Watching it back now but if it’s a case of we can trade Garna for 3 x 50mill players unfortunately it’s a necessity. And….we NEVER forget what we’ve had to do for the glazers to bail them out!
IF we are in PSR trouble and HAVE to sell to get back on even keel then we ain’t getting 50m profit so folks just need to calm their expectations down. Fans are being led like sheep by the media and they just believe anything they write. Madness
What's the point?, its already a write off season. Keep Garnacho hes talented. AMORIM can mold him. There's no player that can change this team.. Its a striker service thing. After José got sacked, the wingers became selfish anf stop creating for the STRIKER
@@lancepillay1295i dont think garna sees himself as a LWB or no 10 hes a classic winger which does not and will not suit the system putting square pegs in round holes will solve nothing for us rn
I'm a Man united fan from Portugal. I know Amorim from the Sporting time. He is brilliant, but he needs the tool to work. He made Sporting a winner after 19 years of disgrace . I believe in him, is not a quieter, but needs good players. Garnacho needs to be sold. Thank you, Adam, for your fantastic work , I'm your fan.
Last season 99% of the fans wanted the team built around Mainoo Garnacho Hojlund and Amad. Now we’ve got Amorim playing 3421 losing every week and Garnacho is looking like he’s leaving. Shockingly run football club
@jabthejedi so if Klopp picked players that didn't fit the clubs ideals regarding the route they wanted to go in, Liverpool would just sign them? So MUFCs hierarchy have no blame in allowing managers to decide the players. That in itself is a contradiction. That's most definitely the notion of running the club in an alarmingly poor fashion. Doing the easy thing all the time is not the right thing. By your logic we are in the mess we are because of Ten Hag, Ole, Mourinho, LVG, Rangnick and not the Glazers, Woodward, Arnold etc. 🤣👍
@@jabthejedi wrong, the reason Ten Hag had any input in transfers was because the team around him had zero understanding of how football works and got it tragically wrong with the precious manager. Ten Hag didn't come in demanding something he didn't have at Ajax (veto over players). He was given it by a clueless leadership. If you can find me one instance where a manager decides which players to buy in the current day, that has worked successfully, then I can accept Ten Hag deserves some of the blame for the transfer during his time. Until then, you're completely wrong. But it's over to you to change my mind on that with facts.
Where is this executive team that is supposed to be supporting Ruben? Why do we never see any of them on camera to take the heat off of him and the team? We've hired some very expensive, none-public-facing bureaucrats...Where are they? They just sit inscrutable in the stands like the Politburo. Ruben needs support, he's the only one at the club grasping the nettle, we can't have that. Step up to the mark Ineos sharpish, or this will really sour.
The club has a responsibility and duty of care to help, assist and look after it fans who spend an absolute kings ransom to watch Onana and his fellow band of misfits make a mockery of our club
Even if we sell Garnacho, and lbh, his head has been turned now, Utd have 10 working days to get players in, and this team needs goals above all else. Don’t see where Utd can get any business done tbh
@ Ineos seemed to have a decent plan back in the summer, its a well known fact that we need to sell before we can buy, with FFP breathing down our necks and the ructions with Ashworth leaving, I’m not convinced that we can get any deals completed especially given the time frame, it just leaves other clubs able to hold us to ransom.
Amorim said he won't start a player he doesn't feel is best for the team. He started Garna against Southampton 2 matches ago. I do not believe he wants to sell Garna. Selling Garna if Amorim doesnt want to isn't backing the manager at all. It's a financial decision by the board 💸
Yoro was such a stupid transfer, that's a Madrid transfer where you have a great 1st team and you can sprinkle game time in for a few seasons. We can't afford this kind of player we need players who are ready now
That is true, however from a financial perspective I would imagine we won't be in a position to invest that full fee into transfers, due to our terrible situation and the large outstanding fees on failed players still hanging over the club.
@ it’s spread over the length of the contract that’s why Chelsea were handing out 7 year contracts. Mudryk £90m on a 7 year contract and 2 midfielders for £200m on 7 year contracts etc on the books for £41m per season
@techarch8851 our problem is not money. It's FFP & PSR regulations which limit us because we've been so poorly and inefficiently run. This is not new news. This is well known. Ineos could pump in hundreds of millions otherwise. But you're not allowed to do that anymore and spend it on players. It has to be organic revenue. Otherwise you are cooking the books like City.
@@Boylo2492 why would Ineos pump money into the club when the majority owners haven’t put a single penny in during their ownership? United have no cash flow everything is on the never never. Before they rocked up united had a few hundred million in the bank players were payed for in cash.
Wouldn’t sell him now.. That’d get him at a discounted price and we won’t replace him until the summer anyway Also the kid is 20 and one bright spark from an attacking standpoint, we won’t get a better player for the same money at the same or younger age
Get £50m plus any sell on clause would be an unbelievable deal for United. Garnacho isn't strong enough for Premier league. He's a luxury player. Yes he can score a few goals but he's general play is poor. We can buy 2 players with his fee
WTF is this club coming too ,that’s a bloody disgrace about that blokes season ticket.Busby must be turning in his grave. Turning into a heartless cold club .
They moved my 2 season ticket seats, after 20 years sitting in the Stretford end quadrant to east stand lower tier and not together. No option to move where we wanted to. Just to make room for so called "executive seats".
Very smart decision by Garnacho to get out. Mainoo, Yoro and Hojlund should be considering the same. Unless they have been given 100% assurances Amorim will be fully backed. £50m+ is also a solid deal for us. So the club should take it and get 2 attackers and a LWB in. If they can move Casemiro on, then we get a midfielder in too.
nah i disagree ....imagine if garnacho was at dortmund and we were buying they would charge us 100m .....we atleast need to get 70m from them ....or 60m + buyback
@aakarshanchoudhary2785 definitely the highest fee we could get. I personally do think 50m is on the low side. Probably £50m + 10m easy add ons would be about right. I wouldn't be against a buy back clause but depends on if Garnacho would be interested in coming back.
50mil which player are we going to get for 50mil to replace him? Some of our fans act like man united can get cheap quality players. We are always ripped off.
@techarch8851 we don't need to spend £50m. Hence the value of profit in FFP & PSR. We could spend up to £250m amortised over 5 years if we made £50m in profit. Thats how it works.
@ after new amnagement we haven't spent stupid money till now ....new owners are too cheap to spend extra money ...and as garnacho is our academy player then the profit margin would be very high and we could probably get a lot of players ....and if we manage to sell rashford too then mate we can do major changes ....
If Casemiro and Rashford are out the door by Feb 2nd the drinks are on me! BTW time for INEOS to go cap in hand to get Ralf Rangnick back on board as a consultant and use his incredible connections to target true signings that are truly effective working with Wilcox!
The day our football dept stops listening to fans we might start improving. We're stuck with Antony and Casemiro thanks to the "just pay whatever it takes" crowd
The story about the guys season ticket was so sad. What has this club become, it's disgusting. One thing you keep forgetting is the 300m we owe to other clubs for previous failed transfers, we are cooked mate
Yes, explained as follows: If for example you buy a car for 10 million and it's amortised over 5 years (2 million per year) . At the end of 5 years the net book value is zero. If you sell the same car after the five years for say 20k, your profit would be the proceeds of sale (20k) less the net book value (zero) = 20k.
Ineos are a joke now FML I will probably never see another title and the 7 years for a stadium is the biggest joke takes two years tops and that’s if they tore down OT and built on that site…tfoh 7 years Jesus
Bro you are a comedian. How do you expect us to get 3 players with 50mil? When has that happened? What we need to do is get rid of all the deadwoods. We cant be buying and buying players without selling? This is the cause of our financial collapse. Fans just want to buy and but players.come on no business works like that
@@Cappah was de gea bang avereage ? Look what we got in return. Getting rid off ten hag half way through a season with no money, is sackable. Infact it ludicrous
Stop buying the merchandise. Fans are to blame as well, they keep filling up the Glazers bank accounts. They won't go until the money starts to fade. LEECHES.
Can’t believe we are selling Garnacho for 50 mill then what ya don’t sell ya best young players it’s a fecking joke.say we sell him then Rubin gets sacked or walks .
Keep this same energy when Mainoo goes for potential money and go tear it up elsewhere. Ill be here for the tears. We can sell alright but using it as crutch will get us nowhere
Hi Adam, realistically, who else can we bring in from the under 21's to help us survive? Would you play Onana anymore? He will continue to cost us - did you see De Ligt's reaction after his clanger?
I know I said yesterday that im having a week off watching and anything to do with the club. But its like a drug addiction you can not kick. Watching on catch-up
The Ineos brand is absolutely being trailed through the mud. If SJR had any common sense he would put up money or get out of this club asap. I can see this situation going hyper toxic and the protests and boycotting starting again. This club’s fan base has aggravators that will awake the majority of the fans up and then there’s no going back. I can honestly see Qatar owning this club in 2 years.
If it means Garnacho leaving brings Amorim funds now then he has to go
Watching it back now but if it’s a case of we can trade Garna for 3 x 50mill players unfortunately it’s a necessity. And….we NEVER forget what we’ve had to do for the glazers to bail them out!
Amorim clearly doesn’t like Garnacho and he says as much in his pressers
IF we are in PSR trouble and HAVE to sell to get back on even keel then we ain’t getting 50m profit so folks just need to calm their expectations down. Fans are being led like sheep by the media and they just believe anything they write. Madness
What's the point?, its already a write off season. Keep Garnacho hes talented. AMORIM can mold him. There's no player that can change this team.. Its a striker service thing. After José got sacked, the wingers became selfish anf stop creating for the STRIKER
@@lancepillay1295i dont think garna sees himself as a LWB or no 10 hes a classic winger which does not and will not suit the system putting square pegs in round holes will solve nothing for us rn
I'm a Man united fan from Portugal. I know Amorim from the Sporting time. He is brilliant, but he needs the tool to work. He made Sporting a winner after 19 years of disgrace . I believe in him, is not a quieter, but needs good players. Garnacho needs to be sold. Thank you, Adam, for your fantastic work , I'm your fan.
Last season 99% of the fans wanted the team built around Mainoo Garnacho Hojlund and Amad. Now we’ve got Amorim playing 3421 losing every week and Garnacho is looking like he’s leaving. Shockingly run football club
Any player that turns up for a match wearing diamond earings on both ears should be fined a seasons wages. Its a football match not a fashion parade.
Ten Hag spent 500m over 3 seasons to build a squad for his system that took us to 13th before being sacked. 🤦🏾
@occulus8687 the club spent that money, and the vast majority of the blame should lie with the club and the people running it.
@@Boylo2492 nope they were his choice of players - people moan about the club but they did everything people wanted them to do.
@jabthejedi so if Klopp picked players that didn't fit the clubs ideals regarding the route they wanted to go in, Liverpool would just sign them?
So MUFCs hierarchy have no blame in allowing managers to decide the players. That in itself is a contradiction. That's most definitely the notion of running the club in an alarmingly poor fashion. Doing the easy thing all the time is not the right thing.
By your logic we are in the mess we are because of Ten Hag, Ole, Mourinho, LVG, Rangnick and not the Glazers, Woodward, Arnold etc. 🤣👍
@@Boylo2492 its a mix but Mourinho wasn't allowed the players he wanted, neither was Ole or Ragnick so they did accommodate Ten Hag - he fluffed it.
@@jabthejedi wrong, the reason Ten Hag had any input in transfers was because the team around him had zero understanding of how football works and got it tragically wrong with the precious manager.
Ten Hag didn't come in demanding something he didn't have at Ajax (veto over players). He was given it by a clueless leadership. If you can find me one instance where a manager decides which players to buy in the current day, that has worked successfully, then I can accept Ten Hag deserves some of the blame for the transfer during his time. Until then, you're completely wrong. But it's over to you to change my mind on that with facts.
Football has lost its soul. Money men are the only winners.
Ratcliffe is a huge disappointment.
Where is this executive team that is supposed to be supporting Ruben?
Why do we never see any of them on camera to take the heat off of him and the team?
We've hired some very expensive, none-public-facing bureaucrats...Where are they?
They just sit inscrutable in the stands like the Politburo.
Ruben needs support, he's the only one at the club grasping the nettle, we can't have that.
Step up to the mark Ineos sharpish, or this will really sour.
Inios are a complete nightmare , they have done nothing for the club
First things first get that banana that stands in custard out of our goal
The club has a responsibility and duty of care to help, assist and look after it fans who spend an absolute kings ransom to watch Onana and his fellow band of misfits make a mockery of our club
Garnacho sale = 3 £50m players. Garnacho performances are lowering his price looks like a 20m player.
Even if we sell Garnacho, and lbh, his head has been turned now, Utd have 10 working days to get players in, and this team needs goals above all else. Don’t see where Utd can get any business done tbh
@@waynehiggs7335 I'd be very shocked if we didn't have several tiers of targets in multiple positions (LWB, DM, 10, Striker) etc.
@ Ineos seemed to have a decent plan back in the summer, its a well known fact that we need to sell before we can buy, with FFP breathing down our necks and the ructions with Ashworth leaving, I’m not convinced that we can get any deals completed especially given the time frame, it just leaves other clubs able to hold us to ransom.
What you are missing is that the money will be used to cover the approx 300million that is owed and due for the players bought under ten Haag...
At this point it cant be the worst compared to the United team who was relegated or as bad as Fergie's first season...
Fergie's first full season we finished second with a record points total (at the time) for a runners up.
Amorim said he won't start a player he doesn't feel is best for the team. He started Garna against Southampton 2 matches ago. I do not believe he wants to sell Garna. Selling Garna if Amorim doesnt want to isn't backing the manager at all. It's a financial decision by the board 💸
Yoro was such a stupid transfer, that's a Madrid transfer where you have a great 1st team and you can sprinkle game time in for a few seasons. We can't afford this kind of player we need players who are ready now
£50m for Garnacho means £250m on the books over a 5 year period not £150m
That is true, however from a financial perspective I would imagine we won't be in a position to invest that full fee into transfers, due to our terrible situation and the large outstanding fees on failed players still hanging over the club.
What do you mean 250mil on the books? Does money just multiply?
@ it’s spread over the length of the contract that’s why Chelsea were handing out 7 year contracts.
Mudryk £90m on a 7 year contract and 2 midfielders for £200m on 7 year contracts etc on the books for £41m per season
@techarch8851 our problem is not money. It's FFP & PSR regulations which limit us because we've been so poorly and inefficiently run. This is not new news. This is well known. Ineos could pump in hundreds of millions otherwise. But you're not allowed to do that anymore and spend it on players. It has to be organic revenue. Otherwise you are cooking the books like City.
@@Boylo2492 why would Ineos pump money into the club when the majority owners haven’t put a single penny in during their ownership? United have no cash flow everything is on the never never.
Before they rocked up united had a few hundred million in the bank players were payed for in cash.
What a mess. This is on the Glazers.
Wouldn’t sell him now..
That’d get him at a discounted price and we won’t replace him until the summer anyway
Also the kid is 20 and one bright spark from an attacking standpoint, we won’t get a better player for the same money at the same or younger age
Get £50m plus any sell on clause would be an unbelievable deal for United. Garnacho isn't strong enough for Premier league. He's a luxury player. Yes he can score a few goals but he's general play is poor. We can buy 2 players with his fee
Seen report the EtH to Dortmund so no way Rash will go if that happens
WTF is this club coming too ,that’s a bloody disgrace about that blokes season ticket.Busby must be turning in his grave. Turning into a heartless cold club .
They moved my 2 season ticket seats, after 20 years sitting in the Stretford end quadrant to east stand lower tier and not together. No option to move where we wanted to. Just to make room for so called "executive seats".
Very smart decision by Garnacho to get out. Mainoo, Yoro and Hojlund should be considering the same. Unless they have been given 100% assurances Amorim will be fully backed.
£50m+ is also a solid deal for us. So the club should take it and get 2 attackers and a LWB in. If they can move Casemiro on, then we get a midfielder in too.
nah i disagree ....imagine if garnacho was at dortmund and we were buying they would charge us 100m .....we atleast need to get 70m from them ....or 60m + buyback
@aakarshanchoudhary2785 definitely the highest fee we could get. I personally do think 50m is on the low side. Probably £50m + 10m easy add ons would be about right.
I wouldn't be against a buy back clause but depends on if Garnacho would be interested in coming back.
50mil which player are we going to get for 50mil to replace him? Some of our fans act like man united can get cheap quality players. We are always ripped off.
@techarch8851 we don't need to spend £50m. Hence the value of profit in FFP & PSR. We could spend up to £250m amortised over 5 years if we made £50m in profit. Thats how it works.
@ after new amnagement we haven't spent stupid money till now ....new owners are too cheap to spend extra money ...and as garnacho is our academy player then the profit margin would be very high and we could probably get a lot of players ....and if we manage to sell rashford too then mate we can do major changes ....
If Casemiro and Rashford are out the door by Feb 2nd the drinks are on me! BTW time for INEOS to go cap in hand to get Ralf Rangnick back on board as a consultant and use his incredible connections to target true signings that are truly effective working with Wilcox!
Don't want alot do ya 😂
How is garnacho only worth 50m and all these unknown teenagers are worth 60-80m
Utd tax
If Man Utd was buying Garnacho we would have to pay £75M at least
The sales and commercial aspects are ok as long as part of this money doesn't go to dividends !
Trouble is we are NOT fighting to stay up, we lose games with a whimper
If Amorim can get players they have to be better than ehat we already have and go straight into team snd they must have desire, energy and PACE
Garnacho and Rashford will be no loss to the club... Just get rid
I seriously don’t understand why DeGea was let go. We are useless playing from the back. We have players that can’t play from back
The day our football dept stops listening to fans we might start improving. We're stuck with Antony and Casemiro thanks to the "just pay whatever it takes" crowd
Tbh I would rather Kerkez than Ait-Nouri. Probably similar price too
Kerkez is a competitive monster but lined up for LiVARpool to replace bully boy cart horse Robertson. United would need to act NOW!
The story about the guys season ticket was so sad. What has this club become, it's disgusting. One thing you keep forgetting is the 300m we owe to other clubs for previous failed transfers, we are cooked mate
Curious about PSR, if for example Bruno’s transfer fee has already been amortized would his sale be pure profit
Yes, explained as follows: If for example you buy a car for 10 million and it's amortised over 5 years (2 million per year) . At the end of 5 years the net book value is zero. If you sell the same car after the five years for say 20k, your profit would be the proceeds of sale (20k) less the net book value (zero) = 20k.
50 million for Garnacho and 55 million for Mount. You gotta love this football club 🤪
Ineos are a joke now FML I will probably never see another title and the 7 years for a stadium is the biggest joke takes two years tops and that’s if they tore down OT and built on that site…tfoh 7 years Jesus
How long before Ineos order Amorim to change his system? If we go out of Europe I could see him being sacked. What a mess.
Bro you are a comedian. How do you expect us to get 3 players with 50mil? When has that happened?
What we need to do is get rid of all the deadwoods. We cant be buying and buying players without selling? This is the cause of our financial collapse. Fans just want to buy and but players.come on no business works like that
I don't agree. Ineos have made some terrible decisions. I don't trust them selling our best players too replace them with who?
Garnacho is bang average mate
@Cappah if you think garnacho is bang average pal. Have you seen the state of that squad.
He young and needs too be taught.
@@Cappah was de gea bang avereage ?
Look what we got in return.
Getting rid off ten hag half way through a season with no money, is sackable.
Infact it ludicrous
Awful story about the grandads season ticket wtf is going on at our club 😡
Great show this morning. Great insight into match going fans…..
Garnacho is worth 70m british pounds.
If they put Rashford back on the left to replace Nach I'm not watching.
Eric we trust
We are not selling a team though,
I got a feeling fixing man united is like doing open heart surgery on a ant 🐜 we are so far from winning a league 😪
The only defender Dalot can beat is Arnold, no matter he plays on left or right.
Stop buying the merchandise. Fans are to blame as well, they keep filling up the Glazers bank accounts. They won't go until the money starts to fade. LEECHES.
Can’t believe we are selling Garnacho for 50 mill then what ya don’t sell ya best young players it’s a fecking joke.say we sell him then Rubin gets sacked or walks .
Certain players are simply not good enough
For united
Please sell him.. he doesn’t fit into the system. And we are suffering. Let’s keep sentiment out of it
We’ve too many players that don’t fit Ruben’s system nacho rashford Dalot will excel elsewhere
Keep this same energy when Mainoo goes for potential money and go tear it up elsewhere. Ill be here for the tears. We can sell alright but using it as crutch will get us nowhere
Hi Adam, realistically, who else can we bring in from the under 21's to help us survive? Would you play Onana anymore? He will continue to cost us - did you see De Ligt's reaction after his clanger?
Good. Need money
CITY OWN FFP
Also what gets you 50m these days?
Sell onana first
Who wants him?
Bye
I know I said yesterday that im having a week off watching and anything to do with the club. But its like a drug addiction you can not kick. Watching on catch-up
You are just buttering us up with good news on the Monday morning after the night before., aren't you Adam?
The Ineos brand is absolutely being trailed through the mud. If SJR had any common sense he would put up money or get out of this club asap. I can see this situation going hyper toxic and the protests and boycotting starting again. This club’s fan base has aggravators that will awake the majority of the fans up and then there’s no going back. I can honestly see Qatar owning this club in 2 years.
I dont rate him...good to see him go
Football has lost its soul. Money men are the only winners.