Scan played that game so well it was inspiring to watch. I feel so helpless sometimes against end-game defiler Zerg it's helpful to see someone seem to have all the answers like this.
You know, now that I think about it, I wonder if in Starcraft lore prisoners are fed cooked Zerg in the outer colonies? Kind of like how lobster was fed to prisoners and slaves in the U.S. during colonial times because lobsters were so abundant back then.
In those first few minutes, how big a factor is the lost mining time of all those drones that get pulled? Seems like it's a lot of minerals that don't get mined there, or does it matter due to larva number?
i think the opening actually favors scan pretty heavily. not only did he kill 3 drones but yoon lost so much mining time from pulling so many drones for so long
Artosis, i dont want to watch all of the games of this tournament, but interested in Scan, can u do something about naming the videos? also is there any idea to share replays?
I've started to really enjoy the scrappiness of the Zerg, and how they can hold with like half the supply. So many matches where you see the T supply at 170 and the Z supply at 95 but somehow they're still holding.
"somehow" lol... defiler dark swarm and hydra+lurker allows you to hold positions nearly indefinitely as long as you have something for the defiler to consume... Or as Arty's chat would say, ORANGE CLOUD! 🍊 ☁️
Watching Artosis for a month now, I've come to the same conclusion as him: 5-5 upgrades on marines is worthless against zerg down 100 supply as long as zerg has 2 defilers with consume and dark swarm. You'd have to have omnipresent micro from that point on.
As a low level terran player all of artosis casting about terran is so damn helpfull :). I think science vessel energy is a must get upgrade against zerg. Starting with 63 manna instead of 50 feels so damn safe
For years it was said that Restoration wasn't viable because of medic energy and APM. Why is it that only now is it starting to be used and considered going forward? What's changed?
I've heard it is viable for Battlecruisers, but good question. This matchup is APM heavy, so my guess is that in terms of priority for players it is just lower compared to other actions
jesus christ look how much effort scan had to put to win this match and zerg keep being in game even after losing almost all encounters... plague and dark swarm op
I know this probably isn't even a factor at the higher levels of pro play(or any level really) but i feel like playing red makes the zerg plague better just cause its harder to notice at a glance.
Hydra/Lurker/Defiler comp shown, instant round of almost completely firebats. Hydras do not hit firebats under dark swarm! it is a simple but very good plan!
20:45 oh man, i feel like you gotta repair some of these.. at least like, take 3 of them with no energy back for reps, we can't be losing 6 vessels to hydras and stay ahead... 21:27 looks like he's actually sending everything back after getting plagued again, dying to 1 scourge instead of two is rough (against, ling/lurker/defiler), dying to 1 hydra shot is not acceptable. 21:32 OOF the medics. i've always felt as a viewer, a cheat for watching starcraft, terran losing medics tanks, and vessels is really bad, zerg losing lurkers and defilers is really bad, toss losing goons, templars is really bad. those are units that are supposed to be repeatedly gaining value as the game goes on. The marines dying happens, all the time, it's fine. losing this many medics is painful, although it may be a bit too late for zerg... GG! thanks RT
Why doesn't zerg use burrow to protect their expensive defilers? Burrow a defiler with a small group of lings. Much harder to target for irradiate, imo. Burrow epic spell. Ask Kevin Bacon how powerful it is.
It probably is a lack of APM thing. For example, he also could have got a few more scourge at certain points in the game, but when you are focused on staying alive, it can be tough to do theae smaller micro movements. Keep in mind that Protoss and Terran have a "production" macro advantage in terms of APM since they can queue up units in the production buildings. Zerg has to use larvae, so that could also help explain too
Ok so I've been gone for a couple months, but holy TOLEDO!!!!! There's GRAPHICS NOW?! Player portraits, some other info at the middle, cool animated triangle graphic thingies in the background. DUDE! This looks COOL! Just wanted to give feedback on it ASAP. Also, one more piece of feedback. Can we please have your face on SOME thumbnails? It doesn't have to be all the time, but seeing you go ":O" sometimes is funny.
Can someone explain why players continue to run their marines away even when zerglings are already on top of them and doing damage? Seems like a better idea to stop, fight, and get what kills you can, no?
Note how Terran plays near perfect and continuous pressure past the 9min mark. Yet the game gets closed out by 20+ min, where are the quick moderately timely wins for T that Z can always get?!?
I'm very high on plague over dark swarm. Especially when I see the changed opinion on firebats that more than 2 is okay, more is good vs swarm. But plague it just a continual nightmare on targeted units, even BCs can only take 2 before they need repair/or restoration micro. Then I think plague as a spell for sieging over dark swarm, does really well vs bunker/turret chokes. Then I think u know, Nuke has same AoE as plague. As a tempo based play, nuke is a good alternative to idling the bioball while irradiate grinding lurkers, and still needing to bust the sunks. Why should a lurker egg at ramp cause such problems only to then still race up ramp taking massive damage, when 15s to call down nuke would clear a beach head for your bio to get up ramp en masse. Even if lurkers repositioned out of nuke range , it can't be worse than racing your units through the 1 lane meatgrinder (otherwise that would be the initial position). Canceling nuke and catching lurkers while repositioning is also possibility. it takes about 2.5 min to set up nuke as suggested above, can be done after Titan reactor, but I think it's worth delaying reactor 30 sec to get down covert ops, idea being a tempo play alternative to irradiate grinding, finish game before BC/tank transition needed. can always pop up and start physics lab if didn't workout, but I think 200/200 is worth bypassing the 1 lane meatgrinder, or blasting open a rallypoint nat choke clearing out all the invulnerable units protected by a dark swarm. If I were good enough to manage units all over the map, I probably wouldn't bother, but I think this could be worthwhile addition vs transitioning to unupgraded units, that will require higher resource and supply commitment to transition (Tanks and BCs), when problem could be resolved by safely breaching chokes with most of bioball. Of course drop play is also an alternative transition, but that's also a type of investment halting vessel production and drop force treated as disposable, nuke is cheaper throwaway that lets you use most of your army instead of a small detachment, also costs less effort with control group maintenance.
17:00 "Yoons comp is very close to unkillable" ... broken af, scan has twice the supply Yoon has and still has to play the rest of the game walking on eggshells because one mistake means 5 dark swarm lurkers will kill his whole army ... how is this fair ?? like what is he supposed to do to deliver the killing blow at this point ??
My favourite videos of BW are the ones with units you don't usually see. Ghosts with nukes, firebats, queens, whatever. I just kinda stop watching when I see a mutaball, dark swarm, dragoons, afk with siege tanks..
Really bad Muta control compared to ASL Zergs, and really bad Caster flip-flopping: One minute he says twice they are about even after the initial exchange, then the next he says twice Yoon is slightly ahead. Bruh, how are you "slightly" ahead when Zerg is 90% of Terran's worker count, and there aren't any immediate threats? If this was Hero as Zerg against anyone (except maybe Rush) continuing the play from that position he would steamroll every game.
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12:50 the discovery of hold position lurkers changed terran vs protoss completely 😂
Lol best moment of the video!
Tosis PTSD
Terran was so concerned about hold position lurkers that they were even paranoid of it when fighting protoss.
@@MadroTunes
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Artosis the wise?
lol i think its an association habit .. he hates hold position lurkers and than it gets to be associated to what he hates the most protoss
In my opinion Artosis is the best esports commentator ever. The knowledge he has is incredible. He is able to explain absolutely everything.
Seconded. The actual GOAT sports commentator, e or otherwise.
I Agree :) I also love nyoken, but soo use to RT as #1 pick
especially on matches that involve Terran
Btw Scan casts are pretty good too (even without f bombs lol)
@@FlymanMS I agree, I think Scan's casts are excellent. I really love how he explains all the small details.
"You're gonna have a fire-bad time" - Scan, 2024
The most English fluent Korean pro with his best oneliners.
For you: 😔👉👑
The purifying flames of the Capri Sun
Can I have some salt please? Mijn appelflap is super flauw. :D
Scan played that game so well it was inspiring to watch. I feel so helpless sometimes against end-game defiler Zerg it's helpful to see someone seem to have all the answers like this.
oh it took awhile for ppl to start mixing more firebats in
Scan puts in the work and has a great mental. You would do well to aspire to be like him.
BASED Firechads.
Terranbros... we eatin good tonight 🍴😋🔥
Hail the almighty flame 🔥!
zerg bbq
You know, now that I think about it, I wonder if in Starcraft lore prisoners are fed cooked Zerg in the outer colonies? Kind of like how lobster was fed to prisoners and slaves in the U.S. during colonial times because lobsters were so abundant back then.
Are you asking for an invite to my next bbq?
@11:05 Tasteless makes a guest appearance lol. Thanks so much for casting these games Artosis they've been awesome so far!
"Tu tu tu tu tu tu tu." -Scan at Artosis's house, vocalizing his APM, telling us why it is important.
it's his macro rhythm.
tu tu tu tu tu tu tu.
You mean ta ta ta ta
"ask him re and I play?" - Scan
18:27 longest production tab ever
Scan is out of this world, very damn well played
11:05 that is simultaneously peak toast and terrible, indeed
Only this comment can repel SPOILERS of this magnetude!
magnetdood cannot be repeled
The game was spoiled once scan killed the 3rd
I hate magnet dudes
Bunker spoiler is more effective
Repaired with comments
"I feel like when terran takes a 3rd base they lose" -Artosis
Good 'Ole Two Base' Tosis
I’ve always loved how arty introduces each combatant along with a little zoom on their CC
Wuu, firebats, back-rank checkmatexDDD. Scan is a monster. So happy couz of him:)
In those first few minutes, how big a factor is the lost mining time of all those drones that get pulled? Seems like it's a lot of minerals that don't get mined there, or does it matter due to larva number?
its big.
Mining time, drone kills and larva wasted for lings, Scan was definitely ahead after.
What a sick game from Scan. I'm learning so much just watching his games it's wonderful.
he is a good player to learn from. very methodical and reasoned.
I love Scan's style
Scan is a very good friend. I learned that from his room invasion years ago.
i think the opening actually favors scan pretty heavily. not only did he kill 3 drones but yoon lost so much mining time from pulling so many drones for so long
Wow Scan played that game almost flawlessly holyyy
Thanks for casting looking for more from this two
Artosis, i dont want to watch all of the games of this tournament, but interested in Scan, can u do something about naming the videos? also is there any idea to share replays?
I've started to really enjoy the scrappiness of the Zerg, and how they can hold with like half the supply. So many matches where you see the T supply at 170 and the Z supply at 95 but somehow they're still holding.
"somehow" lol... defiler dark swarm and hydra+lurker allows you to hold positions nearly indefinitely as long as you have something for the defiler to consume... Or as Arty's chat would say, ORANGE CLOUD! 🍊 ☁️
Watching Artosis for a month now, I've come to the same conclusion as him: 5-5 upgrades on marines is worthless against zerg down 100 supply as long as zerg has 2 defilers with consume and dark swarm. You'd have to have omnipresent micro from that point on.
As a low level terran player all of artosis casting about terran is so damn helpfull :). I think science vessel energy is a must get upgrade against zerg. Starting with 63 manna instead of 50 feels so damn safe
More irradiates and faster irradiates!
Wake up babe, new CNSL just dropped
Thanks for the casts Arto. Scan! Hype!
For years it was said that Restoration wasn't viable because of medic energy and APM. Why is it that only now is it starting to be used and considered going forward? What's changed?
great question
What's changed is the volume and potency of metal disorders and drugs, to be able to handle all those necessary inputs.
I've heard it is viable for Battlecruisers, but good question. This matchup is APM heavy, so my guess is that in terms of priority for players it is just lower compared to other actions
It’s still not used. He researched it and didn’t cast it
@@skykurHe did use it. I am too lazy to find the timestamp but i saw it used on a vessel
That was such a good game. Hope we can see some of these guys in the next asl season
What would a scan scan if a scan could scan wood
can scan's scan scan cans?
It would scan me when I see your mum.
artosis keeps saying that scan made it to an asl before. but what season? i don't recall scan ever playing in an asl
jesus christ look how much effort scan had to put to win this match and zerg keep being in game even after losing almost all encounters... plague and dark swarm op
Defilers are so fucked it's genuinely insane lmao
It's crazy how broken orange cloud is
I know this probably isn't even a factor at the higher levels of pro play(or any level really) but i feel like playing red makes the zerg plague better just cause its harder to notice at a glance.
How many lurkers could scan scan if scan could scan lurkers?
Hydra/Lurker/Defiler comp shown, instant round of almost completely firebats. Hydras do not hit firebats under dark swarm! it is a simple but very good plan!
20:45 oh man, i feel like you gotta repair some of these.. at least like, take 3 of them with no energy back for reps, we can't be losing 6 vessels to hydras and stay ahead...
21:27 looks like he's actually sending everything back after getting plagued again, dying to 1 scourge instead of two is rough (against, ling/lurker/defiler), dying to 1 hydra shot is not acceptable.
21:32 OOF the medics. i've always felt as a viewer, a cheat for watching starcraft, terran losing medics tanks, and vessels is really bad, zerg losing lurkers and defilers is really bad, toss losing goons, templars is really bad. those are units that are supposed to be repeatedly gaining value as the game goes on. The marines dying happens, all the time, it's fine. losing this many medics is painful, although it may be a bit too late for zerg...
GG! thanks RT
I know im a noob, but dang, the skill between the ASL regulars and the wannabe's is stupid. Them regulars eating good
11:05 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why doesn't zerg use burrow to protect their expensive defilers? Burrow a defiler with a small group of lings. Much harder to target for irradiate, imo. Burrow epic spell. Ask Kevin Bacon how powerful it is.
It probably is a lack of APM thing. For example, he also could have got a few more scourge at certain points in the game, but when you are focused on staying alive, it can be tough to do theae smaller micro movements.
Keep in mind that Protoss and Terran have a "production" macro advantage in terms of APM since they can queue up units in the production buildings. Zerg has to use larvae, so that could also help explain too
How did Scan not get into ASL this time? He’s so dominant and plays more modern games.
the level of players is insane. not making asl is hardly a shameful display.
I would like to see shields on firebats more.
Defensive matrix and firebat, a match made in heaven
Ok so I've been gone for a couple months, but holy TOLEDO!!!!!
There's GRAPHICS NOW?! Player portraits, some other info at the middle, cool animated triangle graphic thingies in the background. DUDE! This looks COOL! Just wanted to give feedback on it ASAP.
Also, one more piece of feedback. Can we please have your face on SOME thumbnails? It doesn't have to be all the time, but seeing you go ":O" sometimes is funny.
Been excited for this one!
Firebathero's name was prophetic then
Would love to see some d-matrices on those fireboys vs dark swarm.
FIRED UP
Go Scan Go
20:45 *action happening on screen*
_moves screen to some place where nothing is happening that he addressed 4 times already_
Startosis trolling us, he would never make weak unit like firebrat
SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN
The Great Firebat Army is real.
What is the point of flying the barrack back or building it forward in the first place
Nevermind sick play
Faster rallying for marines
Yellow zerg makes em look like bees lol. Doesnt help their stage 2 main building is called Hive.
I been mixing in firebats for a while. Those and Sci vessels.
Love these vids.
I wonder if it exists for Diablo 2 and warcraft 2 as well?
bro you should bring in Nyoken to guest cast a couple of these games, nyoken artosis cast would be so dope
How many scans would The Scan Man scan if The Scan Man could scan scans? TWO?!
Spoiler BUNKER
Firebats! Literal Chills!
*Terran has double the supply of Zerg*
"This is still playable for Zerg"
Terran players: . . .
Thumbnail guy giving me chills
gg
Can someone explain why players continue to run their marines away even when zerglings are already on top of them and doing damage? Seems like a better idea to stop, fight, and get what kills you can, no?
The future is here
Why is swarm a thing
🍊 ☁️
Scan good player tho! strong mindpower and twitchy fingers!
GRANDE SCAN, GRANDE
Note how Terran plays near perfect and continuous pressure past the 9min mark.
Yet the game gets closed out by 20+ min, where are the quick moderately timely wins for T that Z can always get?!?
I'm very high on plague over dark swarm. Especially when I see the changed opinion on firebats that more than 2 is okay, more is good vs swarm. But plague it just a continual nightmare on targeted units, even BCs can only take 2 before they need repair/or restoration micro. Then I think plague as a spell for sieging over dark swarm, does really well vs bunker/turret chokes. Then I think u know, Nuke has same AoE as plague. As a tempo based play, nuke is a good alternative to idling the bioball while irradiate grinding lurkers, and still needing to bust the sunks. Why should a lurker egg at ramp cause such problems only to then still race up ramp taking massive damage, when 15s to call down nuke would clear a beach head for your bio to get up ramp en masse. Even if lurkers repositioned out of nuke range , it can't be worse than racing your units through the 1 lane meatgrinder (otherwise that would be the initial position). Canceling nuke and catching lurkers while repositioning is also possibility.
it takes about 2.5 min to set up nuke as suggested above, can be done after Titan reactor, but I think it's worth delaying reactor 30 sec to get down covert ops, idea being a tempo play alternative to irradiate grinding, finish game before BC/tank transition needed. can always pop up and start physics lab if didn't workout, but I think 200/200 is worth bypassing the 1 lane meatgrinder, or blasting open a rallypoint nat choke clearing out all the invulnerable units protected by a dark swarm.
If I were good enough to manage units all over the map, I probably wouldn't bother, but I think this could be worthwhile addition vs transitioning to unupgraded units, that will require higher resource and supply commitment to transition (Tanks and BCs), when problem could be resolved by safely breaching chokes with most of bioball. Of course drop play is also an alternative transition, but that's also a type of investment halting vessel production and drop force treated as disposable, nuke is cheaper throwaway that lets you use most of your army instead of a small detachment, also costs less effort with control group maintenance.
A video made by the guy who kept dying to ling floods 5 games in a row and simply refused to make firebats
aww wanted to see zerg try to bust that bunker base.
Hey, Artosis could you start putting the map name in the title?
Defilers broken. Blizz should patch up "consume". Consume breaking the game.
Scannnnn❤
Why can't the Terran just transition into mass battle crusiers at the same time as he keeps the pressure up in games like these?
zerg already has scourge for vessels, no?
@@chloesmith4065 battle cruisers one shot scourge.
15:28 Firebat time? Firebat conga line.
17:00 "Yoons comp is very close to unkillable" ... broken af, scan has twice the supply Yoon has and still has to play the rest of the game walking on eggshells because one mistake means 5 dark swarm lurkers will kill his whole army ... how is this fair ?? like what is he supposed to do to deliver the killing blow at this point ??
love Scan games, than you Artoise
😀
It’s crazy titling the video “the future” in like a 30 year old game
Who no TvT, ZvZ and PvP games ever ?
fucking love watching firebats kill zerg. soooo tasty
Scan's macro is just too sexy.
Scan eliminated my boy Ruin, so he'd better win
buena partida
I see that "GG" isn't actually getting typed out in a lot of these games, is that going out of style or something?
ggs
Scan attacks Zerg base.
Artosis: "Ok lets go back to those bunkers and talk about them. Who needs to see a big battle on a healthy base?"
Too sad to have seen the best plague ever in a Yoon's poor game.
10:55
My favourite videos of BW are the ones with units you don't usually see. Ghosts with nukes, firebats, queens, whatever.
I just kinda stop watching when I see a mutaball, dark swarm, dragoons, afk with siege tanks..
decent skill gap between these two
Gay is the future
I bust regardless
200 vs 100 supply and you can't win. Omg defayler so broken.
Really bad Muta control compared to ASL Zergs, and really bad Caster flip-flopping: One minute he says twice they are about even after the initial exchange, then the next he says twice Yoon is slightly ahead. Bruh, how are you "slightly" ahead when Zerg is 90% of Terran's worker count, and there aren't any immediate threats? If this was Hero as Zerg against anyone (except maybe Rush) continuing the play from that position he would steamroll every game.
god dark swarm is such bull @!@#$. disgusting.
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sc1 players seems to be so bad at controlling units. They waste so so much
Dam defilers are so broken. I hate this unit so much.
Unban cleverstarcraftguy
you talk way too much