Prayers for Trevor Brown and his family. Thank you for your service to this community. Prayers to the community and their firefighters during this difficult time
Questions for anyone familiar with the proper protocol in these situations: Why go into the house once the residents have been evacuated? Was there no external gas shut off valve?
To monitor gas levels. So when a home is filled with flammable gas, there's an upper and a lower explosive level. Anywhere between those levels, if an ignition source is in contact with the gas, boom. If it's above the upper explosive level, nothing will happen because there's not enough oxygen to support combustion; the mixture is too rich. Anything below the lower explosive level and nothing will happen either; the mixture is too lean. In order to remove the gas from the house that is full of gas, we have to pass the levels straight through the mixtures where an explosion can happen. The only way to detect where those levels are at, is to have someone monitoring it. And for an underground storage tank that's leaking, no. There's likely not a way to turn it off from the outside. We'd have to dig out the tank, and possibly siphon the gas in the tank into another, safe tank. All that effort would need to be done in a way that is intrinsically safe, so we could prevent an explosion. Anything that's not intrinsically safe can cause an explosion (i.e. cell phone ringing, light switch flipped, static electricity traveling between objects, etc).
The buried tank has a shut off, a small round lid is above grade. They fill the tank at the same location on the tank. 500 gallons is pretty normal for a 3-5k square foot house. It was standard for the builder worked for back in the early 2000's on the well and septic lots. The house had propane heat and sometimes a gas fireplace and cooktop, depending on options. The house will also have a shut off in the basement where the pipe enters the house.
@@OneSkiWonder Thank you. That all makes sense. It's just tragic that some method of of gas monitoring can't be employed from outside the house like some kind of remote device.
So many do not understand the importance of using proper materials when installing such tanks and piping used. Leaks occur over time in tanks but mustly in the piping which can become disconnecte, get dinged, corrode, etc without the knowledge of those who live in the area. This leakage can follow crevices below the surface and leak into homes and other structures, then without warning you have a situation like this. There are strict codes to gas piping and underground storage of propane which have evolved over time due to incidents such as this. Outdated installations wiith age and time can fall below the safety level needed to ensure safe operation. Once inside the home all it takes is an ignition source such as a hot water heater, furnace, even an arc caused when an electrical appliance makes contact to work. Its important to have equipment inspected and to monitor levels in the tank for unusual reduction. Watch for discolored grass and shrubs which can be a waring sign. Be alert and proactive regarding reporting odor of gas inside and outside. Don't take chances. If you suspect a leak leave and contact authorities. Don't wait.
@@DaisyDay.-zt1fl Propane is a “heavier than air” gas. It seeks the path of least resistance and in this case probably followed the piping from the tank to the home that exploded. Once in the home the gas “stays low” and sits until it is either evacuated out of the house with a non combustible fan, vented through open doors and windows, or ignited. Maybe it seeped underground through the septic or sewer line. The explosion could certainly cause other tanks to eventually fail. The smart thing to do would be to have the underground propane tanks monitored for leaks and or dug up and inspected. Natural gas is lighter than air and also seeks the path of least resistance. The air to gas ignition ratio of propane is anywhere from 2 to 9%. The approximate air to gas ratio of natural gas is 4 to 14%, therefore, propane would be easier to ignite, than natural gas once it enters a house.
If your underground storage set up is over 10-15 years in age, it's a good idea to have it dug up and inspected. Better yet is don't bury but install above ground and keep an eye on the piping to your home. If you have an older tank and you suspect it is suseptible, have it filled with water and discontinue use of it. As we see in this situation, propane and natural gas can be very dangerous if not installed in a proper working system.
@@mason5540 I know most people have electric stoves and heat pumps, but they could have been running their furnace off of propane, my parents have that at their house (though their tank isn't underground as it's illegal here). Edited: I looked up the property and you're correct, it's a heat pump/electric - but with heat pumps, depending on the area, you have to have a duel fuel one (we have fuel oil with ours) as after a certain temperature, the heat pump doesn't work. Ours is anything below 30 degrees F it switches over to the fuel oil. I would imagine it might be the same with this one as well, only their duel fuel would be propane. It also says that they have a fireplace, so that would make sense if they have a propane fireplace as well.
@@mason5540 they had a propane swimming pool heater .. and may have had a supplemental house propane furnace, fireplace, heater, etc... (electric heat pumps cost a LOT to run in extreme cold)
No way to inspect underground propane tanks. They should not be allowed. Any home with gas needs a gas detector alarm. We have and require smoke detectors why not gas alarms? The system is crazy not mandating detectors.
EVERYONE has a propane detector!!.. your NOSE! .. Propane companies add mercaptan to it, to give it its distinctive “rotten egg” smell .. propane is odorless.
I only have 2 Questions: 1) What actually triggered the Explosion?(Ignition source) 2) Why were maximum safety protocols not fully exercised to protect lives? i.e. why were so many Firefighters inside the home prior to a minimal manned sweep for occupants and venting of the built up gas inside of the home? Prayers for those injured and for the family of Trevor Brown.
God bless them, they were lucky. Here in Buffalo, NY in 1983 there was a propane explosion Shortly after their arrival, the propane ignited, leveling a warehouse, Five firefighters and two civilians were killed in the blast, and left dozens more injured. The event remains the largest single day loss of life for the Buffalo Fire Department.
Significant damage? More like completely atomized that house! Poor family & firefighter but thankfully the homeowners & their pets were able to get out!
I thought you can turn gas off even propane from the outside? Hope they explain further so more ppl are aware of issues or being prepared if they smell gas or experience a disaster.
Loss of a life, because of an underground propane tank leaking in the neighbors house !!! It's another, this shouldn't have happened dont they have to have these tanks certified?
That house sold in 2015 with what looked like all electric utilities. Stove looked electric in pictures. It said it used a electric heat pump for heating. I wonder if they added a propane tank because they wanted a gas stove, or a gas fireplace. Or maybe the propane was added a before the sale for a gas fireplace. Either way, it sounds like the propane tank was underground and leaking. This is a warning to everyone that you are responsible for these connections as the homeowner. Even for natural gas lines from public utilities, you are responsible for the maintenance, repair and costs associated with the lines connecting those public utilities to your house. I think that part your are responsible for is technically termed a "private" utility.
most likely the Propane tank was installed when the swimming pool went in... which by the aged looks of the backyard fencing and gazebo (Zillow 2015 photos) .. that pool was installed long enough ago that the underground propane tank was at end of life (i.e. ready to start leaking)
May this Unsung Hero, Firefighter Trevor Brown, rest in eternal peace! May God's Grace bring strength, comfort and guidance to his loved ones and colleagues left behind to mourn their devastating loss!! 🩵🕊
Why did the fire chief allow them to run into a home with a gas leak? These firefighters need to stop and take a risk analysis. You don’t have to go into a dangerous situation if there is no warrant, or cause for it.
Firemen had already evacuated everyone .. there was no need to risk anyone's life to spare insurance companies a larger payout. Hopefully all fire depts will learn, train and be safer going forward.
Police walk into unknown situations much more than firefighters do. But they don't get credit for the lives they save like firefighters do. They are condemned when things go wrong. When firefighters make a mistake there isn't public outrage. It's just a sad situation. Police also don't get paid to train everyday and sleep on duty. All Hail the Firefighters.
These problems don't just go away on their own. Gas leaks tend to become bigger and bigger problems if left alone. So firefighters need to approach to locate the source of the leak, so that the leak can be stopped and the gas can be expelled, in order to make the area safe again. Not so silly.
@firstnamelastname8060 From this whole video, the only thing you got was a way to make fun of someone that was obviously upset? I hope you find something with some true value to do with the gift of life you have been given!
Thank you for your service 🙏🏾
Prayers for Trevor Brown and his family. Thank you for your service to this community. Prayers to the community and their firefighters during this difficult time
Bless your soul brother ❤
Prayers for the family of Trevor Brown.
2:17 - thank you to that citizen for acknowledging the selfless heroism and ultimate sacrifice of the deceased firefighter. Good on that lady.
My condolences go out to this brave young man, and to his family. This from a father of an firefighter🇺🇸 So Sad........
Prayers and condolences
This is less than 10 miles from home for me. RIP Firefighter Brown 😢
2:30 - and also to that lady for her strong thanks to the firefighters.
RIP Brother....
Rest In Peace Trevor, and Thanks for your Heroism to save others, May God watch over your family always... 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Questions for anyone familiar with the proper protocol in these situations: Why go into the house once the residents have been evacuated? Was there no external gas shut off valve?
To monitor gas levels. So when a home is filled with flammable gas, there's an upper and a lower explosive level. Anywhere between those levels, if an ignition source is in contact with the gas, boom. If it's above the upper explosive level, nothing will happen because there's not enough oxygen to support combustion; the mixture is too rich. Anything below the lower explosive level and nothing will happen either; the mixture is too lean. In order to remove the gas from the house that is full of gas, we have to pass the levels straight through the mixtures where an explosion can happen. The only way to detect where those levels are at, is to have someone monitoring it.
And for an underground storage tank that's leaking, no. There's likely not a way to turn it off from the outside. We'd have to dig out the tank, and possibly siphon the gas in the tank into another, safe tank. All that effort would need to be done in a way that is intrinsically safe, so we could prevent an explosion. Anything that's not intrinsically safe can cause an explosion (i.e. cell phone ringing, light switch flipped, static electricity traveling between objects, etc).
The buried tank has a shut off, a small round lid is above grade. They fill the tank at the same location on the tank. 500 gallons is pretty normal for a 3-5k square foot house. It was standard for the builder worked for back in the early 2000's on the well and septic lots. The house had propane heat and sometimes a gas fireplace and cooktop, depending on options. The house will also have a shut off in the basement where the pipe enters the house.
@@OneSkiWonder, so you’re saying that before blowing up the house, the firefighters had to ensure the correct Stoichiometry existed?
@@OneSkiWonder Thank you. That all makes sense. It's just tragic that some method of of gas monitoring can't be employed from outside the house like some kind of remote device.
So many do not understand the importance of using proper materials when installing such tanks and piping used. Leaks occur over time in tanks but mustly in the piping which can become disconnecte, get dinged, corrode, etc without the knowledge of those who live in the area. This leakage can follow crevices below the surface and leak into homes and other structures, then without warning you have a situation like this. There are strict codes to gas piping and underground storage of propane which have evolved over time due to incidents such as this. Outdated installations wiith age and time can fall below the safety level needed to ensure safe operation. Once inside the home all it takes is an ignition source such as a hot water heater, furnace, even an arc caused when an electrical appliance makes contact to work. Its important to have equipment inspected and to monitor levels in the tank for unusual reduction. Watch for discolored grass and shrubs which can be a waring sign. Be alert and proactive regarding reporting odor of gas inside and outside. Don't take chances. If you suspect a leak leave and contact authorities. Don't wait.
@@DaisyDay.-zt1fl Propane is a “heavier than air” gas. It seeks the path of least resistance and in this case probably followed the piping from the tank to the home that exploded. Once in the home the gas “stays low” and sits until it is either evacuated out of the house with a non combustible fan, vented through open doors and windows, or ignited. Maybe it seeped underground through the septic or sewer line. The explosion could certainly cause other tanks to eventually fail. The smart thing to do would be to have the underground propane tanks monitored for leaks and or dug up and inspected. Natural gas is lighter than air and also seeks the path of least resistance. The air to gas ignition ratio of propane is anywhere from 2 to 9%. The approximate air to gas ratio of natural gas is 4 to 14%, therefore, propane would be easier to ignite, than natural gas once it enters a house.
Thank you!!
If your underground storage set up is over 10-15 years in age, it's a good idea to have it dug up and inspected. Better yet is don't bury but install above ground and keep an eye on the piping to your home. If you have an older tank and you suspect it is suseptible, have it filled with water and discontinue use of it. As we see in this situation, propane and natural gas can be very dangerous if not installed in a proper working system.
Why would a house that had an electric stove and electric heat pump need a 500 gallon propane tank buried in the basement?
@@mason5540 I know most people have electric stoves and heat pumps, but they could have been running their furnace off of propane, my parents have that at their house (though their tank isn't underground as it's illegal here). Edited: I looked up the property and you're correct, it's a heat pump/electric - but with heat pumps, depending on the area, you have to have a duel fuel one (we have fuel oil with ours) as after a certain temperature, the heat pump doesn't work. Ours is anything below 30 degrees F it switches over to the fuel oil. I would imagine it might be the same with this one as well, only their duel fuel would be propane. It also says that they have a fireplace, so that would make sense if they have a propane fireplace as well.
@@mason5540 they had a propane swimming pool heater .. and may have had a supplemental house propane furnace, fireplace, heater, etc... (electric heat pumps cost a LOT to run in extreme cold)
Did the tank itself explode or did the house fill with gas and explode?
No way to inspect underground propane tanks. They should not be allowed. Any home with gas needs a gas detector alarm. We have and require smoke detectors why not gas alarms? The system is crazy not mandating detectors.
EVERYONE has a propane detector!!.. your NOSE! .. Propane companies add mercaptan to it, to give it its distinctive “rotten egg” smell .. propane is odorless.
Those homeowners must feel so horrible about the firefighters death and the others injured.
God Bless you ❤️
Omg, RIP ❤❤❤
tears for those firefighters
They are sacrificing fire fighters...
I only have 2 Questions:
1) What actually triggered the Explosion?(Ignition source)
2) Why were maximum safety protocols not fully exercised to protect lives?
i.e. why were so many Firefighters inside the home prior to a minimal manned sweep for occupants and venting of the built up gas inside of the home?
Prayers for those injured and for the family of Trevor Brown.
God bless them, they were lucky. Here in Buffalo, NY in 1983 there was a propane explosion Shortly after their arrival, the propane ignited, leveling a warehouse, Five firefighters and two civilians were killed in the blast, and left dozens more injured. The event remains the largest single day loss of life for the Buffalo Fire Department.
Why were there Firemen in the house? Everyone was out including the pets. No one should have been inside!!
Because that’s what firefighters do! To go in when others run out!
Significant damage? More like completely atomized that house! Poor family & firefighter but thankfully the homeowners & their pets were able to get out!
I thought you can turn gas off even propane from the outside? Hope they explain further so more ppl are aware of issues or being prepared if they smell gas or experience a disaster.
Loss of a life, because of an underground propane tank leaking in the neighbors house !!! It's another, this shouldn't have happened dont they have to have these tanks certified?
What set it off if this house was total electric?
Where are people seeing it's totally electric? I haven't read that. Many houses run off of propane furnaces.
I read it yesterday and that tank’s purpose was for a hot tube.
@@jeffnwv3976 Swimming Pool and Hot tub heaters... even then, 500gal is large... might have had supplemental propane heating in the house too.
That house sold in 2015 with what looked like all electric utilities. Stove looked electric in pictures. It said it used a electric heat pump for heating. I wonder if they added a propane tank because they wanted a gas stove, or a gas fireplace. Or maybe the propane was added a before the sale for a gas fireplace.
Either way, it sounds like the propane tank was underground and leaking. This is a warning to everyone that you are responsible for these connections as the homeowner. Even for natural gas lines from public utilities, you are responsible for the maintenance, repair and costs associated with the lines connecting those public utilities to your house. I think that part your are responsible for is technically termed a "private" utility.
most likely the Propane tank was installed when the swimming pool went in... which by the aged looks of the backyard fencing and gazebo (Zillow 2015 photos) .. that pool was installed long enough ago that the underground propane tank was at end of life (i.e. ready to start leaking)
Don't call blessings what dirty was build.
If you smell gas, and everyone is out of the house, why would you not evacuate yourself? Now your wife is a widow and your children are fatherless.
RIP Brother. :( We'll take it from here.
May this Unsung Hero, Firefighter Trevor Brown, rest in eternal peace! May God's Grace bring strength, comfort and guidance to his loved ones and colleagues left behind to mourn their devastating loss!! 🩵🕊
Why did the fire chief allow them to run into a home with a gas leak? These firefighters need to stop and take a risk analysis. You don’t have to go into a dangerous situation if there is no warrant, or cause for it.
Firemen had already evacuated everyone .. there was no need to risk anyone's life to spare insurance companies a larger payout. Hopefully all fire depts will learn, train and be safer going forward.
people standing around filming are disgusting
😢
Police walk into unknown situations much more than firefighters do. But they don't get credit for the lives they save like firefighters do. They are condemned when things go wrong. When firefighters make a mistake there isn't public outrage. It's just a sad situation. Police also don't get paid to train everyday and sleep on duty. All Hail the Firefighters.
That ones on the gas company.
it was a propane tank/lines that belonged to the homeowner .. it's on them
Stop using gas in buildings. Electricity is safer.
IF IS THE SMELL OF GAS... WHY TO APPROACH? SILLY!
These problems don't just go away on their own. Gas leaks tend to become bigger and bigger problems if left alone. So firefighters need to approach to locate the source of the leak, so that the leak can be stopped and the gas can be expelled, in order to make the area safe again. Not so silly.
gas should be turned off upstream. @@OneSkiWonder
00:47 WTF?????
Firefighters trapped calling out Mayday Mayday on their radio
I could have listened to that 10,000 times and never heard mayday out of that. It's kind of a goofy way to edit a news clip.
@@patrickkilian515 yea I saw this the night it happened on another channel you could make out what he was saying much clearer
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻♥️🚒
"It sounded like, and felt like, a big boom".
Absolutely brilliant...
if she was 3 weeks old.
'sharp as a tack!'
@firstnamelastname8060 From this whole video, the only thing you got was a way to make fun of someone that was obviously upset? I hope you find something with some true value to do with the gift of life you have been given!