaces Seymour's face of relief with a reshot close up of shock. In the release version of Suppertime, much of the stalling from Seymour you see here and the clear shots of Seymour walking Mushnik toward the plant were removed. The shots of the plants mouth getting more open and closer were removed. Seymour saying "Sir?" before the plant closes was added to make it seem like Seymour was warning Mushnik away from the plant. Seymour's reaction to the plant closing on Mushnik in the release version is horrified surprise rather than expecting it. Mushnik's screaming out for assistance from Seymour was overdubbed with the less serious "Wait wait, hold it!". The shot of Seymour banging on the door in guilt was removed.
@@seymourkrelborn4780 Although the changes were small ones here and there it's a shame they felt the need to do that. I didn't even know they did that I just thought it was the ending they changed after the test screening. I mean it's understandable to an extent because I'm sure they felt that the audience needed something to root for. In the end though I don't think it really makes Seymour less likeable. Simply because he's not evil he's simply a flawed human as we all are, and like everyone he doesn't always make the right decision/gets caught up in situations. Hopefully the remake sticks to the darker tone and has the "real" darker ending. I think dark comedies are fascinating and special. Simply because they're unique and difficult to make. You need to find the right balance/ratio between the humor and horror.
@@Jekyll08 Yeah, most people only know about the change of the ending. Really, a lot more should have been done for the 2012 "Director's Cut" Blu-Ray (I use quotes because director Frank Oz didn't even make it). In my opinion, one of the most important differences between the Original Intended Cut, and the Theatrical Cut, is the voice of the opening narration. As Alan Menkin (the song writer of the movie) once said, "The first 10 seconds set up the audience's expectations for the rest of the movie". Original intended narration: ruclips.net/video/T_gcxqrFNXU/видео.html Redub used by the Theatrical cut: ruclips.net/video/sG0FBhDp3HU/видео.html
@@seymourkrelborn4780 Hm, that's another thing I didn't know. Well, it's something I never realized I knew. In other words I noticed a difference, but didn't think anything of it because I simply thought; "Oh, well the soundtrack usually sounds different than the actual theatrical version." It's interesting because the theatrical is like the typical 50's narrator whereas the original sounds like they were going for a Vincent Price style. I definitely prefer the original because it matches the tone the movie is SUPPOSE to be. It's a DARK COMEDY so it does what it should do in that it starts out dark to set the tone, but then does a 180 on you, and plays upbeat music with a dark, depressing setting.
@@Jekyll08 The dumbest change they made, in my opinion, is the removal of the lightning sound effects during the feeding of Orin's body to the plant, to make it less horrific. Seriously, the lightning still flashes but it doesn't make any sound. It feels really unprofessional. They also changed the music in that scene from grungy to funky, and cut some of the more gruesome bits, though those changes don't look like a mistake the way the missing sound effects do.
I often wondered why not stick with the original story. But as it's been said, Frank Oz took the "happy" ending where Audrey and Seymour live out their dreams. It's a bit away from the original 1960 movie, where Seymour was the last serving for the plant, with a flower taking on his face, leaving Audrey, Mushnik, and a few patrons to stand in awe and fear of what had happened. As it is in real life, the villain gets off scot free, and only a few actually get caught, tried in court, and are punished. This movie/play ain't one of them.
Frank Oz and Howard Ashman wanted Seymour to die at the end and actually filmed it. It was Warner Brothers that mandated the happy ending and reshot for it.
@@seymourkrelborn4780 I wouldn't say it was WB alone. Frank himself realized his mistake when test audiences loved the movie...up until Audrey's death. He's been quoted as saying he didn't realize that stage and film would play out so differently--that onstage, the actors would come out for a curtain call, which would relieve the tension. But on film, there was no curtain call...nothing but the death of characters the audience had grown to care about. (I'm also guessing that the up-close nature of film only increased the audience's affection for the characters, and that the ending, which bypassed the rather tongue-in-cheek nature of the play's finale, showed entirely too much footage of completely innocent people being killed and menaced.)
Hm... this version definitely makes Seymour more culpable. It's slower paced and puts a lot more emphasis on how Seymour is tempted to get rid of Mushnik, meaning he had more time to back out of murder or at least say something else. That said, it still makes Mushnik into WAY more of an asshole than he is in the play. As far as Mr. Mushnik knows, he's letting an axe murderer go free so that he can keep banking off the plant, or even possibly, he's planning to let Seymour think he's off scott-free and then going to tell the police about the evidence anyway. Either way, Mushnik is just as much of an asshole as Seymour here, especially since the guy's having a gun held to his back. Thinking about the "true" uncut version, I'm not sure how I would have felt about it if I'd been a test audience member. With the play (which I saw first) I'm laughing all the way through, even as characters die, but the movie starts funny then turns bleak right after "Suddenly Seymour." Maybe the movie should have taken Twoey's advice to "lighten up."
They were dismantled and it's parts were given to cast and crew members. Over the years things like teeth and leaves have shown up at auction. One of the Feed Me plants is mostly intact and was on display somewhere last I checked.
@@seymourkrelborn4780 oh well i guess that makes sense, I just wish they were documented, and heck I'll even say have at least the handheld puppet be put up for auction, fans like me would love to have that, (except the giant puppet because of space limitations)
That smith and Wesson 38! special is still a popular gun. I liked this movie and had lot of action, the extended scene looked like real huge Venus fly traps taking over new york
When he startled him in bed. LOL! The plant’s lips looked chapped in the beginning of this clip. “But whatever you do...” I wonder what he was going to say.
@@seymourkrelborn4780 Are the blueprints of the all the sets available? They would be cool to see. And Scanned in HD. The making of mentions that the set is based of Skid row Manhattan. Wonder if it was based on real buildings or just the theme. Also the making of says they filmed 2 days on an existing set wonder what film that was. But not sure if they kept that set for the actual footage in the film. Since they built the set for the film after.
If Mr. Mushnik saw Seymour chopping Orin up, it's surprising he didn't bring the police with him as soon as he walked in at 0:47. Unless maybe he (Mr. Mushnik) only lied to Seymour that he was going to report him to the police but actually had the idea to give him a one way ticket to move away so Mr. Mushnik himself can have the plant for himself which actually was a force to Seymour that Seymour has to agree or he'll report him to the police as Mr. Mushnik said from 3:32-3:34.
What if Seymour is crazy and the plant and the whole thing is in his imagination because some stuff like the plant singing while mr mushnick is there and he doesn’t know and the trio singing too
What are the “cut” bits? Other than hearing him cry, “Seymour!” (which is gruesome, btw), I don’t see how it’s any different than the scene I’ve always... seen, lol
Seymour stalls more (extra dialogue implying his guilt). There are shots of the plants jaws. Seymour doesn't call out "Sir". Seymour's reaction to the chomp is less shocked. After the scene Seymour turns around and bangs on the door in guilt.
Seymour Krelborn ayyyy, thank you. I did notice the extra “whatever you do”s, but I thought it was a glitch, lol. Also noticed the longer shot of Seymour’s reaction (lightly banging the door)... very subtle differences, I wonder why they were cut.... thank you for responding!!! I’ve loved this movie since I was a child, have seen it a million times, and introduced my son to it last night, having no idea that we were actually watching the director’s cut until it the cut scene was actually happening, and my mind has... been... BLOWN!! Oh and he mentioned cleaning the leaves, lol
@@marley92282 These were actually always meant to go with the original ending of the film, they just weren't found and restored for the Blu-Ray in time unfortunately
I made a recut of the final film that removes reshoots where possible, restores the original opening narration, and subtly manipulates the cutting to make the existing scenes match the workprint (aside from the shots used). It also fixes the editing of the original ending. I can upload that and send you the link if you like. I honestly feel like the footage I could use being limited prevented me from over indulging and resulted in the best possible cut of the film.
Question: When I find the workprint on Internet Archive, the ending is the original ending in B&W. Was the ending to this workprint lost and the uploader had to fill in the gap?
They’re talking about doing a remake of this. I personally think that, if it’s true, they should make Audrey II a girl. Think about the dynamics that’ll come with such a subtle yet huge change. After all, no girl likes having competition--especially over a man. And absolutely teetotally NO girl likes getting dumped for another girl. What’s more, “Mean Green Mother” will be much more appropriate now, because when the little buds start blooming into new flowers, Audrey II really IS becoming a mother. Not a bad idea, eh?
Well, there are male versions of Earth's animals that CAN breed babies like dogs, kangaroo, toad, horse, monkey, snake and anything else and hell, there's also HUMANS in that category (well unless your are a transgender or non-binary human.)! So I guess it makes if Audrey 2's species can be apart of them and after all, he is a "Mean Green Mother from OUTER SPACE"! But that also implies that... Audrey 2 is a... trans- *vines break through the roof*
Love how the girls walk in sync with their heels clicking on the pavement in perfect unison.
@Bruce Baginski Yes I love it!
My favorite part 😉
I wonder if Seymour ever told Audrey what happened in the happy version
i think its at least implied since she most likely realized she was going to be the food.@@jonnaking3054
Mushnik’s cries for help as he’s getting eaten sound more believable here than in the final cut.
Not to mention Seymour banging on the door with pain and guilt
The final cut was intentionally altered to be less real, less heavy, in other to suit the replacement ending
Seymour Krelborn He didn’t bang on the Door he was just looking away from the horror he just witnessed.
Not "SEEM" more believable -- they *WERE* more believable... more horrific, terrifying and real, in fact.
To top off the scene...as Seymour turns back from the door to take in what just happened....Audrey burps real loud, the music stops, and Mr. Mushnik's shoes come flying out!
Seymour definitely looks much more complicit in Mushnik's death here. It's pretty amazing that Mushnik isn't even mentioned in the theatrical cut again after he's eaten. They clearly did not want to remind audiences of Mushnik's death in the "happy ending" version so that Seymour could more easily be seen as the hero again in the end. The scene of him bleeding in the dream sequence and the line Audrey says about Seymour telling her Mushnik went on vacation were also cut. In the director's cut, seeing Mushnik's death this way would've made Seymour's "I've done terrible things" line make more sense.
And even he's still guilty in the happy end. The happy end makes me a little mad
I mean yeah in the script Seymour lied to her and forgot about it so when Audrey asks when he’s coming back
@@ursidae97 No he isn’t. “The Meek Shall Inherit” is completely cut down. So there’s no narrative showing him complicit.
@@plawson8577 except for the part where he's complicit
this is the correct take... the movie makes him more sympathetic throughout the film. @@plawson8577
notice how when audrey 2 says "when he's gone, the world will be yours." he looks in the mirror
I never caught that. Nice.
I was watching another video (the original scene) and someone else pointed that out. Every time I watch this scene I can't help but notice that part.
JON Audrey 2 is a boy
@@tiffanesmith7482 they its an asexual plant it has no he or she pronouns
HOLY
"I swear on all my spores, when he's gone the world will be yours." Awesome lyrics.
Another lyric using the word "chlorophyll" in a song that was never used was not as effective. LOL
And what's more Awesome was Audrey II actually looking at the Mirror, so he sing this part for himself
@@zackyvwasin339 that’s a fabulous observation!
@@jedijonesare you talking about Bad? Because I believe it is in a place near when he mentions being green (and Godzilla)
@@Foxy02016 It's apparently in the Broadway version, but that word did not make it into the movie version. My comment was confusing, but I was saying the "chlorophyll" lyric was wisely left out of the movie version of the song because it was not a very effective lyric compared to this one using "spores."
Yeah, hearing him scream would've been more believable instead of him just saying "wait a minute"
(Tooth goes in back)
> Scream in pain for help
Or
> say, "wait, hold it, wait wait"
Eh... imagine the tooth coming back out and ripping out his spinal cord
Seymour Krelborn Scream in pain for help.
@@seymourkrelborn4780 that sounds painful
(also 2 years! im a bit late.)
When you get stabbed....you don't screen from pain...you ghasp from shock, then kinda panic a bit because it sees weird was your body around the injury goes numb, at first...yeah
...I know...
That "of course not sir" completely changes the scene
How so?
It makes Seymour responsible for Mushnik dying instead of in the actual movie where he’s a bystander
@@JAKECOT_CENTER true. Seymour was less malicious in the film so I liked the happy ending
@@dragondavidisawesome Less malicious? he was a whimpy weasly little coward.
@@JNJG1999 who fed people to a monster…
This uncut scene is way more terrifying than it is. First off, let's address the fact this scene is longer and slower paced, Really setting the tone and atmosphere. Second, Mushnik getting eaten is already bad enough, but his screaming sounds so real, that it makes want to either look away or help him. That sent chills down my neck. And to top it all off, the fact that his screams when Audrey II is swallows him CAN STILL BE HEARD AND THEN FADES is down right blood curdling. If the lighting was darker, or the light in the shop was off This would have been a real nightmare inducing.
If I was a kid and saw this I’d be scared. But now as an adult and extreme horror fan this would’ve been awesome!!
I love it too, much cooler version
Wow! This was certainly interesting. Makes me wish they would have put this into the Director's Cut while the other version of the scene stays in the other cut.
I agree, there's a lot more back and forth between the plant and Seymour in this version which makes it clear what happens to Mushnik is very intentional. It's also the intended version of the scene, so it really should have been restored with the ending
Thank you for subscribing! I'm currently working on restoring Orin's intended death scene, as well as a seperate video were I discuss the differences to the final version and the effect they have.
@@seymourkrelborn4780 Neat! I look forward to it. :)
@@ejl423 Thank you! :D
@@seymourkrelborn4780 Anytime!
it’s all the little things about this scene I love oohhhh my god, the way the tongue curls in a sort of beckoning motion?? the way the vines hang behind mushnik’s back so if he did try to step back or not lean forward he’d get pushed in anyways, ohh my god i love this channel so much
I get why they kind of edited out a little of this for the theatrical cut, but the mushnik dying part not saying a dumb one liner was just fine, and also the part after where Seymour looks horrified at what he just helped do. Before this he'd killed Orin, and as Audrey II put it about deserving to die, the "sure you do" part etc, I mean c'mon. It was suppertime then. This though, was actually kinda sad. Not that Mushknik is really a well developed character, but you can understand what is going on here, especially having no clue whatsoever he was etched on a talking plant to go for it and fed it to him to keep the money/dream/etc going.
This is really interesting. I always thought the movie's theatrical ending was more fitting because Seymour isn't as complicit in the murders, he's sort of a bystander so he doesn't deserve such a harsh punishment. The original cut definitely muddles things significantly. I still think the original ending is a bit over the top and ridiculous as opposed to the stage musical's more subtle ending preceding the curtain call that dissolved the tension, but they set up for it a lot better. I'd love to see the test screening cut sometime, this is one of my favorite musicals and even with the changes, I still think the movie is a really good adaptation.
I think thats a really good explanation of it. When I watched the movie version of "Sweeney Todd", the abrupt credits(without even the song "Ballad of Sweeney Todd")or the scene with the cops arriving in the basement left me tense for a while after and just staring at the screen for a few minutes. Just totally dark.
While I can understand them making Seymour less complicit in the happy ending, I wish they had left this cut in the special edition release with the original musicals ending of 2 taking over the world. Even the bluray of "Little Shop"with the original ending has a sort of curtain call with the little clips of the actors from the movie during the end credits. It's a shame they didn't have a full cut with this scene and the full song of "The Meek Shall Inherit"(which shows a painting of Mushnik dripping blood, adding to Seymours guilt.) In either cut, Seymour never even mentions him again, except to confirm that Audrey 2 ate them in the original cut.
I expect they cut out "Mushnik and Son"so Seymour wouldn't be blamed for killing a father figure too and just a greedy bastard trying to steal his plant and the fortunes it was making(as the original play simply had Mushnik asking Seymour to come to the police station to set his(Mushnik's)mind at ease about his worries that Scrivello had died.)
@@phousefilms There are two very solid movies that deserve to be seen and they both have something to contribute. Like I said, making Don't Feed the Plant so over the top kind of ruins the subtlety the rest of the show has (which is a huge reason it works on stage), but it's still a solid movie and there's definitely a place for the crazy ending, even if it doesn't quite work.
The original 23 minute ending of the movie is much closer to the musical. But they ran it for 2 test audiences and they hated the end. The studio literally would not have released the movie without the happier ending. Frank Oz has stated how he much prefers the original but his hands were tied.
This is my favorite scene. The singers made it amazing
i watched this movie when i was 8 and as if *this* scene didn't shake me up enough the sounds and scream Mr. Muchnik would have pushed it further. good god
Theatrical or original? With deleted scenes?
@@yian95954 like I said it was the theatrical one I watched. I meant if this scene was in the theatrical release I would have been shaken up, the theatrical one I watched a child had me shaken by watching Mushink's death in the theatrical cut. but if it were this video replacing the scene that would have pushed it further. that's what I'm saying I didn't see what this was until a couple days ago
oh man thank you so much for uploading this! so interesting to see. i'm compiling workprints for a master cut of the film right now that includes all of the deleted footage and this so useful :) thank you!
Oh! You're welcome. I've been doing something similar. Thank you for watching!!
Did you finish your master cut yet?
@@jasoncook7378 damn i never actually did end up finishing it, just never got around to doing it hahah but it's something i'm still interested in doing. i'm happy to update you through a future comment once i get around to it!
@@helloitsmrcat Thank you! Would be great to see.
From 5:13-5:14, the look on Seymour's face was like he was saying "oh no, my boss is dead and gone, now I will never get paid again", haha. But I guess Seymour only gave that look because he was shaken up with a mixture of almost getting reported by the police, being forced to move away, and scared to see that the plant is a human eating plant.
1:45 He knows your life of criiiiiiiiimmmme!!!
1:50 I THINK it's SUPPER TIIIIIIIIIIMMMME!!!
The plant says Mushnik knows too much and never Extort Seymoure
God damn, I wish these bits existed in high quality.
It all does in quality comparable to this;
ruclips.net/video/QKqHZcXvUAs/видео.html
at the Library of Congress.
Except the falling with money part of the dream sequence, where the best that's currently known to exist would be John Smith's before RUclips compression.
Everything might still exist in negative at Warner Bros, but the guy in charge of finding stuff for the Blu-Ray said they never came across any material from the dream sequence. He did say he'd like to find it for a future release though.
His final scream as he gets slurped down is the icing on the cake.
A shame that they cut it when they changed the ending
That is great! Congrats
Thank you so much!! :D
Seymour Krelborn you’re welcome
This scene was better! The screams were incredible! Why didn't they keep it in the movie?!
Warner Brothers wasn't confident in releasing a dark movie so they pretty much went back and scrubbed everything. They also turned Seymour into a non-character by trying to paint it out like he didn't have a hand in Orin and Mushnik's deaths.
The release version overdubs Orin's harsh guttural asphyxiation with a sillier and less garish delivery, cuts his line "Seymour, help me!", adds a comical sound effect when his mask deflates after he dies and an overzealous music cue when he dies, and replaces Seymour's face of relief with a reshot close up of shock. In the release version of Suppertime, much of the stalling from Seymour you see here and the clear shots of Seymour walking Mushnik toward the plant were removed. The shots of the plants mouth getting more open and closer were removed. Seymour saying "Sir?" before the plant closes was added to make it seem like Seymour was warning Mushnik away from the plant. Seymour's reaction to the plant closing on Mushnik in the release version is horrified surprise rather than expecting it. Mushnik's screaming out for assistance from Seymour was overdubbed with the less serious "Wait wait, hold it!". The shot of Seymour banging on the door in guilt was removed.
@@seymourkrelborn4780 Although the changes were small ones here and there it's a shame they felt the need to do that. I didn't even know they did that I just thought it was the ending they changed after the test screening. I mean it's understandable to an extent because I'm sure they felt that the audience needed something to root for. In the end though I don't think it really makes Seymour less likeable. Simply because he's not evil he's simply a flawed human as we all are, and like everyone he doesn't always make the right decision/gets caught up in situations. Hopefully the remake sticks to the darker tone and has the "real" darker ending. I think dark comedies are fascinating and special. Simply because they're unique and difficult to make. You need to find the right balance/ratio between the humor and horror.
@@Jekyll08 Yeah, most people only know about the change of the ending.
Really, a lot more should have been done for the 2012 "Director's Cut" Blu-Ray (I use quotes because director Frank Oz didn't even make it).
In my opinion, one of the most important differences between the Original Intended Cut, and the Theatrical Cut, is the voice of the opening narration. As Alan Menkin (the song writer of the movie) once said, "The first 10 seconds set up the audience's expectations for the rest of the movie".
Original intended narration:
ruclips.net/video/T_gcxqrFNXU/видео.html
Redub used by the Theatrical cut:
ruclips.net/video/sG0FBhDp3HU/видео.html
@@seymourkrelborn4780 Hm, that's another thing I didn't know. Well, it's something I never realized I knew. In other words I noticed a difference, but didn't think anything of it because I simply thought; "Oh, well the soundtrack usually sounds different than the actual theatrical version." It's interesting because the theatrical is like the typical 50's narrator whereas the original sounds like they were going for a Vincent Price style. I definitely prefer the original because it matches the tone the movie is SUPPOSE to be. It's a DARK COMEDY so it does what it should do in that it starts out dark to set the tone, but then does a 180 on you, and plays upbeat music with a dark, depressing setting.
@@Jekyll08 The dumbest change they made, in my opinion, is the removal of the lightning sound effects during the feeding of Orin's body to the plant, to make it less horrific.
Seriously, the lightning still flashes but it doesn't make any sound. It feels really unprofessional.
They also changed the music in that scene from grungy to funky, and cut some of the more gruesome bits, though those changes don't look like a mistake the way the missing sound effects do.
I often wondered why not stick with the original story. But as it's been said, Frank Oz took the "happy" ending where Audrey and Seymour live out their dreams. It's a bit away from the original 1960 movie, where Seymour was the last serving for the plant, with a flower taking on his face, leaving Audrey, Mushnik, and a few patrons to stand in awe and fear of what had happened.
As it is in real life, the villain gets off scot free, and only a few actually get caught, tried in court, and are punished. This movie/play ain't one of them.
Frank Oz and Howard Ashman wanted Seymour to die at the end and actually filmed it. It was Warner Brothers that mandated the happy ending and reshot for it.
@@seymourkrelborn4780 I wouldn't say it was WB alone. Frank himself realized his mistake when test audiences loved the movie...up until Audrey's death. He's been quoted as saying he didn't realize that stage and film would play out so differently--that onstage, the actors would come out for a curtain call, which would relieve the tension. But on film, there was no curtain call...nothing but the death of characters the audience had grown to care about. (I'm also guessing that the up-close nature of film only increased the audience's affection for the characters, and that the ending, which bypassed the rather tongue-in-cheek nature of the play's finale, showed entirely too much footage of completely innocent people being killed and menaced.)
Hm... this version definitely makes Seymour more culpable. It's slower paced and puts a lot more emphasis on how Seymour is tempted to get rid of Mushnik, meaning he had more time to back out of murder or at least say something else.
That said, it still makes Mushnik into WAY more of an asshole than he is in the play. As far as Mr. Mushnik knows, he's letting an axe murderer go free so that he can keep banking off the plant, or even possibly, he's planning to let Seymour think he's off scott-free and then going to tell the police about the evidence anyway. Either way, Mushnik is just as much of an asshole as Seymour here, especially since the guy's having a gun held to his back.
Thinking about the "true" uncut version, I'm not sure how I would have felt about it if I'd been a test audience member. With the play (which I saw first) I'm laughing all the way through, even as characters die, but the movie starts funny then turns bleak right after "Suddenly Seymour." Maybe the movie should have taken Twoey's advice to "lighten up."
Plus in the play Seymour was just go to jail here he’d be executed and in the play Mushniks only doing it to clear his conscious
I wonder what happened to the Audrey 2 puppets after the movie? I tried looking it up, but found nothing, unless I'm not looking hard enough
They were dismantled and it's parts were given to cast and crew members. Over the years things like teeth and leaves have shown up at auction. One of the Feed Me plants is mostly intact and was on display somewhere last I checked.
@@seymourkrelborn4780 oh well i guess that makes sense, I just wish they were documented, and heck I'll even say have at least the handheld puppet be put up for auction, fans like me would love to have that, (except the giant puppet because of space limitations)
@@c63655 The one from the radio show?
@@seymourkrelborn4780 yeah the one that he carried
@@c63655 Same, even a non-functioning replica would be cool
I'm sure Mushnik must have died from a broken spine before getting devoured by Twoey - those jaws looked brutal when they were chomping on him
That smith and Wesson 38! special is still a popular gun. I liked this movie and had lot of action, the extended scene looked like real huge Venus fly traps taking over new york
WAS HE SCREAMING EVEN WHEN HE WAS BEING SWALLOWED UNTIL HE WAS GONE?
Yes 😰
Are Audrey II ' s lips wetter? Seems like the plant is drooling more in this version.
The one dislike is Mr Mushnik
I definitely like this version better, especially when Mushnik cries out for help, since it's a more believable reaction than just "Wait, wait!" lmao
I can actually see why they didn't want to put this in the movie........they wet their self watching it
imagine the real ending in theaters
When he startled him in bed. LOL! The plant’s lips looked chapped in the beginning of this clip. “But whatever you do...” I wonder what he was going to say.
Where did you find these workprints?
hardiehardley I have a friend who has a friend, they aren't publicly available
Drats.
@@hardiehardley 1 of the earlier more unfinished work prints is now on Internet Archive :)
@@seymourkrelborn4780 Are the blueprints of the all the sets available? They would be cool to see. And Scanned in HD.
The making of mentions that the set is based of Skid row Manhattan. Wonder if it was based on real buildings or just the theme.
Also the making of says they filmed 2 days on an existing set wonder what film that was. But not sure if they kept that set for the actual footage in the film. Since they built the set for the film after.
If Mr. Mushnik saw Seymour chopping Orin up, it's surprising he didn't bring the police with him as soon as he walked in at 0:47. Unless maybe he (Mr. Mushnik) only lied to Seymour that he was going to report him to the police but actually had the idea to give him a one way ticket to move away so Mr. Mushnik himself can have the plant for himself which actually was a force to Seymour that Seymour has to agree or he'll report him to the police as Mr. Mushnik said from 3:32-3:34.
I love this film
In movie: Wait, wait, wait! 5:05
This version should have been in the director's cut. In this version, Seymour is definitely guilty for Mushnik's death.
What if Seymour is crazy and the plant and the whole thing is in his imagination because some stuff like the plant singing while mr mushnick is there and he doesn’t know and the trio singing too
Unseen cut from the workprint
The background singers are actually singing live
Tisha Campbell 4sure
What are the “cut” bits? Other than hearing him cry, “Seymour!” (which is gruesome, btw), I don’t see how it’s any different than the scene I’ve always... seen, lol
Seymour stalls more (extra dialogue implying his guilt). There are shots of the plants jaws. Seymour doesn't call out "Sir". Seymour's reaction to the chomp is less shocked. After the scene Seymour turns around and bangs on the door in guilt.
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Seymour Krelborn ayyyy, thank you. I did notice the extra “whatever you do”s, but I thought it was a glitch, lol. Also noticed the longer shot of Seymour’s reaction (lightly banging the door)... very subtle differences, I wonder why they were cut.... thank you for responding!!! I’ve loved this movie since I was a child, have seen it a million times, and introduced my son to it last night, having no idea that we were actually watching the director’s cut until it the cut scene was actually happening, and my mind has... been... BLOWN!!
Oh and he mentioned cleaning the leaves, lol
@@marley92282 Hahah
@@marley92282 These were actually always meant to go with the original ending of the film, they just weren't found and restored for the Blu-Ray in time unfortunately
Wonder what would happen if Mushnick found the truth about Audrey 2? Or if Seymour took the advantage to hack down Audrey 2 while distracted
I love how Audrey 2 tongue is basically beckoning.
Is there a full edit of the movie this mixes the workprint and final cut?
I made a recut of the final film that removes reshoots where possible, restores the original opening narration, and subtly manipulates the cutting to make the existing scenes match the workprint (aside from the shots used). It also fixes the editing of the original ending.
I can upload that and send you the link if you like.
I honestly feel like the footage I could use being limited prevented me from over indulging and resulted in the best possible cut of the film.
HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO RECORD THIS WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING IN THE 60s?
gatchy watchy entertainment bieber brothers this is from 86
Armoured Titan Flugel der freiheit
It takes place in the 60s smart @$$
gatchy watchy entertainment bieber brothers
No u
@@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 During JFK's presidentcy from 1961 - 1963
80s
So much better than the final cut. The build up was scary but Mr Mushnik’s reaction wasn’t very realistic, making his death less scary.
hmm im not sure about unseen, but i remember seeing this scene play out exactly as it did here when i watched it on tv as a kid in the 90s
This was not cut out of the original film.😅
Question: When I find the workprint on Internet Archive, the ending is the original ending in B&W. Was the ending to this workprint lost and the uploader had to fill in the gap?
Ending wasn't shot yet when the working was made
@@seymourkrelborn4780 Ok, thank you.
@@themoviemason You're welcome :)
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Is this brick Mornis
Should've been in the directors cut
This might sound mean but I really didn’t feel bad for Orin or Mr. Mushnick when they died each of them where terrible in their own way
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(But hey, the video has more of the context for those who want it)
Okay 😐
@@atomicninjazyuranger5418 😐
@@seymourkrelborn4780 Wait, what are we doing???? 😅
Idk 😂
Devil plant
They’re talking about doing a remake of this. I personally think that, if it’s true, they should make Audrey II a girl. Think about the dynamics that’ll come with such a subtle yet huge change. After all, no girl likes having competition--especially over a man. And absolutely teetotally NO girl likes getting dumped for another girl. What’s more, “Mean Green Mother” will be much more appropriate now, because when the little buds start blooming into new flowers, Audrey II really IS becoming a mother. Not a bad idea, eh?
Well, there are male versions of Earth's animals that CAN breed babies like dogs, kangaroo, toad, horse, monkey, snake and anything else and hell, there's also HUMANS in that category (well unless your are a transgender or non-binary human.)! So I guess it makes if Audrey 2's species can be apart of them and after all, he is a "Mean Green Mother from OUTER SPACE"!
But that also implies that... Audrey 2 is a... trans- *vines break through the roof*
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