We have focused so much on the rights of the poor to have food, clothing, health and shelter that we have neglected to take care of the qualifier that Paul gave us to go with this ideal and that is "He who will not work should not eat.". This has lead our society down a path of always looking for money for nothing.
Its a wonderful book however if you want a really comprehensive contemporary and relevant read - I commend the Bible as it incorporates the New Testament as it provides the background of The Law .
Natural rights are self evident. Before I had ever studied the founding fathers or the enlightenment, I already had the sense that I had a right to self defense when my older brother would try to rob and beat me. I had a sense of property rights and fair, informed, free trade. I had a sense that I came from somewhere beyond just my parents. All of this is innate, it is only stripped away by fear and force. When I finally read the founders I understood them on a personal level and spiritually I understood the importance of what they did for America and the world.
Hugry don't have a right to food. The wealthy have an obligation to feed the poor. Homeless don't have a right to home. Powerful and skillful have an obligation to build a home for them. That's a difference. There are no universal rights. There are universal duties, realised much earlier than Christianity, in pre-Christian Republican Rome and Greece, as religious duties of pagan temples. Unfortunately, these duties fell to disrepair and disuse and only Christianity tried to revive them consistently and with some success. Again, these duties were abandoned by the Church and picked up by socialist states, at a cost of enslaving citizenry.
Natural rights aren't entitlements. For example, freedom of speech can't be given but only taken. "Negative" rights vs. "positive" rights or entitlements, means of extortion, etc. It's the difference between the American war for independence and the French "Revolution" and everything that followed it, from Communism to Nazism and the hybrid corportism across the world today. Natural rights are inheritly "natural", from the "God of Nature" and not given or due to any government or anything else of man.
Duties and rights are two sides of the same coin. You can't tell someone they have duties without also implying that the ones they are duty-bound towards have rights. Otherwise, why should someone have a duty if no one has a right to their duty?
But you are right in that these duties are also found among other religions, though not as frequently as those in the west. I'm not sure how that has any bearing on what he's claiming though as he is exclusively concerned with the west besides the UN, which has in any case already abandoned its principles.
Just because things are created in the image of God doesn't give them "dignity". Evil is created in the image of God, but that doesn't give it dignity.
Holland is right to a point, but some things are self evident. This notion that there is no self evident rights is born out of the flesh rather than the spirit. I think everybody down deep in their mind logically knows that everybody is equal, and that there is more to life than what we see (Father Jehovah, Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit). But the heart is a liar as the Bible says, and when you let your emotions rule you then all logic and self-evident truth goes out the window. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all 😊
We have focused so much on the rights of the poor to have food, clothing, health and shelter that we have neglected to take care of the qualifier that Paul gave us to go with this ideal and that is "He who will not work should not eat.". This has lead our society down a path of always looking for money for nothing.
This made me think of Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl.
Its a wonderful book however if you want a really comprehensive contemporary and relevant read - I commend the Bible as it incorporates the New Testament as it provides the background of The Law .
Natural rights are self evident. Before I had ever studied the founding fathers or the enlightenment, I already had the sense that I had a right to self defense when my older brother would try to rob and beat me. I had a sense of property rights and fair, informed, free trade. I had a sense that I came from somewhere beyond just my parents. All of this is innate, it is only stripped away by fear and force. When I finally read the founders I understood them on a personal level and spiritually I understood the importance of what they did for America and the world.
Self evident? Unless you’re a Christian, not in the slightest. Apart from Christian assumptions, everything you just said here is BS.
Good choice of teaser for the full conversation....Appreciation and blessings .
Imminent in the original title must be a typo for immanent! ;)
"Imminent" or "immanent"? For Holland it's "immanent".
Thanks for pointing that out, the media team will work on it soon.
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JA media team
Thank you, I did not know that it was written immanent
Hugry don't have a right to food. The wealthy have an obligation to feed the poor. Homeless don't have a right to home. Powerful and skillful have an obligation to build a home for them. That's a difference. There are no universal rights. There are universal duties, realised much earlier than Christianity, in pre-Christian Republican Rome and Greece, as religious duties of pagan temples. Unfortunately, these duties fell to disrepair and disuse and only Christianity tried to revive them consistently and with some success. Again, these duties were abandoned by the Church and picked up by socialist states, at a cost of enslaving citizenry.
Natural rights aren't entitlements. For example, freedom of speech can't be given but only taken. "Negative" rights vs. "positive" rights or entitlements, means of extortion, etc. It's the difference between the American war for independence and the French "Revolution" and everything that followed it, from Communism to Nazism and the hybrid corportism across the world today. Natural rights are inheritly "natural", from the "God of Nature" and not given or due to any government or anything else of man.
Duties and rights are two sides of the same coin. You can't tell someone they have duties without also implying that the ones they are duty-bound towards have rights. Otherwise, why should someone have a duty if no one has a right to their duty?
But you are right in that these duties are also found among other religions, though not as frequently as those in the west. I'm not sure how that has any bearing on what he's claiming though as he is exclusively concerned with the west besides the UN, which has in any case already abandoned its principles.
No. Apart from Christian assumptions, “obligations” don’t exist.
Lol.
You mean they violated puritan liberalism.
Jesus was a Jew. Why would any Christian hurt a Jew?
Just because things are created in the image of God doesn't give them "dignity". Evil is created in the image of God, but that doesn't give it dignity.
Puff puff pass
Holland is right to a point, but some things are self evident. This notion that there is no self evident rights is born out of the flesh rather than the spirit. I think everybody down deep in their mind logically knows that everybody is equal, and that there is more to life than what we see (Father Jehovah, Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit). But the heart is a liar as the Bible says, and when you let your emotions rule you then all logic and self-evident truth goes out the window.
Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all 😊
No. Rights comes entirely from Christianity.