Thank you so much. It does my heart good to know there are such sincere spiritual people out there such as yourself. I am reminded of the prophecy made by Orson F. Whitney who said that this people would pursue after the things of Babylon and they would fall with Babylon. But there would be a people within the heart's core of this people who would push spiritual matters to the front. God has promised us that if we cleanse our minds and our bodies of iniquity, he would preserve us during the coming tribulations, which are now so very near. Only those who know for themselves that Jesus is the Christ will be able to stand. As for me, I am a sinner and a nobody. When I look back on my life and the years I where I gave little thought to the things of God, and when I often gave way to carnal thoughts and the things of this world, and my past sins, it makes me feel so very low. God said that where much is given, much is expected. I have been given knowledge, and have not done my best over the years to put out that which I have received. So maybe this channel will help remedy some of that. Thank you again.
That's why we have KJV and NKJV if needed, Mark 16 is most certainly there, if even one verified copy exist it was added. The problem is a summary of the Bible is made and can be put above the Bible, there are a few creeds made but they point out that it is a summary and interpretation of the Bible but is not above it. The problem I seem to see in most Christians around me is they seem to stop at Justification and never make it to Sanctification (we at my church call this fire insurance). The biggest problem is no one wants to talk about their thoughts or beliefs and in fact become angry that someone even brought it up, but as Christians we should gladly share our beliefs. Now if it is salvation you wish to know then I will say first you need to understand that we are all sinners and fall short in the eyes of God. Second Jesus has taken all our sin(the wage of sin is death) and has died for us(imagine a lamb sacrifice in the old testament, but he is perfect so he only needed to die once and covered everything, including making unclean foods clean(example:we can eat shrimp now)) and by dying for us we have both obtained mercy and grace from our Heavenly Father God.(Mercy: not being given what we do deserve (Hell). Grace: being given what we don't deserve(Heaven)). Now all of this above is Justification (J for Jesus) After that is Sanctification (S for Holy Spirit)this is only possible after being saved(Justification), and is the walk through your life trying to get closer to God,it is here also that Baptism is possible, because without Jesus your just being dunked in water. Now we must remember the Bible is merely a tool, and is not to be praised (some people accidentally fall into a problem of worshiping the Bible) but to be a way we can all understand and share the word, as well as compare,the Bible itself tells us it checks itself so go ahead and ask questions it has nothing to hide and everything is verified. In short Sanctification is your whole life after being saved(before being saved is not counted against you but is forgiven of ignorance) (Paul said it best in 1 Timothy 1:12-17) Finally there is Glorification(G for God): this is after all is said and done and we kick the bucket, we go to heaven where we can then glorify God on a whole new level. You see even as we try we still come up short , and then sin and needs get in the way(work,hunger,thirst, temptations,life,etc.), but all of that is left at the gate so that we may worship without worry or need. We may not know what it's like other than endless light with no shade, but we do get a practice run in our Sanctification process. Basically the way I see it is after Justification, we are saved and we start on Sanctification and learn how to live for God which we will always wish we could have done better, but then after that we can glorify God fully without fearing time, or distractions. I hope this helps clear some things up. As I have said I am happy to share my beliefs,much like a kid on Christmas being asked what he has been given and you see a big smile grow on their face as they go to tell you.
Thank you. I have seen things like that myself, where people get angry if some uncomfortable subject is brought up. People follow leaders because they do not want to think for themselves. Whether those leaders be over churches or even if they are college professors. The one thing that nobody wants in their lives is God. Like you say: "without Jesus your just being dunked in water." That is why the Apostle Paul taught us, that all things must be done with authority from heaven and not from man. "And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron." Hebrews 5:4. Of course Aaron was called by revelation, where Moses was commanded to ordain Aaron to the Priesthood. To observe the ancient requirement that God himself picks the leaders of the Church is to insure that false teachers do not lead the Church. But nobody wants that. Nobody wants God himself to be involved in their Church. The Church is one place where God is not welcome. Nobody wants to be united as one, as Jesus exorted us. Nobody wants the gifts of God promised in Mark 16 either. They would rather believe that was added later, because those gifts are just too weird to be acceptable in this day and age. " O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.." Isaiah 3:12
Well it was after verse 8 that was in question but it is important because without it, the disciples are in the and it ends, 9-13 Jesus shows himself to them,and 14-18 Jesus comes onto the eleven and they then saw that Jesus was really alive,and 19-20 Jesus ascended to heaven. Now I'm not sure on how many Christians choose to read that one but I know at PCC (Pensacola Christian College) they actually had entire lessons saying that you can't skip it for the reasons above. There are different translations and they are written for different intents, me personally I prefer KJV. Now if I had to say, I would say I am as the blind man who was given sight in John 9:25, meaning only recently have I been learning about all the differences that there between different denominations and close religions in fact, Sunday we was learning that all that really matters is the core, what did Jesus do and who he was, we was told there won't just be Baptist in Heaven but other dominations, it matters not of good works for none are good but God, and no ones sin or good works combined will ever outweigh Jesus this is the new covenant from God since the old one was fulfilled (that is why it is called the new testament). I feel as though most people who get mad do not understand it and therefore they are unable to talk about it and so they would rather either just be told about it or just assume they got it right the first time. I thank you for the time you give to have a calm conversation,it is good to discuss even if outside of the core that is Jesus it becomes less important, such as when is the rapture, not really important if you have Jesus, it's like asking how do I die and when. I thank you again for your time
I have a firm and strong testimony of the Book of Mormon and of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. For I have received a powerful confirmation of the truthfulness of these things from the Holy Ghost. And the Holy Ghost gave it to me in such a profound way that I cannot deny it; wherefore, I know that the Book of Mormon and this church is true. It is no longer a matter of belief for me, but a matter of knowledge. And it was the Holy Spirit of God that gave me this knowledge, which is also known as the Spirit of Truth; wherefore, he cannot lie. And also God cannot lie. It is the Devil that lies and he is sure spinning an intricate web of lies over this whole world, especially about the Book of Mormon and this church because the Devil doesn't want people to know that they are true, for it would destroy his kingdom. However, it is getting so bad now that the Devil is starting to tear the Bible down as well! I pray that more of the people of this world will finally see through the Devil's lies, and align themselves with Jesus Christ and accept Him as their Lord and Savior, and start living His gospel law, so that they may be saved. I also pray that more people will come to know Jesus Christ personally and have a close relationship with Him. And finally, I pray that they will come to know that the Book of Mormon is true and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the true church of God that has been restored on the earth for these latter days. I seal my testimony in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
Thank you for that Testimony. I feel the same way. It is just so perfect, all of the known unalterable facts in the world are in complete harmony with it. No other religion or philosophy can say that. At some point you stop merely believing because it becomes written on your heart. At the same time it conflicts with the opinions and almost everybody, and everybody hates it. Just like this latest movement among Christians to dismiss the ending of Mark 16 because they are too uncomfortable with it.
@@waitingvoice8391 That moment with God was this: I was born into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints but had fallen away from the church when I was a teenager; I was about 15-16 years old. I started to disbelieve all that I had been taught because I was listening more to the voice of Satan more than God. He got me to think that God wasn't real and that there wasn't any Devil. And, at that time, he got me to believe that we were created by aliens who visited earth a long time ago. This was before the show Ancient Aliens, which is interesting because they are trying to teach what I had so foolishly believed a long time ago and which led me down a dark path. Anyway, I started to think that I didn't need the church and that it wasn't true, and that God and the Devil were not real. So I rebelled against God and fell away from the church for a long time. And because of that, I fell into a really dark place and fell deeper into an addiction that started since I was twelve, which helped Satan get more power over me and my thoughts. All that I am going to say is that the addiction was pornography and leave it at that. Anyway, this went on for a long time until I turned 20-21. At this time, my mother had just remarried, and I moved in with her and my new stepdad to get to know him better. As soon as I moved in, and when Sunday came around, my mother started to invite me to come to church. The first few times, I kept saying no; but she wouldn't stop and I started getting irritated. Finally, after like the tenth time she invited me to come to church when another Sunday rolled around, I got so irritated that I started to reason in my head that if I just go this once, then maybe she will get off my back about it. This was my mindset at the time. So I told her, "Fine, I will go," and I went. As soon as I walked through the foyer doors, I started to feel something inside of me that I had never felt before and it started to grow gradually; when I started walking closer to the chapel doors, it grew stronger and stronger. When I opened the chapel doors, that is when things went into maximum overdrive because that feeling inside me became so strong that I stopped walking and just stood there by the doors. As I was standing still, I all of sudden felt this most powerful and profound presence envelope me and fill me with such powerful emotions of love and joy. And these feelings flowed into me so much that my heart felt like it was about to burst. The best way that I can describe it is that it felt like the Holy Ghost ran up to me and gave me a powerful divine hug and then went inside of me and filled me with love and joy to the point that I felt like I was about to burst. Then thoughts came into my head, which said, "Welcome home; I am so happy that you are here! You are in the right place! I love you, and am pleased that you are here!" It was like my thoughts were speaking to me. And that is when I realized that these are not my thoughts, but someone else speaking to me in my head! The Holy Ghost was speaking to me! I also strongly believe that not only was the Holy Ghost there, but that all the members of the Godhead were there; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. It felt like a divine welcome home party. Anyway, when I realized it was the Holy Ghost giving me this message in my head, that they are happy that I am there, that is when I had the thought of, "Maybe this church is true and that there is a God." As soon as I had this thought, the Holy Ghost gave me a confirmation through feelings of absolute certainty that this church is indeed the true church of God, that the Book of Mormon is true and that it came from God, that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and was telling the truth about how the Book of Mormon came about, and that there is indeed an Almighty God; the living God. After all of this happened, my heart was softened exceedingly! I now know for a certainty that all these things are true and are of God. That was my moment with God, and also my spiritual confirmation. I may have been born into the church, but I was not truly converted to the gospel of Jesus Christ until this moment. Oh, I almost forgot to say that after I had this experience, I started going to church on my own volition; not because I had to in order to get my mom off my back, but because I wanted to. Anyway, I seal this story and the truthfulness of it, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 You are very welcome! After I watched your video, the Holy Ghost gave me a strong impression that I should share my testimony in the comments section; I am so glad that I followed that prompting! Satan and his kingdom will always feel uncomfortable in the presence of truth; for there is no truth in them. Your video shows that Satan is still trying to take some truths out of the Bible, even in these latter days, and it needs to stop. Anyway, your video was so well done and so true; I always enjoy them. Thank you so much for all you do and say in behalf of the truth, and in the behalf of God.
@@iowaguy6470 Right! This is Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heaven.” The desire of the Father is obedience to the Law. Christ never came to abolish the Law but to complete it. Just somethings I had on my mind haha.
Correct. Saturday is the Sabbath day and Sunday is the Lord's day, the day the first Christians met in Church once a week and held the Eucharist meeting.
The Bible wasn't one combined book when Revelations was written by John. These arguments are repeated without reasoning it out.Its seems the response to the Book of Mormon is an emotional,fearful respone,, least they should be convinced its true and have to face what they would do with that knowledge. That is how the BOM proves the person and their integrity. It is a great sifter.
Revelation 22:18 and Deut 4:2 puts conditions on mankind adding or taking from what God has inspired his Prophets to write, but neither put any conditions on God. Anyone saying these verses prove that God will never call a prophet after these verses is ADDING to scripture.
For reference, I'm not a Christian. I'm a messianic Jew. In context , the passage referred to in Mark is referring to "the torah", aka the law,, or also known as "the instructions". So, that somewhat supports the Morman's case. However, to be honest, I see issues with each and every one of the daughters of the Catholic church, which is obviously the mother church, also sadly referred to as the great whore in Revelation 17. Just look into Catholic church past statements on the topic for reference ,or do a bit of history searching as well. All true. The Catholic church changed some of the commandments, which includes the Sabbath command, and that is a big problem as the fourth commandment is the one that acknowledges ( when obeyed )that YEHOVAH is the creator. The seal of God is obeying the Sabbath. Reference Exodus 31:13 "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you", also Ezekiel 12:20. The word sign is interchangeable with the word seal as applied correctly in this situations context, and thus, it is the "seal of God ". In Revelations it refers to two groups; those who have the seal and maintain the commandments which obviously includes the Sabbath ( Saturday, the 7th day of the week), and also it refers to another group which do not have the seal, and are non commandment keeping. I take the time to point these things out because it is critical that we all obey YESHUAH ha mashiach ( aka Jesus the messiah ) YESHUAH is his real name. Jesus is a Greek pagan name. Thank you for your time. Shalom.
Good to talk with you. I largely agree with several things that you wrote. However I wish to throw you a curve ball on a couple of your points. Not to be argumentative or combative. I have always found my arguments become stronger with opposition, so in that spirit I wish to make your argument stronger with opposition. And I apologize for the long reply. There exists an ancient document titled the Constitutions of the Apostles. Let me quote from it: "XXXIII. I Peter and Paul do make the following constitutions. Let the slaves work five days; but on the Sabbath-day and the Lord’s day let them have leisure to go to church for instruction in piety. We have said that the Sabbath is on account of the creation, and the Lord’s day of the resurrection. Let slaves rest from their work all the great week, and that which follows it-for the one in memory of the passion, and the other of the resurrection;" Exploring early Christian Literature prior to the Nicene Council is fascinating. To First Century Christians who lost their Messiah on the cross, The Lord's day (Sunday) was a day of great celebration and happiness. it was the day they always met together to celebrate the Eucharist. I made a six minute video on this a couple of years back if you are interested: ruclips.net/video/VqoqcKeXYcM/видео.html Canon 29 from the Council of Laodicea in 364 AD outlaws the observance of the Sabbath day, telling people they must work on the Sabbath day and take their day of rest on the Lord's day instead. As for Jesus being a Pagan name I also have to disagree. I believe it was Justin Martyr in the 2nd Century who referred to Jesus as Joshua (God is salvation), so I understand the modern desire to refer to the Messiah as Yashua. But consider this ancient document: "Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him. Afterwards, John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon His breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia." Irenaeus, "Against Heresies, Book 3, Chapter 1. Late 2nd Century. So from this, we know that Matthew was originally written in the dialect of the Hebrews. But at least two of the Gospels (Mark and Luke) and probably John as well were originally written in Greek. If you study the roots of the original language of the Gospels, the sentence structure, cultural styles etc., such a study tends to bear this out. Matthew appears to have been originally written in Hebrew (Aramaic), whereas Mark and Luke were originally written in Greek. Of every ancient surviving manuscript or fragment of the Gospels, all of them use the Greek spelling for Jesus. The first Christians were Jews, and they were persecuted and hated by the main body of unbelieving Jews. And they found a receptive audience among the Gentiles. Peter and Paul and the rest of the Apostles brought the Gospel to the Gentiles in the language of the Gentiles, and they used men fluent in the language (Mark and Luke) to write the Gospels according to Peter and Paul. If the Apostles didn't have a problem with the Greek Spelling for Jesus, then neither should we.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Ah, a non combative reply. Thank you for that. I enjoyed what you had to say , and would love to respond. That response will need to be split up though as I am currently conducting important business, and can spare just a couple minutes right now. Maybe a proper reply later today when I am free to sit down and address your statements more thoroughly. So, for now as you are aware, messianic Jews are the original followers of the messiah, and thus it could be said that they were the original Christians before the name change that the apostle never really supported to happen in the first place, and I agree with him, but thats yet another topic for later. Till then, and thanks for your time.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Hi again. I have enough time to begin an crucial statement which needs some explanation. First , the Sabbath and " the lord's day " are one and the same day. YESHUAH the messiah died at 3pm on what we call Wednesday. If you like , i will look up the month and year in my copy of "The chronological gospels ". He was just barely gotten into the grave during dusk/ twilight @6pm. Sundown began a high Sabbath which has nothing to do with the weekly Sabbath.YESHUAH was in the grave for exactly three days and three nights, just as he said that he would be when asked for a sign by the Pharisee Jews , who , by the way, are the modern Orthodox Jews. He rose from the grave Saturday exactly at sundown, and not Sunday morning. Not good Friday to Easter Sunday. Those are pagan claims where the math doesn't even add up right. I can go into exacting play by play details if you care for that later. Secondly, it needs to be understood that, again, YESHUAH, a Jewish messiah for the whole world, came to fulfill the "appointed times" ( seven holy days which are often referred to as " festivals of the Jews", even though YEHOVAH said that ( these are my appointed times ), as they were always about the redemption process which YESHUAH would perform on our behalf. So these holy days are not about Jews per se, and they are not belonging to the Jews , but are about YEHOVAH/ YESHUAH. They are about the savior of mankind. YESHUAH died on passover as the Passover lamb. The following day( Thursday on that week) begins " the feast of Unleavened bread ", which represents being without sin, which he is. Friday was a regular working day , and Saturday is the weekly Sabbath. At Sundown Sabbath, the high priest and an enterouge of other priests ( cohanim ) would perform a ceremony related to the wave sheaf offering in which they would bundle sheafs of unharvisted barley. The cohen gadol ( high priest ) would then leave the others by going into seclusion in a man made cave/tunnel at the temple mount, then come out early morning on what we call Sunday which is the first day of the week on all calendar systems which I am aware of, and perform the wave sheaf offering to our heavenly father as a representation of the harvest to come.( the harvest to come is our resurrection). Finally, seven sets of sabbaths are to be counted out starting " the day after the Sabbath, forty nine days, and on the fiftieth day Pentecost would take place , the fulfillment of which was the holy spirit being given out. So YESHUAH fulfilled the first four of the "appointed times ", and went away on "a far journey ", just like he said that he would. He comes back after two days ( to him), two thousand years to humanity. Then picks up where he left off starting with " the feast of trumpets" which means all of the following; a calling together of the assembly, a call to war, and the anointing of a king or preist ( he is both ). Now when you read " at the last trump ", you will know what is really being referred to. Next is " the day of atonement " which you can read about in both Ezekiel 38, and Revelations as the great day of GOD amighty, which is an atonement. That being done , we finalize with " the feast of Tabernacles " which represents GOD living with mankind. YESHUAH the builds the third temple, brings the ark of the covenant out of its underground storage in the temple mount, which is his golden throne. 😀 HALLELUJAH ! ( praise YAH ).
@@tonysurber9111 I appreciate all the great information you provided here. We would all do well to better understand the culture and traditions of Judaism. Some of it is written about in the four Gospels during the last supper. But still I have one major disagreement with the idea that the Sabbath day and the Lord's day are one and the same day. So I am going to throw you another curve ball if you don't mind. Here is from the writings of a first century Christian who was born in 30 AD. His name was Ignatius. He was a student of Apostle John the Revelator. If you want to know what a first Christian really was like, well, here is one. One who knew at least some of the Apostles personally and was counted among their friends. "On the day of the preparation, then, at the third hour, He received the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen; at the sixth hour He was crucified; at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost; and before sunset He was buried. During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day(Sunday) He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection." Ignatius chapter 9 This is about as close to the horse's mouth as anything you will ever find. Ignatius also wrote: "after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord’s Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week]. Looking forward to this, the prophet declared, “To the end, for the eighth day,” on which our life both sprang up again, and the victory over death was obtained in Christ..." There are many more Christians who wrote similar things about the Lord's day. Even after the founding of the RCC in the fourth century, they still referred to the Sabbath and the Lord's day as separate days. Canon 29 in the Council of Laodicea which outlawed the Sabbath day, said people should work on the Sabbath and rest on the Lord's day. If I were to accept your contention that the Sabbath and the Lord's day are the same day, I would have to reject hundreds of years of early Christian writing prior to the Nicene council. How can I do that? Historical documentation is against what you told me. That is my take on it, and you can take it or leave it. Thanks.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Hey brother, you have every right to go whichever way you want to as regards anything, including wether or not to obey the word of YEHOVAH, or not.Thats why we are here after,all... to choose. That said , it is obvious to me that you are quoting from Catholics . There are no changes in any of the holy books. None. YESHUAH himself said that not one jot or tittle , basically dot or dash mark in the law would be changed , blah blah blah. What law? Torah law,The instructions.What you have quoted to me are the words of mere mortal men, who do lie. Catholicism has nothing to actually do with YEHOVAH. The Catholic church is factually the modern iteration of the ancient Gnostic mystery religions. The very system invented via Nimrod prior to the tower of Babel. She is "mystery Babylon the great". "The great whore who sits on many waters ". Every single one of the reformation fathers have been quoted as accusing the Catholic church as "the beast" and the popes as the "anti-christ " . Look it up for yourself . Nothing new here. That dates back a good 500 years to Martin Luther. Speaking for me, I was literally commanded to share the things which I did share, and no , you don't have to believe that. But let it not be said that I didn't take the time to begin to share the actual truth with you. And honestly, if you can not handle this small amount of truth, then expect your struggles to even worsen. The only eighth day I know of , takes place at the end of the millennium. It is a reference used by Jews regarding eternity. But remember brother... everything I have said can be verified as fact. I encourage you to do so. Verify. Test. Believe? Your coice. Shalom.
There's a lot of Christians who don't believe some Bible verses. For example, we're saved by repentance and baptism. Yet, many say it's not so. We're also to be baptized in Jesus name, not Father, Son, Holy Spirit. They believe in the false teaching of the trinity.
Question right. Are they called “believers” if they don’t believe all that has been written? It’s kinda silly to me how someone can say “ oh I believe but not everything.” Like I keep in mind these are brothers and sisters we gotta love and show the truth about these things.
From what understand is if they don't like the passage like this they ignore the passage and hang their hat on passages they agree with. In the case of all the passages that command baptism they toss them out or change the meaning and hang their salvation on the passage where Jesus on the cross tells the thief you will be either me in paradise, so in their rejecting of of the multiple passages of the requirement for baptism they and miss interpretation of the passage I mentioned the idea of just confess Christ and you are saved is preached.
You're probably going to point this out, but that verse in Revelation refers to the BOOK of Revelation, not the Bible. And chronologically, it wasn't written last, it was just placed last in the Bible, which is a collection of books. There's a similar warning in the last (Deuteronomy) of the 5 books of Moses in the OT. Surely they don't preach that all from that point forward should be discarded?
Yes, I know it does. Christians realize that too. But the problem is that is the excuse Christians use to dismiss the Book of Mormon without even examining it or being forced to think about it. . People hate being forced to think. Especially about things that are new and different and challenging to their world view. Everyone is like that. It is just human nature I suppose.
What do you Christians think? Do you agree with the contention of your fellow Christians and scholars that Mark did not write the ending of Mark Chapter 16. That because the ending of Mark 16 is absent from two ancient manuscripts of the Bible from the fourth century, that it was added after the fourth century? How do you feel about the gifts of God mentioned at the end of Mark 16? That those who believe and are baptized are promised to have signs follow them which believe? That they may heal the sick, and speak in tongues and survive being poisoned? Do you believe that? Or do such things make you feel uncomfortable?
My opinion is you should pray, instead of relying on your own intellect, reasoning and understanding; which is folly. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. Do you not know you have a wicked heart and lack understanding? Does your book not tell you that?
I believe wholeheartedly that Mark wrote the ending in Mark 16. I also believe wholeheartedly in the gifts of God. These things don't make me feel uncomfortable. The only thing that makes me feel uncomfortable as a follower of Christ is that Satan and his followers are still trying to take away truths from the Bible even to this day! This is alarming to me! These people always say, "A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible," (2 Nephi 29:3) and that we shouldn't add to or take away from the Bible; but then they turn around and say that they want to take out the ending to Mark chapter 16 because they don't believe that Mark wrote it! This is insanity! Jesus would call these people hypocrites as he did the pharisees and sadducees that were in His day! And they were sad you see! Anyways, I apologize if my words have offended anybody. However, this is how I feel.
@@zeldabotwlove I do pray. And I don't rely solely on my own intellect, reasoning, and understanding. I also rely on God and His Holy Spirit, which is also the Spirit of Truth. And the Holy Spirit of God, which is also the Spirit of truth, testified to me, and continues to testify to me, that the Book of Mormon is true, and that it is comparable to the Bible. And as followers of Christ, we should be uniting and rejoicing in Christ together, instead of tearing each other down, which I do not want to have happen here. I love you brother, and I do not wish to fight with you. Let us rejoice in Christ together, and let our faith and belief in Christ unite us. This I pray in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
@@Kaljor I agree, and love you as well, I just fear the doctrine goes against scripture in many ways. Just wanted to encourage you to put all your heart and mind through the filter of the Messiah, which you are likely already doing! May you continue in peace.
@@zeldabotwlove Thank you. I do appreciate your concern. I promise that I will always put the Messiah, Jesus Christ, first and I promise that I will always put my heart and mind in and through the Messiah. May you also continue in peace. I can't wait to one day shout praises with you to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, in the Kingdom of Heaven, and be united as brothers in Christ in this world as well as the next world. Peace and love to you brother❤
Am I being harsh? Probably. Perhaps you consider it hate because I challenging you to think and use the intelligence that God gave you. Something you hate to do. Especially over topics you would rather not think about. Know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
@@zeldabotwlove unfortunately, it appears your response is based on personal emotions on the subject matter, whereas Helm’s points are based in the written words of Christ and/or His apostles…. I’ll stick with that personally. Good luck to you though…
@@zeldabotwlove my apologies… I’ve reworded my comment for your review. I hope it better represents your response. Potato….potato. Nonetheless, I feel as though your comment back to me is a PERFECT example of one of the primary problems in society today (generally speaking of course). People listen to respond rather than listening to understand. Again, your initial response to Helm was to bring awareness that you “felt” as though he spoke from a place of anger or “hate”, as you put it, rather than to actually consider what he was actually proposing and to reflect on the evidences he put forth. I submit that the reason this is an instinctive response is because if a person does sincerely contemplate a new concept, and though they were to discover it true, this then would inevitably require a change or otherwise a paradigm shift. Unfortunately, people simply don’t like change, and so instead they respond instead of seek to understand where the other person is coming from…. Again, good luck with that.
I used to like if not love the Book Of Mormon and the LDS church. But there is teachings that come from the LDS church not in the Bible or the Book or Mormon. And looking into other things, there is too many things that don’t add up: Plenty of channels on here you could debate or make response too on these subjects. Smith made so many mistakes, he was clearly just wanting money, he tried to sell the word of God to publishing companies. Some Prophet? Then got it to stick and made money and then took over areas and married many. He wanted to be come a King. That would make him a false idol. How can you keep using feelings? That’s a wolfs one sheep’s clothing. Look at the cover ups the church has done, they are buying shares and making malls. To support the church and then after it really starts to fall. Look how many are leaving. As I said this is just some issues, why not make response videos to others? Edit: Also I tried to protect a LDS member from a drug user, and this person was doing slot of stuff. I said things I should haven’t and I don’t hide from that. But the person from the church went on to ignore me and such and we haven’t spoken since. I think they cared more about being “nice” and they were every full of pride, had this never wrong attitude. Hated it when you disagreed with them. Was internally a toxic person, but tried to be a nice on the outside. But that only lasted if you agreed with them.
It sounds like you have had a lot of bitter experiences in your life. My experience has been there are good people and bad people among all people, nations and religions. The one thing no modern Church does is invite God into their Church. Nobody wants to think about it either. They join a particular Church so a leader can do the thinking for them, and they can follow that leader without having to think for themselves why the things they read in the Bible do not happen today.
I would not say no church,or no one wants Christ, but yes in today's would there are churches that use Jesus as more of a mascot. But I have found a church that has small groups and discussions, most churches I went to have had this but it seemed to be that most did not say much during it, this has made for some funny times when asking questions because they did not expect to have a conversation but boy was they excited and even remembered our names
I just got a Tell you thank you always are such an awesome person to speak these words of God you
Thank you so much. It does my heart good to know there are such sincere spiritual people out there such as yourself. I am reminded of the prophecy made by Orson F. Whitney who said that this people would pursue after the things of Babylon and they would fall with Babylon. But there would be a people within the heart's core of this people who would push spiritual matters to the front. God has promised us that if we cleanse our minds and our bodies of iniquity, he would preserve us during the coming tribulations, which are now so very near. Only those who know for themselves that Jesus is the Christ will be able to stand.
As for me, I am a sinner and a nobody. When I look back on my life and the years I where I gave little thought to the things of God, and when I often gave way to carnal thoughts and the things of this world, and my past sins, it makes me feel so very low. God said that where much is given, much is expected. I have been given knowledge, and have not done my best over the years to put out that which I have received. So maybe this channel will help remedy some of that. Thank you again.
Are the words or lectures of Harry Baker available or in a book format?
That's why we have KJV and NKJV if needed, Mark 16 is most certainly there, if even one verified copy exist it was added. The problem is a summary of the Bible is made and can be put above the Bible, there are a few creeds made but they point out that it is a summary and interpretation of the Bible but is not above it. The problem I seem to see in most Christians around me is they seem to stop at Justification and never make it to Sanctification (we at my church call this fire insurance). The biggest problem is no one wants to talk about their thoughts or beliefs and in fact become angry that someone even brought it up, but as Christians we should gladly share our beliefs.
Now if it is salvation you wish to know then I will say first you need to understand that we are all sinners and fall short in the eyes of God. Second Jesus has taken all our sin(the wage of sin is death) and has died for us(imagine a lamb sacrifice in the old testament, but he is perfect so he only needed to die once and covered everything, including making unclean foods clean(example:we can eat shrimp now)) and by dying for us we have both obtained mercy and grace from our Heavenly Father God.(Mercy: not being given what we do deserve (Hell). Grace: being given what we don't deserve(Heaven)).
Now all of this above is Justification (J for Jesus)
After that is Sanctification (S for Holy Spirit)this is only possible after being saved(Justification), and is the walk through your life trying to get closer to God,it is here also that Baptism is possible, because without Jesus your just being dunked in water. Now we must remember the Bible is merely a tool, and is not to be praised (some people accidentally fall into a problem of worshiping the Bible) but to be a way we can all understand and share the word, as well as compare,the Bible itself tells us it checks itself so go ahead and ask questions it has nothing to hide and everything is verified. In short Sanctification is your whole life after being saved(before being saved is not counted against you but is forgiven of ignorance) (Paul said it best in 1 Timothy 1:12-17)
Finally there is Glorification(G for God): this is after all is said and done and we kick the bucket, we go to heaven where we can then glorify God on a whole new level. You see even as we try we still come up short , and then sin and needs get in the way(work,hunger,thirst, temptations,life,etc.), but all of that is left at the gate so that we may worship without worry or need. We may not know what it's like other than endless light with no shade, but we do get a practice run in our Sanctification process. Basically the way I see it is after Justification, we are saved and we start on Sanctification and learn how to live for God which we will always wish we could have done better, but then after that we can glorify God fully without fearing time, or distractions.
I hope this helps clear some things up. As I have said I am happy to share my beliefs,much like a kid on Christmas being asked what he has been given and you see a big smile grow on their face as they go to tell you.
I could most certainly go more in depth but I figured this would be enough to at least clear some things up
Thank you. I have seen things like that myself, where people get angry if some uncomfortable subject is brought up. People follow leaders because they do not want to think for themselves. Whether those leaders be over churches or even if they are college professors.
The one thing that nobody wants in their lives is God.
Like you say: "without Jesus your just being dunked in water." That is why the Apostle Paul taught us, that all things must be done with authority from heaven and not from man. "And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron." Hebrews 5:4.
Of course Aaron was called by revelation, where Moses was commanded to ordain Aaron to the Priesthood. To observe the ancient requirement that God himself picks the leaders of the Church is to insure that false teachers do not lead the Church.
But nobody wants that. Nobody wants God himself to be involved in their Church. The Church is one place where God is not welcome. Nobody wants to be united as one, as Jesus exorted us. Nobody wants the gifts of God promised in Mark 16 either. They would rather believe that was added later, because those gifts are just too weird to be acceptable in this day and age.
" O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.." Isaiah 3:12
Well it was after verse 8 that was in question but it is important because without it, the disciples are in the and it ends, 9-13 Jesus shows himself to them,and 14-18 Jesus comes onto the eleven and they then saw that Jesus was really alive,and 19-20 Jesus ascended to heaven. Now I'm not sure on how many Christians choose to read that one but I know at PCC (Pensacola Christian College) they actually had entire lessons saying that you can't skip it for the reasons above. There are different translations and they are written for different intents, me personally I prefer KJV. Now if I had to say, I would say I am as the blind man who was given sight in John 9:25, meaning only recently have I been learning about all the differences that there between different denominations and close religions in fact, Sunday we was learning that all that really matters is the core, what did Jesus do and who he was, we was told there won't just be Baptist in Heaven but other dominations, it matters not of good works for none are good but God, and no ones sin or good works combined will ever outweigh Jesus this is the new covenant from God since the old one was fulfilled (that is why it is called the new testament). I feel as though most people who get mad do not understand it and therefore they are unable to talk about it and so they would rather either just be told about it or just assume they got it right the first time.
I thank you for the time you give to have a calm conversation,it is good to discuss even if outside of the core that is Jesus it becomes less important, such as when is the rapture, not really important if you have Jesus, it's like asking how do I die and when.
I thank you again for your time
I have a firm and strong testimony of the Book of Mormon and of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. For I have received a powerful confirmation of the truthfulness of these things from the Holy Ghost. And the Holy Ghost gave it to me in such a profound way that I cannot deny it; wherefore, I know that the Book of Mormon and this church is true. It is no longer a matter of belief for me, but a matter of knowledge. And it was the Holy Spirit of God that gave me this knowledge, which is also known as the Spirit of Truth; wherefore, he cannot lie. And also God cannot lie. It is the Devil that lies and he is sure spinning an intricate web of lies over this whole world, especially about the Book of Mormon and this church because the Devil doesn't want people to know that they are true, for it would destroy his kingdom. However, it is getting so bad now that the Devil is starting to tear the Bible down as well! I pray that more of the people of this world will finally see through the Devil's lies, and align themselves with Jesus Christ and accept Him as their Lord and Savior, and start living His gospel law, so that they may be saved. I also pray that more people will come to know Jesus Christ personally and have a close relationship with Him. And finally, I pray that they will come to know that the Book of Mormon is true and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the true church of God that has been restored on the earth for these latter days. I seal my testimony in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
Can I ask about that moment with God? I really enjoy hearing about others testimonies
Thank you for that Testimony. I feel the same way. It is just so perfect, all of the known unalterable facts in the world are in complete harmony with it. No other religion or philosophy can say that. At some point you stop merely believing because it becomes written on your heart.
At the same time it conflicts with the opinions and almost everybody, and everybody hates it. Just like this latest movement among Christians to dismiss the ending of Mark 16 because they are too uncomfortable with it.
@@waitingvoice8391 That moment with God was this: I was born into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints but had fallen away from the church when I was a teenager; I was about 15-16 years old. I started to disbelieve all that I had been taught because I was listening more to the voice of Satan more than God. He got me to think that God wasn't real and that there wasn't any Devil. And, at that time, he got me to believe that we were created by aliens who visited earth a long time ago. This was before the show Ancient Aliens, which is interesting because they are trying to teach what I had so foolishly believed a long time ago and which led me down a dark path. Anyway, I started to think that I didn't need the church and that it wasn't true, and that God and the Devil were not real. So I rebelled against God and fell away from the church for a long time. And because of that, I fell into a really dark place and fell deeper into an addiction that started since I was twelve, which helped Satan get more power over me and my thoughts. All that I am going to say is that the addiction was pornography and leave it at that. Anyway, this went on for a long time until I turned 20-21. At this time, my mother had just remarried, and I moved in with her and my new stepdad to get to know him better. As soon as I moved in, and when Sunday came around, my mother started to invite me to come to church. The first few times, I kept saying no; but she wouldn't stop and I started getting irritated. Finally, after like the tenth time she invited me to come to church when another Sunday rolled around, I got so irritated that I started to reason in my head that if I just go this once, then maybe she will get off my back about it. This was my mindset at the time. So I told her, "Fine, I will go," and I went. As soon as I walked through the foyer doors, I started to feel something inside of me that I had never felt before and it started to grow gradually; when I started walking closer to the chapel doors, it grew stronger and stronger. When I opened the chapel doors, that is when things went into maximum overdrive because that feeling inside me became so strong that I stopped walking and just stood there by the doors. As I was standing still, I all of sudden felt this most powerful and profound presence envelope me and fill me with such powerful emotions of love and joy. And these feelings flowed into me so much that my heart felt like it was about to burst. The best way that I can describe it is that it felt like the Holy Ghost ran up to me and gave me a powerful divine hug and then went inside of me and filled me with love and joy to the point that I felt like I was about to burst. Then thoughts came into my head, which said, "Welcome home; I am so happy that you are here! You are in the right place! I love you, and am pleased that you are here!" It was like my thoughts were speaking to me. And that is when I realized that these are not my thoughts, but someone else speaking to me in my head! The Holy Ghost was speaking to me! I also strongly believe that not only was the Holy Ghost there, but that all the members of the Godhead were there; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. It felt like a divine welcome home party. Anyway, when I realized it was the Holy Ghost giving me this message in my head, that they are happy that I am there, that is when I had the thought of, "Maybe this church is true and that there is a God." As soon as I had this thought, the Holy Ghost gave me a confirmation through feelings of absolute certainty that this church is indeed the true church of God, that the Book of Mormon is true and that it came from God, that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and was telling the truth about how the Book of Mormon came about, and that there is indeed an Almighty God; the living God. After all of this happened, my heart was softened exceedingly! I now know for a certainty that all these things are true and are of God. That was my moment with God, and also my spiritual confirmation. I may have been born into the church, but I was not truly converted to the gospel of Jesus Christ until this moment. Oh, I almost forgot to say that after I had this experience, I started going to church on my own volition; not because I had to in order to get my mom off my back, but because I wanted to. Anyway, I seal this story and the truthfulness of it, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 You are very welcome! After I watched your video, the Holy Ghost gave me a strong impression that I should share my testimony in the comments section; I am so glad that I followed that prompting! Satan and his kingdom will always feel uncomfortable in the presence of truth; for there is no truth in them. Your video shows that Satan is still trying to take some truths out of the Bible, even in these latter days, and it needs to stop. Anyway, your video was so well done and so true; I always enjoy them. Thank you so much for all you do and say in behalf of the truth, and in the behalf of God.
All that’s left to do now is repent of your sins and turn to Jesus with all your heart ❤️
Saturday is the Sabbath correct?
That is correct. I'm confused why people attend church on Sunday
@@iowaguy6470 right because I’m pretty sure Christ was perfect and sinless. He did observe that command in the Law.
@@Yahstroops not many understand this
@@iowaguy6470 Right! This is Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heaven.” The desire of the Father is obedience to the Law. Christ never came to abolish the Law but to complete it.
Just somethings I had on my mind haha.
Correct. Saturday is the Sabbath day and Sunday is the Lord's day, the day the first Christians met in Church once a week and held the Eucharist meeting.
I know these things to be true,because I have seen each one happen. Mark 16-18 are true,just like the statement,He Lives!!
The Bible wasn't one combined book when Revelations was written by John. These arguments are repeated without reasoning it out.Its seems the response to the Book of Mormon is an emotional,fearful respone,, least they should be convinced its true and have to face what they would do with that knowledge. That is how the BOM proves the person and their integrity. It is a great sifter.
Revelation 22:18 and Deut 4:2 puts conditions on mankind adding or taking from what God has inspired his Prophets to write, but neither put any conditions on God. Anyone saying these verses prove that God will never call a prophet after these verses is ADDING to scripture.
For reference, I'm not a Christian. I'm a messianic Jew. In context , the passage referred to in Mark is referring to "the torah", aka the law,, or also known as "the instructions". So, that somewhat supports the Morman's case. However, to be honest, I see issues with each and every one of the daughters of the Catholic church, which is obviously the mother church, also sadly referred to as the great whore in Revelation 17. Just look into Catholic church past statements on the topic for reference ,or do a bit of history searching as well. All true. The Catholic church changed some of the commandments, which includes the Sabbath command, and that is a big problem as the fourth commandment is the one that acknowledges ( when obeyed )that YEHOVAH is the creator. The seal of God is obeying the Sabbath. Reference Exodus 31:13 "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you", also Ezekiel 12:20. The word sign is interchangeable with the word seal as applied correctly in this situations context, and thus, it is the "seal of God ". In Revelations it refers to two groups; those who have the seal and maintain the commandments which obviously includes the Sabbath ( Saturday, the 7th day of the week), and also it refers to another group which do not have the seal, and are non commandment keeping. I take the time to point these things out because it is critical that we all obey YESHUAH ha mashiach ( aka Jesus the messiah ) YESHUAH is his real name. Jesus is a Greek pagan name. Thank you for your time. Shalom.
Good to talk with you. I largely agree with several things that you wrote. However I wish to throw you a curve ball on a couple of your points. Not to be argumentative or combative. I have always found my arguments become stronger with opposition, so in that spirit I wish to make your argument stronger with opposition. And I apologize for the long reply.
There exists an ancient document titled the Constitutions of the Apostles. Let me quote from it:
"XXXIII. I Peter and Paul do make the following constitutions. Let the slaves work five days; but on the Sabbath-day and the Lord’s day let them have leisure to go to church for instruction in piety. We have said that the Sabbath is on account of the creation, and the Lord’s day of the resurrection. Let slaves rest from their work all the great week, and that which follows it-for the one in memory of the passion, and the other of the resurrection;"
Exploring early Christian Literature prior to the Nicene Council is fascinating. To First Century Christians who lost their Messiah on the cross, The Lord's day (Sunday) was a day of great celebration and happiness. it was the day they always met together to celebrate the Eucharist.
I made a six minute video on this a couple of years back if you are interested:
ruclips.net/video/VqoqcKeXYcM/видео.html
Canon 29 from the Council of Laodicea in 364 AD outlaws the observance of the Sabbath day, telling people they must work on the Sabbath day and take their day of rest on the Lord's day instead.
As for Jesus being a Pagan name I also have to disagree. I believe it was Justin Martyr in the 2nd Century who referred to Jesus as Joshua (God is salvation), so I understand the modern desire to refer to the Messiah as Yashua.
But consider this ancient document:
"Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him. Afterwards, John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon His breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia." Irenaeus, "Against Heresies, Book 3, Chapter 1. Late 2nd Century.
So from this, we know that Matthew was originally written in the dialect of the Hebrews. But at least two of the Gospels (Mark and Luke) and probably John as well were originally written in Greek. If you study the roots of the original language of the Gospels, the sentence structure, cultural styles etc., such a study tends to bear this out. Matthew appears to have been originally written in Hebrew (Aramaic), whereas Mark and Luke were originally written in Greek.
Of every ancient surviving manuscript or fragment of the Gospels, all of them use the Greek spelling for Jesus. The first Christians were Jews, and they were persecuted and hated by the main body of unbelieving Jews. And they found a receptive audience among the Gentiles. Peter and Paul and the rest of the Apostles brought the Gospel to the Gentiles in the language of the Gentiles, and they used men fluent in the language (Mark and Luke) to write the Gospels according to Peter and Paul.
If the Apostles didn't have a problem with the Greek Spelling for Jesus, then neither should we.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Ah, a non combative reply. Thank you for that. I enjoyed what you had to say , and would love to respond. That response will need to be split up though as I am currently conducting important business, and can spare just a couple minutes right now. Maybe a proper reply later today when I am free to sit down and address your statements more thoroughly. So, for now as you are aware, messianic Jews are the original followers of the messiah, and thus it could be said that they were the original Christians before the name change that the apostle never really supported to happen in the first place, and I agree with him, but thats yet another topic for later. Till then, and thanks for your time.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Hi again. I have enough time to begin an crucial statement which needs some explanation. First , the Sabbath and " the lord's day " are one and the same day. YESHUAH the messiah died at 3pm on what we call Wednesday. If you like , i will look up the month and year in my copy of "The chronological gospels ". He was just barely gotten into the grave during dusk/ twilight @6pm. Sundown began a high Sabbath which has nothing to do with the weekly Sabbath.YESHUAH was in the grave for exactly three days and three nights, just as he said that he would be when asked for a sign by the Pharisee Jews , who , by the way, are the modern Orthodox Jews. He rose from the grave Saturday exactly at sundown, and not Sunday morning. Not good Friday to Easter Sunday. Those are pagan claims where the math doesn't even add up right. I can go into exacting play by play details if you care for that later. Secondly, it needs to be understood that, again, YESHUAH, a Jewish messiah for the whole world, came to fulfill the "appointed times" ( seven holy days which are often referred to as " festivals of the Jews", even though YEHOVAH said that ( these are my appointed times ), as they were always about the redemption process which YESHUAH would perform on our behalf. So these holy days are not about Jews per se, and they are not belonging to the Jews , but are about YEHOVAH/ YESHUAH. They are about the savior of mankind. YESHUAH died on passover as the Passover lamb. The following day( Thursday on that week) begins " the feast of Unleavened bread ", which represents being without sin, which he is. Friday was a regular working day , and Saturday is the weekly Sabbath. At Sundown Sabbath, the high priest and an enterouge of other priests ( cohanim ) would perform a ceremony related to the wave sheaf offering in which they would bundle sheafs of unharvisted barley. The cohen gadol ( high priest ) would then leave the others by going into seclusion in a man made cave/tunnel at the temple mount, then come out early morning on what we call Sunday which is the first day of the week on all calendar systems which I am aware of, and perform the wave sheaf offering to our heavenly father as a representation of the harvest to come.( the harvest to come is our resurrection). Finally, seven sets of sabbaths are to be counted out starting " the day after the Sabbath, forty nine days, and on the fiftieth day Pentecost would take place , the fulfillment of which was the holy spirit being given out. So YESHUAH fulfilled the first four of the "appointed times ", and went away on "a far journey ", just like he said that he would. He comes back after two days ( to him), two thousand years to humanity. Then picks up where he left off starting with " the feast of trumpets" which means all of the following; a calling together of the assembly, a call to war, and the anointing of a king or preist ( he is both ). Now when you read " at the last trump ", you will know what is really being referred to. Next is " the day of atonement " which you can read about in both Ezekiel 38, and Revelations as the great day of GOD amighty, which is an atonement. That being done , we finalize with " the feast of Tabernacles " which represents GOD living with mankind. YESHUAH the builds the third temple, brings the ark of the covenant out of its underground storage in the temple mount, which is his golden throne. 😀 HALLELUJAH ! ( praise YAH ).
@@tonysurber9111 I appreciate all the great information you provided here. We would all do well to better understand the culture and traditions of Judaism. Some of it is written about in the four Gospels during the last supper.
But still I have one major disagreement with the idea that the Sabbath day and the Lord's day are one and the same day. So I am going to throw you another curve ball if you don't mind.
Here is from the writings of a first century Christian who was born in 30 AD. His name was Ignatius. He was a student of Apostle John the Revelator. If you want to know what a first Christian really was like, well, here is one. One who knew at least some of the Apostles personally and was counted among their friends.
"On the day of the preparation, then, at the third hour, He received the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen; at the sixth hour He was crucified; at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost; and before sunset He was buried. During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day(Sunday) He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection." Ignatius chapter 9
This is about as close to the horse's mouth as anything you will ever find. Ignatius also wrote:
"after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord’s Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week]. Looking forward to this, the prophet declared, “To the end, for the eighth day,” on which our life both sprang up again, and the victory over death was obtained in Christ..."
There are many more Christians who wrote similar things about the Lord's day. Even after the founding of the RCC in the fourth century, they still referred to the Sabbath and the Lord's day as separate days. Canon 29 in the Council of Laodicea which outlawed the Sabbath day, said people should work on the Sabbath and rest on the Lord's day.
If I were to accept your contention that the Sabbath and the Lord's day are the same day, I would have to reject hundreds of years of early Christian writing prior to the Nicene council. How can I do that? Historical documentation is against what you told me.
That is my take on it, and you can take it or leave it. Thanks.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Hey brother, you have every right to go whichever way you want to as regards anything, including wether or not to obey the word of YEHOVAH, or not.Thats why we are here after,all... to choose. That said , it is obvious to me that you are quoting from Catholics . There are no changes in any of the holy books. None. YESHUAH himself said that not one jot or tittle , basically dot or dash mark in the law would be changed , blah blah blah. What law? Torah law,The instructions.What you have quoted to me are the words of mere mortal men, who do lie. Catholicism has nothing to actually do with YEHOVAH. The Catholic church is factually the modern iteration of the ancient Gnostic mystery religions. The very system invented via Nimrod prior to the tower of Babel. She is "mystery Babylon the great". "The great whore who sits on many waters ". Every single one of the reformation fathers have been quoted as accusing the Catholic church as "the beast" and the popes as the "anti-christ " . Look it up for yourself . Nothing new here. That dates back a good 500 years to Martin Luther. Speaking for me, I was literally commanded to share the things which I did share, and no , you don't have to believe that. But let it not be said that I didn't take the time to begin to share the actual truth with you. And honestly, if you can not handle this small amount of truth, then expect your struggles to even worsen. The only eighth day I know of , takes place at the end of the millennium. It is a reference used by Jews regarding eternity. But remember brother... everything I have said can be verified as fact. I encourage you to do so. Verify. Test. Believe? Your coice. Shalom.
There's a lot of Christians who don't believe some Bible verses. For example, we're saved by repentance and baptism. Yet, many say it's not so. We're also to be baptized in Jesus name, not Father, Son, Holy Spirit. They believe in the false teaching of the trinity.
Question right. Are they called “believers” if they don’t believe all that has been written? It’s kinda silly to me how someone can say “ oh I believe but not everything.” Like I keep in mind these are brothers and sisters we gotta love and show the truth about these things.
From what understand is if they don't like the passage like this they ignore the passage and hang their hat on passages they agree with. In the case of all the passages that command baptism they toss them out or change the meaning and hang their salvation on the passage where Jesus on the cross tells the thief you will be either me in paradise, so in their rejecting of of the multiple passages of the requirement for baptism they and miss interpretation of the passage I mentioned the idea of just confess Christ and you are saved is preached.
You're probably going to point this out, but that verse in Revelation refers to the BOOK of Revelation, not the Bible. And chronologically, it wasn't written last, it was just placed last in the Bible, which is a collection of books. There's a similar warning in the last (Deuteronomy) of the 5 books of Moses in the OT. Surely they don't preach that all from that point forward should be discarded?
Yes, I know it does. Christians realize that too. But the problem is that is the excuse Christians use to dismiss the Book of Mormon without even examining it or being forced to think about it. . People hate being forced to think. Especially about things that are new and different and challenging to their world view. Everyone is like that. It is just human nature I suppose.
Would you mind telling me which verse, it's been a while since going through Deuteronomy, about a year or so in fact, that one took me a minute
Amen
What do you Christians think? Do you agree with the contention of your fellow Christians and scholars that Mark did not write the ending of Mark Chapter 16. That because the ending of Mark 16 is absent from two ancient manuscripts of the Bible from the fourth century, that it was added after the fourth century?
How do you feel about the gifts of God mentioned at the end of Mark 16? That those who believe and are baptized are promised to have signs follow them which believe? That they may heal the sick, and speak in tongues and survive being poisoned? Do you believe that? Or do such things make you feel uncomfortable?
My opinion is you should pray, instead of relying on your own intellect, reasoning and understanding; which is folly. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. Do you not know you have a wicked heart and lack understanding? Does your book not tell you that?
I believe wholeheartedly that Mark wrote the ending in Mark 16. I also believe wholeheartedly in the gifts of God. These things don't make me feel uncomfortable. The only thing that makes me feel uncomfortable as a follower of Christ is that Satan and his followers are still trying to take away truths from the Bible even to this day! This is alarming to me! These people always say, "A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible," (2 Nephi 29:3) and that we shouldn't add to or take away from the Bible; but then they turn around and say that they want to take out the ending to Mark chapter 16 because they don't believe that Mark wrote it! This is insanity! Jesus would call these people hypocrites as he did the pharisees and sadducees that were in His day! And they were sad you see! Anyways, I apologize if my words have offended anybody. However, this is how I feel.
@@zeldabotwlove I do pray. And I don't rely solely on my own intellect, reasoning, and understanding. I also rely on God and His Holy Spirit, which is also the Spirit of Truth. And the Holy Spirit of God, which is also the Spirit of truth, testified to me, and continues to testify to me, that the Book of Mormon is true, and that it is comparable to the Bible. And as followers of Christ, we should be uniting and rejoicing in Christ together, instead of tearing each other down, which I do not want to have happen here. I love you brother, and I do not wish to fight with you. Let us rejoice in Christ together, and let our faith and belief in Christ unite us. This I pray in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
@@Kaljor I agree, and love you as well, I just fear the doctrine goes against scripture in many ways. Just wanted to encourage you to put all your heart and mind through the filter of the Messiah, which you are likely already doing! May you continue in peace.
@@zeldabotwlove Thank you. I do appreciate your concern. I promise that I will always put the Messiah, Jesus Christ, first and I promise that I will always put my heart and mind in and through the Messiah. May you also continue in peace. I can't wait to one day shout praises with you to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, in the Kingdom of Heaven, and be united as brothers in Christ in this world as well as the next world. Peace and love to you brother❤
Imagine trying to explain this to Jesus, remove the hate from your heart, friend ❤
Am I being harsh? Probably.
Perhaps you consider it hate because I challenging you to think and use the intelligence that God gave you. Something you hate to do. Especially over topics you would rather not think about.
Know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 try to explain your points in prayer to Jesus today, and see how well you do
@@zeldabotwlove unfortunately, it appears your response is based on personal emotions on the subject matter, whereas Helm’s points are based in the written words of Christ and/or His apostles…. I’ll stick with that personally. Good luck to you though…
@@edgeprep I haven’t made an argument, I am simply suggesting for him to bring his argument before Jesus in prayer 🙏
@@zeldabotwlove my apologies… I’ve reworded my comment for your review. I hope it better represents your response. Potato….potato.
Nonetheless, I feel as though your comment back to me is a PERFECT example of one of the primary problems in society today (generally speaking of course).
People listen to respond rather than listening to understand. Again, your initial response to Helm was to bring awareness that you “felt” as though he spoke from a place of anger or “hate”, as you put it, rather than to actually consider what he was actually proposing and to reflect on the evidences he put forth. I submit that the reason this is an instinctive response is because if a person does sincerely contemplate a new concept, and though they were to discover it true, this then would inevitably require a change or otherwise a paradigm shift. Unfortunately, people simply don’t like change, and so instead they respond instead of seek to understand where the other person is coming from…. Again, good luck with that.
I used to like if not love the Book Of Mormon and the LDS church.
But there is teachings that come from the LDS church not in the Bible or the Book or Mormon.
And looking into other things, there is too many things that don’t add up:
Plenty of channels on here you could debate or make response too on these subjects.
Smith made so many mistakes, he was clearly just wanting money, he tried to sell the word of God to publishing companies.
Some Prophet?
Then got it to stick and made money and then took over areas and married many.
He wanted to be come a King.
That would make him a false idol.
How can you keep using feelings?
That’s a wolfs one sheep’s clothing.
Look at the cover ups the church has done, they are buying shares and making malls.
To support the church and then after it really starts to fall.
Look how many are leaving.
As I said this is just some issues, why not make response videos to others?
Edit:
Also I tried to protect a LDS member from a drug user, and this person was doing slot of stuff.
I said things I should haven’t and I don’t hide from that.
But the person from the church went on to ignore me and such and we haven’t spoken since.
I think they cared more about being “nice” and they were every full of pride, had this never wrong attitude.
Hated it when you disagreed with them.
Was internally a toxic person, but tried to be a nice on the outside.
But that only lasted if you agreed with them.
It sounds like you have had a lot of bitter experiences in your life. My experience has been there are good people and bad people among all people, nations and religions. The one thing no modern Church does is invite God into their Church. Nobody wants to think about it either. They join a particular Church so a leader can do the thinking for them, and they can follow that leader without having to think for themselves why the things they read in the Bible do not happen today.
I would not say no church,or no one wants Christ, but yes in today's would there are churches that use Jesus as more of a mascot. But I have found a church that has small groups and discussions, most churches I went to have had this but it seemed to be that most did not say much during it, this has made for some funny times when asking questions because they did not expect to have a conversation but boy was they excited and even remembered our names
These things I say is strictly conversational not trying to argue or disprove