All I see is Tudor neutering the Prince name to avoid a reduction of OP sales. I’ve handled many a Rolex, and none of them felt particularly high quality compared to their Tudor counterparts and to an extent, compared to micro brands. If they release a Prince in an Oyster case there wouldn’t be a great reason to buy the Rolex besides the brand name, which is somewhat why they made the Black Bay instead of releasing a near identical Submariner with that name and the same case, though chamfered on the edges and fitted with a 2824. They gotta be real careful, but I’d love Tudor a little if they reissued the Prince Oysterdate with an engine turned bezel.
I managed to make a watch with a valjoux 7754, in a 38mm steel case, 100m WR, screw down crown&pushers, 13.5mm thick. If *I*, an amateur, can do it, Tudor should be able to do it too. Oh, and sapphire front and back.
It's the slab sided cases that always let the profiles down (hopefully they can tweak them) and thank you for sharing this! A 13mm thickness is sublime! 🥃
Something looks off with the dial proportions on the Only Watch example - too much empty space compared to the originals. Pulling the size down to, say, 40mm would really make this look neater. I love the big applied shield logo that some examples had on the dial too!
It is a good contender for a return if not this year but soon. Have been told by my contact that this year will have One spectacular release with other models updated , thats all folks.
@@ID-Guy I'm on the brink of purchasing either the Panda or Opaline Gmt myself. But am holding off for the new releases and getting less & less sleep as April 9th approaches lol.
RUclips has started giving me your livestreams when I let it keep goin during afternoon naps. Your voice is incredible and accompanied many dreams. Keep up the great work, hope you bring back the streams
AP may be able to get away with being a one model brand, but Tudor does need to broaden its (popular) offerings that are not BB/divers. Chronos are the obvious route insofar as if anything from Rolex is going to remain hard to get it’s the Daytona. My only chin-rubbing thought is that Tudor will be too big block, too Breitling if you like, at a time when slimmer and svelter (is that a word? 🤔) is the direction of travel. I hope it lives up to expectations! 🍻
Imagine this watch arrives with those thick specifications... I mean its polarising already with the 12,9 & 6 sub-dials but with an added thickness to the case and 42+mm's? Think it'll lose so many people before it's even off the ground 🥃 Well said Borassic!
Your renders are the most sound and logical design of what a steel version of the OnlyWatch Prince would look like... and that's why I suspect it is completely wrong! 😂 The design is just too close to the Daytona, and if there is one thing we know by now, Rolex will not let Tudor go all-in, and it will be nerfed in some way. The only way i see a standard 'Tudor Daytona' coming out is if it's 42mm, 50mm lug-to-lug, 15mm thick obscenity. If they don't just nerf it with size, I would imagine they will go with a colourway more like the Monte Carlo (original and discontinued modern 42mm in the blue/orange and grey/orange) or something equally whacky. I hope you're right, but it goes against everything Tudor have done for the last 12 years, with sole the exception of the Pelagos line. (Although I will admit, it does appear that very recently Rolex does seem to be loosening the reigns a little, with not only the Pelagos 39 but the BB54, so who knows?) Also, if they do go with something conventional like your design, i would imagine that's going to see the Black bay chronograph discontinued too, they occupy too much of the same space, and they only updated those fairly recently.
Something in my gut tells me that Tudor themselves are keen for a change-up. The BB line has been around for a decade plus and maybe. Just maybe they feel confident enough to produce the “Prince” again - Prince Diver, Chrono and all the rest. It would be brilliant! BUT I’ve been wrong more times than right 😉 Tonnes of potential here though 🥃
Great renders! Definitely feasible! Question: do you think Tudor will ever produce a Black Bay Date? My “perfect” watch would be a Black Bay 58 Blue Date. Game, set, match!
I think your thoughts and predictions are well thought-out and highly plausible. I would welcome such a chronograph revival that doesn't ride on the very long, but worn out, Black Bay coat tails. However, at the same time, I'm not sure it would be a watch for me. 1) in my earlier years of automatic chronograph watch collecting, they were nearly all Valjoux 7750 based and had the subdials at 12-9-6. I didn't know as much back then, but, I just accepted that was always going to be the case with more affordable automatic chronographs. As such, I think I got incredibly bored of that layout and don't ever gravitate towards such in my new(er) watch collecting days 2) I just prefer the visual weight of chronograph subdials to be more centered and bottom balanced and with 9-6-3.. or, balanced with just 2 sub dials at the 9&3.
There’s a reason why the 3,6,9 dials have helped define the Chronograph layout (from the very beginning) 😉 But anything to get away from the Black Bay line… I’m begging, pleading we see something like this. The revival of the Prince - Prince Diver, Chrono, Date… ah, there’s so much potential! Hope you’re well m’boy! 🥃
I’m not a fan of the chronograph sub dial location but my biggest take away was why not just buy an older model. The new model does not seem to offer enough difference to me but it’s biggest issue is tudors current chrono's look better. One thing I find strange is all tudors chrono’s have a date function , but if you want a GADA style watch where I think it’s more useful you have limited and rather poor options.
I own thanks to you a Tudor Pelagos FXD MN23 The Tudor chronographs leave me cold. However something like your renditions might be of interest. Would love to see the Seventies colours. AKA Seiko Pogue vibes
@@ID-GuyWho knows? Vulcans are priced at 4-5k. Tudor could easily match that price point, maybe even go lower. Alarm watches are rare, maybe because the JLC memovox had the market cornered for years, and it is pricey. More options at lower prices might interest more buyers. I would definitely be interested.
Something about those early spot colours of the "Homeplate" and "Monte Carlo"... so, so, good... Maybe, just maybe they give these designs a bit more of a boost (somehow) 🥃
To my eye there is too much unused space on the right aspect of the dial on the 41-42mm mock-ups, which gives the watch a “mall watch” feel. Like the movement isn’t sized well for the case. The smaller 39-40mm renderings look better. I was a huge fan of the Heritage Chrono and wish they’d bring that back 😢.
Spot on Jonny, so much open space around the dial (Mall Watch made me chuckle) 😉 There's potential for them to give us a 39mm with tighter sub-dials and all the rest but hey! Well said 🥃
“ right that’s the Big Block design redone …in house , tri compax , heritage intact …. Any final questions? “ “ does the date window match the dial ?” “ not him again…..!!” ;)
i agree that tudor styling from the past was much more interesting than the current offerings......i just acquired a neo-vintage tudor hydronaut 89190, very interesting unique styling
Tudor has a lot of work ahead of them 😅 I’m wondering if they’re going to expand the BB54 line especially. Do we reckon this will be another Black Bay year at W&W? Thank you for sharing your thoughts! 🥃
A lot of them are, I’ll agree. A lot of them are kinda “bygone era” too with their poor water resistance (even their function doesn’t appeal to the majority) There are a few exceptions though - wouldn’t say this one is THE best example 😆🥃
Great content, actually excited to think they might just break away from the comfort zone of usualness, they really missed an opportunity with the panda/reverse chrono. Slightly thinner, champered sides and not so stiff movement would have made it so good. Plus wearability was poor with the rivet bracelet. If they are to release another similar big block and actually take inspiration from originality, then the black bay range will remain in the shadows!! Here’s hoping for something new!! 😊
All we can do is hope that they themselves are feeling the BB fatigue and decide to refresh a new collection. Prince Diver, Chronograph, Prince Date… so many killer ideas! Thanks for this brother 🥃
If Tudor brings that chronograph formation back that could be the affordable Daytona a lot of people are looking for. Thanks Brother for the great video 👍🏽👍🏽
@@ID-Guy Always great to watch your videos and even better when you join the stream 😁👍🏽 can't wait for the good old days of live wrist shot streams. I think they will bring back the Prince on a bracelet and on rubber, maybe even use a in house caliber. I also think they will have at least 2 color ways to start the line. Have a great weekend bro 🙏🏽😊🙏🏽
Exactly 😉 I should’ve brought it up in the video but didn’t want to over promise that we’d be seeing the Chrono this year (it might be a 2025 launch) Well said 🥃
@@ID-GuyI actually like the panda dial. The black one not as much. Anything new would need to be unique and cool. Like a green panda! But case thickness is an absolute priority for me.
Will watch shortly man... update.. you'll be surprised to say the least. .. I went to pick up my IWC which had finally been serviced, with a dial replacement, very good full polish, and movement gutted out. It's like a new watch .. I had already started having Omega regrets.. After a month, it just didn't feel right as a daily watch. I'm sorry to say... it is beautiful, it sounds great, the hesalite is gorgeous etc etc Anyway I'm sat here with the IWC Mark XVI on a grey nato, it's ultra thin man... the black and bone white contrast of the dial.. how did I ever doubt this watch? The Speedy is on a shop display in my local watch store.... I have zero regrets
I think the underlying thing is you love a watch with Numerals on the dial (like me) - the idea of blending a Chronograph with a Field watch? Man... an IWC Chrono might be right up your alley! Variety is the spice of life 😉 Your Mk XVI is beautiful though. I think we're too fortunate to NOT have a choice with our watches today. But I know what you mean, try as we might, we just can't gel with a watch... fitting because my Black Bay video is going to be just about the same topic 🥃
Do you think Tudor are likely to keep both the black bay chrono and prince chrono (if they release) simultaneously? I don't know why but part of me doesn't see it happening. Hope I'm wrong though!
Looking back at their past track record, they have brought in newer models while keeping the older ones in the catalogue (like what they've been doing with the Pelagos) And since the BB Chrono and Prince are quite vastly different - not even in the same model line, I reckon they'd be able to offer both for a time 😉
Wonderful design. Always loved it. Even if it lacks a bit of legibility. I'd buy it immediately only if 38, 40mm tops and 13mm thick (even less, if possible) . I refuse, in 2024, to wear a big block brick on my wrist. Also would appreciate the cyclops as well. (Age matters) Great content as always. Cheers
Thank you David! If they nailed the proportions (which would be a dream) AND included a cyclops for bonus points… ah, it would be excellent! BUT knowing their past track record, 42mm x 52mm L2L and 14+ millimetres thick 😆🥃
@@ID-Guy sad though...if other brands not so big could make it why not them. Absurd keeping those measures nowadays and charging so much. Anyway....cheers again🥃🥃
As always, great thoughts on this topic. But I have to honestly admit that I'm extremely bored with this panda or reverse panda dial design these days. The Omega Moon Watch has always bored me to death. I prefer to wear the Breitling Avenger B01 Night Mission in yellow or one of the Omega Dark Side of The Moon models. They are far more interesting than one of the Tudor chronographs. And if I want something really special, then it can only be the JLC Polaris Chronograph.
Thanks for another great insight in these watches, but after omega released that white dial speed master no other chronograph will come close to beating that this year 👍
I’ve eyed up vintage BIg Block’s on the secondary market and they look awesome. It makes total sense for Tudor to delve into their back catalogue and revive this model. Like you say, a test run for Only Watch makes sense for a general release. Love the renders that you did of what you imagine the Watch will look like 👌 The lack of a Snowflake hand is essential for true legibility in a Watch with this kind of sub register layout. I hope when I go to the Tudor stand at Watches and Wonders I see a Big Block chronograph in one of the cabinets. Great video as always boet. We must have a catch up call soon. I’ve just been busy preparing for shows as usual but, will make sure to message you soon. Big love ❤️
Interesting. The current gen Tudor Chronograph was announced was announced at Watches & Wonders 2021 and took over 15 months to get to AD's. So now that Tudor figured out how to deliver a chronograph, it is surprising that Tudor is already coming out with a new line of Prince Chronographs as if Tudor loves to announce watches that it can not deliver. Makes no sense but true...
@IDGuy-Tudor is actually annoying me now; They have such great ideas but because they want to devalue the product and make it a lesser version of a Rolex, they make very great compromises.The placement of the subdial already makes it a failure when compared to the earlier versions. I kindly ask that you go back and review the Tudor Fast Rider Ducati colored editions and see the design tweak that absolutely ruined it. They had Tudor at the 12 o clock position and left the dial entirely empty. They are very good are ruining an almost great product
Surely if someone wants a chronograph they'll go for a Speedmaster, El Primero, Daytona or even a Breguet type XX? I don't understand the smount of attention that Tudor receives. So many far superior brands and watches to cover.
Very nice take on “what’s to come”. Unfortunately, it will not shutter the boring glass box in which Tudor operates for a decade now. Probably the North Pole and the Monaco were the last visually creative watches in the line-up. Both gone long ago. In the meantime, we should be content with a titanium case, some shiny gold here and there, and a red bezel or something 😂
I normally like most of the new Tudor design but this one looks totally random. If this would be a 150€ Seiko quarz chrono i wouldn't notice it at all.
As an owner of the BlackBay Panda Chronograph, I am partial to the big block. For me the choice will be upgrading or not. As I really want to see if Tudor will update the Pelagos 42 this year as well as if they modify the GMT. The new Opaline dial is the one I am lusting for now.
It would be great seeing them flex the "Prince" name again with an entirely new series... Imagine the "Prince Diver" etc? And well said about them modifying the Peli and GMT (Think you're bang on the money with those) 🥃
It would be amazing. I always loved the Monte Carlo reissue but sadly never got round to buying one. It's the one modern Tudor I really like. The renders you put together are stunning (as always!).
I have been eyeing the older Tudor Prince watches the past several weeks so your video caught my attention immediately. Tudor bringing out a new model using older designs would be tempting if Tudor uses color on the dial & bezel to differentiate itself from the competition. I understand the need to move away from Breitling movements, but am surprised that Kenissi would test out a new unproven movement on the Tudor buying public. Judging by your tone of voice, you seem very skeptical on Kenissi launching new movements too.
Great video, as always. Love your channel. Wearing my Tudor „Small Block“ silver sunburst panda (79260) just now. Would love to see a new iteration of this beautiful watch. And yes, I hope, they will also go for a 39/40mm version. But the cyclops of the older models is probably a thing of the past. Looking forward to the new models at W&W - and your next video. :)
I don’t get why Tudor aren’t allowed to use a different style of cyclops. It’s terrible that they can never go 100% with any of their current lineup (before big brother tells them to rein it in) Thank you for this! 🥃
I am waiting for Tudor to make this watch. This will be perfect. No rivets , no black bay name and in-house movement. Great alternative for a Daytona. Great video.
id seriously consider buying one ..white dial , red marker tip ...especially if it has the t fit system .the main reason i let my bb gmt go , braclet adjustement
Loved this man. From afar, i can admire these renders.... great work... I'm still not hyped about a Tudor, but I'm sure I'll find one i like some day... On what you said earlier, IWC chrono is a really good idea, and i did look into it For now, I'm blown away by the Mark XVI...i have about a dozen straps + natos and it just works on anything i throw it on... and for the price, its just the ultimate field watch. It really is
I think the general consensus is that Tudor has put too many folks to sleep 😉 And man, I'm just happy knowing that through thick and thin, you have a piece that always seems to come back. It's always the case that we return back to where we started! 🥃
@@IDKline absolutely buy it.. the mark series is not appropriated, but to me it is the stealthy Explorer alternative, at a lot cheaper, and you'll almost never see it on anyone.. ever... even more reason to have one. A true enthusiast choice
@@ID-Guy absolutely. We'll said my man. You are a poet. This watch is a survivor for me. I sold it, it came back and I nearly sold it again after the frustration of waiting for the service... now its back, like my precious 😁 I'm sure if I threw it in the sea, I would find it on my doorstep the very next day... it deserves to stay
@@IDKline I meant its not appreciated... and the new one I find has lost a lot of the tool vibe, with the polished hands etc...I love the 17... that's a really quirky watch that most people just find odd with that date window. But I love it. It's different. A little red on the dial too.... great funky choice
I did! Have had the renders and ideas in a folder somewhere and still haven’t put it all together yet 😆 It’s gotta be done, right? Think I’ll put something together in a week or two 🥃
Ilia kvalito ne estas malsupera al tiuj grandaj luksaj varoj. La fortikeco kaj atento al detaloj rivalas kun la originalaj dezajnistsakoj kaj mi ne povas kredi kiom mi ?paris. ?i estas la perfekta akcesora?o por iu ajn moda knabino! Mi certas, ke mi rea?etos iujn aliajn stilojn kaj kolorojn ?NKUWAN por kongrui kun miaj vesta?oj kaj ?uoj!
@ID-Guy i dont mind the sub dials because they differentiate themselves that way from the daytona, and if the logo is placed correctly and the 3 o'clock, it won't hurt the eyes, the date just puts everything off and makes it feel squished. Otherwise, great watch, great renders, but not for me. If im gonna spend the money, it has to be perfect
If the Prince line comes back I would love that especially if they make a date-day with a linen dial. It'd make me fall in love with Tudor again. I wanted the Black Bay GMT for the longest time when I first was getting into watches. Tried it on and it was too large and too slab sided for my skinny wrist.
Thank you brother, there are few who take the time to notice 😉 I take at least two days to prepare a “script” of sorts to work from and that at least keeps the momentum going. Really means a lot to be appreciated 🥃
Chip off the old block...
What do we think about this Tudor Prince Chronograph? My take, at least the "Big Block" isn't another Black Bay ;)
Take my money!!
There's at least one of us out there keen for these 😉@@Fang_Peanut
I’m hoping Tudor will build a new line on the Prince name. There’s so much potential! 🥃
Just imagine how cool it would be for the Prince to come in as a Diver etc… I reckon it would be so refreshing! Well said Alvin 🥃
It’s too thk
All I see is Tudor neutering the Prince name to avoid a reduction of OP sales. I’ve handled many a Rolex, and none of them felt particularly high quality compared to their Tudor counterparts and to an extent, compared to micro brands. If they release a Prince in an Oyster case there wouldn’t be a great reason to buy the Rolex besides the brand name, which is somewhat why they made the Black Bay instead of releasing a near identical Submariner with that name and the same case, though chamfered on the edges and fitted with a 2824.
They gotta be real careful, but I’d love Tudor a little if they reissued the Prince Oysterdate with an engine turned bezel.
I managed to make a watch with a valjoux 7754, in a 38mm steel case, 100m WR, screw down crown&pushers, 13.5mm thick. If *I*, an amateur, can do it, Tudor should be able to do it too. Oh, and sapphire front and back.
It's the slab sided cases that always let the profiles down (hopefully they can tweak them) and thank you for sharing this! A 13mm thickness is sublime! 🥃
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Appreciate it brother! You should see what it's like here behind the scenes on a Saturday morning (always mad, always a rush) 😆🥃
I love having starting my weekend with a cup of coffee and a video from ID Guy. Cheers from Wisco.
Ryan, thank you brother! Have a superb start to your weekend! 🥃
Something looks off with the dial proportions on the Only Watch example - too much empty space compared to the originals. Pulling the size down to, say, 40mm would really make this look neater. I love the big applied shield logo that some examples had on the dial too!
I really hope they do they drop this at Watches and Wonder next month. BTW, great video as awlays sir 🙏
Whether it’s this year or next, this feels like something that’ll be around the corner soon enough 😉 Thank you brother!
Tudor have amazing chronos in their back catalogue. I miss the days when watch companies would bring out chronos, my preferred watch. Thx!
We just don’t see chrono’s often enough anymore. Everything has to be “diver” oriented but man… the potential is there! 🥃
Superb predictions based on solid research! Well done sir.
Thank you Doc 😉🥃
It's beautiful honestly. Nice video, I'll suscribe. 14 mm thick tho... not my favorite but the look of it is insane - I want one
It is a good contender for a return if not this year but soon.
Have been told by my contact that this year will have One spectacular release with other models updated , thats all folks.
I'm excited for this spectacular release! Thank you for updating us Ian! 🥃
@@ID-Guy Those were the words I was told. But very much open to interpretation , so will wait & see.
What are the guesses that it'll be an updated GMT? 😉@@omegafanboyian
@@ID-Guy I'm on the brink of purchasing either the Panda or Opaline Gmt myself. But am holding off for the new releases and getting less & less sleep as April 9th approaches lol.
Sorry, looks like a Tag Carrera. The gold looks cool, but the silver just looks like everything else.
RUclips has started giving me your livestreams when I let it keep goin during afternoon naps. Your voice is incredible and accompanied many dreams. Keep up the great work, hope you bring back the streams
AP may be able to get away with being a one model brand, but Tudor does need to broaden its (popular) offerings that are not BB/divers. Chronos are the obvious route insofar as if anything from Rolex is going to remain hard to get it’s the Daytona. My only chin-rubbing thought is that Tudor will be too big block, too Breitling if you like, at a time when slimmer and svelter (is that a word? 🤔) is the direction of travel. I hope it lives up to expectations! 🍻
Imagine this watch arrives with those thick specifications... I mean its polarising already with the 12,9 & 6 sub-dials but with an added thickness to the case and 42+mm's? Think it'll lose so many people before it's even off the ground 🥃 Well said Borassic!
Jm certainly hope this can come true at 39mm to 42 mm
Your renders are the most sound and logical design of what a steel version of the OnlyWatch Prince would look like... and that's why I suspect it is completely wrong! 😂
The design is just too close to the Daytona, and if there is one thing we know by now, Rolex will not let Tudor go all-in, and it will be nerfed in some way. The only way i see a standard 'Tudor Daytona' coming out is if it's 42mm, 50mm lug-to-lug, 15mm thick obscenity. If they don't just nerf it with size, I would imagine they will go with a colourway more like the Monte Carlo (original and discontinued modern 42mm in the blue/orange and grey/orange) or something equally whacky.
I hope you're right, but it goes against everything Tudor have done for the last 12 years, with sole the exception of the Pelagos line.
(Although I will admit, it does appear that very recently Rolex does seem to be loosening the reigns a little, with not only the Pelagos 39 but the BB54, so who knows?)
Also, if they do go with something conventional like your design, i would imagine that's going to see the Black bay chronograph discontinued too, they occupy too much of the same space, and they only updated those fairly recently.
Something in my gut tells me that Tudor themselves are keen for a change-up. The BB line has been around for a decade plus and maybe. Just maybe they feel confident enough to produce the “Prince” again - Prince Diver, Chrono and all the rest. It would be brilliant! BUT I’ve been wrong more times than right 😉 Tonnes of potential here though 🥃
Great renders! Definitely feasible! Question: do you think Tudor will ever produce a Black Bay Date? My “perfect” watch would be a Black Bay 58 Blue Date. Game, set, match!
YES YES YES! Cannot agree more. Been holding my breath for years...
Thank you for taking the time to create these videos..ingenious thought process as usual…fabulous results..🤞
My pleasure as always Giovan 😉 Really enjoy cooking up ideas (especially around niche watches) 🥃
I think your thoughts and predictions are well thought-out and highly plausible. I would welcome such a chronograph revival that doesn't ride on the very long, but worn out, Black Bay coat tails.
However, at the same time, I'm not sure it would be a watch for me. 1) in my earlier years of automatic chronograph watch collecting, they were nearly all Valjoux 7750 based and had the subdials at 12-9-6. I didn't know as much back then, but, I just accepted that was always going to be the case with more affordable automatic chronographs. As such, I think I got incredibly bored of that layout and don't ever gravitate towards such in my new(er) watch collecting days
2) I just prefer the visual weight of chronograph subdials to be more centered and bottom balanced and with 9-6-3.. or, balanced with just 2 sub dials at the 9&3.
There’s a reason why the 3,6,9 dials have helped define the Chronograph layout (from the very beginning) 😉 But anything to get away from the Black Bay line… I’m begging, pleading we see something like this. The revival of the Prince - Prince Diver, Chrono, Date… ah, there’s so much potential! Hope you’re well m’boy! 🥃
The Big Block was always ugly, not need to bring it back.
It's definitely an acquired taste, especially with those sub-dials 🥃
I’m not a fan of the chronograph sub dial location but my biggest take away was why not just buy an older model. The new model does not seem to offer enough difference to me but it’s biggest issue is tudors current chrono's look better.
One thing I find strange is all tudors chrono’s have a date function , but if you want a GADA style watch where I think it’s more useful you have limited and rather poor options.
It’s definitely not the first thing that comes to mind when we think GADA Tudor 🤣 Tudor Chrono’s… not anyones cup of tea by the sounds of it 🥃
Lets hope this is true. HUGE Tiger Prince collector.
I own thanks to you a Tudor Pelagos FXD MN23
The Tudor chronographs leave me cold. However something like your renditions might be of interest. Would love to see the Seventies colours. AKA Seiko Pogue vibes
And the FXD is still my daily for workouts and all the rest. Such a great, great piece ;) Tudor of the 70's... man, they have potential! 🥃
I don't know if this would be the winner they need . If they don't come up with something soon they should rename themselves The Black Bay Company.
Agreed, so many well said comments already how these watches don't inspire hope, and you're right 😆🥃
Too nice…Knowing Tudor, they will add something ugly, to it….like faux rivets or snowflakes hands
And or add both at once 😉🥃
It looks absolutely awful, horrendous big bulky something from the 1990s
Try as they might to give us something fresh 😆
I am glad you mentioned the Advisor. Tudor really should bring it back in a smaller case with a new movement. It would take everyone by surprise.
It would be fantastic to see it make a return. How would the masses receive it? Probably wouldn’t look at it twice BUT we’d love it 😉🥃
@@ID-GuyWho knows? Vulcans are priced at 4-5k. Tudor could easily match that price point, maybe even go lower. Alarm watches are rare, maybe because the JLC memovox had the market cornered for years, and it is pricey. More options at lower prices might interest more buyers. I would definitely be interested.
What the heck happened to the moon swatch snoopy video that you had up?
I saw the classic chronographs they did which were very 70s inspired looked fantastic. This thing does not appeal to me at all.
Something about those early spot colours of the "Homeplate" and "Monte Carlo"... so, so, good... Maybe, just maybe they give these designs a bit more of a boost (somehow) 🥃
To my eye there is too much unused space on the right aspect of the dial on the 41-42mm mock-ups, which gives the watch a “mall watch” feel. Like the movement isn’t sized well for the case. The smaller 39-40mm renderings look better. I was a huge fan of the Heritage Chrono and wish they’d bring that back 😢.
Spot on Jonny, so much open space around the dial (Mall Watch made me chuckle) 😉 There's potential for them to give us a 39mm with tighter sub-dials and all the rest but hey! Well said 🥃
“ right that’s the Big Block design redone …in house , tri compax , heritage intact …. Any final questions? “
“ does the date window match the dial ?”
“ not him again…..!!”
;)
"Get him outta here!"...proceeds to throw him out of the top floor window 😉
i agree that tudor styling from the past was much more interesting than the current offerings......i just acquired a neo-vintage tudor hydronaut 89190, very interesting unique styling
Yay…NO snowflake hour hand. Big win!
Right?? First person to comment how much of a breath of fresh air it is! 😉🥃
@@ID-Guy Right! They could sell so many more watches, if they lost that snowflake…(See: Ranger, 1926…)
We need new colors for bb54 and Pelagos39 amd also am update for the bb58... And if Chrono than thinner than 13mm!!
Tudor has a lot of work ahead of them 😅 I’m wondering if they’re going to expand the BB54 line especially. Do we reckon this will be another Black Bay year at W&W? Thank you for sharing your thoughts! 🥃
Does anybody else think chronographs are kinda just meh.
A lot of them are, I’ll agree. A lot of them are kinda “bygone era” too with their poor water resistance (even their function doesn’t appeal to the majority) There are a few exceptions though - wouldn’t say this one is THE best example 😆🥃
Great content, actually excited to think they might just break away from the comfort zone of usualness, they really missed an opportunity with the panda/reverse chrono. Slightly thinner, champered sides and not so stiff movement would have made it so good. Plus wearability was poor with the rivet bracelet. If they are to release another similar big block and actually take inspiration from originality, then the black bay range will remain in the shadows!! Here’s hoping for something new!! 😊
All we can do is hope that they themselves are feeling the BB fatigue and decide to refresh a new collection. Prince Diver, Chronograph, Prince Date… so many killer ideas! Thanks for this brother 🥃
If Tudor brings that chronograph formation back that could be the affordable Daytona a lot of people are looking for. Thanks Brother for the great video 👍🏽👍🏽
My pleasure as always to share m’boy (I’ve gotta catch up on today’s Escapement show) - man, think what they could do if the “Prince” line returns? 🥃
@@ID-Guy Always great to watch your videos and even better when you join the stream 😁👍🏽 can't wait for the good old days of live wrist shot streams. I think they will bring back the Prince on a bracelet and on rubber, maybe even use a in house caliber. I also think they will have at least 2 color ways to start the line. Have a great weekend bro 🙏🏽😊🙏🏽
Let’s not forget, Only Watch was how the Black Bay Ceramic was first introduced. History rhymes.
Exactly 😉 I should’ve brought it up in the video but didn’t want to over promise that we’d be seeing the Chrono this year (it might be a 2025 launch) Well said 🥃
They need to create a small and slimmer BB Chrono. It's the way forward.
Agreed, the BB Chrono needs some more attention (and some cooler colours!)🥃
@@ID-GuyI actually like the panda dial. The black one not as much. Anything new would need to be unique and cool. Like a green panda! But case thickness is an absolute priority for me.
Cool eh this will be a home run. Now imagine it with a 369 layout. Ooft
Would be awesome brother, them refreshing the “Prince” name, Prince Diver, Chrono, Date… ah, they’d open a new chapter 🥃
Will watch shortly man... update.. you'll be surprised to say the least. .. I went to pick up my IWC which had finally been serviced, with a dial replacement, very good full polish, and movement gutted out. It's like a new watch ..
I had already started having Omega regrets.. After a month, it just didn't feel right as a daily watch. I'm sorry to say... it is beautiful, it sounds great, the hesalite is gorgeous etc etc
Anyway
I'm sat here with the IWC Mark XVI on a grey nato, it's ultra thin man... the black and bone white contrast of the dial.. how did I ever doubt this watch?
The Speedy is on a shop display in my local watch store....
I have zero regrets
I think the underlying thing is you love a watch with Numerals on the dial (like me) - the idea of blending a Chronograph with a Field watch? Man... an IWC Chrono might be right up your alley! Variety is the spice of life 😉 Your Mk XVI is beautiful though. I think we're too fortunate to NOT have a choice with our watches today. But I know what you mean, try as we might, we just can't gel with a watch... fitting because my Black Bay video is going to be just about the same topic 🥃
I would rather see an update of the Heritage Chrono with an in house movement. It would be a lot more distinctive, unique and just colorfully fun.
I agree, especially with the choice of colours and dynamism, barely anything comes close to that distinct style of the Homeplate & Monte Carlo today 🥃
being a Chronograph and possibly being 42mm with 3 sub registers and being big... I like it !!
...but not as thick I hope
We just know it'll be 15mm+ 😉 Here's hoping they bring it down to 13mm's.. they have the potential in there somewhere 🥃
Looks great. Hope they make it.
Looks like most any Seiko to me.
Absolutely! IWC and so many Seiko's... such a polarising design (that I doubt many would be too keen on) but hey 😆🥃
I'd love to see a Price Chrono. Esp one with a dive bezel. But please Tudor, keep the lugs at 20mm...
My poor little 6.5" wrist is crying at the thought of a >14mm thick / 42mm case. On the upside, I could just get a 79180/79280...
Do you think Tudor are likely to keep both the black bay chrono and prince chrono (if they release) simultaneously? I don't know why but part of me doesn't see it happening. Hope I'm wrong though!
Looking back at their past track record, they have brought in newer models while keeping the older ones in the catalogue (like what they've been doing with the Pelagos) And since the BB Chrono and Prince are quite vastly different - not even in the same model line, I reckon they'd be able to offer both for a time 😉
@@ID-GuyGood point. Will certainly be great to have the prince line back on the roster. Great video as always, keep up good work!
Of any of Tudor's watches. I hope they reintroduce the Advisor. A alarm watch with a manufacture movement would be interesting.
Like how Vulcain has come back with such beautiful Crickets... Imagine? Alas, they wouldn't sell in bulk but man they'd look superb 🥃
Wonderful design.
Always loved it.
Even if it lacks a bit of legibility.
I'd buy it immediately only if 38, 40mm tops and 13mm thick (even less, if possible) .
I refuse, in 2024, to wear a big block brick on my wrist.
Also would appreciate the cyclops as well. (Age matters)
Great content as always.
Cheers
Thank you David! If they nailed the proportions (which would be a dream) AND included a cyclops for bonus points… ah, it would be excellent! BUT knowing their past track record, 42mm x 52mm L2L and 14+ millimetres thick 😆🥃
@@ID-Guy sad though...if other brands not so big could make it why not them. Absurd keeping those measures nowadays and charging so much. Anyway....cheers again🥃🥃
Big block, I'm over here hoping for a small block
A Smaller Big Block 😉 They could go two ways with this... odds are it'll be the bigger, the fatter than ever haha! 🥃
As always, great thoughts on this topic. But I have to honestly admit that I'm extremely bored with this panda or reverse panda dial design these days. The Omega Moon Watch has always bored me to death. I prefer to wear the Breitling Avenger B01 Night Mission in yellow or one of the Omega Dark Side of The Moon models. They are far more interesting than one of the Tudor chronographs. And if I want something really special, then it can only be the JLC Polaris Chronograph.
Thanks for another great insight in these watches, but after omega released that white dial speed master no other chronograph will come close to beating that this year 👍
Omega’s new Speedy is only like 5x cooler than these 😉 My pleasure to share as always brother 🥃
Great renders - let’s hope this happens. While very asymmetrical it looks so good.
I’ve eyed up vintage BIg Block’s on the secondary market and they look awesome. It makes total sense for Tudor to delve into their back catalogue and revive this model. Like you say, a test run for Only Watch makes sense for a general release.
Love the renders that you did of what you imagine the Watch will look like 👌 The lack of a Snowflake hand is essential for true legibility in a Watch with this kind of sub register layout. I hope when I go to the Tudor stand at Watches and Wonders I see a Big Block chronograph in one of the cabinets.
Great video as always boet. We must have a catch up call soon. I’ve just been busy preparing for shows as usual but, will make sure to message you soon. Big love ❤️
Interesting. The current gen Tudor Chronograph was announced was announced at Watches & Wonders 2021 and took over 15 months to get to AD's. So now that Tudor figured out how to deliver a chronograph, it is surprising that Tudor is already coming out with a new line of Prince Chronographs as if Tudor loves to announce watches that it can not deliver. Makes no sense but true...
@IDGuy-Tudor is actually annoying me now; They have such great ideas but because they want to devalue the product and make it a lesser version of a Rolex, they make very great compromises.The placement of the subdial already makes it a failure when compared to the earlier versions. I kindly ask that you go back and review the Tudor Fast Rider Ducati colored editions and see the design tweak that absolutely ruined it. They had Tudor at the 12 o clock position and left the dial entirely empty. They are very good are ruining an almost great product
Surely if someone wants a chronograph they'll go for a Speedmaster, El Primero, Daytona or even a Breguet type XX?
I don't understand the smount of attention that Tudor receives. So many far superior brands and watches to cover.
Very nice take on “what’s to come”.
Unfortunately, it will not shutter the boring glass box in which Tudor operates for a decade now.
Probably the North Pole and the Monaco were the last visually creative watches in the line-up. Both gone long ago.
In the meantime, we should be content with a titanium case, some shiny gold here and there, and a red bezel or something 😂
I normally like most of the new Tudor design but this one looks totally random.
If this would be a 150€ Seiko quarz chrono i wouldn't notice it at all.
It does give off that Seiko feel for sure, the more I look at it now the less "remarkable" it is, you're right! 🥃
@@ID-Guy Totally agree.
Thank you for presenting us, really enjoy your channel.
My pleasure to share as always brother and thank you!@@user-ji2hn5pe3n
As an owner of the BlackBay Panda Chronograph, I am partial to the big block. For me the choice will be upgrading or not. As I really want to see if Tudor will update the Pelagos 42 this year as well as if they modify the GMT. The new Opaline dial is the one I am lusting for now.
It would be great seeing them flex the "Prince" name again with an entirely new series... Imagine the "Prince Diver" etc? And well said about them modifying the Peli and GMT (Think you're bang on the money with those) 🥃
This would be the Tudor I would buy. Now, if they did this in Monte Carlo colours…… 👌
Would love to see them being back those original colours! Great shout David 🥃
@@ID-Guy I’ll drink to that, Slainte 🥃
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It would be amazing. I always loved the Monte Carlo reissue but sadly never got round to buying one. It's the one modern Tudor I really like. The renders you put together are stunning (as always!).
I have been eyeing the older Tudor Prince watches the past several weeks so your video caught my attention immediately. Tudor bringing out a new model using older designs would be tempting if Tudor uses color on the dial & bezel to differentiate itself from the competition. I understand the need to move away from Breitling movements, but am surprised that Kenissi would test out a new unproven movement on the Tudor buying public. Judging by your tone of voice, you seem very skeptical on Kenissi launching new movements too.
Am I the only one who notices the clasp is backwards on the big block renders??😂
Right?? I noticed while putting these together, their official renders were backwards for some reason 😆 Good eye brother 🥃
@@ID-Guy nice to know I’m not the only one😂 I really liked your renders!
Tudor as a company give me a sense of exciting things to come kinda vibe, I don’t know how to explain it, but they just have that mystique.
Tudor will reintroduce a modern big block with a Rolex crown and case back and add a 5-10 year waiting list 😂
Great video, as always. Love your channel. Wearing my Tudor „Small Block“ silver sunburst panda (79260) just now. Would love to see a new iteration of this beautiful watch. And yes, I hope, they will also go for a 39/40mm version. But the cyclops of the older models is probably a thing of the past. Looking forward to the new models at W&W - and your next video. :)
I don’t get why Tudor aren’t allowed to use a different style of cyclops. It’s terrible that they can never go 100% with any of their current lineup (before big brother tells them to rein it in) Thank you for this! 🥃
Would love to see Tudor offer this watch in Blue with Silver Subdials to break away from panda scheme
It would be better if they brought back the Monarch Chronograph,Fully auto this time,, but what do i know.
A new big block would be an instant buy for me.
It sure beats the typical Black Bay, right? 😉
Something that interest me is will Tudor, maintain the principal of being more affordable ? they already make an absolutely brilliant Chrono
If Tudor made a 39mm chronograph, that's not a black bay, I could die happy
I really hope they bring back the shield logo for their 12 marker on all models. Making them lumed would be sublime.
Interesting. The size, case thickness and overall weight could be something of a wrist canon but it’s certainly going to sell well.
I am waiting for Tudor to make this watch. This will be perfect. No rivets , no black bay name and in-house movement. Great alternative for a Daytona. Great video.
No Rivets, No Black Bay 🔥 Would be brilliant for them to rekindle the "Prince" line! Thanks for this brother 🥃
id seriously consider buying one ..white dial , red marker tip ...especially if it has the t fit system .the main reason i let my bb gmt go , braclet adjustement
Why would they release another chrono? Wouldn't that just cannibalise the black bay chrono?
I always enjoy hearing an industrial designers perspective on things. Thanks for the renderings and information.
Interesting ideas. I would like to see the Heritage chrono come back.
Now that would be awesome! Some mentioning the same about the Tudor Advisor as well… they have such a good back catalogue 🥃
Interesting as usual, having big wrists I never gelled with any of the black bays, 40-42 hopefully for this one.
This definitely will be for the bigger wristed (I think) and will live up to its name 😉🥃
Not sure if they’ll have 3+ Chronos at once. Unless they discontinue one of the current ones.
Tudor should put you on the payroll with these designs. I’ll take one in gold, thanks!
Loved this man. From afar, i can admire these renders.... great work... I'm still not hyped about a Tudor, but I'm sure I'll find one i like some day...
On what you said earlier, IWC chrono is a really good idea, and i did look into it
For now, I'm blown away by the Mark XVI...i have about a dozen straps + natos and it just works on anything i throw it on... and for the price, its just the ultimate field watch. It really is
I think the general consensus is that Tudor has put too many folks to sleep 😉 And man, I'm just happy knowing that through thick and thin, you have a piece that always seems to come back. It's always the case that we return back to where we started! 🥃
@@IDKline absolutely buy it.. the mark series is not appropriated, but to me it is the stealthy Explorer alternative, at a lot cheaper, and you'll almost never see it on anyone.. ever... even more reason to have one. A true enthusiast choice
@@ID-Guy absolutely. We'll said my man. You are a poet. This watch is a survivor for me. I sold it, it came back and I nearly sold it again after the frustration of waiting for the service... now its back, like my precious 😁 I'm sure if I threw it in the sea, I would find it on my doorstep the very next day... it deserves to stay
@@IDKline I meant its not appreciated... and the new one I find has lost a lot of the tool vibe, with the polished hands etc...I love the 17... that's a really quirky watch that most people just find odd with that date window. But I love it. It's different. A little red on the dial too.... great funky choice
I prefer this prince model over the BB…. good video
Thank you Bill! We may very well be in the minority with this one 😆🥃
Dude you promised a new tudor gmt video
I did! Have had the renders and ideas in a folder somewhere and still haven’t put it all together yet 😆 It’s gotta be done, right? Think I’ll put something together in a week or two 🥃
I doubt I could afford a Prince Chrono, but your renders are brilliant!
I definitely like this way more than the Black Bay‼️👏🏻
They look great, hopefully we (for me) a wrist friendly lug to lug. Great video once again. Enjoy the weekend.
We just know it'll be 42mm with a 52mm+ L2L 😆 Classic.
Well done !👍🏻
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That date just ruins the symmetry of the dial
The whole 12, 9 and 6 sub-dials are super polarising too. Asymmetry is definitely the name of the game with this Valjoux inspired machine 😉🥃
@ID-Guy i dont mind the sub dials because they differentiate themselves that way from the daytona, and if the logo is placed correctly and the 3 o'clock, it won't hurt the eyes, the date just puts everything off and makes it feel squished. Otherwise, great watch, great renders, but not for me. If im gonna spend the money, it has to be perfect
Man, an affordable vc 222 in steel would be amazing.
Imagine them actually making and affordable integrated model? Never in a million years but hey! Would be excellent seeing this OG in steel again 😉🥃
If the Prince line comes back I would love that especially if they make a date-day with a linen dial. It'd make me fall in love with Tudor again. I wanted the Black Bay GMT for the longest time when I first was getting into watches. Tried it on and it was too large and too slab sided for my skinny wrist.
Not a fan of this Chrono - prefer the black bay chrono
7:50, about to say, this feels like Tudor Daytona
It would be such a cool in-between for those hankering after (and will never get) a Le Mans Daytona 😉
Love your videos. Always so well thought out and well made.
Thank you brother, there are few who take the time to notice 😉 I take at least two days to prepare a “script” of sorts to work from and that at least keeps the momentum going. Really means a lot to be appreciated 🥃