It's more like this though... Dr Who fans"Omg they're ruining my favourite universe!!!" Star Wars Fans "First time?" Dr Who fans "Yes!" Star Trek fans "Welcome to the club were at 3 times..."
This episode was basically "The Master takes The Doctor to Gallifrey to show her a PowerPoint presentation that ends with a slide saying 'You were Adopted'." -Jay Exci
Something just occurred to me that's another hole in Doctor Who lore now. It seemed, from the old Hartnell episodes, as well as that bit in The Name of the Doctor, that Hartnell's Doctor was only able to steal the TARDIS because he was just an un-suspcious old man who was, thus, able to sneak past those that would try and stop him. Now, being the "Timeless Child", wouldn't The Doctor be THE MOST closely watched member of Gallifrey by those in the High Council? Like, wouldn't The Doctor be the LAST Time Lord capable of simply sneaking off, unnoticed, if they were also the single most important person in the history of the planet?
Pretty sure by the time Hartnell comes to stealing the TARDIS he'd already made a name for himself, remember Classic Who was taking the route of The Doctor being "The Other"
I'm a girl, I've watched Doctor Who since I was a child and it was my favourite thing in the world. I'd always get so incredibly excited to sit down and watch it with the family each weekend. The Doctor was my role model. Now the show just makes me cry in despair at how utterly ruined it is.
Same here I’m female and have been watching doctor who for so long that I ended up adopting the doctors speech patterns and now I just can’t bring myself to watch anymore of the new episodes it’s that bad.
@@jemimahorne7469 i never minded that the doctor was a male either and i dont think so much pressure should be put on the doctor's gender. i dont think anyone should care what gender or ethnicity the actor who is playing the doctor is. females can (and most certainly have) found the doctor (as a male) very empowering. and any minority can find the doctor empowering no matter who the actor is as long as they have that undeniably 'doctor' way of being and acting. the doctor is a character who is praised because of their moral choices and actions and anyone can have a morally 'right' conscience no matter their gender or ethnicity.
I feel like Steven Moffat wrote that line as much for himself as he did for Peter Capaldi. I got a similar feeling from Matt Smith's final monologue during his regeneration. It felt like Moffat infused his own farewell messages to each Doctor into the dialogue. He was a genuine Doctor Who fan and we know it's difficult for him to say goodbye to his characters.
Remember when the BBC showed "An Adventure in Time and Space"? An entire movie just about William Hartnell, how much being the Doctor meant to him, and how much love was put into the show by the cast and crew? Thanks Chibnall for taking a dump on that entire thing.
I loved that film....and the current drivvel is stabbing Mr Hartnell in the back...and shitting on his legacy. I so hope Chibi gets his ass kicked out forever.
A lot of crew members on the show are fans since childhood. Imagine being a cameraman having to film the destruction of your beloved show, like a snuff film.
An Adventure in Time and Space was easily Mark Gatiss' best work on Doctor Who. His actual episodes aren't particularly good - granted, when he's acting in them, he's great but as a screenwriter, he's nothing special - but that docudrama about William Hartnell is a masterpiece. And David Bradley was brilliant. He captured the gruff side of Hartnell but also delivered some very poignant moments which were devastating to watch. He somehow managed to make Hartnell's "I don't want to go" even more heartbreaking than when David Tennant delivered the exact same line.
I discovered doctor who in 2019, fell in love with it, watched all episodes all seasons in 1.5 month, and ended up hating the last 2 seasons. Absolute insult to such an amazing show
I relate to the Doctor despite being a teenage brown girl and want to become like him because the message of the show was that you are who you are based on your choices morals and personality, that you're special by choice not birth. This 1-hour long episode destroyed an intricate story crafted over decades and killed the feelings thousands of fans had for this intergalactic 'Madman with a time travelling box, a screwdriver and a will to help'. Diversity is definitely important but a decent character with value and a personality is more important what they're doing now is stuffing ''equality'' down our throats and expect us to adore idiots with no substance. A female doctor is actually very interesting, there could have been a funny story about the Doctor trying to figure stuff out as a woman and forgetting that she isn't a man anymore. Every regeneration brought a new Doctor who added something to the mythic story and this evergrowing character but 13 has destroyed everything her past selves have done rendering these beloved Doctors useless ALSO Donna can kick the butts of all three of these cardboard cutouts of sidekicks in her wedding dress
i agree completely, i wanted to see a woman doctor since when matt smith touched his hair and said : i am a girl!, i wanted to see exactly that, but christ, all that woke thing gives a bad taste on the mouth, and the timeless child arc is just a bad dream for me, no one could let that terrible thing pass.
Donna Noble fucking rules! Best companion ever! She never took any shit from The Doctor and saved his life multiple times. If ever we were to get a REAL female Time-Lord, it should be The Doctor/Donna - not this mess we have now. Ugh.
I’m sorry but doctor who is solely for white men. And I mean white men who are part of the Patriarchy TM. You must immediately stop liking it. Our patriarchy TM mainframe will be checking up on you through our control of all the world’s spy satellites. You have been warned…..
@@malcolmdrake6137 read the room dude and yes they do now unfortunately, discusing the best of a bad situation is better than just hating on shit all the time.
@@malcolmdrake6137 Actually they do, why is the premise of that so hard to understand? They're near immortal aliens who shape shift when dying and yet changing gender is the thing that's unbelievable. The idea of a female Doctor was thrown around during Tom Bakers Era, it's nothing new.
@@malcolmdrake6137 Regeneration itself wasn't canon at the beginning, and was only added to the series to solve a behind-the-scenes issue. The Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker) made an off-hand joke in 1981 regarding the Fifth Doctor (who hadn't been cast yet). he was asked "What sort of man do you think you're replacement will be?" and said "Well, you're assuming it's going to be a man." In 1987, The creator of the show, Sydney Newman, wanted to cast a woman as the Seventh Doctor in a bid to reinvent the show, which was on the verge of cancellation. But the first canon references to gender-switching were all in the new series. Before then, it was theorized, but the show didn't make it known one way or the other. Plus Doctor Who has always been "woke", it just had better writing tho and wasn't in your face about it.
'And when he had cast the thirteenth physician, I saw under the Gallifreyan Citadel the souls of them that were slain for the word of Woke, and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, _"EFF OFF JODEH, STUFF YOU CHIN-BALLS!"_ '
BBC DOESN'T CARE ABOUT IT. AND CHRIS CHIBALL IS MIDDLE FINGER TO THE FANS FUCKING STUPID I SHOULD JUST EXTERMINATUS WHOLE OF TERRA MAY THE EMPEROR FORGIVE US
It's so obviously an affectation in a desperate attempt to pass herself off as having been accepted in the role. I bet even her co-stars feel a bit embarrassed about it, and for her.
To be honest I genuinely think I might have a problem with her voice in general (but like a serious one) the second I hear it I either click off the video, put my hands over my ears or pause the video and skip through when she is talking. Get help
The Doctor was just like any other time lord, who just decided to run away. But Chibnall made the Doctor this person who was special from the start. It's like saying "Hey kids, you have to be really extraordinary to matter."
As a young woman, the show ended for me when Clara left. I liked the Doctor as a man. He was a sort of father figure, now it just feels like long, drawn out whining and preaching. Believe it or not, a character doesn't have to be the same race and sex as me to be relatable. I just want it to be a good character with some amount of continuity. It felt "comfortable" before. Reliable. Now it's all gone out the window for the sake of an agenda. I liked it better when entertainment was entertaining.
The idea of the doctor being a woman has been around for ages, it's got nothing to do with being woke. and Jodie is an excellent doctor, she's just ruined but awful writing
I feel the same as you mostly, except I was in & out of Doctor Who during & after series 8 because after that (imo) Clara started becoming unbearable & I was just losing interest in watching modern era Doctor Who. But I definitely stopped watching after Husband's of River Song save for reading about some of it on their wiki page on the internet or a clip or two on RUclips. Another thing that bothers me is that they keep bringing back the Master, why not be more original and bring back the Rani, the Monk, or Drax? I mean really.
Clara's my favourite companion. In addition to being very attractive to look at, she had a fascinating psyche and a unique story arc. I think she was Steven Moffat's magnum opus as far as his character writing is concerned and her relationship with the Doctor might have been the most mature in the entire series. Most companions worship the ground the Doctor walks on and, unless they get mind wiped like Donna, that often remains consistent throughout their entire relationship with him. One exception was River Song, who loved him but would call him out when she thought he was wrong as shown in A Good Man Goes to War, but the problem with River was that she was a Mary Sue. Clara had flaws and made mistakes but she shared River's willingness to call the Doctor out when she thought he was wrong. She never did it in a "woman right, man wrong" way, she did it because she recognised that the Doctor wasn't the flawless god that most of his other companions thought he was. Also the Doctor would call out Clara's mistakes and flaws just as often as she called out his and seemed to know her better than she knew herself since he predicted that she would betray him in Dark Water. That's an equal relationship between a man and a woman done right because true equality means taking the good and the bad. After Clara left, I saw no reason to watch Season 10 because I knew there was little to no chance of the next companion being as good as her. The problem is that Clara was TOO real. I cared about her so much that I became obsessed with Jenna Coleman and I know that's both creepy and unhealthy.
Who would have thought that it would be a female doctor without a soul... That's what I call a plottwist... But isn't it sexist and discriminatory to not use a ginger in a role that specifically cries out ginger-stereotypes? :D
Chibnal has forever cemented himself in history as a hack writer who completely destroyed a shows canon for no reason, I deeply hate the BBC and chibnal.
Even if they regenerate Jodie's "Doctor" and go back to better writing again, I will never watch the show again UNLESS they retcon all this shit and say it didn't happen. Just going back to good writing isn't enough - they need to fix what they broke. It could be as simple as the Master was trying to drive the Doctor insane (the "timeless child" being a "there are four lights" type moment), or just editing the ending of Twice Upon a Time and having Capaldi regenerate into someone else.
@@StormsparkPegasus evil aliens imprisoned the Doctor in a simulation for years where they subjected him to a series of increasingly humiliating and character destroying scenarios in order to demoralise him and break his spirit. There's a Farscape episode that is exactly like this and I imagine it the same way.
A Whovian friend and I are under the headcanon that Capaldi's face is The Doctor's last, and Whittaker's face is a rogue Time Lord hellbent on causing as much chaos and destruction in The Doctor's name.
@@Skorpeonismyrealname Nice one! Mind if I add that last bit to my headcanon that the Doctor died with Capaldi? Also, it's pretty sad when a massive portion of the fanbase is relying on headcanons to maintain their sanity because the show is so crappy.
@@madeleine5561 Same here - The Doctor sadly died during a failed regeneration at the end of *Twice Upon A Christmas* - evidently due to Missy or The Rani tryin to steal his regeneration energy as The Tardis tossed her out. ... ... ... .. But yeah - it does suck that our ideas of Killing The Doctor, and The Show - are better than the mess BBC has turned it into. Sucks, but at least we got 12 Doctors, a great War Doctor, and decades of excellent episodes to watch - not to mention the hundreds and hundreds of novels and Big Finish Audio productions. That's what I do now instead of watching DW - I put on a Big Finish episode and lay back on the bed in the dark - some are great like these War Doctor ones, but sadly yeah... *RIP Doctor Who: 1963-2017.*
Alex Kurtsman: " I showed Jean-luc Picard to be a doddery old man that has no resemblance to how he was before" Ruin Johnson: " I ripped up the reputation of Luke Skywalker to shreds, and destroyed the future of star wars" Chris Chibnall: "hold my beer"
I actually thought the Rian Johnson thing was pretty funny - and pretty realistic - what would you do if you were Luke, trained Han's kid and lost - everything? Mark My Word - in 10 years from now, Rian's part of that SW trilogy will be regarded as the Best and Most Original. Seriously. Just look at how much more people like it now than when it first came out - most like it wayyyyyy better than that final episode.
I grew up with Doctor Who; Tom Baker and Peter Davison were 'my' Doctors, and then, when David Tennant, Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi did their tenures, I fell in love with the show all over again. I have not watched a single episode with Jodie Whittaker, have no intention of ever doing so (the clips I've seen of her on RUclips are more than enough to convince me I never WANT to,) and, as far as I'm concerned, her tenure never happened; the show ended when Peter Capaldi bowed out. And yeah, I'm saying that as a woman. The level of arrogance displayed with Chibnall's reign is unbelievable - "Let's see, this show has a layers upon layers of canon, and a formula that's been popular for fifty years... but I'm smarter, so I'll make it waay better by changing it all beyond recognition!" Yes, we DO need more diversity, more strong, smart female characters. But MAKE BRAND NEW ONES, and give them adventures OF THEIR OWN - don't gender-swap much-loved, existing male ones and rewrite their entire history to fit a political agenda! Doctor Who has had female time lords in the past - remember Romana? They could've created a spin-off show around her if what they wanted was a 'female Doctor Who.' Or even River Song... heck, The Sarah Jane Adventures was a childrens tv spin-off, and that was brilliant.
They could have brought back "The Doctor's Daughter" from the David Tennant era and say, discover that she did inherited of the capacity to regenerate a few times and BOOM a solo Female Time Lord story with her own backstory in parallel of Doctor Who's and maybe the possibility of a few cross-over now and then, but.... NOOOO! Let's gender-swap and destroy 50+ year's of story telling insted!
Always felt that when they gender swap existing characters they are saying they couldn't make a strong female character from scratch. They need to have a man get the character loved then swap it to a woman.
Cant believe jodies interview. Davids reaction to her saying that he must have been cringing. As he had so much passion for the character. Theres a clip of him on top gear where he says " didnt everyone want to he the Doctor when they grew up" he actually had a love for the show. Now we have people writing and acting in the show who havent even seen it. Such a shame. And then us fans are made out to be the villains wanting to ruin everything.
Hello from Star Wars, you have all the sympathy in the world from us. I LOVED Doctor Who. Then Chibbi and Whitaker happened. They're not what DW needs. No love for the show, no love for established(yes, yes, I know, established is quite loose in DW) lore, characters and so on. They should be doing some different projects.
@@mikewasaski4038 dr.who didn't regenerate int oa woman if you stopped watching the show one spidose prior and told yourself "this was the last episode" i did that and now i hate humanity,and any show i bond with i first make sure that it has to bealready finished and check reviews for last season first,if none said that it got the show ruined,that's when im starting to watch it,i avoid brand new shows because there's 90% chance it will be destroyed
David Tennant: Is there any part of you that imagined The Doctor might be a woman Jodie Whittaker: Well, no, sputters You-- 'Cause I don't really know... I mean, to me it's like, "It's a guy." DT: But I mean, did you feel a pressure get a-- JW: Mmm. Homework. DT: ...Do your research. JW: So, I've only seen a few eps, [sic] previous, because I had one brother with it. So then I started to watch a bit during my audition process, and I quickly decided that was NOT the way for me. DT: That wasn't helpful? JW: Not at all. TL;DR David Tennant: "I grew up on Doctor Who. Five was my favourite, and I even got the pleasure to marry his daughter when I was playing the Tenth Doctor. For a Red Nose Day special, I got to team up with Peter Davison for a charity episode, where Ten and I are one in the same, geeking out over our favourite incarnation." Jodie Whittaker: "I saw a few eps while my brother was watching it. Didn't like it fam."
She's just so.... full of herself. Matt Smith had never seen an episode before he got the role and he was always open and honest about that, but he showed a great deal of respect whenever talking about it. He clearly cared about how he could contribute to the show's legacy. Whitaker just seems to treat it like a joke and is more concerned about what the show can do for _her._
R.I.P. Doctor Who. This was once a show that was the high point in the day of a little Black/Native American kid who attended an extremely racist school in Charlestown Mass. I would come home and look forward to watching Doctor Who, starring Tom Baker on PBS after Wild, Wild, World of Animals. I am truly grateful for that experience. What great storytelling, what amazing characters!
White men like me who grew up unracist in a world where Jordie was only a great engineer with a cool visor... are now automatically counting black people for woke points everytime a picture of a repurposed show comes out to "tease" us old fans. What a wonderful world, right? I can't wait to discover how lovely Charlestown Mass was back in your days, that's where we are going with all these boomer morons in charge......
@Urayis wish l Learn to read, I said "boomer morons IN CHARGE". Chibnall is as boomer as they come. Yes, the writers are incompetent, psycho, marxists, racists, etc, but who hired them and enabled them instead of letting them rot in the local Mc Donalds serving food under Prozac in between two suicide attempts ?
Antiques Roadshow beat a Who finale. let that sink in. A show about people hauling out their old junk to get fake-appraised beats a sci fi show about time travel. Ok.
Capaldi’s episodes weren’t that strong, but his acting and characterization saved it enough for me to keep watching. 4, 10, and 12 are my favorite doctors, but 12’s episodes are comparatively the weakest of the 3 overall imo
Doctor Who ended when Peter Capaldi regenerated. Maybe someday, in 15-20 years, when the show is started up again (when the fans who grew up with Matt and David become adults and get into TV production), we can see who he regenerates into.
@@Stormspark - I agree with everything you said. And truly the only way to continue the show is to pick up with Capaldi and just write off everything after as a loss, bad dream, whatever.
@@asbestosfish_ Maybe...but supposedly he has said he is going to "respect" the timeless children. If he does, and does not retcon it, then I'm not watching his stuff either. I don't care if David Tennant comes back as the Doctor, I will absolutely NOT watch the show unless the timeless children is retconned.
@@karleighelizabethlust4994 Unpopular Opinion: I liked the _Dinosaur_ episode; it was goofy fun and the unnecessary and forced sexist commentary was easy to ignore. In fact, it's really the only one penned by Chib that I actually enjoyed which makes me wonder if he didn't pay someone to ghost write it for him.
Guys I got a way to fix the story. To be fair, I haven't seen the end of this episode, but hear me out. Picture this: the next episode is just a normal episode, but at the end we see the Master stumbling toward a communicator. He begins panicking and trying to reach out to the Doctor. But the Doctor who picks up isn't Jodie Whittaker, but a new actor. Master: Doctor. Doctor come in! Doctor: Master. Master: We've got a problem. Doctor: What? Master: I've reminded the Timeless Child of who she is, but... Doctor: But? Master: She still thinks she's you. ...And cut to credits. This would also still work with the redemption of Missy, with this new Master only pretending to be evil. I dunno. If anyone has any other ideas or a better way to execute this one, please tell me.
Shower runs in bathroom, mirror is steamed up, figure steps out and ckears mirror...its Peter! Or just label The Master as a liar and this whole story part of his lying shenanigans!
My idea works. It's to start the next episode during the events of Twice Upon a Christmas (the final Capaldi ep) - we pick up after The Tardis has thrown some woman (Jodi) out the doors - at that point Helena Botham Carter shows up as The Doctor's Wife version of The Tardis and says she kicked Missy/The Master out just in time to Peter Capaldi's Doctor who remains un-regenerated having fallen behind the console. All episodes after *Twice Upon A Christmas* are revealed to be a bad dream had by Missy/The Master who was in a coma after he/she slammed into the planet. PERFECT FIX. Now just bring back Capaldi , the character of Bill, and Moffat to run it for one transitional season, then let Black Mirror's Charlie Brooker take over as showrunner/head writer - Ben Whishaw as The Doctor, and Hugh Grant as The Master (oh really you have a problem with Hugh Grant as The Master - watch his performance in The Undoing and get back to me).
@@juniorayala185 well yes and no because they both directed episode in season 1-4 so we could use that as a basis but yet again looking back rtd and moffat had 2 completely different styles
My 17-year-old daughter has loved this show for awhile and forced me to watch some of it. And it was ok. We could sit around and watch it together and talk about it. We bonded. We had watched it on a delay, so we weren't up to date. In Israel last year, we were talking with a hipster tour guide with a man-bun and somehow Dr Who came up. My daughter gushed about how much she loved it, but he asked if she had seen the new episodes. She hadn't and he shook his head and said that the show was 'not very good anymore'. (He was trying to let her down gently.) She didn't believe him, of course, but eventually she saw the first female doctor and was horrified. She cannot watch the show at all anymore. Now we bond watching snarky take-down videos.
Yeah it seems all franchises are sharing the same fate. It’s sad to see so many tv shows and movies being destroyed after decades of history and sadly most will never recover.
@@jemstar3388 Everything became so derivative that people are getting sick of these neverending franchises anyway. Maybe we're better off like this. Maybe it's time to wipe the slate clean.
It's a modern hallmark. Decades from now, culture historians will recall how killing canon was seemingly the purpose of the end days of established 20th century franchises. Hopefully it spurs on a new generation of creators with their own ideas that they take out on their own creations, rather than repurposers with an overinflated sense of cultural significance.
Ironically, one of the few things RJ did to Star Wars that I didn’t have a problem with was making Rey a nobody, as it meant that the Force wasn’t some hereditary “dynasty” that no-one who wasn’t a born “superhero” could aspire to partake in (at least Rogue One had the blind dude who wasn’t a Jedi, but still could attune through clarity of mind & sheer willpower to the light side of the Force); Chibberz has done the exact opposite & said - after making-out like all females are so narcissistic that they can’t identify or empathise with a protagonist who isn’t a woman, and implying that males don’t deserve role models - that there’s no point in anyone - male or female - aspiring to being the hero as the Doctor was *born* a hero, rather than becoming one. This is typical cultural Marxism; everyone’s a uniform drone, and to aspire to be better is futile as you’re limited by your very nature to only be what society tells you were born as.
@@CtrlOptDel I think you give more credit than is due. I doubt he read that far into any of it; merely thinking that the supposedly unexpected, despite being a trope of "woke" writing, is enough to qualify as good writing. The rest is to avoid criticism.
Your calling me a INCEL BIGOT? How very dare you!!! EXCUSE ME!! I'm a white make toxic misogynist. I've triggered A LOT of snowflakes to get that title and I demand to be called as such!!
Wow, now I understand a line from AEon Flux, episode The Purge. Young man: "You do not look like a Breen." Aeon: "You do not exist." fitting since Brenga is very totalitarian.
“Both Hegel and Marx believed that the evolution of human societies was not open-ended, but would end when mankind had achieved a form of society that satisfied its deepest and most fundamental longings. Both thinkers thus posited an "end of history": for Hegel this was the liberal state, while for Marx it was a communist society. This did not mean that the natural cycle of birth, life, and death would end, that important events would no longer happen, or that newspapers reporting them would cease to be published. It meant, rather, that there would be no further progress in the development of underlying principles and institutions, because all of the really big questions had been settled.” ― Francis Fukuyama
@Scooby McDooby perhaps it was illogical. A hiccup in the regeneration process perhaps? An outside influence of some sort? You could make up a thousand ideas of WHY perhaps there is a new female doctor but the writers could not even bother to do that. Just easier to give a middle finger and yell "Deal with it!" Then add on to the mythology of the Doctor named Who.
Gary M I really hope that wasn't the reason why but at this point I just don't know anymore. Missy cemented the fact that regeneration wasn't limited to gender in the canon and IMO she was super well done and Michelle Gomez have an excellent performance. Missy was a great character who happened to be a women. The most interesting way to do the Doctor being a women is to have us go through this first gender flip regeneration with them, instead it's just glossed over and retconed to make The Doctor always a women from the start which is honestly just way less interesting as well as just obliterating the cannon that came before. It's so fucking dumb. The Doctor as a women could've been done really well, instead they just took a big woke dump on the entire series.
@Scooby McDooby Missy. Why the hell did everyone love her so much? She was a predominantly male time lord. So what happened? It's been stated time and time and time again that timelords can change genders through regeneration and that it was nothing to shy away from. 12th himself even said "timelords are above that silly nonsense" or something like that
My wife got me into Doctor Who in 2005. I love British SCI-fi like Blake 7, hitchhikers, and Red dwarf. She refuses to watch Jodie. The writing is just so bad...
Hope you've seen Matt Smith and David Tennant! Had the honor of watching all of the Tom Baker episodes growing up!! I will keep these in my heart and thoughts not this horrible crap!
Bryan Neideffer i saw some Tom Baker Peter Davidson Collin Baker and Sylvester McCoy growing up, but never really payed attention until my future wife, showed me the “new” Doctor who (2005) I love the 9th doctor, 10th grew on me quickly and became my favorite, 11th was decent. 12th... well I like the actor and his enthusiasm, I wish he had decent writing. I have gone back and watched a lot of the 4th Doctor.
@Matthew Matson If your wife who got you into Doctor Who refuses to watch Jodie's run then this series has failed to capture a female audience member...
@@williammeek BBC executives: "Did we... make mistakes? No, no, of course not! It's the audience who's wrong! How dare they think for themselves and not follow their programming!" BBC lickspittle: "It's worse than we thought, sir. Some of the criticisms are coming from WOMEN!" BBC executives: "REEEEE!"
It is still absolutely shocking to hear her imply to Tennant to his face it wasn't useful to refer to his work (among the rest). This man dwarfs her with talent, pretty much defined the role in recent times, is allegedly her friend and was graciously showcasing her. Not only she gives frivolous answers instead of using his insight and sensitivity to create literally endless depth, she bluntly tells him she saw some episodes and decides it wasn't for her. Researching an iconic role wasn't for her and she presumably proudly said that in front of an iconic actor to play the role. Forget actress, she lacks basic courtesy as a person!
Female "Missy Master" was great. It is not about the sex of the characters, it's the story and how the actor pulls it off. Their goal was obviously to kill the show.
I think we can all agree Rowan Atkinson is the one and only true Doctor. Edit: With the recent episode, it wouldn't suprise me if it was actually made canon.
I'd rather have Moffat's Doctor Who Red Nose Day Special made canon compared to this bullshit. Joanna Lumley was a better female Doctor in 2 minutes of screen time compared to Jodie Whittaker's 2 years in the role.
SGTshelby ...and Joanna Lumley is the first female Doctor and played the part with more charm, humour and charisma than Jodie Whittaker could manage in a lifetime!
To quote someone from Naughty Dog, exactly who I can't remember for the life of me: "It's like watching your beloved daughter do porn." That was the feeling I had when Timeless Children came out. The moment when it all crashed and burned. Ah well.
Let's call it what it is, this is a "reboot" of the entire show, within the existing history (rewriting and/or erasing it). The problem is that it did not need a reboot. This is what happens when "woke" politics is more important than entertainment. The fact that the BBC is backing this is further proof that this is a reboot. It's done.... they don't care. They are out to cater to their specific audience. Damn you if you don't agree... that's why there has been this campaign by different media articles defending the direction of the show. In my opinion the show ended when the 12th Doctor regenerated. I'm done w/ Doctor Who. I will not watch any new shows or episodes.
Jamie Arthur You’re so right. As for me, I just pretend that the Doctor died heroically at the end of The Doctor Falls. Appropriate final episode name. Fitting end to the Master’s/Missy’s story. It was also before the disgraceful and woke Twice Upon a Time.
They're doing the exact same thing now with Halo. The new Halo TV series just butchers the Halo lore for the sake of Woke politics, 99.99% of Halo fans hate it (and the remaining 0.01% are just OK with it), yet there are a myriad of articles praising it like it's the best thing since sliced bread. My understanding is they did the same to Star Wars and Star Trek, too. The fact this pattern keeps playing out in the exact same way proves it's not happening organically. This is deliberate and planned.
And the sad thing is... It didn't have to be. But the producers couldn't course correct, because they think they are right. It's Warhammer 40K's Ecclesiarchy, except they worship the Woke, and those that don't are heretics... They forgot however, they don't have the muscle to compel thought, so everything they built and subverted in our pop franchises is all tumbling down.
Same here, but Moffat killed it for me. I only return to it now to see how much further it's rotted. Like a ghoulish child returning to a road killed badger.
Star trek: Dead Star wars: Dead Dr. Who: Dead DC: Dead Marvel: Slow death Terminator: Dismantled melted down and sold for scrap. James Bond: R.I.P. ? DUNE: ???
It was destroyed a few years ago. I accepted that the Doctor is dead and the series is over. I still have 50 years worth of the franchise before it all got ruined.
I find myself thinking of my favorite Jon Pertwee serial "The Green Death". It was one of the most overtly message-driven episodes of the classic era. It had an evil, greedy corporation polluting a small town and exploiting its population. It had idealistic rabble-rousing 1970s pro-environmental hippies. But you know what? It also had giant killer maggots spawned by toxic waste, action scenes with UNIT and the Doctor tossing people with Venusian aikido. And it was fun. And awesome. And also ended with one of the most genuinely heartfelt moments of the entire series (Jo Grant and the Doctor parting ways) that was completely well-earned after years of character development. Ah, need to rewatch the classics and remember the good old days.
I know how to solve this problem... This may need some patience for a certain type of person to understand but this WILL work: *_STOP GIVING ESTABLISHED FRANCHISES TO HACKS!!_*
@@gregweisal5542 That's obviously implied with the 'not giving to hacks' part in the OP. If you don't give to hacks in the first place, then you wouldn't get the stuff you/we dislike.
@Cyrus Wolfe So, by that logic, hacks are fine just so long as they aren't 'Woketard hacks' right? Just stop giving it to hacks works perfectly fine, there's nothing to improve upon. Again, the OP was fine and your 'TFTFY' actually fixes feck all. Lol.
@@gadgez_ That is LITERALLY what the show demonstrated in this episode. The Doctor started out as a child. Unless each iteration is a life-form where each child can live out a life until it becomes of old age, then there was no need to EVER show the doctor starting out AS a child. Prior to Chibnall's forced insertion of "canon," the Doctor had never been established with having a childlike form (point proven with each of the past 11 Doctors NEVER regenerating into a child).
@@therevelistmovement4683 I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. The Doctor was never established as having a childlike form? In the Sound of Drums we see a child form of the Master, who we know shared a youth with the Doctor, and in Listen it's pretty heavily implied (and basically confirmed in Hell Bent) that the kid in the barn on Gallifrey is the Doctor. The episode "LITERALLY demonstrated" they regenerate into a child every time? Did we even watch the same episode? One of the questions she asks the Ruth Doctor is "did they force me back to childhood?" because of her memories growing up as the First Doctor. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the shitty episode, I'm just increasingly confused by your interpretation.
I've never seen one episode of Doctor Who. I am simply going on the elements of the episode detailed in this video. The doctor was, in this episode, firstly, a child. Each time that this child regenerated, it was another child. Did you actually watch THIS episode? More specifically, why did my post to this get 24 likes. Were THOSE 24 people dreaming this up, or wrong, like I imagine you assume.
@@therevelistmovement4683 At no point did you mention not having watched the show before, and "never been established" implied to me that you had some sort of familiarity with it. When you said "in this episode," I thought you were referring to The Timeless Children rather than the youtube video. Similarly, when I say "the shitty writing," it is in reference to The Timeless Children. To get back to addressing your point, the regenerations that you saw were happening to a child, which has also been seen to happen previously. The regenerations in the past have always been, while mostly random, influenced to some degree of subconscious or conscious control (results vary by character). A child would not regenerate into an adult or vice versa due to something like their maturity levels. However, with Chibnall's new version of events, who knows? Maybe we'll get a 16 year old next time.
@@elijahvictorious6569 All TV shows have lower ratings so it doesn't really matter and Doctor Who is not dying. Just people like you still living in the dark ages need to grow up and treat people equally. No the matter gender and skin colour. You clearly not keeping in the touch with the changes that have happened in the last 15 to 20 years.
Fans' OCD tendencies already flared up when The War Doctor was introduced, this is a nuclear explosion compared to that. Also, John Hurt was great. No prob with that. Just messed with the numbering. That's all.
Agreed, nobody disliked John Hurt as an actor he was usually brilliant in the majority of roles he always did. but yeah plenty of us had issues with the War Doctor. Moffat? if Eccleston didn't want to come back as the 9th Doctor, make the War Doctor Paul McGann's 8th Doctor instead duh. Showing fans how through a massive galactic war his 'Bryonesque Doctor' became a Time Warrior throughout the conflict and towards its end, did the unthinkable with The Moment? (Sigh) But yeah this was a friggin Nuke onto the franchise with a Cobalt warhead to boot!
The role was originally was intended for eccleston but he wasn’t interested, and I’d assume McGann was either busy or also not interested. John Hurt was an excellent choice considering
@@matthewduncan8523 I think that the War Doctor was a good move. To me, he was an emotional buffer for The Ninth Doctor who was so damaged by his actions in The Time War. In "Dalek" he first said he watched it happen, then he made it happen, indicating that he has some distance from his actions in The Time War. Of all of the Doctors (before finding out about The War Doctor), I've thought that The Seventh Doctor was the one who could have taken the actions the War Doctor did.
If you're old enough to remember it - OCD fans were outraged when it was revealed the Doctor was actually part of a secret race of aliens called The Time Lords. There will always be some people who just don't get the ongoing evolution of the Doctor Who mythos. They have some kind of superficial, naive notion that it was all established in 1963 and that anything new done in 2020 doesn't count because it wasn't that way back in 1963. Thank god THEY'RE not writing the shows or it would have gone stale and boring in the late 60's and been canceled.
@@AnaiBendai Here here. I won't say I'm a fan of Chibnall's writing or the underdeveloped characters, but you can't say the show is boring. At least, not this season. I'm sure this kind of material could've been handled better in another writer's hands. People upset about the change to the Doctor's history are overreacting.
“It had a major female audience that has now left.” Up that’s me. I saw one episode of NuWho and didn’t watch another. However, I am watching all of these reviews and it tears me to the core to see what they’ve done with it. Long story incoming: I used to watch Doctor Who with my grandma who is now dead. It’s a great memory I have with her since we could nerd out and bond. I wonder what she would think of the changes....she’d probably hate them too. Oh well, Granny. When I see you again, this is one of the things I won’t update you on. 😂
Don't panic. It's gonna turn out The Master is actually the timeless child and is evil because he was tortured. Tricking The Doctor into thinking she is the timeless child is all part of his diabolical plan.
Hope Chibnall is proud of himself. My kids love the intelligent, well written Pertwee/Baker episodes, and get them out the library all the time. No matter what the Beeb does, they can't delete history
I've watched Dr Who since I was a kid and I'm 49 years old now but some of my best childhood memories are of watching the 3rd Doctor's TV series up at my grandmother's at tea time. I've been watching Dr Who with my mother, my two daughters, my brother and his two children for around ten plus years. It used be be a fortnightly Family event for us all to meet up, have tea together and watch Dr Who. A family tradition that had started with myself and my mother not long after the first episodes aired of the new 9th Dr Who series that had first been shown in Melbourne Australiaon on the ABC TV station. We were gathered together to watch the start of this years series here in Australia as we always do absolutely hoping that the 2nd season of this agenda driven dribble would course correct. But unfortunately within the first five minutes of the first episode my mother turned to me and said this is not Dr Who any more. We took a vote to see if any of us wanted to continue watching the series and it was a unanimous decision from three generations of our family to say no, we are not going to watch this once beloved tv show any more. We are all eagerly awaiting the release of season three of The Orville so as a family we can have a TV series that we can collectively enjoy as a family. This is a tv series that I looked forwards to every year and I feel a great sadness in my heart at it's destruction by folks who clearly do not understand or care about Dr Who eccept as a delivery system for their agenda driven talking points. As far as my family is concerned, when Peter Capaldi's Dr Who regenerated and the Tardis turned on it's side with the interior blowing up and Jodie's Dr fell out of the Tardis, she actually went splat on the ground and died along with the the hopes and dreams of Dr Who fans all around the world. Rest in peace Dr Who.
I admire your family's true appreciation of a democratic process, rather than an autocratic process, since Melbourne is pretty-much the "San Francisco" of Australia, politically speaking. I imagine the "wild and woolly days" of the Espy are now over.
@@HungryForTastyFoodAndComicArt Yes sadly. Melbourne Australia used to be a fantastic place to live but it's definitely become the nanny state of Australia. I live out in the country region of Melbournes outer suburbs so it's not quite so full on but they seem to be creating a rule for everything we do in life. It's getting just a little bit repressive. That's life I guess in a so called democracy. Could be worse I guess like living in China so there's always that reality check lol.
@@CornballLyric Well, at least we still have some great stuff like Phryne Fisher 😊. Not even the Nanny State has been able to keep Phryne down! If you haven't seen her recent film, I heartily recommend it; I've even been working on a clip about it. And I'm glad you don't live in Hipster-Brunswick, lol.
@@HungryForTastyFoodAndComicArt Heck no to Brunswick lol. The entire family loves Phryne Fisher and we are definitely going to see it next week on tight arse Tuesday at the local cinema. It's about the only way we can afford to see movies these days as it's getting murderously expensive to take the family out. Thank you very much for the heads up and recommendation for Phryne's film.
It's such a shame that they wrecked such a good show. My daughter (11) and I started watching the Tennant and Smith episodes last year, and loved it. I really enjoyed a show that was cerebral, fun and exciting to watch. I am really into sci-fi generally, I love the myths, narratives and possibilities in these stories. We were excited about the Jodie Whittaker doctor but felt it was appallingly acted and terribly written - neither of us enjoyed the feeling we were being preached at, and my daughter said it felt like a badly written kids' show on Nickelodeon (and god knows there is more than enough of that crap about). We couldn't stick it out for long with Jodie and Chibnall. Happily, my daughter has asked me if we can go back and watch the william hartnell epsiodes and go on from there, so have ordered a dvd and plan to engage with that whilst stuck indoors!
Well, I don't need this show! All I need is this paddle game, and that's it! Wait, I need this chair. This chair, and this paddle game, and that's all I need; I need this, this chair, this paddle game and this boxed set of original Dr Who, and that's all I need!
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” C.S. Lewis
the highest cuase can justify any atrocity to achieve it, be wary of the self rightous fanatic as they will cast anyone and anything even themselves into a fire for their goels. there is no limit to fanaticisim, there is no limit to insanity... and to let it rule is doom in the long term, on th individual level, and the cultural level as well.
Doctor Who fans before Chibnall took over: "The worst ham-fisted political message will always be 'The Happiness Patrol'." Chibnall and his writing staff: "Hold my beer."
@@markrussell910 God no, look at that oversized zealot that is Chris chibnall in the eye and and say that this episode wasn't stunning or brave... see, you can't.
There's an idea that goes around that TV writing has never been of a higher standard and that was true until it became infected with woke. What the woke infection did was make woke so important that nothing else mattered. I repeat and I repeat again that I have no problem with a female Doctor and given there's whole universe of potential companions - assistants sound like it's a job and FAM can go **** itself - one should expect diversity. Like Gary, if I may call him that, I was prepared to sit out the abomination that was Chibnall's and Whitaker's Doctor - but now Dr Who is dead to me. In my mind Peter Capaldi is still imprisoned forever by that ice and that's how it ended for the Doctor. He (or whatever pronoun people think is appropriate) was finally paying the cost of being a renegade (that might also retcon certain recent canon which deserved retconning). This wokeness is just damaging so many of the things I loved. I sit firmly on the left of politics and this destroying of canon simply to be woke is not done in my name and causes me actual anger and distress. Gary mentioned that he realises how important these series are now and not only because of mental health reasons. Star Trek is so important because it inspired so many of the world's scientists to take up science. There is no other TV programme (except maybe an Attenborough documentary) that can boast that importance. As for its woke credentials, ask no other than Martin Luther King! And as for the appalling Whitaker, who played Dr Who like she was playing a stupider version of Jody Whitaker who had somehow infused knowledge serum by accident, she's just terrible. BTW there are hints that Whitaker's Doctor, like Capaldi's Doctor, is on the autistic spectrum but compare that to Davison's & Tennant's who no-one could ever accuse of lacking empathetic actions then WTF. I have been angered by some of the things she has said but that level of dismissiveness towards the whole history of the programme truly enraged me. Nobody should give Kelly Marie Tran a bad time for Rose Tico. It was not her fault and I can even justify some of her character's odd behaviour which again has nothing to do with KMT. Jodie Whitaker's performance and attitude have everything to do with Jody Whitaker. Is she or indeed any of the BBC aware that during Tennant's (and I'm surprised he didn't tell her during Broadchurch) tenure female viewers made up over 50% of the audience and yet poor Jodie couldn't watch because of the male gaze. Well now we have a woke gaze and it's a ****ing disaster. I'm finished with it.
Hello from someone on the moderate right of politics. I really appreciate your comments. There are so many leftist political stances that I can relate to, but I am also quite dismayed by the effects of the "woke infection." Let's not forget that there's a lot of us lost in the political middle ground. There's so much shouting, we just never get heard. Maybe the only thing we can do about it is stop giving them an audience.
Much of the appeal of the earlier doctors in the non-classic period was their relationship with their female companions - Rose Tyler, Clara, and so on, where the feelings between the two was more than friendship. This has been eroded, starting with Amy Pond, since she had her boyfriend tagging along, then of course Bill Potts was a lesbian, so that was completely gone. That has been lost now.
@@gtv6chuck One of the things that bothered me with Amy Pond was that she was quite sexually aggressive towards the Doctor - something I think that was partially explained later but wouldn't even have been allowed on TV the other way around - & flirted with him so much that you could understand why Rory had suspicions. Yes she always loved Rory but I suppose it provided an interesting dynamic. I preferred my Doctors to be asexual & the first hint of sexuality was by McGann's Doctor in the one-off 90s special. Up until then it was more companionship like with Donna and Tennant's Doctor.
I wouldn't call myself a huge doctor who fan but I was left really confused by all this decision making by Chibnall. I feel like I could have written a better story and that's not even my job. The whole thing with Yaz I felt so bewildered. It really came out of left of field. She's the best? Why? She didn't do anything. Rose absorbed the time vortex. Martha walked the goddamn earth! Doctor Donna. Amy was the doctors bezzie. Clara who saved the doctor. I think yaz is incomparable. She hasn't used any of her skills at all as a police officer! Martha's medical training was referenced. Donna's whole arc was about her being a temp and using those skills and looking for something more permanent and to have that so close with her being doctor Donna and the whole thing of it being temporary was a massive kick in the teeth for her. I hated that the doctor let the guy sacrifice himself... that's never how the doctor would have behaved. We found the end of the doctor on trenzalore was it? I can't remember but surely if Clara went into his time stream surely she would've been like wow you had a load of lives. What was the point in the time lords sending extra lives through that crack if the doctor has infinite regenerations anyway? Riversong gave up her regeneration to save the doctor - that's all for nothing too. I think the timeless child should have been the master. That's why he's so messed up. he's lived so many lives. Finally, he's genetically superior to his rival and without him his rival wouldn't even be able to exist. If I were the new show runner I'd totally retcon this. The matrix data was corrupted the master misunderstood it was him. The Ruth doctor was actually an earlier (good) incarnation and was masquerading as the doctor with some hartnell DNA on some mission from that sect that the timeless child was a part of. IDK I'D TRY TO PUT IT RIGHT THOUGH!
Heck, you could even go back to Jodie's very start and say that when she fell out of the TARDIS after regenerating, she fell unprotected through the time vortex and was fractured into a number of timeless children throughout many parallel strings of our universe, so while she might be the timeless child, she isn't the doctor from this universe and now must go around collecting and merging with all the timeless doctors in order to fully regenerate. She could find this out simply by asking the TARDIS, too, since the TARDIS scanned the entirety of Gallifrey in order to save it, the TARDIS will know every minutia of fact about it and can prove that what she thinks she knows is false. If she hasn't fully regenerated yet that could also explain her constant hyperactivity, because she is constantly high on regeneration energy. It's not a good story arc, but it's at least not a Chinballs story arc.
I think of two friends from college in the 1980s who tried to introduce me to the show. One of them had a scarf about 10 feet long like the Doctor. Somewhere in the Midwest of the United States I know two almost-60-year-olds whose hearts are broken.
I mean, I lost my father 4 years ago and binge watching Doctor Who was one of the things that helped me. Also helped me finally leave my flat and socialize again. It gave me hope and strength to move on. The dude is right about that. Such a big disappointment for me personally.
Apacalypsyagon M., it’s not‘like’ that-it is that, and it’s a travesty for us, who’ve found inspiration and something to believe in in these stories, to have them desecrated like this.
Apacalypsyagon M. You need to risk your money and leisure time by supporting original stories. All those who are risk averse make Studios risk averse. There was no need for _Episode VII,_ but mainstream audiences threw their money at it, with some watching it multiple times. There was no need to recast the crew of the Starship _Enterprise,_ but mainstream audiences threw their money at it. There was no need for _Doctor Who_ to return after it was cancelled in the McCoy era. It had been shit for a while.
@@burntumbrage6868 history will record these times and one day all talentless feminist trolls will be ridiculed and rejected. When they seek work and express their desire to see more representation and diversity on screen, and wish to overturn the male-dominated entertainment industry, they will have the statistics of the failures of their attempts to be creative in this era rammed down their throats before they are kicked to the kerb with the words, "Never again you warped little misadrist! If you're as capable as men, prove it by creating your own shows and films. What you're not going to do is appropriate a male-created success so you can smash it into the ground like a petulent little shit!"
Keldor D'Antrell, I appreciate the sentiment you express here, but if such a scenario should arise years from now, at the rate they are destroying things now, I question whether there could be anything long-loved left to be turned away from in the manner you describe 🥺
Scyclo 4189 not Capaldi. I didn't like Capaldis Doctor. I did like Matt Smith but I hated Clara. Maybe Amy and Rory, it could happen during the events of Angels take Manhattan, before the Angels get Amy and Rory
I think the Dallas scenario should start at Capaldi’s regeneration. I mean there were a few good Capaldi episodes, but it was ashame that the wokeness kinda started in his second series. And kinda like Capaldi’s character, an angry Scot. It is possible to rewrite the Doctor’s timeline as proven by Chibnal. Remember the episode Amy’s Choice? Where Amy, Rory and the Doctor kept falling into the dream (or nightmare in their case). This was because the Tardis was heading and plummeting into a frozen sun. This could be a really good get out clause to eradicate Whittaker’s time as the Doctor, it was all a dream. We can have the new Doctor emerging from Capaldi’s regeneration realising Whittaker’s time was a bloody nightmare. He, and I mean a He, checks himself making sure he’s a man and then saying that god awful quote by Whittaker “I just had an upgrade”, then let see how quick the women and how many to complain that is sexist. I bet the same moaners did moan when Whittaker said it.
Why did the BBC let this happen? My childhood was Dr Who. Tom Baker was my first Dr. To make it meaningless as Chibnall has is criminal. Dr Who ended for me after Peter Capaldi's reign.
I had a pretty shit 'childhood' but one of the highlights (and one of the few times I went to a school) was when a certain god like Doctor (with a very long scarf) visited the school I had been placed in, with a dalek... He wrapped his scarf around me, and broke a wax bottle over my head and let me throw a rubber brick at him.
Making The Master the original Time Lord would actually have been an interesting twist, but making The Doctor central to the universe makes him "too" special.
Terrible decision. The Doctor was an outsider. That was his appeal, he fought for the small people. Now the Doctor is the Time Lords...he's the establishment. Urrgh.
A decent writer could cancel this out by saying the Master was lying in order to mess with the Doctor’s mind and crush her spirit. Jo Davies Doctor could turn out to be a future regeneration (who was also lying when she said she didn’t remember being #13) or maybe even be the master herself. Lots of options. First they need to drop Chibnall though. He’s a total hack who can’t write good stories so has to resort to cheap gimmicks instead.
It was a good story set up. They were soo close to making a great storyline. If only the master was the timeless child it would’ve been really good and exciting
@@fear_cheetah2079 still wouldn't like it. All you had to do was leave the past alone. You can build up upon an existing story or something, just don't change (retcon) stuff. Plus I wouldn't want the master to be the timeless child as it was already established that the master went insane because of the timelord initiation whereas the doctor ran as it's apart of his character. And we already had a storyline where the master was a tool of the council of galafray (definitely spelled that wrong), don't do it again. I hate everything about Jodie's run.
As a beloved Doctor Who fan since before I can remember in the seventies, I cannot bring myself to watch this anymore. It's not heart breaking; it's become so stupid i've lost interest. And you perfectly sum up why.
How does her using their memories cause the Matrix to explode when the collection of his memories are minute in comparison to the vastness of the sum of the Timelords memories over 10 million plus years, this is so contrived and nonsensical.
Chib has an interview in the 80s where he shows dislike to Doctor Who stories etc. he planned revenge!! to get back at those who like the Doctor Who format :)
I see only one solution: the writer of series 14 must not be Chibnall. They must declare series 11, 12, and 13 as non-canonical and cleverly write this in somehow. The episode you discussed is not acceptable. It must be damned. I can't describe how much I don't want to have to use the phrase 'back when Doctor Who was good', as I have to look back on fond memories of the Simpsons. If there's one thing I believe in, that's change. Let's change Doctor Who for the better in this new decade.
Gabriel Williams at least season 10 was palatable to a degree, but i agree i would love them to have capaldi wake up with the clara theme blaring at 300 decibels and chibnall eaten by one of the bins from season 1 so he can reside where he belongs
Original - 'classic' - Doctor Who said "Come with us on an adventure." RTD's reboot Who said "Sit there and watch us have an adventure." (X100 for Moffat) Chinballs Who says "Sit there and watch us tell each other about an adventure."
Most obvious and self-answering questions: Is this what the audience wants? ... or is it what the producers and writers believe the audience should want?
@Jon Seymour It's always interesting that for all their anti-establishment posturing, the opinions of sjw's almost always align with those of giant corporations.
Its EXACTLY what he wanted. He clearly had daddy issues (ALL of the last season was about demonizing men) and is the kind of prat that got bullied a lot at school for being an insufferable know it all. This was his way to get back at everyone he thinks in his sad little mind, that ever slighted him or made him take a look in the mirror at what a disgustingly unlikable, smarmy little prick he always was. And of course, its that kind of unflushable turd that somehow rises to the top till they can get into a position to exact revenge on those they feel wronged them in some way instead of manning up and getting on with their sad sorrowful little insignificant lives. Whats funny is that he wasn't winging about a particular episode as much as declaring that Pip and Jane's writing was bad (which it was, I'll give him that). And just look at HIS writing. Give me Pip and Jane's shit any day over the dross Chibbs the idiot farts out onto the page.
@@zybch Pip and Jane Baker wrote perhaps the worst ever Classic Who story - Time and the Rani. But apart from that they wrote or even just contributed to JUST THREE other stories! Chibnall has written at least a DOZEN awful Nu-Who AND Torchwood stories! He is the prat who brought us.... - Cyberwoman (Torchwood) - Countrycide (Torchwood) - Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (Torchwood) - 42 - The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood - The Power of Three - The Woman Who Fell to Earth - Spyfall - Arachnids in the UK - Praxeus and - Ascension of the Cybermen
@Fran Ohmsford what pisses me off more is that I really liked his story from Torchwood and doctor who before he started series 11. The fact that he can write good stories is just annoying as fuck
Doctor Who fans: "omg they are ruining my favorite universe!!!"
Star Wars fans: "First time?"
Bonus points if you are a fan of both universes.
@@TheGoodLuc Again!
It's more like this though...
Dr Who fans"Omg they're ruining my favourite universe!!!"
Star Wars Fans "First time?"
Dr Who fans "Yes!"
Star Trek fans "Welcome to the club were at 3 times..."
I remember when Final Fantasy had some people who cared about a good story.
Argon Starfall very funny 😂
This episode was basically "The Master takes The Doctor to Gallifrey to show her a PowerPoint presentation that ends with a slide saying 'You were Adopted'."
-Jay Exci
LOL UR WRITE
How could you say something so accurate
is somebody going to kick Jay or what
common Jay W
Something just occurred to me that's another hole in Doctor Who lore now.
It seemed, from the old Hartnell episodes, as well as that bit in The Name of the Doctor, that Hartnell's Doctor was only able to steal the TARDIS because he was just an un-suspcious old man who was, thus, able to sneak past those that would try and stop him.
Now, being the "Timeless Child", wouldn't The Doctor be THE MOST closely watched member of Gallifrey by those in the High Council? Like, wouldn't The Doctor be the LAST Time Lord capable of simply sneaking off, unnoticed, if they were also the single most important person in the history of the planet?
Pretty sure by the time Hartnell comes to stealing the TARDIS he'd already made a name for himself, remember Classic Who was taking the route of The Doctor being "The Other"
I figured the same thing. But these people don't have any good writing to actually keep it coherent.
I'm a girl, I've watched Doctor Who since I was a child and it was my favourite thing in the world. I'd always get so incredibly excited to sit down and watch it with the family each weekend. The Doctor was my role model. Now the show just makes me cry in despair at how utterly ruined it is.
😂 yeah this is fucked
Same here I’m female and have been watching doctor who for so long that I ended up adopting the doctors speech patterns and now I just can’t bring myself to watch anymore of the new episodes it’s that bad.
@@Mirdor What makes you think chibnall is straight?
as a girl, i agree with you. i also never really minded that the doctor was a male character - should i have minded? i don’t really know these days
@@jemimahorne7469 i never minded that the doctor was a male either and i dont think so much pressure should be put on the doctor's gender. i dont think anyone should care what gender or ethnicity the actor who is playing the doctor is. females can (and most certainly have) found the doctor (as a male) very empowering. and any minority can find the doctor empowering no matter who the actor is as long as they have that undeniably 'doctor' way of being and acting. the doctor is a character who is praised because of their moral choices and actions and anyone can have a morally 'right' conscience no matter their gender or ethnicity.
Peter's last words. Doctor I let you go.
Little did we know how true those words were.
emrys Last line of the show as far as I’m concerned
HiDesert004 makes sense and ending on 12 feels more satisfying
I feel like Steven Moffat wrote that line as much for himself as he did for Peter Capaldi. I got a similar feeling from Matt Smith's final monologue during his regeneration. It felt like Moffat infused his own farewell messages to each Doctor into the dialogue. He was a genuine Doctor Who fan and we know it's difficult for him to say goodbye to his characters.
"One more life won't kill anyone. Well... except me."
-Capaldi's Doctor when regenerating.
Terribly true on a meta level.
Don't make me cry
Remember when the BBC showed "An Adventure in Time and Space"? An entire movie just about William Hartnell, how much being the Doctor meant to him, and how much love was put into the show by the cast and crew?
Thanks Chibnall for taking a dump on that entire thing.
I loved that film....and the current drivvel is stabbing Mr Hartnell in the back...and shitting on his legacy. I so hope Chibi gets his ass kicked out forever.
A lot of crew members on the show are fans since childhood. Imagine being a cameraman having to film the destruction of your beloved show, like a snuff film.
An Adventure in Time and Space was easily Mark Gatiss' best work on Doctor Who. His actual episodes aren't particularly good - granted, when he's acting in them, he's great but as a screenwriter, he's nothing special - but that docudrama about William Hartnell is a masterpiece. And David Bradley was brilliant. He captured the gruff side of Hartnell but also delivered some very poignant moments which were devastating to watch. He somehow managed to make Hartnell's "I don't want to go" even more heartbreaking than when David Tennant delivered the exact same line.
I discovered doctor who in 2019, fell in love with it, watched all episodes all seasons in 1.5 month, and ended up hating the last 2 seasons. Absolute insult to such an amazing show
Sentinal Gaming - my exact same experience
Same except it's been years for me😞
same
That was me with Game of Thrones. Binge watched seasons 1-6 and then season 7 and 8 happened.
@@ddandymann i watched the whole series for the first time in 2019 after it ended, in just 2 weeks, now i know why people hate season 8
I relate to the Doctor despite being a teenage brown girl and want to become like him because the message of the show was that you are who you are based on your choices morals and personality, that you're special by choice not birth. This 1-hour long episode destroyed an intricate story crafted over decades and killed the feelings thousands of fans had for this intergalactic 'Madman with a time travelling box, a screwdriver and a will to help'. Diversity is definitely important but a decent character with value and a personality is more important what they're doing now is stuffing ''equality'' down our throats and expect us to adore idiots with no substance. A female doctor is actually very interesting, there could have been a funny story about the Doctor trying to figure stuff out as a woman and forgetting that she isn't a man anymore. Every regeneration brought a new Doctor who added something to the mythic story and this evergrowing character but 13 has destroyed everything her past selves have done rendering these beloved Doctors useless
ALSO Donna can kick the butts of all three of these cardboard cutouts of sidekicks in her wedding dress
i agree completely, i wanted to see a woman doctor since when matt smith touched his hair and said : i am a girl!, i wanted to see exactly that, but christ, all that woke thing gives a bad taste on the mouth, and the timeless child arc is just a bad dream for me, no one could let that terrible thing pass.
Hear hear, excellent comment 👍
Mark Cleary thank you
Donna Noble fucking rules! Best companion ever! She never took any shit from The Doctor and saved his life multiple times. If ever we were to get a REAL female Time-Lord, it should be The Doctor/Donna - not this mess we have now. Ugh.
I’m sorry but doctor who is solely for white men. And I mean white men who are part of the Patriarchy TM. You must immediately stop liking it. Our patriarchy TM mainframe will be checking up on you through our control of all the world’s spy satellites. You have been warned…..
The actress who played the Tardis would of been a great female Doctor.
I've very much defended the idea that a female doctor can work , it just needs to be well written.
Except Gallifreyans don't jump back and forth between genders...or are you one of those laughable "woke" viewers?
@@malcolmdrake6137 read the room dude and yes they do now unfortunately, discusing the best of a bad situation is better than just hating on shit all the time.
@@malcolmdrake6137 Actually they do, why is the premise of that so hard to understand? They're near immortal aliens who shape shift when dying and yet changing gender is the thing that's unbelievable. The idea of a female Doctor was thrown around during Tom Bakers Era, it's nothing new.
@@malcolmdrake6137 Regeneration itself wasn't canon at the beginning, and was only added to the series to solve a behind-the-scenes issue.
The Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker) made an off-hand joke in 1981 regarding the Fifth Doctor (who hadn't been cast yet). he was asked "What sort of man do you think you're replacement will be?" and said "Well, you're assuming it's going to be a man."
In 1987, The creator of the show, Sydney Newman, wanted to cast a woman as the Seventh Doctor in a bid to reinvent the show, which was on the verge of cancellation.
But the first canon references to gender-switching were all in the new series. Before then, it was theorized, but the show didn't make it known one way or the other.
Plus Doctor Who has always been "woke", it just had better writing tho and wasn't in your face about it.
‘And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Chibnall, and Hell followed with him.’
You forgot Jar-Jar, Ruin Johnson, and Kathleen Kennedy.
'And when he had cast the thirteenth physician, I saw under the Gallifreyan Citadel the souls of them that were slain for the word of Woke, and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, _"EFF OFF JODEH, STUFF YOU CHIN-BALLS!"_ '
"Elle" followed with him, making a better job of being evil incarnate than that redundant "Devil'' bloke...
"And where he treads, woke follows... but no new viewers"
BBC DOESN'T CARE ABOUT IT. AND CHRIS CHIBALL IS MIDDLE FINGER TO THE FANS FUCKING STUPID I SHOULD JUST EXTERMINATUS WHOLE OF TERRA MAY THE EMPEROR FORGIVE US
I can't bear Jodie uttering the word "Fam" like every minute. It just annoys the hell out of me.
@Kodach Zach haahaahaha exactly
It's so obviously an affectation in a desperate attempt to pass herself off as having been accepted in the role. I bet even her co-stars feel a bit embarrassed about it, and for her.
@Kodach Zach That and 'NUTHING' every-goddamned time she swings her arm, gurns, looks blankly at the sonic vibrator, and says 'nuthing!' SHEESH!
To be honest I genuinely think I might have a problem with her voice in general (but like a serious one) the second I hear it I either click off the video, put my hands over my ears or pause the video and skip through when she is talking.
Get help
@Kodach Zach It's not ebonics, it's Northern English slang.
The Doctor was just like any other time lord, who just decided to run away.
But Chibnall made the Doctor this person who was special from the start. It's like saying "Hey kids, you have to be really extraordinary to matter."
As a young woman, the show ended for me when Clara left. I liked the Doctor as a man. He was a sort of father figure, now it just feels like long, drawn out whining and preaching. Believe it or not, a character doesn't have to be the same race and sex as me to be relatable. I just want it to be a good character with some amount of continuity. It felt "comfortable" before. Reliable. Now it's all gone out the window for the sake of an agenda. I liked it better when entertainment was entertaining.
The idea of the doctor being a woman has been around for ages, it's got nothing to do with being woke. and Jodie is an excellent doctor, she's just ruined but awful writing
I completely agree. I'm a young woman too, and the change has only pushed me away.
I feel the same as you mostly, except I was in & out of Doctor Who during & after series 8 because after that (imo) Clara started becoming unbearable & I was just losing interest in watching modern era Doctor Who. But I definitely stopped watching after Husband's of River Song save for reading about some of it on their wiki page on the internet or a clip or two on RUclips.
Another thing that bothers me is that they keep bringing back the Master, why not be more original and bring back the Rani, the Monk, or Drax? I mean really.
I think that his side kicks were the ones that the audience was supposed to relate to, like in back to the future.
Clara's my favourite companion. In addition to being very attractive to look at, she had a fascinating psyche and a unique story arc. I think she was Steven Moffat's magnum opus as far as his character writing is concerned and her relationship with the Doctor might have been the most mature in the entire series. Most companions worship the ground the Doctor walks on and, unless they get mind wiped like Donna, that often remains consistent throughout their entire relationship with him. One exception was River Song, who loved him but would call him out when she thought he was wrong as shown in A Good Man Goes to War, but the problem with River was that she was a Mary Sue. Clara had flaws and made mistakes but she shared River's willingness to call the Doctor out when she thought he was wrong. She never did it in a "woman right, man wrong" way, she did it because she recognised that the Doctor wasn't the flawless god that most of his other companions thought he was. Also the Doctor would call out Clara's mistakes and flaws just as often as she called out his and seemed to know her better than she knew herself since he predicted that she would betray him in Dark Water. That's an equal relationship between a man and a woman done right because true equality means taking the good and the bad. After Clara left, I saw no reason to watch Season 10 because I knew there was little to no chance of the next companion being as good as her.
The problem is that Clara was TOO real. I cared about her so much that I became obsessed with Jenna Coleman and I know that's both creepy and unhealthy.
Imagine living in the universe where being a horrible child murderer is not as bad as being a MAN. 🤦♂️
@ Imagine living in the universe where Chris Chibnall is worse than a man and a child murderer and he's in charge of your favourite childhood TV show
and that is WOKE
That's what pro-abortionists are, child murderers, and not men, and they think they're better than everyone else.
Lol when girl power turns into girls ranting
I don't have to imagine it. I'm LIVING IN IT!!!
I’m still upset they didn’t make the Doctor a ginger. They had an opportunity and they ruined it.
Who would have thought that it would be a female doctor without a soul... That's what I call a plottwist... But isn't it sexist and discriminatory to not use a ginger in a role that specifically cries out ginger-stereotypes? :D
Hey I have a way to wreck the story more an autistic doctor
I hate this but hears a joke
Doctor: tests out every race combination then choses the regenerate as a straight white male 13 times.
Hnnngh. But David Tennant and the master was a otp
@@hopecookies1935 yeah sure
Those 13 iterations were just the setup for an amazing punchline.
Can we have an episode where Capaldi’s Doctor wakes up and realizes it was all a nightmare? Something along those lines?
or someone else playing the doctor, waking up from a regeneration fever-dream
Grim Shadow right!
Only way out...
Yeah I Wish!
Yes, we need a "Dallas" for this!!
Ever notice how these franchise killers have faces you want to punch?
*repeatedly no less*
Klutzman has a shit eating grin. Probably because he eats shit.
Jon Oil, oh completely!
I vote for public impalement as a more suitable cure for woke writing.
I want to torture, and maim them
Chibnal has forever cemented himself in history as a hack writer who completely destroyed a shows canon for no reason, I deeply hate the BBC and chibnal.
Even if they regenerate Jodie's "Doctor" and go back to better writing again, I will never watch the show again UNLESS they retcon all this shit and say it didn't happen. Just going back to good writing isn't enough - they need to fix what they broke. It could be as simple as the Master was trying to drive the Doctor insane (the "timeless child" being a "there are four lights" type moment), or just editing the ending of Twice Upon a Time and having Capaldi regenerate into someone else.
@@StormsparkPegasus it would be cool if the doctor wakes up and this was all a nightmare and he says finaly its over..
There was absolutely a reason. An idiot shitting on the idea that the previous doctors were white men. Because we can't possibly have that, can we?
@@StormsparkPegasus evil aliens imprisoned the Doctor in a simulation for years where they subjected him to a series of increasingly humiliating and character destroying scenarios in order to demoralise him and break his spirit.
There's a Farscape episode that is exactly like this and I imagine it the same way.
At this point, I just recommend to my friends who haven't seen Doctor Who to watch up to Capaldi's last episode and stop there.
A Whovian friend and I are under the headcanon that Capaldi's face is The Doctor's last, and Whittaker's face is a rogue Time Lord hellbent on causing as much chaos and destruction in The Doctor's name.
@@Skorpeonismyrealname Nice one! Mind if I add that last bit to my headcanon that the Doctor died with Capaldi? Also, it's pretty sad when a massive portion of the fanbase is relying on headcanons to maintain their sanity because the show is so crappy.
@@madeleine5561 Same here - The Doctor sadly died during a failed regeneration at the end of *Twice Upon A Christmas* - evidently due to Missy or The Rani tryin to steal his regeneration energy as The Tardis tossed her out. ... ... ... .. But yeah - it does suck that our ideas of Killing The Doctor, and The Show - are better than the mess BBC has turned it into. Sucks, but at least we got 12 Doctors, a great War Doctor, and decades of excellent episodes to watch - not to mention the hundreds and hundreds of novels and Big Finish Audio productions. That's what I do now instead of watching DW - I put on a Big Finish episode and lay back on the bed in the dark - some are great like these War Doctor ones, but sadly yeah... *RIP Doctor Who: 1963-2017.*
Alex Kurtsman: " I showed Jean-luc Picard to be a doddery old man that has no resemblance to how he was before"
Ruin Johnson: " I ripped up the reputation of Luke Skywalker to shreds, and destroyed the future of star wars"
Chris Chibnall: "hold my beer"
Though the Luke thing I think starts before TLJ.
I actually thought the Rian Johnson thing was pretty funny - and pretty realistic - what would you do if you were Luke, trained Han's kid and lost - everything? Mark My Word - in 10 years from now, Rian's part of that SW trilogy will be regarded as the Best and Most Original. Seriously. Just look at how much more people like it now than when it first came out - most like it wayyyyyy better than that final episode.
Our only hope is for Seth McFarlane to make a 'Doctor Who' parody that we can all watch instead.
Perfect!
“Lawyer What”
Notary When
Space/Time traveler "Whom", Ph.D
We can call it "Who Dat?!"
I grew up with Doctor Who; Tom Baker and Peter Davison were 'my' Doctors, and then, when David Tennant, Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi did their tenures, I fell in love with the show all over again. I have not watched a single episode with Jodie Whittaker, have no intention of ever doing so (the clips I've seen of her on RUclips are more than enough to convince me I never WANT to,) and, as far as I'm concerned, her tenure never happened; the show ended when Peter Capaldi bowed out. And yeah, I'm saying that as a woman.
The level of arrogance displayed with Chibnall's reign is unbelievable - "Let's see, this show has a layers upon layers of canon, and a formula that's been popular for fifty years... but I'm smarter, so I'll make it waay better by changing it all beyond recognition!" Yes, we DO need more diversity, more strong, smart female characters. But MAKE BRAND NEW ONES, and give them adventures OF THEIR OWN - don't gender-swap much-loved, existing male ones and rewrite their entire history to fit a political agenda! Doctor Who has had female time lords in the past - remember Romana? They could've created a spin-off show around her if what they wanted was a 'female Doctor Who.' Or even River Song... heck, The Sarah Jane Adventures was a childrens tv spin-off, and that was brilliant.
This, every word of this.
They could have brought back "The Doctor's Daughter" from the David Tennant era and say, discover that she did inherited of the capacity to regenerate a few times and BOOM a solo Female Time Lord story with her own backstory in parallel of Doctor Who's and maybe the possibility of a few cross-over now and then, but.... NOOOO! Let's gender-swap and destroy 50+ year's of story telling insted!
@@alexandresaoghal1761 Oh that is brilliant!
Always felt that when they gender swap existing characters they are saying they couldn't make a strong female character from scratch. They need to have a man get the character loved then swap it to a woman.
Same.
"I don't really count it as canon" I immediately subscribed after hearing that
"Don't you think she looks tired?"
"And don't you think Chibnall does too?"
No. I actually think she is brilliant.
Chitra Nath yeah, no you don’t.
6 words to end a career 😂
@@chitranath3346 Nice bait mate
Cant believe jodies interview. Davids reaction to her saying that he must have been cringing. As he had so much passion for the character. Theres a clip of him on top gear where he says " didnt everyone want to he the Doctor when they grew up" he actually had a love for the show. Now we have people writing and acting in the show who havent even seen it. Such a shame. And then us fans are made out to be the villains wanting to ruin everything.
Hear, hear
Yes. Quite a thorough waste of much time and energy.
Hello from Star Wars, you have all the sympathy in the world from us. I LOVED Doctor Who. Then Chibbi and Whitaker happened. They're not what DW needs. No love for the show, no love for established(yes, yes, I know, established is quite loose in DW) lore, characters and so on. They should be doing some different projects.
I loved it until now David tenant was the best they have ruined my favourite thing
@@Chtulhu1204 This makes me super sad that nearly all of my favorite Sci-Fi shows are dying. God, why can't we just have good writers?
*The biggest shock of ‘The Timeless Child’ is that it wasn’t a man who murdered the child over and over...*
Why is this so true XD
@@mikewasaski4038 dr.who didn't regenerate int oa woman if you stopped watching the show one spidose prior and told yourself "this was the last episode"
i did that and now i hate humanity,and any show i bond with i first make sure that it has to bealready finished and check reviews for last season first,if none said that it got the show ruined,that's when im starting to watch it,i avoid brand new shows because there's 90% chance it will be destroyed
"It's always the women overpowering the men"
*- Some misandrist*
David Tennant: Is there any part of you that imagined The Doctor might be a woman
Jodie Whittaker: Well, no, sputters You-- 'Cause I don't really know... I mean, to me it's like, "It's a guy."
DT: But I mean, did you feel a pressure get a--
JW: Mmm. Homework.
DT: ...Do your research.
JW: So, I've only seen a few eps, [sic] previous, because I had one brother with it. So then I started to watch a bit during my audition process, and I quickly decided that was NOT the way for me.
DT: That wasn't helpful?
JW: Not at all.
TL;DR
David Tennant: "I grew up on Doctor Who. Five was my favourite, and I even got the pleasure to marry his daughter when I was playing the Tenth Doctor. For a Red Nose Day special, I got to team up with Peter Davison for a charity episode, where Ten and I are one in the same, geeking out over our favourite incarnation."
Jodie Whittaker: "I saw a few eps while my brother was watching it. Didn't like it fam."
This depresses me.
Man I miss David. Good times.
She's just so.... full of herself.
Matt Smith had never seen an episode before he got the role and he was always open and honest about that, but he showed a great deal of respect whenever talking about it. He clearly cared about how he could contribute to the show's legacy. Whitaker just seems to treat it like a joke and is more concerned about what the show can do for _her._
R.I.P. Doctor Who. This was once a show that was the high point in the day of a little Black/Native American kid who attended an extremely racist school in Charlestown Mass. I would come home and look forward to watching Doctor Who, starring Tom Baker on PBS after Wild, Wild, World of Animals. I am truly grateful for that experience. What great storytelling, what amazing characters!
White men like me who grew up unracist in a world where Jordie was only a great engineer with a cool visor... are now automatically counting black people for woke points everytime a picture of a repurposed show comes out to "tease" us old fans. What a wonderful world, right? I can't wait to discover how lovely Charlestown Mass was back in your days, that's where we are going with all these boomer morons in charge......
@Urayis wish l Learn to read, I said "boomer morons IN CHARGE". Chibnall is as boomer as they come.
Yes, the writers are incompetent, psycho, marxists, racists, etc, but who hired them and enabled them instead of letting them rot in the local Mc Donalds serving food under Prozac in between two suicide attempts ?
Bill Murray Chibs was born 1970.
Im sorry people are shit bro
They really are
Word. I started my who experience with Tom Baker as well, no longer the 4th Doctor. Unless it's a dream than I'll never watch the new Whos again.
Antiques Roadshow beat a Who finale. let that sink in. A show about people hauling out their old junk to get fake-appraised beats a sci fi show about time travel. Ok.
Dr Who is currently a show about a lackluster writer hauling out his junk ideas and telling himself how shiny they are.
So the program before doctor who, "countryfile" and the program after, "Antiques Roadshow" both got more viewers. This says everything really.
@@BrianPeacock2 That means people went and did something else rather than stay sat down in front of the TV.
I'm so glad I stopped watching after Capaldi.
Same here
Wish I I had
Same here, I never even considered watching it after him.
Capaldi’s episodes weren’t that strong, but his acting and characterization saved it enough for me to keep watching. 4, 10, and 12 are my favorite doctors, but 12’s episodes are comparatively the weakest of the 3 overall imo
Charles Mikulas yea but he’s still good. After the girl became a doctor the show sucks
Doctor Who ended when Peter Capaldi regenerated. Maybe someday, in 15-20 years, when the show is started up again (when the fans who grew up with Matt and David become adults and get into TV production), we can see who he regenerates into.
@@Stormspark - I agree with everything you said. And truly the only way to continue the show is to pick up with Capaldi and just write off everything after as a loss, bad dream, whatever.
Davies is coming back in a couple years, that retcon is coming up fast.
@@asbestosfish_ Maybe...but supposedly he has said he is going to "respect" the timeless children. If he does, and does not retcon it, then I'm not watching his stuff either. I don't care if David Tennant comes back as the Doctor, I will absolutely NOT watch the show unless the timeless children is retconned.
Dr Who ended after Peter Davison left.
Ncuti Gatwa will be 13th Doctor and Russell T Davies will be back soon
How did we go from “Blink” and “Heaven Sent” to this?!
This garbage couldn't carry Blink's jock with a dump truck.
Or Heaven Sent. Utter bollocks!
*they took a HARD LEFT turn at intersection of SJW Street and WOKE Boulevard*
It makes me miss the Dinosaurs that Chibs loves so much!
@@karleighelizabethlust4994 Unpopular Opinion: I liked the _Dinosaur_ episode; it was goofy fun and the unnecessary and forced sexist commentary was easy to ignore. In fact, it's really the only one penned by Chib that I actually enjoyed which makes me wonder if he didn't pay someone to ghost write it for him.
Jodi Whittaker's "doctor" is not canon, this is NOT doctor who
I have said that several times.
It's Doctor What the...?
It absolutely "IS" Doctor Who.
Nope. Wrong. And nothing anyone can say will ever change that. Ever.
@@rnbnatl Dr. Mary Sue
Guys I got a way to fix the story. To be fair, I haven't seen the end of this episode, but hear me out. Picture this: the next episode is just a normal episode, but at the end we see the Master stumbling toward a communicator. He begins panicking and trying to reach out to the Doctor. But the Doctor who picks up isn't Jodie Whittaker, but a new actor.
Master: Doctor. Doctor come in!
Doctor: Master.
Master: We've got a problem.
Doctor: What?
Master: I've reminded the Timeless Child of who she is, but...
Doctor: But?
Master: She still thinks she's you.
...And cut to credits. This would also still work with the redemption of Missy, with this new Master only pretending to be evil. I dunno. If anyone has any other ideas or a better way to execute this one, please tell me.
or the doctor could wake in the tardis saying: rip van doctor what a terrible dream, still better then the actual arc
I like it !!👍
Shower runs in bathroom, mirror is steamed up, figure steps out and ckears mirror...its Peter!
Or just label The Master as a liar and this whole story part of his lying shenanigans!
My idea works. It's to start the next episode during the events of Twice Upon a Christmas (the final Capaldi ep) - we pick up after The Tardis has thrown some woman (Jodi) out the doors - at that point Helena Botham Carter shows up as The Doctor's Wife version of The Tardis and says she kicked Missy/The Master out just in time to Peter Capaldi's Doctor who remains un-regenerated having fallen behind the console. All episodes after *Twice Upon A Christmas* are revealed to be a bad dream had by Missy/The Master who was in a coma after he/she slammed into the planet. PERFECT FIX. Now just bring back Capaldi , the character of Bill, and Moffat to run it for one transitional season, then let Black Mirror's Charlie Brooker take over as showrunner/head writer - Ben Whishaw as The Doctor, and Hugh Grant as The Master (oh really you have a problem with Hugh Grant as The Master - watch his performance in The Undoing and get back to me).
Just bring Steven moffat and Russel t Davies back and let them both be joint show runners
We don't know what would happen, people wanted james cameron to direct terminator again and looked what happened.
@@juniorayala185 well yes and no because they both directed episode in season 1-4 so we could use that as a basis but yet again looking back rtd and moffat had 2 completely different styles
Davies, yes. Moffat, no. The woke nonsense storytelling started under Moffat.
My 17-year-old daughter has loved this show for awhile and forced me to watch some of it. And it was ok. We could sit around and watch it together and talk about it. We bonded. We had watched it on a delay, so we weren't up to date. In Israel last year, we were talking with a hipster tour guide with a man-bun and somehow Dr Who came up. My daughter gushed about how much she loved it, but he asked if she had seen the new episodes. She hadn't and he shook his head and said that the show was 'not very good anymore'. (He was trying to let her down gently.) She didn't believe him, of course, but eventually she saw the first female doctor and was horrified. She cannot watch the show at all anymore.
Now we bond watching snarky take-down videos.
I'm sad for her and you as well. Such a wonderful thing destroyed.
Yeah it seems all franchises are sharing the same fate. It’s sad to see so many tv shows and movies being destroyed after decades of history and sadly most will never recover.
@Bruce Gottfred
You'd better be lying, because your daughter not liking Jodie's run shows how Chibnall failed his target audience...
DemonicRemption you think that he’s lying? Some doctor who fangirls who I know hate the recent series.
@@jemstar3388 Everything became so derivative that people are getting sick of these neverending franchises anyway. Maybe we're better off like this. Maybe it's time to wipe the slate clean.
Chris Chibnall has finally put himself in Rian Johnson territory...... a franchise killer. This really sucks.
Along with Klutzman, it's an elite group of suck
It's a modern hallmark. Decades from now, culture historians will recall how killing canon was seemingly the purpose of the end days of established 20th century franchises.
Hopefully it spurs on a new generation of creators with their own ideas that they take out on their own creations, rather than repurposers with an overinflated sense of cultural significance.
Ironically, one of the few things RJ did to Star Wars that I didn’t have a problem with was making Rey a nobody, as it meant that the Force wasn’t some hereditary “dynasty” that no-one who wasn’t a born “superhero” could aspire to partake in (at least Rogue One had the blind dude who wasn’t a Jedi, but still could attune through clarity of mind & sheer willpower to the light side of the Force); Chibberz has done the exact opposite & said - after making-out like all females are so narcissistic that they can’t identify or empathise with a protagonist who isn’t a woman, and implying that males don’t deserve role models - that there’s no point in anyone - male or female - aspiring to being the hero as the Doctor was *born* a hero, rather than becoming one. This is typical cultural Marxism; everyone’s a uniform drone, and to aspire to be better is futile as you’re limited by your very nature to only be what society tells you were born as.
@@CtrlOptDel I think you give more credit than is due. I doubt he read that far into any of it; merely thinking that the supposedly unexpected, despite being a trope of "woke" writing, is enough to qualify as good writing. The rest is to avoid criticism.
He definitely Johnsoned Dr Who.
according to be bbc nothing in doctor who,s history is canon, so that means nothing that has happened in season 12 is canon.
I am not kidding, but i can play the doctor better than jodey
Not if Chibnall was writing for you haha, he'd find a way to make it worse
@@whatno5090 probably 😂😂😂
Hello BBC my name is Inigo Montoya..
You killed my beloved franchise...
PREPARE TO DIE!
A classic case of Toxic masculinity. INCEL BIGOT!
I think you hit a nerve with Thanasis the Woke.
Vaya Con Dios, Mi Amigo. And God Speed.
@@exexpat11 Go Woke, provoke!
Your calling me a INCEL BIGOT? How very dare you!!!
EXCUSE ME!! I'm a white make toxic misogynist.
I've triggered A LOT of snowflakes to get that title and I demand to be called as such!!
This is like that sinister line from George Orwell's 1984.
"Do I exist?"
"You do not exist."
*how are you even asking such foolish questions as a non existent entity?*
Wow, now I understand a line from AEon Flux, episode The Purge.
Young man: "You do not look like a Breen."
Aeon: "You do not exist."
fitting since Brenga is very totalitarian.
“Both Hegel and Marx believed that the evolution of human societies was not open-ended, but would end when mankind had achieved a form of society that satisfied its deepest and most fundamental longings. Both thinkers thus posited an "end of history": for Hegel this was the liberal state, while for Marx it was a communist society. This did not mean that the natural cycle of birth, life, and death would end, that important events would no longer happen, or that newspapers reporting them would cease to be published. It meant, rather, that there would be no further progress in the development of underlying principles and institutions, because all of the really big questions had been settled.”
― Francis Fukuyama
@@RenneDanjoule Marx and Engels were idiots. All socialists are.
Thank god they didn't confirm how many regenerations 12 got on Christmas. We can all pretend it was just one more, and Capaldi is our final doctor.
Yep - and he was.
you just destroyed 50 years of history!!!
Yup, he cast a woman then retconned the entire show just to legitimize her casting. "See, the doctor being a woman is perfectly normal!"
It could have been perfectly normal with good writing. The fans knew better though with Chibs at the helm.
@Scooby McDooby perhaps it was illogical. A hiccup in the regeneration process perhaps? An outside influence of some sort? You could make up a thousand ideas of WHY perhaps there is a new female doctor but the writers could not even bother to do that. Just easier to give a middle finger and yell "Deal with it!" Then add on to the mythology of the Doctor named Who.
Gary M
I really hope that wasn't the reason why but at this point I just don't know anymore.
Missy cemented the fact that regeneration wasn't limited to gender in the canon and IMO she was super well done and Michelle Gomez have an excellent performance. Missy was a great character who happened to be a women.
The most interesting way to do the Doctor being a women is to have us go through this first gender flip regeneration with them, instead it's just glossed over and retconed to make The Doctor always a women from the start which is honestly just way less interesting as well as just obliterating the cannon that came before. It's so fucking dumb.
The Doctor as a women could've been done really well, instead they just took a big woke dump on the entire series.
@Scooby McDooby Missy. Why the hell did everyone love her so much? She was a predominantly male time lord. So what happened? It's been stated time and time and time again that timelords can change genders through regeneration and that it was nothing to shy away from. 12th himself even said "timelords are above that silly nonsense" or something like that
The Dr could regenerate into anything, it would have been normal without the preaching!!
My wife got me into Doctor Who in 2005. I love British SCI-fi like Blake 7, hitchhikers, and Red dwarf. She refuses to watch Jodie. The writing is just so bad...
Hope you've seen Matt Smith and David Tennant! Had the honor of watching all of the Tom Baker episodes growing up!! I will keep these in my heart and thoughts not this horrible crap!
Bryan Neideffer i saw some Tom Baker Peter Davidson Collin Baker and Sylvester McCoy growing up, but never really payed attention until my future wife, showed me the “new” Doctor who (2005) I love the 9th doctor, 10th grew on me quickly and became my favorite, 11th was decent. 12th... well I like the actor and his enthusiasm, I wish he had decent writing. I have gone back and watched a lot of the 4th Doctor.
The identity politics is not a crutch for bad writing it's a shield.
Hamaa7 hitchhikers movie was terrible. The BBC show was better, but the radio dramas is the best, it’s better than the book adaptations.
@Matthew Matson
If your wife who got you into Doctor Who refuses to watch Jodie's run then this series has failed to capture a female audience member...
Agree
RIP Doctor
Signed..
A woman
*Angry Chibnall Noises*
@@WillWright77 Angry BBC noises
William Meek angry wet flannel noises
@@williammeek BBC executives: "Did we... make mistakes? No, no, of course not! It's the audience who's wrong! How dare they think for themselves and not follow their programming!"
BBC lickspittle: "It's worse than we thought, sir. Some of the criticisms are coming from WOMEN!"
BBC executives: "REEEEE!"
It is still absolutely shocking to hear her imply to Tennant to his face it wasn't useful to refer to his work (among the rest). This man dwarfs her with talent, pretty much defined the role in recent times, is allegedly her friend and was graciously showcasing her. Not only she gives frivolous answers instead of using his insight and sensitivity to create literally endless depth, she bluntly tells him she saw some episodes and decides it wasn't for her. Researching an iconic role wasn't for her and she presumably proudly said that in front of an iconic actor to play the role. Forget actress, she lacks basic courtesy as a person!
Female "Missy Master" was great. It is not about the sex of the characters, it's the story and how the actor pulls it off.
Their goal was obviously to kill the show.
@@raywar3 "yall"
Yes ! I find Jodie awful and zero charisma but not because she is a woman. Many actresses would have been good Doctors. Not her.
@@raywar3 57 years of consistent and good writing and you think they only care about money?
I think we can all agree Rowan Atkinson is the one and only true Doctor.
Edit: With the recent episode, it wouldn't suprise me if it was actually made canon.
Rowans Atkinsons Doctor can now be one of the pre-Hartnel era Doctors, its doable.
I would love if Rowan played the Doctor!
I'll accept that.
I'd rather have Moffat's Doctor Who Red Nose Day Special made canon compared to this bullshit. Joanna Lumley was a better female Doctor in 2 minutes of screen time compared to Jodie Whittaker's 2 years in the role.
SGTshelby
...and Joanna Lumley is the first female Doctor and played the part with more charm, humour and charisma than Jodie Whittaker could manage in a lifetime!
To quote someone from Naughty Dog, exactly who I can't remember for the life of me: "It's like watching your beloved daughter do porn."
That was the feeling I had when Timeless Children came out. The moment when it all crashed and burned.
Ah well.
Let's call it what it is, this is a "reboot" of the entire show, within the existing history (rewriting and/or erasing it). The problem is that it did not need a reboot. This is what happens when "woke" politics is more important than entertainment. The fact that the BBC is backing this is further proof that this is a reboot. It's done.... they don't care. They are out to cater to their specific audience. Damn you if you don't agree... that's why there has been this campaign by different media articles defending the direction of the show. In my opinion the show ended when the 12th Doctor regenerated. I'm done w/ Doctor Who. I will not watch any new shows or episodes.
It's a bunch of childish solipsists essentially catering to themselves.
Jamie Arthur You’re so right. As for me, I just pretend that the Doctor died heroically at the end of The Doctor Falls. Appropriate final episode name. Fitting end to the Master’s/Missy’s story. It was also before the disgraceful and woke Twice Upon a Time.
They're doing the exact same thing now with Halo. The new Halo TV series just butchers the Halo lore for the sake of Woke politics, 99.99% of Halo fans hate it (and the remaining 0.01% are just OK with it), yet there are a myriad of articles praising it like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
My understanding is they did the same to Star Wars and Star Trek, too. The fact this pattern keeps playing out in the exact same way proves it's not happening organically. This is deliberate and planned.
I've been watching this show since the early seventies. Over 50 years and it's totally over.
And the sad thing is... It didn't have to be. But the producers couldn't course correct, because they think they are right. It's Warhammer 40K's Ecclesiarchy, except they worship the Woke, and those that don't are heretics... They forgot however, they don't have the muscle to compel thought, so everything they built and subverted in our pop franchises is all tumbling down.
Arnold Schwarzenegger would be a better Doctor Who.
Me too, I started watching with Pertwee and I saw the episode on Sunday and said ' It's done '
Same here, but Moffat killed it for me. I only return to it now to see how much further it's rotted. Like a ghoulish child returning to a road killed badger.
I've been a fan since '78 and I'm out.
Star trek: Dead
Star wars: Dead
Dr. Who: Dead
DC: Dead
Marvel: Slow death
Terminator: Dismantled melted down and sold for scrap.
James Bond: R.I.P. ?
DUNE: ???
Please let Villeneuve's _Dune_ be good, please let Villeneuve's _Dune_ be good, please let Villeneuve's _Dune_ be good...
We got SG1 still...I hope.
Hotel: Trivago
Add Bond to your list.
Sad, but true. :'(
It was destroyed a few years ago. I accepted that the Doctor is dead and the series is over. I still have 50 years worth of the franchise before it all got ruined.
I find myself thinking of my favorite Jon Pertwee serial "The Green Death". It was one of the most overtly message-driven episodes of the classic era. It had an evil, greedy corporation polluting a small town and exploiting its population. It had idealistic rabble-rousing 1970s pro-environmental hippies. But you know what? It also had giant killer maggots spawned by toxic waste, action scenes with UNIT and the Doctor tossing people with Venusian aikido. And it was fun. And awesome. And also ended with one of the most genuinely heartfelt moments of the entire series (Jo Grant and the Doctor parting ways) that was completely well-earned after years of character development. Ah, need to rewatch the classics and remember the good old days.
I know how to solve this problem...
This may need some patience for a certain type of person to understand but this WILL work:
*_STOP GIVING ESTABLISHED FRANCHISES TO HACKS!!_*
Or I know. Maybe dont put politics and agenda first and mayb i dont know put an emphasis on story/ plot and characters?
@@gregweisal5542 That's obviously implied with the 'not giving to hacks' part in the OP. If you don't give to hacks in the first place, then you wouldn't get the stuff you/we dislike.
For that to happen, people have to stop watching hacked established franchises.
Can we make your comment a billboard!
@Cyrus Wolfe So, by that logic, hacks are fine just so long as they aren't 'Woketard hacks' right?
Just stop giving it to hacks works perfectly fine, there's nothing to improve upon.
Again, the OP was fine and your 'TFTFY' actually fixes feck all. Lol.
If the Doctor started out as a child and regenerates as one every time, WHY does the Doctor ever regenerate as an adult?
Why do you think they regenerate into a child every time?
@@gadgez_ That is LITERALLY what the show demonstrated in this episode. The Doctor started out as a child. Unless each iteration is a life-form where each child can live out a life until it becomes of old age, then there was no need to EVER show the doctor starting out AS a child. Prior to Chibnall's forced insertion of "canon," the Doctor had never been established with having a childlike form (point proven with each of the past 11 Doctors NEVER regenerating into a child).
@@therevelistmovement4683 I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. The Doctor was never established as having a childlike form?
In the Sound of Drums we see a child form of the Master, who we know shared a youth with the Doctor, and in Listen it's pretty heavily implied (and basically confirmed in Hell Bent) that the kid in the barn on Gallifrey is the Doctor.
The episode "LITERALLY demonstrated" they regenerate into a child every time? Did we even watch the same episode? One of the questions she asks the Ruth Doctor is "did they force me back to childhood?" because of her memories growing up as the First Doctor.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the shitty episode, I'm just increasingly confused by your interpretation.
I've never seen one episode of Doctor Who. I am simply going on the elements of the episode detailed in this video. The doctor was, in this episode, firstly, a child. Each time that this child regenerated, it was another child. Did you actually watch THIS episode? More specifically, why did my post to this get 24 likes. Were THOSE 24 people dreaming this up, or wrong, like I imagine you assume.
@@therevelistmovement4683 At no point did you mention not having watched the show before, and "never been established" implied to me that you had some sort of familiarity with it. When you said "in this episode," I thought you were referring to The Timeless Children rather than the youtube video. Similarly, when I say "the shitty writing," it is in reference to The Timeless Children.
To get back to addressing your point, the regenerations that you saw were happening to a child, which has also been seen to happen previously. The regenerations in the past have always been, while mostly random, influenced to some degree of subconscious or conscious control (results vary by character). A child would not regenerate into an adult or vice versa due to something like their maturity levels. However, with Chibnall's new version of events, who knows? Maybe we'll get a 16 year old next time.
Dr Who ended a few years back, the last two years we've had this SJW crap replace it, not sure what it is, but it damned well isn't Dr Who.
Yep
No it didn't and it is very much alive. The last two series have not been crap and your just out of touch with the world.
@@LNER985 no cause look at the ratings, its dying due to this 'whole diversity' crap and SJW shit. Not all of it has but the majority is.
@@LNER985 You don't have a clue, they've been shit, and that's not just my opinion, look at the ratings.
@@elijahvictorious6569 All TV shows have lower ratings so it doesn't really matter and Doctor Who is not dying. Just people like you still living in the dark ages need to grow up and treat people equally. No the matter gender and skin colour. You clearly not keeping in the touch with the changes that have happened in the last 15 to 20 years.
So they called themselves Time-Lords... before they had the ability to travel in time...
Motivation is a great thing.
Richard Charlwood no they only called themselves time lords after the citadel and they created time travel
According to Moffat, Capaldi was scared of the dark at an Academy to earn the Time Lord Title
Maybe they were just really good at making watches
That would be like if humans humans were called Race Car Drivers, before we invented the wheel.
Fans' OCD tendencies already flared up when The War Doctor was introduced, this is a nuclear explosion compared to that.
Also, John Hurt was great. No prob with that. Just messed with the numbering. That's all.
Agreed, nobody disliked John Hurt as an actor he was usually brilliant in the majority of roles he always did. but yeah plenty of us had issues with the War Doctor. Moffat? if Eccleston didn't want to come back as the 9th Doctor, make the War Doctor Paul McGann's 8th Doctor instead duh. Showing fans how through a massive galactic war his 'Bryonesque Doctor' became a Time Warrior throughout the conflict and towards its end, did the unthinkable with The Moment? (Sigh) But yeah this was a friggin Nuke onto the franchise with a Cobalt warhead to boot!
The role was originally was intended for eccleston but he wasn’t interested, and I’d assume McGann was either busy or also not interested. John Hurt was an excellent choice considering
@@matthewduncan8523 I think that the War Doctor was a good move. To me, he was an emotional buffer for The Ninth Doctor who was so damaged by his actions in The Time War. In "Dalek" he first said he watched it happen, then he made it happen, indicating that he has some distance from his actions in The Time War. Of all of the Doctors (before finding out about The War Doctor), I've thought that The Seventh Doctor was the one who could have taken the actions the War Doctor did.
If you're old enough to remember it - OCD fans were outraged when it was revealed the Doctor was actually part of a secret race of aliens called The Time Lords. There will always be some people who just don't get the ongoing evolution of the Doctor Who mythos. They have some kind of superficial, naive notion that it was all established in 1963 and that anything new done in 2020 doesn't count because it wasn't that way back in 1963. Thank god THEY'RE not writing the shows or it would have gone stale and boring in the late 60's and been canceled.
@@AnaiBendai Here here. I won't say I'm a fan of Chibnall's writing or the underdeveloped characters, but you can't say the show is boring. At least, not this season. I'm sure this kind of material could've been handled better in another writer's hands. People upset about the change to the Doctor's history are overreacting.
“It had a major female audience that has now left.”
Up that’s me. I saw one episode of NuWho and didn’t watch another. However, I am watching all of these reviews and it tears me to the core to see what they’ve done with it.
Long story incoming:
I used to watch Doctor Who with my grandma who is now dead. It’s a great memory I have with her since we could nerd out and bond. I wonder what she would think of the changes....she’d probably hate them too. Oh well, Granny. When I see you again, this is one of the things I won’t update you on. 😂
Don't panic. It's gonna turn out The Master is actually the timeless child and is evil because he was tortured. Tricking The Doctor into thinking she is the timeless child is all part of his diabolical plan.
Hope Chibnall is proud of himself. My kids love the intelligent, well written Pertwee/Baker episodes, and get them out the library all the time. No matter what the Beeb does, they can't delete history
I'm sure Chibs would like to try, if he had the power.
Until they build time holes anyway.
I've watched Dr Who since I was a kid and I'm 49 years old now but some of my best childhood memories are of watching the 3rd Doctor's TV series up at my grandmother's at tea time. I've been watching Dr Who with my mother, my two daughters, my brother and his two children for around ten plus years. It used be be a fortnightly Family event for us all to meet up, have tea together and watch Dr Who. A family tradition that had started with myself and my mother not long after the first episodes aired of the new 9th Dr Who series that had first been shown in Melbourne Australiaon on the ABC TV station. We were gathered together to watch the start of this years series here in Australia as we always do absolutely hoping that the 2nd season of this agenda driven dribble would course correct. But unfortunately within the first five minutes of the first episode my mother turned to me and said this is not Dr Who any more. We took a vote to see if any of us wanted to continue watching the series and it was a unanimous decision from three generations of our family to say no, we are not going to watch this once beloved tv show any more. We are all eagerly awaiting the release of season three of The Orville so as a family we can have a TV series that we can collectively enjoy as a family. This is a tv series that I looked forwards to every year and I feel a great sadness in my heart at it's destruction by folks who clearly do not understand or care about Dr Who eccept as a delivery system for their agenda driven talking points. As far as my family is concerned, when Peter Capaldi's Dr Who regenerated and the Tardis turned on it's side with the interior blowing up and Jodie's Dr fell out of the Tardis, she actually went splat on the ground and died along with the the hopes and dreams of Dr Who fans all around the world. Rest in peace Dr Who.
I admire your family's true appreciation of a democratic process, rather than an autocratic process, since Melbourne is pretty-much the "San Francisco" of Australia, politically speaking. I imagine the "wild and woolly days" of the Espy are now over.
@@HungryForTastyFoodAndComicArt Yes sadly. Melbourne Australia used to be a fantastic place to live but it's definitely become the nanny state of Australia. I live out in the country region of Melbournes outer suburbs so it's not quite so full on but they seem to be creating a rule for everything we do in life. It's getting just a little bit repressive. That's life I guess in a so called democracy. Could be worse I guess like living in China so there's always that reality check lol.
I prefer my own theory: The TARDIS couldn't stand the taste and just _spat_ her out. Upchucked. Vomited. Puked. Blech! ;D
@@CornballLyric Well, at least we still have some great stuff like Phryne Fisher 😊. Not even the Nanny State has been able to keep Phryne down! If you haven't seen her recent film, I heartily recommend it; I've even been working on a clip about it. And I'm glad you don't live in Hipster-Brunswick, lol.
@@HungryForTastyFoodAndComicArt Heck no to Brunswick lol. The entire family loves Phryne Fisher and we are definitely going to see it next week on tight arse Tuesday at the local cinema. It's about the only way we can afford to see movies these days as it's getting murderously expensive to take the family out. Thank you very much for the heads up and recommendation for Phryne's film.
It's such a shame that they wrecked such a good show. My daughter (11) and I started watching the Tennant and Smith episodes last year, and loved it. I really enjoyed a show that was cerebral, fun and exciting to watch. I am really into sci-fi generally, I love the myths, narratives and possibilities in these stories.
We were excited about the Jodie Whittaker doctor but felt it was appallingly acted and terribly written - neither of us enjoyed the feeling we were being preached at, and my daughter said it felt like a badly written kids' show on Nickelodeon (and god knows there is more than enough of that crap about). We couldn't stick it out for long with Jodie and Chibnall. Happily, my daughter has asked me if we can go back and watch the william hartnell epsiodes and go on from there, so have ordered a dvd and plan to engage with that whilst stuck indoors!
Good plan! You'll love the Tom Baker era - he was the epitomy of bonkers (both as The Doctor and in real life.)
Tennant era was the best imo
baker, pertwie, eccleston Tennant Smith and capaldi were and are amazing doctors but I've refused to watch the chibnall shite.
In other words, they're re-imagining Doctor Who for their woke agenda.
“I was born a boor black child” -The Doctor (also Steve Martin in The Jerk)
@Scooby McDooby To Hell with the purple people. Unless they're suffocating-then help 'em.
I think I'll call Chubnuts Shithead from here on!
@@whitebeardskydaddy6756 Seems appropriate since that's all that comes out of his head
Also Michael Jackson
Well, I don't need this show! All I need is this paddle game, and that's it! Wait, I need this chair. This chair, and this paddle game, and that's all I need; I need this, this chair, this paddle game and this boxed set of original Dr Who, and that's all I need!
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
C.S. Lewis
Where's the quote from? I'd like to use in my dissertation, but I'd need a citation.
@@TwoOnions275
It's from "God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)"
@@revbayes Ta!
The wisdom of the Brits never fails to amaze this Yankee. I only wish Chibs had some of it and the morons at the BBC.
the highest cuase can justify any atrocity to achieve it, be wary of the self rightous fanatic as they will cast anyone and anything even themselves into a fire for their goels. there is no limit to fanaticisim, there is no limit to insanity... and to let it rule is doom in the long term, on th individual level, and the cultural level as well.
This made me legitimately cry... Doctor Who was my Childhood, and they ruined it in one episode...
"They peed on the dead body" - Awesome, dude! Sums it up in one sentence.
Doctor Who fans before Chibnall took over: "The worst ham-fisted political message will always be 'The Happiness Patrol'."
Chibnall and his writing staff: "Hold my beer."
The writing for the McCoy years was not great, some okay though. Happiness Patrol was facism painted pink!
@@gorillaau that sounds like the women's march lol
Chris Deathnail to Dr Who
Meh. I actually liked those episodes.
Give me the The Happiness Patrol over this last 2 series of dr who.
Never mind destroying the Doctor Who lore, history and the character themselves, the episode was just so stunning and brave.....
That is sarcasm, correct?
@@markrussell910 God no, look at that oversized zealot that is Chris chibnall in the eye and and say that this episode wasn't stunning or brave... see, you can't.
@@ChadWho Stunning or brave... Still a sack O' shite!!! You can't polish a turd!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@odeis5 I love this! Made me chuckle over me coffee ;-) Ta
How To Sims and shit add that on ur comment
There's an idea that goes around that TV writing has never been of a higher standard and that was true until it became infected with woke. What the woke infection did was make woke so important that nothing else mattered.
I repeat and I repeat again that I have no problem with a female Doctor and given there's whole universe of potential companions - assistants sound like it's a job and FAM can go **** itself - one should expect diversity.
Like Gary, if I may call him that, I was prepared to sit out the abomination that was Chibnall's and Whitaker's Doctor - but now Dr Who is dead to me. In my mind Peter Capaldi is still imprisoned forever by that ice and that's how it ended for the Doctor. He (or whatever pronoun people think is appropriate) was finally paying the cost of being a renegade (that might also retcon certain recent canon which deserved retconning).
This wokeness is just damaging so many of the things I loved. I sit firmly on the left of politics and this destroying of canon simply to be woke is not done in my name and causes me actual anger and distress. Gary mentioned that he realises how important these series are now and not only because of mental health reasons. Star Trek is so important because it inspired so many of the world's scientists to take up science. There is no other TV programme (except maybe an Attenborough documentary) that can boast that importance. As for its woke credentials, ask no other than Martin Luther King!
And as for the appalling Whitaker, who played Dr Who like she was playing a stupider version of Jody Whitaker who had somehow infused knowledge serum by accident, she's just terrible. BTW there are hints that Whitaker's Doctor, like Capaldi's Doctor, is on the autistic spectrum but compare that to Davison's & Tennant's who no-one could ever accuse of lacking empathetic actions then WTF. I have been angered by some of the things she has said but that level of dismissiveness towards the whole history of the programme truly enraged me. Nobody should give Kelly Marie Tran a bad time for Rose Tico. It was not her fault and I can even justify some of her character's odd behaviour which again has nothing to do with KMT. Jodie Whitaker's performance and attitude have everything to do with Jody Whitaker. Is she or indeed any of the BBC aware that during Tennant's (and I'm surprised he didn't tell her during Broadchurch) tenure female viewers made up over 50% of the audience and yet poor Jodie couldn't watch because of the male gaze.
Well now we have a woke gaze and it's a ****ing disaster. I'm finished with it.
Hello from someone on the moderate right of politics. I really appreciate your comments. There are so many leftist political stances that I can relate to, but I am also quite dismayed by the effects of the "woke infection." Let's not forget that there's a lot of us lost in the political middle ground. There's so much shouting, we just never get heard. Maybe the only thing we can do about it is stop giving them an audience.
Much of the appeal of the earlier doctors in the non-classic period was their relationship with their female companions - Rose Tyler, Clara, and so on, where the feelings between the two was more than friendship. This has been eroded, starting with Amy Pond, since she had her boyfriend tagging along, then of course Bill Potts was a lesbian, so that was completely gone. That has been lost now.
@@gtv6chuck One of the things that bothered me with Amy Pond was that she was quite sexually aggressive towards the Doctor - something I think that was partially explained later but wouldn't even have been allowed on TV the other way around - & flirted with him so much that you could understand why Rory had suspicions. Yes she always loved Rory but I suppose it provided an interesting dynamic.
I preferred my Doctors to be asexual & the first hint of sexuality was by McGann's Doctor in the one-off 90s special. Up until then it was more companionship like with Donna and Tennant's Doctor.
Why would Matt smith need more regenerations and was gunna die of old age if he was the timeless child who can regenerate endlessly
Because they reset the Dr's regenerations to the normal 12 when they biologically reset him
Cancel Your TV Licence!!
Deposit your TV at the front gates of the BBC.... Do it on mass and see how they react.
I wouldn't call myself a huge doctor who fan but I was left really confused by all this decision making by Chibnall. I feel like I could have written a better story and that's not even my job.
The whole thing with Yaz I felt so bewildered. It really came out of left of field. She's the best? Why? She didn't do anything. Rose absorbed the time vortex. Martha walked the goddamn earth! Doctor Donna. Amy was the doctors bezzie. Clara who saved the doctor. I think yaz is incomparable. She hasn't used any of her skills at all as a police officer! Martha's medical training was referenced. Donna's whole arc was about her being a temp and using those skills and looking for something more permanent and to have that so close with her being doctor Donna and the whole thing of it being temporary was a massive kick in the teeth for her.
I hated that the doctor let the guy sacrifice himself... that's never how the doctor would have behaved.
We found the end of the doctor on trenzalore was it? I can't remember but surely if Clara went into his time stream surely she would've been like wow you had a load of lives. What was the point in the time lords sending extra lives through that crack if the doctor has infinite regenerations anyway? Riversong gave up her regeneration to save the doctor - that's all for nothing too.
I think the timeless child should have been the master. That's why he's so messed up. he's lived so many lives. Finally, he's genetically superior to his rival and without him his rival wouldn't even be able to exist. If I were the new show runner I'd totally retcon this. The matrix data was corrupted the master misunderstood it was him. The Ruth doctor was actually an earlier (good) incarnation and was masquerading as the doctor with some hartnell DNA on some mission from that sect that the timeless child was a part of. IDK I'D TRY TO PUT IT RIGHT THOUGH!
Wow. Better then anything Chibnall has come up with. But sorry this can’t be used. It makes logical sense and we can’t have that
I bet you could have!
I would add that the final episode should be another reboot. Just to make sure this will never be referenced again....
I agree with everything but i liked the ruth doctor we could keep her. She feels more Doctor than Jodie. Ruth could be a future badass Doctor
Heck, you could even go back to Jodie's very start and say that when she fell out of the TARDIS after regenerating, she fell unprotected through the time vortex and was fractured into a number of timeless children throughout many parallel strings of our universe, so while she might be the timeless child, she isn't the doctor from this universe and now must go around collecting and merging with all the timeless doctors in order to fully regenerate.
She could find this out simply by asking the TARDIS, too, since the TARDIS scanned the entirety of Gallifrey in order to save it, the TARDIS will know every minutia of fact about it and can prove that what she thinks she knows is false.
If she hasn't fully regenerated yet that could also explain her constant hyperactivity, because she is constantly high on regeneration energy.
It's not a good story arc, but it's at least not a Chinballs story arc.
I think of two friends from college in the 1980s who tried to introduce me to the show. One of them had a scarf about 10 feet long like the Doctor. Somewhere in the Midwest of the United States I know two almost-60-year-olds whose hearts are broken.
I mean, I lost my father 4 years ago and binge watching Doctor Who was one of the things that helped me. Also helped me finally leave my flat and socialize again. It gave me hope and strength to move on. The dude is right about that. Such a big disappointment for me personally.
Its like everything we like is getting last jedied.
Apacalypsyagon M., it’s not‘like’ that-it is that, and it’s a travesty for us, who’ve found inspiration and something to believe in in these stories, to have them desecrated like this.
Apacalypsyagon M.
You need to risk your money and leisure time by supporting original stories. All those who are risk averse make Studios risk averse.
There was no need for _Episode VII,_ but mainstream audiences threw their money at it, with some watching it multiple times.
There was no need to recast the crew of the Starship _Enterprise,_ but mainstream audiences threw their money at it.
There was no need for _Doctor Who_ to return after it was cancelled in the McCoy era. It had been shit for a while.
@@burntumbrage6868 history will record these times and one day all talentless feminist trolls will be ridiculed and rejected. When they seek work and express their desire to see more representation and diversity on screen, and wish to overturn the male-dominated entertainment industry, they will have the statistics of the failures of their attempts to be creative in this era rammed down their throats before they are kicked to the kerb with the words, "Never again you warped little misadrist! If you're as capable as men, prove it by creating your own shows and films. What you're not going to do is appropriate a male-created success so you can smash it into the ground like a petulent little shit!"
Keldor D'Antrell, I appreciate the sentiment you express here, but if such a scenario should arise years from now, at the rate they are destroying things now, I question whether there could be anything long-loved left to be turned away from in the manner you describe 🥺
@@KeldorDAntrell
Maybe, but the pendulum seems to be swinging rather erratically, not by events, but by fabricated pseudo-events.
Dr Who needs to do a Dallas. Have David Tennant wake up in the Tardis and he says to Rose, "I've just had the strangest dream"
Id rather it be capaldi talking to Missy. Or better yet matt Smith to clara
Scyclo 4189 not Capaldi. I didn't like Capaldis Doctor. I did like Matt Smith but I hated Clara. Maybe Amy and Rory, it could happen during the events of Angels take Manhattan, before the Angels get Amy and Rory
I think the Dallas scenario should start at Capaldi’s regeneration. I mean there were a few good Capaldi episodes, but it was ashame that the wokeness kinda started in his second series. And kinda like Capaldi’s character, an angry Scot. It is possible to rewrite the Doctor’s timeline as proven by Chibnal. Remember the episode Amy’s Choice? Where Amy, Rory and the Doctor kept falling into the dream (or nightmare in their case). This was because the Tardis was heading and plummeting into a frozen sun. This could be a really good get out clause to eradicate Whittaker’s time as the Doctor, it was all a dream. We can have the new Doctor emerging from Capaldi’s regeneration realising Whittaker’s time was a bloody nightmare. He, and I mean a He, checks himself making sure he’s a man and then saying that god awful quote by Whittaker “I just had an upgrade”, then let see how quick the women and how many to complain that is sexist. I bet the same moaners did moan when Whittaker said it.
Tennant wakes up with everyone in the tardis in journey’s end and just goes ‘what the fuck’
Why did the BBC let this happen? My childhood was Dr Who. Tom Baker was my first Dr. To make it meaningless as Chibnall has is criminal. Dr Who ended for me after Peter Capaldi's reign.
Up until Capaldi's departure. I just pretend Doctor Who ended on that day and it doesn't exist now :)
Same here. Is the only logical thing to do in the face of BBC's incompetence. RIP Doctor Who: 1963-2017.
I had a pretty shit 'childhood' but one of the highlights (and one of the few times I went to a school) was when a certain god like Doctor (with a very long scarf) visited the school I had been placed in,
with a dalek...
He wrapped his scarf around me, and broke a wax bottle over my head and let me throw a rubber brick at him.
Making The Master the original Time Lord would actually have been an interesting twist, but making The Doctor central to the universe makes him "too" special.
Shades of the American pilot, methinks.
Like, the Doctor is already important as it is.
Terrible decision. The Doctor was an outsider. That was his appeal, he fought for the small people. Now the Doctor is the Time Lords...he's the establishment. Urrgh.
Jason Clark fuck off noooooo
Chibnall doesn't have the talent to do 'interesting'.
Imagine this being the only evidence that 13 was an unlucky number
A decent writer could cancel this out by saying the Master was lying in order to mess with the Doctor’s mind and crush her spirit. Jo Davies Doctor could turn out to be a future regeneration (who was also lying when she said she didn’t remember being #13) or maybe even be the master herself. Lots of options.
First they need to drop Chibnall though. He’s a total hack who can’t write good stories so has to resort to cheap gimmicks instead.
Or be the rani
Or follow the 6b theory and put her between 2 and 3
Drop kick Chibnil.
If you’re like me and you absolutely hate this whole twist reveal, go bash the RadioTimes, because they’re actively defending it.
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see youself become woke."
I'm sorry, doctor who? I"m not sure I know who that is. Not anymore.
God damm man this is so accurate I am not sure if I should laugh or cry
It was a good story set up. They were soo close to making a great storyline. If only the master was the timeless child it would’ve been really good and exciting
@@fear_cheetah2079 still wouldn't like it.
All you had to do was leave the past alone.
You can build up upon an existing story or something, just don't change (retcon) stuff.
Plus I wouldn't want the master to be the timeless child as it was already established that the master went insane because of the timelord initiation whereas the doctor ran as it's apart of his character.
And we already had a storyline where the master was a tool of the council of galafray (definitely spelled that wrong), don't do it again.
I hate everything about Jodie's run.
As a beloved Doctor Who fan since before I can remember in the seventies, I cannot bring myself to watch this anymore. It's not heart breaking; it's become so stupid i've lost interest. And you perfectly sum up why.
30 years ago this dude would have been a great radio voice.
How does her using their memories cause the Matrix to explode when the collection of his memories are minute in comparison to the vastness of the sum of the Timelords memories over 10 million plus years, this is so contrived and nonsensical.
I don't think you are supposed to use logic or even actually analyze the current season of dr. who.
Shut up you bigot! Get out of here with your logic! Its not welcome here REEEEEEEEEEEEE
I can't even bring myself to watch this ridiculous sh!te...so I have no idea. These writers are absolute trash. It's so sad.
@@diamondaxe4133 UNACCEPTABLE!
Chib has an interview in the 80s where he shows dislike to Doctor Who stories etc. he planned revenge!! to get back at those who like the Doctor Who format :)
So, Chubnuts Strikes Back!?
I've seen that interview,
this really has been his plan all along.
"The Moment as been prepared for ..."
Its a good thing that I stopped watching after Capaldi's run, I didn't have to sit through this shit.
I see only one solution: the writer of series 14 must not be Chibnall.
They must declare series 11, 12, and 13 as non-canonical and cleverly write this in somehow.
The episode you discussed is not acceptable. It must be damned.
I can't describe how much I don't want to have to use the phrase 'back when Doctor Who was good', as I have to look back on fond memories of the Simpsons.
If there's one thing I believe in, that's change. Let's change Doctor Who for the better in this new decade.
Gabriel Williams first episode of next season, capaldi doctor wakes up from a terrible dream
@@sheikhrobbie466, as cringy as that would be, I would 100% be happy with that, if it could resurrect Doctor Who.
Gabriel Williams couldnt be shitter than what these mugs churned out
@@sheikhrobbie466, indeed. Reset back to the Christmas special after the end of series 9 and everyone will be happy.
Gabriel Williams at least season 10 was palatable to a degree, but i agree i would love them to have capaldi wake up with the clara theme blaring at 300 decibels and chibnall eaten by one of the bins from season 1 so he can reside where he belongs
Original - 'classic' - Doctor Who said "Come with us on an adventure."
RTD's reboot Who said "Sit there and watch us have an adventure." (X100 for Moffat)
Chinballs Who says "Sit there and watch us tell each other about an adventure."
Chinballs: Sit there and we'll lecture you about how bad you are....
*Sit there and let us lecture you about how all those previous adventures were evil and oppressive.
Most obvious and self-answering questions:
Is this what the audience wants? ... or is it what the producers and writers believe the audience should want?
@Jon Seymour It's always interesting that for all their anti-establishment posturing, the opinions of sjw's almost always align with those of giant corporations.
Sjws scream louder than everyone else and they have to be pandered to for some wierd reason. Absolute nutters have been given priority and power
I was the audience... I'm not anymore. I guess that means a higher percentage of the audience, those that remain, want it. Right?
Nobody knows what the audience wants
I can't think of anything more boring than a show that only does what the audience wants.
"Remember that time Yaz just stared at something?"
I REMEMBER THAT
14:36 says it all. She has no clue about the character she is playing. Between her and Chibnall they have damaged the show, probably irreparably.
I've seen Chinballs as a kid whining about some episode of classic Who not being good enough, but this is what he wanted?!
Matygoo that is why he became a writer, so he could get his revenge by making the worst Doctor Who in history.
Its EXACTLY what he wanted. He clearly had daddy issues (ALL of the last season was about demonizing men) and is the kind of prat that got bullied a lot at school for being an insufferable know it all. This was his way to get back at everyone he thinks in his sad little mind, that ever slighted him or made him take a look in the mirror at what a disgustingly unlikable, smarmy little prick he always was.
And of course, its that kind of unflushable turd that somehow rises to the top till they can get into a position to exact revenge on those they feel wronged them in some way instead of manning up and getting on with their sad sorrowful little insignificant lives.
Whats funny is that he wasn't winging about a particular episode as much as declaring that Pip and Jane's writing was bad (which it was, I'll give him that). And just look at HIS writing. Give me Pip and Jane's shit any day over the dross Chibbs the idiot farts out onto the page.
@@zybch Pip and Jane Baker wrote perhaps the worst ever Classic Who story - Time and the Rani.
But apart from that they wrote or even just contributed to JUST THREE other stories!
Chibnall has written at least a DOZEN awful Nu-Who AND Torchwood stories!
He is the prat who brought us....
- Cyberwoman (Torchwood)
- Countrycide (Torchwood)
- Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (Torchwood)
- 42
- The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood
- The Power of Three
- The Woman Who Fell to Earth
- Spyfall
- Arachnids in the UK
- Praxeus
and
- Ascension of the Cybermen
@Fran Ohmsford what pisses me off more is that I really liked his story from Torchwood and doctor who before he started series 11. The fact that he can write good stories is just annoying as fuck