Ive had my Toro timemaster 3years. Rough and tough. Thick grass wet grass big yards. It's proven to be a good solid mower. Take care of it and use it in the right way and it will hang in there tough for you. Any one starting out. It's a good investment.No need to buy a commercial 30. This timemaster is just as good or even better.
I love my new Timemaster. Bought it a few months ago with electric start for $1199. Now, they are $1499. I looked at walk behinds from Skag, Ferris and Worldlawn. All nice and $$$. Timemaster works great for my mostly level .45 acre. My wish list for Toro is I'd just add front casters, a bigger gas tank and 1/4 increments on height adjustments. Edit 4/2024 I still love my Timemaster. Main issue has been cheap grass deflector on underside is now breaking apart as is the rear height adjustment is bent. I will have my dealer fix both at the end of the season. Otherwise it rocks! I do think that 12" rear soft rubber or pneumatic wide wheels and 10" front swivel soft rubber or pneumatic tires would help prevent ruts in lawns. Yes, I do alternate cutting direction each week.
There is a caster kit you can buy for the Timemaster but you will have to modify some hole for the bolts that comes with the kit. One tank should cut up to 15,000 square ft on the new Timemasters depending on the gas you use and terrain. I've heard lawncare complain about the gas tank on the Timemaster, however I ignore those complaints based on the fact the Timemaster is a designed for residential not commercial use. I get that lawncare businesses want to save money but let's be honest you don't like the price of the Turfmaster and your real like of the Timemaster is the personal pace system and it cuts good.
I have the Toro timemaster, and from day one I took the sponge inside the gas tank out and have never had a problem, and I'm now in my 6th season with it.
I have mine decked out as well. I have a kohler 224 cc engine, Turfmaster transmission swap, exmark commercial pullees, and upgarded metal gears for the wheels and its a beast. Also got new blades and its nice. I can walk all day and not get tired.
The sponge inside the gas tank is there to reduce or eliminate the possibility of vapor lock, and also to reduce the amount of gas sloshing around in the tank. In my experience, over an extended amount of time, that sponge will break down and clog your fuel filter, if you're using one, of clog up the carburetor.
I can't remember exactly except to say this: The volume of the sponge is significant to the total volume of that tiny tank. I actually measured it when I removed it.
I just want to throw out there, at least for 2023 models, per Toro's website, the weights of each are: TimeMaster (223cc): 144lbs, 150 with electric start. TurfMaster (Kawasaki & Kohler 200 engine): 173lbs. Not a HUGE difference, but maybe it's enough to be felt. I haven't used either.
I am a regular homeowner who might let the lawn grow a bit taller than normal, especialy in spring. This mower does not work. Bogs in mulch and in side discharge. This is lawn grass with spring dampness but not water wet.
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@Otto Deacon thanks so much for your reply. I found the site on google and Im trying it out atm. Seems to take quite some time so I will reply here later with my results.
The Turfmaster has 3 different engines available now and the newest engine is the same size as the Timemaster engine. One Kawasaki engine and 2 Kohler engines. I'm thinking the Timemaster for me will be good enough. Almost 1/2 the price of the turfmaster too.
Been debating on a commercial Toro of 21" vs the 30" turfmaster. The big things that I want the Turf over the Time, just for my 20K sqft, is the better transmission, larger gas tank, but most of all the HOC. Turfmaster can be raised to 5" and the Time goes to 4.25". I have TTTF and would love that 5" hoc when its super hot and I let my lawn get a little more wild. Keeps the soil cool, saves a lot on water and the grass stays green. Plus now the Timemaster has jumped in price, the Turf is still quite a bit, but the price difference is not as great. Thanks for the comparison.
@@tonyslawncare Thanks! I have a 21" Toro super recycler, but it's over 15 years old, and when the turf is nice and thick, it struggles and I'll have to slow down or do half passes. 30" defiantly sounds the way to go!
@@SinnerSince1962 and how much per every other mower has increased in price as well. I have already been saving 45+ minutes mowing. The Timemaster has been a beast compared to my old 21".
@@adambarlow81 My complaint has nothing to do with the mower’s capability or quality. It’s just sad to note how much it’s increased in price. It forces one to consider other options, possibly used. If I had to make this same purchase now, I’m not sure I would make the same decision given the price point. In fact I know I wouldn’t. I would have instead waited on someone to sell a commercial machine at a used price.
I've got the timemaster and after 3 years ive had to replace the v belt every 6 weeks. Great mower but very unreliable, would prefer a single belt system, I'm sure this mower could be made lighter nowadays what with plastics and aluminium. I wouldn't get another one. Once they go wrong that's it, you'll be carrying a box of tools and spare belts and a spare mower every time you go cut a lawn. The first 10 months from new its fantastic, after that forget it!
They do look like great mowers but I'm not a fan of the briggs motors. If it came with a honda, Kohler or Kawasaki motor then I would buy it in a heartbeat.
Make your timemaster better by removing that gas tank foam and cheap carb. Get a normal carb with adjustable throttle. I ultimately put 10.5hp on mine and its great
How's the cutting quality between the two? If you are mulching, do either of them leave a trail of grass? How is the power on hills? I've heard about the timemaster if you are on a steep hill it won't have enough power and you still have to push it.
Great comparison brother! I’ve always had my eye on one of those. I’m sure it’s like you said, once you go to a 30 you’ll probably never consider going back to a 21 inch again.
Have two timemasters 10 yards a week works great almost need two do have to work on them from time to time.Very easy to work on (belts pullies cables for trans )are pretty much the only problems I have had.
Nothing this dude did or said sounded like norm. Why are comparing a classic comedian with content you were looking for? It took 11 months for a norm fan that mows lawns to call you out. You! Are welcome.
I'm looking at either a timemaster, turfmaster, or Ferris FW15 to replace my 20 inch Honda, which I have literally beat into the ground. I really want the FW15, but I'm having a hard time justifying $3700 for a push mower. I guess I'll have to demo it and see if it's worth the extra scratch, but I'll probably end up with one of the Toro options. Man that Ferris looks nice, though.
I would probably get the Timemaster but the fuel tank is way too small for my 1 acre lawn. I would get a ride on but I have too many steep hills. I don't know if there are any other good wide blade options for push mowers with bigger fuel tanks. Cub Cadet is a beast but it sucks at cutting.
I don't bag my properties. My larger yards get side discharge from my big mower and the smaller ones get the time master mulching ( great mulching machine)
Tony new subscriber here. Great video and an even greater message brother. I enjoy working in my yard & garden, I tinker with my mower edger and string trimmer also. I am sure I am going to enjoy your channel. Thank you so much for taking time to make these videos.
The TimeMaster tank should be twice as big at least. With the foam you have to turn it off to fill up, splash. Overfill every time, no warning. Fix the tank Toro!
They changed the air filter design on the 2015 and newer Kawasaki FJ180V as well. They no longer have the foam at bottom, now it’s the rubber gasket at bottom just as yours.
thanks for the review , would i would really like to know if the parts were interchangable , so from your prespective if the deck is the same , what can be changed or interchanged would be the engine , blades , wheels , and maybe the gas tank
Very helpful. My landscaping operation has used 4 TimeMasters (all from FB marketplace or Craigslist). Cables have snapped, a rare belt has busted, I would DIY most of those issues. I prefer the conveniences that they have on the TimeMasters. The weight of the Turf master, that you mentioned, is a deterrent for me. We lift this up into the back of pickup, or push up steep ramps into pickup. They do get knocked around (annoys the heck out of me how crew treats machines) but I am not sure TurfMaster would be worth it to us. My competition uses them, all the bigger crews use them (alongside Stand On bigger units), until their clients call me bc of tearing up the lawn with heavy big wheeled mowers. So I feel like 2x the price is not worth it, especially to get a smaller catch bag. Thanks for the video, PRAISE THE LORD HE IS RISEN!
I just want to throw out there, at least for 2023 models, per Toro's website, the weights of each are: TimeMaster (223cc): 144lbs, 150 with electric start. TurfMaster (Kawasaki & Kohler 200 engine): 173lbs. Not a HUGE difference, but maybe it's enough to be felt.
Seems like everyone hates on smaller walk behinds. I only service high end lawns that don’t want a heavy machines spinning wheels. I’m hesitant buying a 30 or 32. Yet, I’m tired of the walks.
Good video that I missed prior to my Timemaster purchase that arrived last Friday.. Seems nice. A little out of my budget but with only one cut so far I'm liking it and no way I'd buy for the Turfmaster at full price for my needs at this time. All of my large fabricated deck commercial mowers are Kawasaki powered. Huge Kawi fan and I've run a lot of Kohler powered commercial machines that I'd call equals. The 223CC Briggs might be a winner? Bought a generic homeowner grade 22" trim mower in '90-91 with the first gen OHV Quantum Briggs that ran like a beast. Bought a cheesy Troybilt 21" 6.75 Torque in 2011 for my Mom. B&S OHV. 5 blades and merely 2 oil changes since 2011 mowing every 5-6 days in peak season. Still kickin' as I have literally tried to kill it for an upgrade. Front drive, plastic wheels (and bald plastic tires). Even with issues the Toro will be worthy of repair and the TB remains a functional spare. Briggs had some serious failure over the years but the OHV engines have worked very well for me. Fingers crossed. So far happy with the Toro splurge!
The Timemaster is a disposable mower when used for commercial use. I own both Turfmaster and Timemaster mowers. Over a period of time the Timemaster will begin to breakdown. It’s just not built to withstand the vigors of everyday use. Parts start breaking. Sure, it’s lighter and much easier to maneuver, but it’s only a short term convenience in the big picture. The Turfmaster has to be used with the same mindset as one would use with a bigger walk behind pistol grip mower. You can’t try and manhandle the Turfmaster like you would with the Timemaster.
Great video bud!!! Mad props to you for actually using the walk behinds9push mowers) for customers that have smaller gates. Not, many companies of your size would even invest the time to service customers like that. It was great to watch another video from you bud. Until the next one Dirty Jersey out!!!
We got the exmark version and it was a real game changer coming from a 21”. The blade engagement handle sucks on that early Toro. My 21” Toro has that handle and it’s not my favourite. The weight of the commercial is only felt when coming from a. Standstill. Keep it rolling and it’s a breeze.
Thanks Tony for the video review.. Been looking at purchasing something like these two. Did you see that Ferris has a new one that's similiar (the FW15)?? It looks a bit more expensive (I think $2700 - $3100 depending on version you select).. and a bit more heavy duty.. Early reviews look pretty good.. I am wondering what your thoughts are on the FW15 - and how it compares to the Timemaster and Turfmaster.
@@tonyslawncare Yea.. Your right.. 3K is a lot for a push mower.. But I think the Turfmaster is kinda expensive too. May hafta wait until one of these go on sale or discount.
I just got a timemaster a few weeks ago and the few times ive used it I love it, though im comparing it to an 18 inch husquvarna. However, there is a hill in my yard that is kinda steep and ive heard that briggs dont like hills, but I still have the old one for that part I guess.
I have hills too. Will I have to push it going up hills? I'm worried it won't have the power to go up the hills and that it will be too heavy to push. Going sideways isn't an option.
That sponge is in the tank because the vibration causes the engine to spit and sputter when the gas level gets low. I read that somewhere. As far as not knowing how much gas is in the tank....you should learn after while how long a tank full lasts.
Had the Timemaster. Biggest POS I’ve ever owned. Almost Everything on it broke, some things twice. It had no power, could barely climb even the smallest hills. I had to push it mostly. Two transmissions, two carbs, broken switches, pulleys, poor bag catching. Had to buy the baffles which helped but the blades were off and it didn’t cut evenly. One shop couldn’t fix it (gave up) so I went to another. Ended up giving it away. I would buy the Turfmaster in a heartbeat bc it’s commercial so it will climb hills and cut right. I will never buy a homeowner unit ever again. I’ll pay more and get better reliability. Turfmaster is lighter than other commercial units. Ferris and Scag make a good 30” but Scag is 240 lbs. Shops should let customers try out multiple mowers.
Bought mine Timemaster 30 today $1869 😡 it's got a very tiny surging issue after first pull but doesn't affect mowing when blades are engaged. I've seen many unboxings and non have that issue. Couldn't be the jet on the carburetor perhaps maybe the fresh 93 octane gas. No non ethanol around my area they are sold out and no fuel additives same boat. The gas station attendees assured me that the gas was 10% ethanol and not raised since dunderhead Biden increased the ethanol. I don't know what to do at this point and hoping it's a simple fix..
@@tonyslawncare I'm likely going down to the 89 octane, it may be the rich gas in this 100 degree weather that is making it run hotter then it should. I've ordered a case of fuel stabilizer. I did replace my pulleys with some commercial pulleys and ordered another air filter with a pre filter which didn't come with the mower. I will say this, it burns through the gas fairly quickly. I had to fill up twice after 35 min intervals, it could be the gas. I'm hoping the stabilizer and leaner gas will help run it cooler and not use up so much gas. I've heard people say the personal pace and transmission is slow but I don't know if it's because mine is a newer version or what because if I go full speed it literally takes me into a jogging speed. I have to go lightly to maintain a comfortable speed. When I checked the oil before filling it didn't show any oil on the dipstick and the book said 18 to 20 ozs so I put the full 18 ozs that came with the mower only to have to dump 2 ozs out because it overfilled. This leaves me to believe there was at least 2 ozs from factory already inside the engine which most companies do to protect seals and gaskets from drying out over long storage. I'm going to check the engine intake hose to make sure it's in there all the way because that will also cause engine surges. Anyhow thanks for getting back with me.
Hey Tony do you know if the Turfmaster/Exmark parts would work/fit on the Timemaster? I was thinking I could upgrade the parts as they wear out, like the pulleys for example. Thanks!
Only thing that stopped me from buying either of these is the steel deck. I would much prefer an aluminium deck. Here in ireland due to humidity and the soil type and the near constant rain, a steel deck might only last 5 years at most. I have a 1986 countax mower with an aluminium body, a 1990 mountfield with an aluminium body and a 2016 warrior (same deck as a DR sp22 and c&j 22 inch) with an aluminium body. None of them are showing signs of rotting in the decks. My 2009 steel deck mower already has a lot of rust holes, or should i say had. I kept the engine but had to scrap the pile of rust that was left
@@ayrplanes i wasnt able to get my hands on one of those unfortunately. None of the 5 shops i visited had em in stock at the time. Delighted with the warrior having said that
Geez in my area the yards in the front and back are probably the size of the right part of your yard....and that’s if you have a big yard. Must be nice to have so much space.
I've owned Timemaster for 18 months, transmission is out and being replaced under warranty. I love the mower, lives up to it's name. I'm shocked that the transmission is out this quickly though, btw, mine is residential use, not commercial. I mow 7 months per year, once per week. Fuel tank is fine for my size yard, but I can see how it would be small for many people. Turfmaster is too heavy, very much for commercial use.
It sucks that companies make everything to purposely break to keep digging in our pockets. Im still interested in a timemaster as I'm pretty handy with tools and can probably do my own work on them.
I like my Timemaster. I sold my 21 Toro Super Recycler to get it. Some places I do have small back gates but big backyards. I got tired of doing them with a 21 push mower. The 30" deck does make a difference. Time is money.
Also, turfmaster isn't hard to maneuver at all, they are similar when it comes to reversing and making turns, u less ur a bag of bones, the turfmaster is not a struggle to move
Good video. I had 3 now other time master. Just hate that if falls apart. I gave up. Wanted to finally try the turf maste. After going through them . Not sure anymore. Why can't toro just get it Wright. Big company wtf. Lol. Still like them.
I bought a Timemaster last June and used it through last year. The height adjustment lever broke in August. This spring have used it for one month and one of the pulleys went out and has to be repaired. Not sure how long that will take me to do. So, in less than one year of commercial use, one pullu shot and height adjustment lever. Not too impressed so far c
Have you checked out the Ferris 32 hydro walk behind? I’m thinking about purchasing it for next season if they get bagging system it cost $3k out the door.
The new hdx one has the kohler engine which is really strong but if you compare this older commercial kawasaki engine to the timemaster the timemaster is stronger!
I use my time master commercially and it has been a great machine. Once you change the belts the first time it’s easy. I didn’t find it to be difficult at all.
I just bought the turfmaster hdx. It cuts nice but it is extremely heavy. I'm having a hard time maneuvering it. At the end of my first yard with all those turns, I'm exhausted. What am I doing wrong?
One question Tony.. I have a strange client portfolio. That would be a polite way of saying that they are cheap bastards that don't care about the way their lawns look, they just want it cut every 3 weeks to a month and save some money. Of course that "I don't give a f... about my lawn" approach, has some obvious benefits beside the negatives. I don't have to put too much effort in those lawns. Quality of cut? Give me a break.. Grass clippings pilled up in visible clumps? Who gives the f.... Edging? WTF is the edging.... Well you catch my drift... The negative sides are those long periods between cutting the lawn. So for that reason I don't mulch, ever. I either bag or discharge and with the Honda's innovative "Versamow" system it allows you to mulch or bag the grass with a push of a single lever. But the beauty of it is that you have a choice of leaving that lever in, for example,1/3 of the bagging position, so you bag 1/3rd of the grass and the rest gets discharged.. Brilliant. But I digress.. How does the Timemaster tackle this tall, thick and wet grass? And of course I'm not asking how it mulches but how does it bag or discharge this kind of grass? Thank you in advance. Your answer would be much appreciated.
Im thinking about getting the timemaster and picking up 5 yards in my neighborhood. Do you think i will run into any problems. I now you said residential.
Paid $300 for my 30 inch timemaster from a dealer, was used by a local company. The rear height adjuster just wore out over the weekend, It's around $12 so I will not complain. I'm a smaller company, been using 21 inch past few years, and only do this part-time. My goal with the 30 inch was to reduce the amount of time I spend on smaller in town lawns, it's done this job exceptionally well for me. Reduced time on property = more properties done in same time = more money. Overall I say more positives with the timemaster than negatives. Edit: If all goes well I plan to purchase a 48 inch hydro walk behind next, worst case I'll settle for belt driven unit. Either way, if the Time master makes it though 2019, I will hands down purchase a brand new one. I have seen gently used ones sell around $500, I'd jump all over them if I get another chance this fall.
Thats awesome buddy txt me before you buy a 48 ive ran walk behinds my whole life and will more than likely buy another this year so i could help to steer you in the right direction with them 706 473 8432
New sub here. Like your video but totally dislike these mowers. I took a very hard look at both back when I was looking for a wider cut mower and both fell short especially with the transmission issues. I ended up with the Ferris FW-15 and I couldn't be happier. Honestly its like having a mower that combines both your Toros and adding hydro drive. I guess in the end though it comes right down to user preference.
@@tonyslawncare I hope you get the chance to try one out. You'll fall in love with it. There is little to no effort to move it around and at 300lbs that's really saying something. Stay safe out there bro.. ✌
Johnny Appleseed timaster has plastic the turf master has rubber tires, my local dealer said they aren’t interchangeable... they sure look like they are, if you try let me know please.
Can the time master be used daily putting a lot of hours on them for a few years? I have a new zero turn but want a good wide deck walk behind to use for bagging.
If anyone reads this comment, just know those are two worst mowers you can get. The begging is always good like any other new machine, but once u get passed 2 seasons or more they become useless . I suggest saving your hard earned money and just buy a stand on . I definitely missed out on a stand on if I would of just saved 2k more . Even my Troy built tractor is better then this junk. These mowers are only good for weekly service cuts , forget the cleanup yards you’re better off with a 21 Kawasaki engine cause it won’t stall
Ive had my Toro timemaster 3years. Rough and tough. Thick grass wet grass big yards. It's proven to be a good solid mower. Take care of it and use it in the right way and it will hang in there tough for you. Any one starting out. It's a good investment.No need to buy a commercial 30. This timemaster is just as good or even better.
I love both of them for sure
My Timemaster sucks in wet grass, so I'm surprised to see you endorse it for wet grass. Are you side discharging or mulching?
I love my new Timemaster. Bought it a few months ago with electric start for $1199. Now, they are $1499.
I looked at walk behinds from Skag, Ferris and Worldlawn. All nice and $$$.
Timemaster works great for my mostly level .45 acre. My wish list for Toro is I'd just add front casters, a bigger gas tank and 1/4 increments on height adjustments.
Edit 4/2024
I still love my Timemaster. Main issue has been cheap grass deflector on underside is now breaking apart as is the rear height adjustment is bent. I will have my dealer fix both at the end of the season.
Otherwise it rocks! I do think that 12" rear soft rubber or pneumatic wide wheels and 10" front swivel soft rubber or pneumatic tires would help prevent ruts in lawns. Yes, I do alternate cutting direction each week.
I agree with you on all that bro
There is a caster kit you can buy for the Timemaster but you will have to modify some hole for the bolts that comes with the kit. One tank should cut up to 15,000 square ft on the new Timemasters depending on the gas you use and terrain. I've heard lawncare complain about the gas tank on the Timemaster, however I ignore those complaints based on the fact the Timemaster is a designed for residential not commercial use. I get that lawncare businesses want to save money but let's be honest you don't like the price of the Turfmaster and your real like of the Timemaster is the personal pace system and it cuts good.
I’ve had my Turfmaster for 9 years and it is stronger than ever. Minimal maintenance and runs like a champ.
I have the Toro timemaster, and from day one I took the sponge inside the gas tank out and have never had a problem, and I'm now in my 6th season with it.
I have mine decked out as well.
I have a kohler 224 cc engine, Turfmaster transmission swap, exmark commercial pullees, and upgarded metal gears for the wheels and its a beast.
Also got new blades and its nice. I can walk all day and not get tired.
Thats awesome!
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Thank you!
The sponge inside the gas tank is there to reduce or eliminate the possibility of vapor lock, and also to reduce the amount of gas sloshing around in the tank. In my experience, over an extended amount of time, that sponge will break down and clog your fuel filter, if you're using one, of clog up the carburetor.
Good info thank you
I can't remember exactly except to say this: The volume of the sponge is significant to the total volume of that tiny tank. I actually measured it when I removed it.
I just want to throw out there, at least for 2023 models, per Toro's website, the weights of each are:
TimeMaster (223cc): 144lbs, 150 with electric start.
TurfMaster (Kawasaki & Kohler 200 engine): 173lbs.
Not a HUGE difference, but maybe it's enough to be felt. I haven't used either.
It feels like a huge difference when you use them...
I am a regular homeowner who might let the lawn grow a bit taller than normal, especialy in spring. This mower does not work. Bogs in mulch and in side discharge. This is lawn grass with spring dampness but not water wet.
I mow everything weekly nowadays if you haven't tryed that try it it makes the lawn look awesome!
Good to see fellow Christian
Thanks for watching buddy
Excellent video I’ve so been waiting on this review/comparison!
Im glad i could be of some help😎
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The Turfmaster has 3 different engines available now and the newest engine is the same size as the Timemaster engine. One Kawasaki engine and 2 Kohler engines. I'm thinking the Timemaster for me will be good enough. Almost 1/2 the price of the turfmaster too.
Thats true love mine
I’ve had a turfmaster for 3 years and I do like it. I just think it is considerably under powered. Thanks for the comparison
They have a new hdx with better motar on it too
Kohler CV 224 is an easy swap for $500. Will solve the power issue.
Been debating on a commercial Toro of 21" vs the 30" turfmaster. The big things that I want the Turf over the Time, just for my 20K sqft, is the better transmission, larger gas tank, but most of all the HOC. Turfmaster can be raised to 5" and the Time goes to 4.25". I have TTTF and would love that 5" hoc when its super hot and I let my lawn get a little more wild. Keeps the soil cool, saves a lot on water and the grass stays green. Plus now the Timemaster has jumped in price, the Turf is still quite a bit, but the price difference is not as great. Thanks for the comparison.
I say definitely get a 30" it saves a ton of walking vs the 21 i had a exmark commercial 21 but wont go back to one
@@tonyslawncare Thanks! I have a 21" Toro super recycler, but it's over 15 years old, and when the turf is nice and thick, it struggles and I'll have to slow down or do half passes. 30" defiantly sounds the way to go!
Timemaster has gone up from $1099 in 2020 to $1599 in 2023, a huge increase of 31.2%, or 10% a year.
@@SinnerSince1962 and how much per every other mower has increased in price as well. I have already been saving 45+ minutes mowing. The Timemaster has been a beast compared to my old 21".
@@adambarlow81 My complaint has nothing to do with the mower’s capability or quality. It’s just sad to note how much it’s increased in price. It forces one to consider other options, possibly used. If I had to make this same purchase now, I’m not sure I would make the same decision given the price point. In fact I know I wouldn’t. I would have instead waited on someone to sell a commercial machine at a used price.
I've got the timemaster and after 3 years ive had to replace the v belt every 6 weeks. Great mower but very unreliable, would prefer a single belt system,
I'm sure this mower could be made lighter nowadays what with plastics and aluminium.
I wouldn't get another one. Once they go wrong that's it, you'll be carrying a box of tools and spare belts and a spare mower every time you go cut a lawn. The first 10 months from new its fantastic, after that forget it!
Still love mine
They do look like great mowers but I'm not a fan of the briggs motors. If it came with a honda, Kohler or Kawasaki motor then I would buy it in a heartbeat.
I used to think same way but its still running great i use it daily
Not a fan of briggs? Why? they are great engines
Make your timemaster better by removing that gas tank foam and cheap carb. Get a normal carb with adjustable throttle. I ultimately put 10.5hp on mine and its great
Good info bro
Thanks I am looking forward to giving my dad a TimeMaster for his property!
It will be a timesaver for sure
This was a good review/comparison video. This whole time I thought the timemaster was commercial. Which is the one I'm saving to most likely buy.
Its worth the 1k for sure
Great walk through Tony very educational
Thank you buddy
Timemaster has been my gravy. Great video.
I know it has thats awesome
The Toro is great. But not cutting grass 8 hours a day 5 days a week. I really wish Honda would come out with a 30...
How's the cutting quality between the two? If you are mulching, do either of them leave a trail of grass? How is the power on hills? I've heard about the timemaster if you are on a steep hill it won't have enough power and you still have to push it.
They both cut great the commercial one probley does go up the hills alittle better now that i think about it
Awesome video and information sir. I'm going to get the residential model. Thanks again
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good video man! ive been thinking about getting a 30" to replace my 21i think ill go with the timemaster!
You won't regret it😎👍
My gas tank did not come with foam in it and I have never had a problem with it......
Thats awesome bro must be a thing with the newer ones
Great comparison brother! I’ve always had my eye on one of those. I’m sure it’s like you said, once you go to a 30 you’ll probably never consider going back to a 21 inch again.
im planing on buying a new kubota wgc 6-21 mower
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Thanks for the comparison. We are looking to pick up a timemaster in1-2 weeks.
You wont regret it
Have two timemasters 10 yards a week works great almost need two do have to work on them from time to time.Very easy to work on (belts pullies cables for trans )are pretty much the only problems I have had.
When did Norm MacDonald start a lawn care RUclips channel?
Whos norm Macdonald?
Nothing this dude did or said sounded like norm. Why are comparing a classic comedian with content you were looking for? It took 11 months for a norm fan that mows lawns to call you out. You! Are welcome.
I'm looking at either a timemaster, turfmaster, or Ferris FW15 to replace my 20 inch Honda, which I have literally beat into the ground. I really want the FW15, but I'm having a hard time justifying $3700 for a push mower. I guess I'll have to demo it and see if it's worth the extra scratch, but I'll probably end up with one of the Toro options. Man that Ferris looks nice, though.
I say buy a used timemaster fb marketplace has them all over it seems
@@tonyslawncare I actually ended up buying a new Timemaster two days ago, and I love it so far!
I have 2 timemasters and love them, only complaint is the gas tank, you think u can modify it to work with the turmasters tank?
Anything can be done....😎
That small tank is crazy? It’s the only issue from keeping me from buying one today.
i took the sponge out of mine bc i hated not being able to tell how much gas i have left
Maybe the 2021 model will fix the tank size?
I really enjoyed watching your rap hand gestures in front of the camera through the whole video. YO YO YO HOMEBOYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!
Lol thanks for watching buddy
I would probably get the Timemaster but the fuel tank is way too small for my 1 acre lawn. I would get a ride on but I have too many steep hills. I don't know if there are any other good wide blade options for push mowers with bigger fuel tanks. Cub Cadet is a beast but it sucks at cutting.
Have you checked out the scag one ?
@@tonyslawncare How well does the Scag cut?
I don't bag my properties. My larger yards get side discharge from my big mower and the smaller ones get the time master mulching ( great mulching machine)
I agree bro thanks for watching
Tony new subscriber here. Great video and an even greater message brother. I enjoy working in my yard & garden, I tinker with my mower edger and string trimmer also. I am sure I am going to enjoy your channel. Thank you so much for taking time to make these videos.
Bro that means alot to me thanks for watching and commenting!!!
The TimeMaster tank should be twice as big at least. With the foam you have to turn it off to fill up, splash. Overfill every time, no warning. Fix the tank Toro!
I agree but still like the mower
@@tonyslawncare I actually like it a lot also. Honda should make a competitor.
I got my time master for 400$ on market place, bought belts filter and front tires and it’s amazing
Thats awesome bro
Wow, 1,000 bucks for a 21 inch. I'm getting a 22 inch in 3 days for $404. Just starting out in Central Florida. Will be working 12 months a year...
Thats exciting bro !!! Keep me updated on how its going
The point my friend is which one cuts the lawn the cleaner and sharper.
They both cut the exact same 🙂👍
They changed the air filter design on the 2015 and newer Kawasaki FJ180V as well. They no longer have the foam at bottom, now it’s the rubber gasket at bottom just as yours.
Thats great buddy thanks for telling me
thanks for the review , would i would really like to know if the parts were interchangable , so from your prespective if the deck is the same , what can be changed or interchanged
would be the engine , blades , wheels , and maybe the gas tank
I think all that would bolt right on
I've cut 5-7 yards a week with my Timemaster. Hands down and dollar for dollar the better, more user friendly mower.
I agree still 5 years later
Very helpful. My landscaping operation has used 4 TimeMasters (all from FB marketplace or Craigslist). Cables have snapped, a rare belt has busted, I would DIY most of those issues. I prefer the conveniences that they have on the TimeMasters. The weight of the Turf master, that you mentioned, is a deterrent for me. We lift this up into the back of pickup, or push up steep ramps into pickup. They do get knocked around (annoys the heck out of me how crew treats machines) but I am not sure TurfMaster would be worth it to us. My competition uses them, all the bigger crews use them (alongside Stand On bigger units), until their clients call me bc of tearing up the lawn with heavy big wheeled mowers.
So I feel like 2x the price is not worth it, especially to get a smaller catch bag.
Thanks for the video, PRAISE THE LORD HE IS RISEN!
I think if you have workers the commercial one would benefit you in alot of ways ! Less plastic more metal
Thanks for this comment here man. I’m gonna take your words and go with it! Lol PRAISE THE LORD!
I just want to throw out there, at least for 2023 models, per Toro's website, the weights of each are:
TimeMaster (223cc): 144lbs, 150 with electric start.
TurfMaster (Kawasaki & Kohler 200 engine): 173lbs.
Not a HUGE difference, but maybe it's enough to be felt.
Seems like everyone hates on smaller walk behinds. I only service high end lawns that don’t want a heavy machines spinning wheels. I’m hesitant buying a 30 or 32. Yet, I’m tired of the walks.
30 inch mower helps alot on the walking. Ill never own a 21 again
Good video that I missed prior to my Timemaster purchase that arrived last Friday.. Seems nice. A little out of my budget but with only one cut so far I'm liking it and no way I'd buy for the Turfmaster at full price for my needs at this time. All of my large fabricated deck commercial mowers are Kawasaki powered. Huge Kawi fan and I've run a lot of Kohler powered commercial machines that I'd call equals. The 223CC Briggs might be a winner? Bought a generic homeowner grade 22" trim mower in '90-91 with the first gen OHV Quantum Briggs that ran like a beast. Bought a cheesy Troybilt 21" 6.75 Torque in 2011 for my Mom. B&S OHV. 5 blades and merely 2 oil changes since 2011 mowing every 5-6 days in peak season. Still kickin' as I have literally tried to kill it for an upgrade. Front drive, plastic wheels (and bald plastic tires). Even with issues the Toro will be worthy of repair and the TB remains a functional spare. Briggs had some serious failure over the years but the OHV engines have worked very well for me. Fingers crossed. So far happy with the Toro splurge!
I think you will love the timemaster
Thanks for the video. Where did you order that air filter for your Turfmaster
Ebay bro i believe its a stens
Great video, and Trump supporter .. MAGA
Thank you for watching buddy
The Timemaster is a disposable mower when used for commercial use. I own both Turfmaster and Timemaster mowers. Over a period of time the Timemaster will begin to breakdown. It’s just not built to withstand the vigors of everyday use. Parts start breaking. Sure, it’s lighter and much easier to maneuver, but it’s only a short term convenience in the big picture. The Turfmaster has to be used with the same mindset as one would use with a bigger walk behind pistol grip mower. You can’t try and manhandle the Turfmaster like you would with the Timemaster.
Thanks for watching buddy
Great video bud!!! Mad props to you for actually using the walk behinds9push mowers) for customers that have smaller gates. Not, many companies of your size would even invest the time to service customers like that. It was great to watch another video from you bud. Until the next one Dirty Jersey out!!!
Man thanks for taking time out of your day to watch
@@tonyslawncare You got it bud!!! Your videos always brighten up my day!!!! Hope all is well bud!!! Dirty Jersey out!!!
We got the exmark version and it was a real game changer coming from a 21”. The blade engagement handle sucks on that early Toro. My 21” Toro has that handle and it’s not my favourite. The weight of the commercial is only felt when coming from a. Standstill. Keep it rolling and it’s a breeze.
Great input thank you for watching buddy
I mow a couple of yards with drainage valleys and using the much heavier Turfmaster to navigate those would be brutal.
Thanks Tony for the video review.. Been looking at purchasing something like these two. Did you see that Ferris has a new one that's similiar (the FW15)?? It looks a bit more expensive (I think $2700 - $3100 depending on version you select).. and a bit more heavy duty.. Early reviews look pretty good.. I am wondering what your thoughts are on the FW15 - and how it compares to the Timemaster and Turfmaster.
I think the fw15 will be a great mower id hate to spend 3k on a push mower tho haha but yes it seems to be a great unit if you have the work for it!
@@tonyslawncare Yea.. Your right.. 3K is a lot for a push mower.. But I think the Turfmaster is kinda expensive too. May hafta wait until one of these go on sale or discount.
I just got a timemaster a few weeks ago and the few times ive used it I love it, though im comparing it to an 18 inch husquvarna. However, there is a hill in my yard that is kinda steep and ive heard that briggs dont like hills, but I still have the old one for that part I guess.
Just go sideways on the hill itll work
I have hills too. Will I have to push it going up hills? I'm worried it won't have the power to go up the hills and that it will be too heavy to push. Going sideways isn't an option.
That sponge is in the tank because the vibration causes the engine to spit and sputter when the gas level gets low. I read that somewhere.
As far as not knowing how much gas is in the tank....you should learn after while how long a tank full lasts.
I should learn lol
Or it’s to prevent debris getting into ur fuel
@@Bigchungus50019 Nope.
I ripped the sponge out after the first week and I’ve been using it commercially 2 years now. Never had a problem without the sponge being in there.
Had the Timemaster. Biggest POS I’ve ever owned. Almost Everything on it broke, some things twice. It had no power, could barely climb even the smallest hills. I had to push it mostly. Two transmissions, two carbs, broken switches, pulleys, poor bag catching. Had to buy the baffles which helped but the blades were off and it didn’t cut evenly. One shop couldn’t fix it (gave up) so I went to another. Ended up giving it away. I would buy the Turfmaster in a heartbeat bc it’s commercial so it will climb hills and cut right. I will never buy a homeowner unit ever again. I’ll pay more and get better reliability. Turfmaster is lighter than other commercial units. Ferris and Scag make a good 30” but Scag is 240 lbs. Shops should let customers try out multiple mowers.
Appreciate you taking time to watch
Bought mine Timemaster 30 today $1869 😡 it's got a very tiny surging issue after first pull but doesn't affect mowing when blades are engaged. I've seen many unboxings and non have that issue. Couldn't be the jet on the carburetor perhaps maybe the fresh 93 octane gas. No non ethanol around my area they are sold out and no fuel additives same boat. The gas station attendees assured me that the gas was 10% ethanol and not raised since dunderhead Biden increased the ethanol. I don't know what to do at this point and hoping it's a simple fix..
Mine may do same thing you probley dont need to worry about that
@@tonyslawncare I'm likely going down to the 89 octane, it may be the rich gas in this 100 degree weather that is making it run hotter then it should. I've ordered a case of fuel stabilizer. I did replace my pulleys with some commercial pulleys and ordered another air filter with a pre filter which didn't come with the mower. I will say this, it burns through the gas fairly quickly. I had to fill up twice after 35 min intervals, it could be the gas. I'm hoping the stabilizer and leaner gas will help run it cooler and not use up so much gas. I've heard people say the personal pace and transmission is slow but I don't know if it's because mine is a newer version or what because if I go full speed it literally takes me into a jogging speed. I have to go lightly to maintain a comfortable speed. When I checked the oil before filling it didn't show any oil on the dipstick and the book said 18 to 20 ozs so I put the full 18 ozs that came with the mower only to have to dump 2 ozs out because it overfilled. This leaves me to believe there was at least 2 ozs from factory already inside the engine which most companies do to protect seals and gaskets from drying out over long storage. I'm going to check the engine intake hose to make sure it's in there all the way because that will also cause engine surges. Anyhow thanks for getting back with me.
Hey Tony do you know if the Turfmaster/Exmark parts would work/fit on the Timemaster? I was thinking I could upgrade the parts as they wear out, like the pulleys for example. Thanks!
The pulleys are same so yes they fit no problem watch my video called "timemaster gos nuclear" i show replacing them in that video
@@tonyslawncare Thanks, will do!
Only thing that stopped me from buying either of these is the steel deck. I would much prefer an aluminium deck. Here in ireland due to humidity and the soil type and the near constant rain, a steel deck might only last 5 years at most. I have a 1986 countax mower with an aluminium body, a 1990 mountfield with an aluminium body and a 2016 warrior (same deck as a DR sp22 and c&j 22 inch) with an aluminium body. None of them are showing signs of rotting in the decks. My 2009 steel deck mower already has a lot of rust holes, or should i say had. I kept the engine but had to scrap the pile of rust that was left
Wow thats crazy bro
@@tonyslawncare yea its kinda crazy to think about. What difference a soil ph will make to the grass and the life of a mower deck
Toro does make a 21" aluminum deck mower. You can even get it with a Honda engine. Probably their best 21" mower.
@@ayrplanes great info!
@@ayrplanes i wasnt able to get my hands on one of those unfortunately. None of the 5 shops i visited had em in stock at the time. Delighted with the warrior having said that
Geez in my area the yards in the front and back are probably the size of the right part of your yard....and that’s if you have a big yard. Must be nice to have so much space.
Except i gotta mow it all lol
I've owned Timemaster for 18 months, transmission is out and being replaced under warranty. I love the mower, lives up to it's name. I'm shocked that the transmission is out this quickly though, btw, mine is residential use, not commercial. I mow 7 months per year, once per week. Fuel tank is fine for my size yard, but I can see how it would be small for many people. Turfmaster is too heavy, very much for commercial use.
Ran mine a bunch today (like everyday) good stuff
It sucks that companies make everything to purposely break to keep digging in our pockets. Im still interested in a timemaster as I'm pretty handy with tools and can probably do my own work on them.
I like my Timemaster. I sold my 21 Toro Super Recycler to get it. Some places I do have small back gates but big backyards. I got tired of doing them with a 21 push mower. The 30" deck does make a difference. Time is money.
I agree 100 percent
You can find clips to hold air cover.
Good to know thank you
If I understand, the commercial version has a 5 inch cut as opposed to the 4 in cut on the residential. Is that correct?
I feel like they both go super high
Also, turfmaster isn't hard to maneuver at all, they are similar when it comes to reversing and making turns, u less ur a bag of bones, the turfmaster is not a struggle to move
I agree
Good video. I had 3 now other time master. Just hate that if falls apart. I gave up. Wanted to finally try the turf maste. After going through them . Not sure anymore. Why can't toro just get it Wright. Big company wtf. Lol. Still like them.
I agree but theres nothing really that can replace them the ferris fw15 but its much heavier
The turfmaster at 2800 now. Freaking stupid how they raised the price a grand.
I know right
Trying to find out if the new Exmark Commercial 30 X Series and the Turfmaster HDX use the same MV702 transmission. Apparently it is top secret info.
Bro i have the new x series and yes they both have the updated transmission but be sure to watch my reviews on it ill reply again with the link
ruclips.net/video/MH2gVXq-WDU/видео.html
commercial mower is the best it has a larger gas tank and is more shock resistant.
This is true
I bought a Timemaster last June and used it through last year. The height adjustment lever broke in August. This spring have used it for one month and one of the pulleys went out and has to be repaired. Not sure how long that will take me to do. So, in less than one year of commercial use, one pullu shot and height adjustment lever. Not too impressed so far c
Ebay has cheap parts even when i work on mine im still cool with it cause they save so much time
TimeMaster is not a commercial product, that's what the Turfmaster is for.
@@jurgenblondia2084 this is true
Well you shouldn't have cheapened out and bought the commercial quality version.... You did it to yourself
999!!!! Timemaster costs 1500$ in Europe. Lucky bastards..
Hahahahaha
What? Europe has better foods and better, cleaner women.
I'd say paying $1500.00 for the Toro is a deal since Europe rules.
Have you checked out the Ferris 32 hydro walk behind? I’m thinking about purchasing it for next season if they get bagging system it cost $3k out the door.
I have seen it its wierd no bagger and 3k for a push mower is alot you could buy a small belt drive walk behind for that
Which one is the most powerful for cutting thick grass?
The new hdx one has the kohler engine which is really strong but if you compare this older commercial kawasaki engine to the timemaster the timemaster is stronger!
I've been looking at these mowers. I heard that changing the belts is a project, have you had to change belts on them yet?
Ive done it a couple times its not bad bro dont believe the haters these are great mowers! Save so much walking
I use my time master commercially and it has been a great machine. Once you change the belts the first time it’s easy. I didn’t find it to be difficult at all.
what's the difference in horsepower? maybe i didn't catch that part...
and is there a difference in cut quality?
Cut quality same and horsepower im not sure the new one feels alittle stronger i will say that
thanks, brother.
The oil filter one will last u longer I had a mower with oil filter and it last me 7 year cutting commercial .
Great machines for sure
I just bought the turfmaster hdx. It cuts nice but it is extremely heavy. I'm having a hard time maneuvering it. At the end of my first yard with all those turns, I'm exhausted. What am I doing wrong?
I will screenshot this comment and make a video about it soon stay tuned! Btw you bought a great mower!
The video about this is up
Great review brother
Thank you buddy great machines
One question Tony.. I have a strange client portfolio. That would be a polite way of saying that they are cheap bastards that don't care about the way their lawns look, they just want it cut every 3 weeks to a month and save some money. Of course that "I don't give a f... about my lawn" approach, has some obvious benefits beside the negatives. I don't have to put too much effort in those lawns. Quality of cut? Give me a break.. Grass clippings pilled up in visible clumps? Who gives the f.... Edging? WTF is the edging.... Well you catch my drift...
The negative sides are those long periods between cutting the lawn. So for that reason I don't mulch, ever. I either bag or discharge and with the Honda's innovative "Versamow" system it allows you to mulch or bag the grass with a push of a single lever. But the beauty of it is that you have a choice of leaving that lever in, for example,1/3 of the bagging position, so you bag 1/3rd of the grass and the rest gets discharged.. Brilliant.
But I digress.. How does the Timemaster tackle this tall, thick and wet grass? And of course I'm not asking how it mulches but how does it bag or discharge this kind of grass? Thank you in advance. Your answer would be much appreciated.
Bro the timemaster has done great in all the conditions i have thrown at it the biggest thing is that it saves walking !
Newb here.. will the timemaster bag work on the turfmaster?
Hey buddy i dont see why it wouldnt i appreciate you watching
Thanks. By the way.. I watched both ads(no skipping).
@@toddhewett1027 if you have any other questions let me know
Which one is better with steep hills? I have a large yard with steep hills.
I say if your only doing your lawn get the $1000 one its a great mower !
Im thinking about getting the timemaster and picking up 5 yards in my neighborhood. Do you think i will run into any problems. I now you said residential.
Keep it out of the rain it will last a long time
I do 15- 20 yards a month with mine for 2 seasons now and haven't had any major problems
Paid $300 for my 30 inch timemaster from a dealer, was used by a local company. The rear height adjuster just wore out over the weekend, It's around $12 so I will not complain. I'm a smaller company, been using 21 inch past few years, and only do this part-time. My goal with the 30 inch was to reduce the amount of time I spend on smaller in town lawns, it's done this job exceptionally well for me. Reduced time on property = more properties done in same time = more money. Overall I say more positives with the timemaster than negatives.
Edit: If all goes well I plan to purchase a 48 inch hydro walk behind next, worst case I'll settle for belt driven unit. Either way, if the Time master makes it though 2019, I will hands down purchase a brand new one. I have seen gently used ones sell around $500, I'd jump all over them if I get another chance this fall.
Thats awesome buddy txt me before you buy a 48 ive ran walk behinds my whole life and will more than likely buy another this year so i could help to steer you in the right direction with them 706 473 8432
Same deck Same pulleys same transmission turf master is too heavy the Timemaster moves smoothly
Timemaster is a great product
Thanks for the compression!
Thanks for watching
I dislike push mowers where you have to hold some lever down.
I agree
I wish it was the same price
Im with ya on that maybe facebook marketplace you can find one
what about speed? are they both 4.5 mph max ground speed? thanks
Ground speed is about the same yes 👍
New sub here. Like your video but totally dislike these mowers. I took a very hard look at both back when I was looking for a wider cut mower and both fell short especially with the transmission issues. I ended up with the Ferris FW-15 and I couldn't be happier. Honestly its like having a mower that combines both your Toros and adding hydro drive. I guess in the end though it comes right down to user preference.
Bro thanks for watching the fw15 is a beast of a mower id like to try one one day
@@tonyslawncare I hope you get the chance to try one out. You'll fall in love with it. There is little to no effort to move it around and at 300lbs that's really saying something. Stay safe out there bro.. ✌
TimeMaster $999
And $600 on repairs
Works great but I have too many problems with that lawnmower.
Parts are pretty cheap on ebay
600 in repairs!!😂 Wow! Your dealer is really sticking it to you.
@@fredc.c.2150 yeah that was for 3 times and at least $200 each time
And I been fixing little stuff by myself
Watch the channel keep it mowed he has alot of timemaster repair info he has 1k hours on his
@@tonyslawncare Thanks man
Could you try to put on the turf master tires on time cutter so I can verify if I can order the turf master tires
If you watch my later videos i got a x series a new one i no longer have the turfmaster
I bet they would fit tho
Thanks for posting. Good vid. The price difference is kind of ridiculous, eh
I agree thanks for watching
Nice work on the review Tony
Thank you my buddy
Thinking about getting the new one with the heavier transmission, any thoughts Thank You very much
I think the hdx would be awesome !!! Did you see my video at gie with the hdx?
@@tonyslawncare yes,i see they came out with a kohler engine now too
Oh nice mine has the fj180v which is not bad it does what i need it to
You coming to gie?
No, would love to,probably come home broke lol
I use the time master 30 for my company and ive had no hitches. I wouldnt pay nearly 2g for a push mower
I hear ya buddy thank you for watching 👍🙂
Are the wheels from the turfmaster compatible with the time master?
Johnny Appleseed timaster has plastic the turf master has rubber tires, my local dealer said they aren’t interchangeable... they sure look like they are, if you try let me know please.
I think they are
Eric Waltrip I will , from looking at them they look they look pretty damn close.
Personal pace is my favorite
Personal pace is awesome i agree
Thanks Tony👍
Your the man
Correction to this video... if you have a crew or employees get the timemaster.. your pockets will thank you later
You will have to repair them more tho
@@tonyslawncare True..I realize that every trip to the dealer.. nothing but a row timemasters lined up waiting for repair
@@j.johnson6548 but if you fix them yourself they are pretty easy to work on ive been repairing both of mine for years
Real good stuff Tony!!
Thank you buddy
I would buy the Turfmaster for one reason: the Kawasaki engine. Newer Briggs and Stratton engines are not reliable.
Both have still been really good
Can the time master be used daily putting a lot of hours on them for a few years? I have a new zero turn but want a good wide deck walk behind to use for bagging.
Its been a great mower. But yes a walk behind is a great machine aswell
If anyone reads this comment, just know those are two worst mowers you can get. The begging is always good like any other new machine, but once u get passed 2 seasons or more they become useless . I suggest saving your hard earned money and just buy a stand on . I definitely missed out on a stand on if I would of just saved 2k more . Even my Troy built tractor is better then this junk. These mowers are only good for weekly service cuts , forget the cleanup yards you’re better off with a 21 Kawasaki engine cause it won’t stall
I still really like these mowers !
You're comparing apples and oranges. Commercial vs non commercial. One is heavy duty and costs more, and the other is plain jane.
There are alot of similarities tho so i wanted to talk about them 🙂