Hi Shad, great stuff and glad you got the hang of it; like everything it takes a bit of getting used to, but you did a great job. The magazine spring set up could be made to swivel out of the way (good idea) and that would make a speed clip easy; that is why I think the loading could be much faster than either of us achieved. The draw length on my IL is about 30'5" and I would guess you usually draw to around 28 or 29" if you are a tall guy, so the extra weight you feel is probably exactly that. The great thing about the IL is that it is the 'gift that keeps giving' because you are having to address your thoughts all over again as the weights go up. It is quite simply an intriguing device. Anyway on to the distance tests! Bring it on.
Hey Tod! I have to say your medieval legolas is an incredible beast, it held up tremendously. You truly are a master craftsman. Yes you might be on to something about the draw length there and I totally agree that reload could be improved with practice and maybe even a tweak or two. Ha ha, awesome to see you excited for the distance tests, I am too, can't wait ^_^
Myb try making a clip for the arrows so you just put in a stack of 4 at once into the magazine? I hope I did a good job conveying my idea being a non native english speaker!
wouldn't it be possible to build the whole thing in a way that you can essentially push out the whole sliding part to the front or maybe the back (if you ditch the holding handle) so that you can "hotswap" in the entire sliding part fully loaded? that way on a defensive position use one could empty one sled, pull it off, grab a new one from a stack and continue shooting. this would require multiple sleds that fit each other, which would be difficult with medieval tools, but could it work from a theoretical point?
I love how your true Aussie comes out when you're horsing around with your brothers. The façade of professionalism drops for a moment, your accent gets thicker, and we get to see "fun Shad". I love that guy. We need to see more of him.
What are you talking about, he doesn't have an accent, he's Australian. It is really quite remarkable, everyone in the world has accents except for Australians.
Greetings from Finland. Yeah I hear that Brooklyn is one of the worst places in USA here. No hate, that's just news here. At least it would make sense if place of conflict is surrounded by castles. :D
@@justskip4595 I'm unsure if Brooklyn is the worst city here, I know many of our major cities in the US have a few issues. Like Detroit was pretty bad for a long time and a few others may have outshined it by now. I think Brooklyn is just viewed as a very hardy type of city in general, it may just be because of the accent though. I don't know what city is currently the top worst city anymore. XD Edit: Anchorage has the highest crime rate but St. Louis was named most deadliest.
@@whoahanant I thought I said one of the worst, not the worst. But yeah here in the north we get limited amounts of news and the name of that place keeps on popping up more than most others when it comes to negative news. I have no idea about the accent from there because I speak non european language as my first language so distinguishing the accents is like hearing a difference between letters w and v which I can not do.
What about castle defense with the Instant Legolas? Archer on the wall, shoot until empty, hand the bow off for an assistant (perfect use of a child or teen who doesn't have the strength to pull back the bow and is protected by the wall) to reload while being handed a full bow.
I feel like this clearly demonstrates the whole bow vs crossbow thing. A skilled archer can dominate a crossbowman in range and accuracy but it requires ages of training and practice, whereas any shlub in a gambeson can pick up a crossbow and be moderately effective. When fielding large numbers of poorly trained troops, the legolas would be the weapon of choice. For individual specialists, the bow would be preferable. Edit: And of course I commented before finishing the video because at 22:45 you say exactly this.
@sgt dornan you probably doing a big 4 volley and then reload. Which would overwhelm the traditional Archer and getting faster result. This is kinda cool honestly.
In England bow practice was a legal requirement so most men would be adequately trained. Early on, before Agincourt, steel armour was relatively rare compared with wrought iron. Once steel became widespread in use the bow became irrelevant and was replaced with guns. That said the battlefield at Agincourt greatly favoured the English with soft terrain that quickly became a morass mixed with previously shot arrows. Exhaustion seems to have been a major factor. The French had some crossbowmen who were completely outmached and forced to withdraw. The same area was fought over during WW1 and again favoured defense over attack.
@C. Caner Telimenli and? Maintenance isn't a hard job most of the time for decently skilled blacksmith. And you probably not gonna use this shit often with that much intensity, since war isn't constant. It's kinda like a repeating crossbow, which is actually pretty cool. Of course, a repeating crossbow is much harder to make, while this thing can be mass produced and being way cruder than those without fucking with the functions, since a fleching usually was made by duck feathers, not solid wood. It's just something that can probably be used in the middle ages IF people actually think about it.
@C. Caner Telimenli they did in fact give every peasant Archer a crossbow. Of course, highly trained Archer would use a big boy long war bow instead. But that's because a long bow has far greater combat potential than a crossbow. That said, this thing is probably having somewhat of the same performance cieling. So there's that.
I think Brookland instead of Brooklyn works. There is a Brooklands here in the UK. But no Brookland that I know of. But you need to plant a woodland and call it Shadwood Forest lol. Build a bandit camp for your Merrry Men. You can host renaissance fairs right by it.
Or if he simply planted a lot of trees in one corner of the property and let that be Shadwood Forest. Then, durring the festival, there can be actual bandit raids on the castles by the Merry Men from their camp.
@Bill Whittaker true. It would definitely be expensive technically speaking. That's why you would stagger them with typical bowmen. So one legolas archer then 2 bowmen, rinse and repeat. That would disperse the constant rain of fire to cover a wider area.
Props for putting the IL through the ringer with a (reasonably) unbiased mindset, showing its flaws and not only its advantages. Also really cool seeing your other brother, he seems like a swell guy!
@mxt mxt ....theres a Brookland in just about every state. At least 3 I'm sure. Nobody visits Brookland, USA unless they live there. The one everyone's heard of is Brooklyn. Basically, no one cares about any Brookland. In any state.
@@ReimervdHoek Well....you know you're right. Its a bourough but it was its own city in 1800. And its larger than most cities in the US. So it's practically a city. Certainly larger than Brookland....anywhere USA. But (sigh) yeaaaaah.
Here's an fun idea for the land name: Brook End. Two reasons: 1: Similar to Bag End, would give you an excuse to build your hobbit hole. 2: Bit of a play on Bookend, which is perfect since you're now an established author. :D
"I'm a programmer. It always works for me, but as soon as I give it to someone else..." Software Engineer here. I know exactly how that feels. Shad would make a good test engineer.
@Alexandre for the bolt to fall out? You realize the vast majority of crossbows have no bolt retention on the top right?... That's literally where you load the bolt so there can be no bolt retention.
It's also important to remember Shad that you are a rank amateur with a Legolas bow, while you have experience with a traditional one, so even as a barely trained rookie you are matching rate of fire with a more experienced bowman, and this is before we even start getting to more refined/later versions of the legolas with electable preloaded cartridges
Yeah thats exactly what i through, he is an experienced archer, but an inexperienced archer with a railbow (i just think it sound cooler than instant Legolas), i can imagine with training you can develop techniques to quick reload and quick fire that would allow you to destroy a regular archer Also another advantage of the railbow is that you can start with arrows in the chamber, shoot, recharge, shoot, i guess you can shoot faster than a regular archer if you account a preloaded railbow So basically Shad should practice with the railbow and see if he can become faster with practice
@@carso1500 I think I remember the dude from the slingshot channel saying he thought about adding magazines, but the added weight was a big turnoff. So I think a middle ground could be achieved if you went for something like a speedloader designed specifically for the IL. Something that can hold bolts (same as the magazine) still ready to reload easily, that doesn't weight a lot but is constructed only to stabilize the bolts as a group to quicken reload, and then, something that can be just tossed once the reload is finished. I think by using something of this sort you could achieve way, WAY faster reloads, something like 3-6s with practice. Although obviously the highest concern would be translating it to the old technology. In my imagination, this kind of stripper clip would have a relativey firm skeleton consisting of one wood upper piece, 4 pieces of wood protruding from the first one in a way that stops bolts from falling (but allows them to be pushed through in a sort of \ / shape, the friction helping keeping them inside the "clip") that have a small protrution each to prevent them from going inside the magazine and minimize fumbling, and then a third piece that extends along the way of the first one, right below it, with an angle slightly higher than 180º that is connected to both ends of the bold body, and that has a small protrution for a thumb (or maybe even more) used to push the arrows into the magazine. You would want to recover them later, so it wouldn't be very effective on the move, but it would increase the rate of fire from a defensive force dramatically, given their ability to reload safer, the chances of them having a better way to store them, and a virtually no obstacle to recover them.
@@miles3101 i think theres actually a design that uses something similar to this, it's a insta legolini 3d printed that had a speedloader and if i'm not mistaken it worked pretty well, of course the dificulty would see if it can be made with just wood and medieval technology
Shad Fact: Shad has a magical belt gifted to him by the Celestials for some help he gave them. They call it the Belt of Kuiper, and it grants him unlimited amounts of water, and any mineral he could want for forging weapons.
Reloading an instant legolas is a matter of training though. Same as with most firearms. A professional musketeer was able to reload far quicker than a novice. And even in modern militaries, there's a huge difference between just regular reloads and "tactical" reloads. If you spent some time practicing on realoding the instant legolas, I think you'd be able to squeeze more shots per minute out of it.
Well yes and no. You would get faster but in a combat situation, you have a lot of stress on you so there is a very good chance that the reload would be slower then what the person is capable of doing on the training field. (this also obv apply to the bow normally but there are ways to minimize this on a bow) You can not really compare it to reloading in modern-day as loading individual bullets is not really done on the battlefield if you can avoid it.
@@havtor007 No but reloading magazines is. Doing it quickly requires practice and a suitable chestrig. And once you've got it down, you exchange magazines lightning quick.
@@sevenproxies4255 You can not compare loading a magazine to loading arrows. the loading of arrows is closer to loading individual bullets. (the whole Instant legolas is the magazine) That is the problem i have with what you are saying here you think loading magazines need to be practised now try loading every single bullet by itself in a stressful situation without anything bad happening and slowing you down. A lot of bullets will fall to the ground not used as we can see when people started to use leveraction guns. And the ammunition is at a premium that is also something you need to know arrows are not cheap objects by themselves you do not want to waste it if you can avoid it. Please note i am saying closer to as both are not really the same.
@@havtor007 With this system you could theoretically develop a clip for fast reloading. There isn't a reason why one wouldn't work. It'd have to be custom made for it and a person could carry multiple stripper clips, like Shad mentions in the video. You could quickly and easily reload using clips quickly with training. It would be just like loading a magazine.
@@PiousSlayer Yes you can make a clip for it. That is 100% irrelevant for this though. That is NOT THE SAME THING as loading the instant legolas as how it is now that is also a technology development if created at that time. It is also bulk and mass added somewhere on the archer. Do people Really not understand that loading a Magazine into a rifle is not the same as loading the magazine in the first place? And even the loading of a magazine into the rifle requires practise to be done fast in stress-related situations. What is shown with this model of instant legolas before the thing is modified to take a stripper clip, you can make the loading faster in training but because of all the moving parts and fiddliness, it most likely will be Slower In REAL stress situations then what you can do on the training field. And you can not compare magazine into the weapon the same as putting the arrows into the instant legolas as that is closer to putting the bullets into the magazine in the first place. Remember that would require the people to not only invent and create the instant legolas but also invent the concept of a stripper clip and also invent it for this very specific application, is it possible yes but you could also make a magazine on a crossbow (as was invented) It is expensive hard to make require the invention of many different things just to make it work
Since the reload time seems to be the main issue limiting the SIL, I'm reminded of what people used to do with slow-reloading muskets and rifles: volley fire. You have rows of shooters -- you could do it with two rows, but you'd probably want three or more. The first row shoots off all of its ammunition, and then steps back. The next row steps forward and takes their place, while the row that just shot reloads. And you just keep cycling through the rows.
IIRC, the name "Brooklyn" comes from "broken land". So "Brookland" meaning "land of Brooks" would be etymologically different. Maybe something other than "land" at the end, like Brooksville or Brooksburg. How about Brooksburough? How about "Rookland" because of the castles.
Read up on the Siege of Plevna. You're idea of switching between single shot to repeating is exactly what the Ottomans did. You're relieving the late 19th & early 20th century of infantry arms through a medieval lens. You should try to get in touch with a WWI enthusiast. It would be great to have a video where you compare the Instant Legolas to early bolt actions. Every time you made a point I was going, "That's just like WWI!".
Its not bolt guns you're comparing, its magazine systems. literally the same when talking about single loading rifles and tube magazine rifles (whether lever action, pump action or bolt action). The huge difference was the advent of clips (Strip clips or en-bloc clips) which increased the over all rate of fire as you can load multiple rounds at once.
@@CapitanCarter Right, look at final battle in the movie Zulu where they showing what it was like to have to load one round at a time (even though sometimes the extras had anachronistic rifles that could take clips).
As somebody mentioned on Tod's channel, It seems like the SIL would be a great ambush weapon, a group of people hiding and dumping arrows in a target and leaving, like an Assassination or mugging, instead of a conventional weapon.
Perfect weapon for taking someone down who's running or riding away. If you miss you can keep shooting in quick succession. Also really good for mugging because you can threaten them with the bow drawn without tiring.
@@fatheragnostus you definitely have a reflex advantage over someone who hasn't drawn a weapon. You can pull the trigger faster than someone can flip out a dagger
I think they'd work well with mounted archers. If well trained they could engage quickly, fire about 80% of their arrows then quickly disengage and reload farther away from the enemy then repeat.
possibly also a force multiplier for if you ahve a relatively small number of archers. Set them up for a fire by rank style: front rank fires, takes a knee to reload, second rank fires, kneels to reload, third rank fires, starts to reload, first rank stands and fires again.
Regarding the name of the property: *I would call the first castle "Shadsburg".* Historically, every town with "..burg" at the end has its name from the respective castle. So, *if you call the castle "Shadsburg"* at some point *"Shadsburg" will also serve as the name for the whole property.* It would be a natural process and "historically accurate"... or at least plausible.
@@nunyabidniz2868 I dont know about this "Shadsburg" and couldnt find one by search engine. But I could find "Schadeburg" - literaly this would be Pityburg (or Pittsburgh? :p )
14:50 There are a couple of things to keep in mind with reloading. 1) Practice will make it a LOT faster (as will clips or magazines) 2) You can have a you boy load a second bow for you while you're shooting, allowing your reloads to be a few seconds instead. Spend one full day practising your reloading, and I'm sure you'll have it down to two very smooth motions including loading all four arrows at once. You already went form 13 seconds to 8 in the first 15 minutes of the video, and even without a clip or magazine, I would expect you to be able to get it down to four seconds. Your "compiled" time shows 7 seconds to fire four bolts. Add in the 4 seconds reload time, and that's 11 seconds total per "reload+empty". Start with 4 in the "chamber", so your reload spots would happen at 7 seconds, 18 seconds, 29, 40 and 51 for a total of 5 reloads+empty plus the original 4 bolts. Now you're up to 24 bolts per minute.
For calculating the fire rate, you have three possible measures: There's the burst-fire rate - based on how long it takes to fire through an entire clip, and not bother about reloading, which looks to be very roughly 30 per minute (assuming you can shoot through a clip of 4 in 8 seconds). There's the sustained-fire rate - based on how long it takes to fire and reload a full clip - around 14 per minute - which ignores questions of ammunition supply and fatigue. And then there's the one I can't think of a good term for - the fire-rate over a limited period (or with a limited ammunition supply) which is about 16 shots over a minute, but would drop the longer the time (or the more arrows) to closer to the sustained-fire rate as the advantage of starting loaded becomes less and less of a factor. In an actual engagement (ignoring fatigue and ammo supply) the first minute might see 16 shots fired, but subsequent minutes would average 14 shots each. So over 5 minutes you might fire 72 arrows while the experienced archer next to you without the IL fires 80 (or 90 at 18 per minute), but beyond that point, firstly, you have to ask about your ammo supply (100 arrows is already a lot to carry), and secondly fatigue becomes a factor pretty quickly too. Even getting to 5 minutes of sustained rapid fire is a testament to fitness.
Yeah, that's a good tactical perspective. There's a huge advantage in the IL if you're starting with it loaded as the first 5-8 shots are so much more rapid. From a prepared position, with box mags or even just spare IL's, you can maintain continuous fire with an assistant, even switching out for relief. Firing on the go is where this becomes the least effective, both in weight and in rate of fire in a prolonged engagement.
Well, Brooklyn was named Breuckelen before the Americans bought the New Netherlands. Breukelen is a town in the Netherlands. Not very original in itself.
I'm still of the mind this is an ambush weapon. 50 men with 5 shots each, in hiding. Enemy group comes by. Wait for the right moment, then all 50 unload all at once. That's 250 kill shots in under 10 seconds. Then either run or switch to melee weapons to charge in and finish them off. In hit-and-run skirmishes, that would be devistating. You could wipe out a third to a half of a particular unit in a matter of seconds, then disappear. The reload speed doesn't come into play, but you can now take on a much larger force and whittle them down dramatically.
A weapon that is heavier, bulkier, harder to conceal, and far more prone to jamming from getting dirt or plants stuck in it is not a weapon I'd like to bring to ambush. Especially considering that the weapon's main advantages come from making non-soldiers loose like decent soldiers, and the skilled veterans best suited to ambush parties are neither of those things. It's a very fun toy, but most of the clear advantages of the weapon are undone by the logistical difficulties inherent. It makes it more fun to play 'what if' games on the internet as a result, but the only scenarios I've seen here where it offers enough advantage to be worth the effort of making them are very niche.
Yep thats what I think too. Battles were fought for hours. No man has the muscle to shoot for hours with that kind of firing rate with the normal warbow draw weight from 120 pounds
When the video started, my first reaction was "Holy shit he's lost a lot of weight!" Glad to see you taking care of yourself in these times, Shad! Way to go, you look good!
What a fun video. The chemistry and clear fun being had is infectious and a joy to watch. It’s always wonderful seeing people loving what they’re doing.
They say when an instant legolas is fired, there's a huge booming laugh in the distance, and if you hold it up to your ear you can faintly hear "Let me show you it's features!"
Soldier: The enemies are about to storm the throneroom. Doors crack, bunch of soldiers runs through it, battle cries on their mouths Guy with instant legolas that showed up out of nowhere: Supresing FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIREEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
Idea for how the Legolas would be practical: - Use a Lighter bow - Increase the capacity (6-8 or more if possible) The intention being that you load it beforehand, unload a quick arrow storm, take cover/run away to reload. That makes it ideal for skirmishing, ambushes, countering charges, siege defense/offense (ladder rushes, etc). The lighter bow is to reduce weight and size, allow extra ammo capacity, and also allow less trained people to use it. Maybe even dragoon style formations? Ride to a good spot, dismount, arrow storm, re-mount, ride away.
another: not spending all arrows in a clip avoiding that tricky first arrow, and allowing you to go straight to loading them in all at once. Like in a gas operated gun where you have to spend time cycling the action manually if you spend all the bullets vs leaving one in the chamber. easier to keep track of than a handgun, just fut fut fut, reload 3, fut fut fut, reload 3, etc, he took like ~5 second to load that first one vs ~8 for the remaining 3.
Thing is, an ordinary bow would be lighter, if you're trying to save weight. And these demonstrations seem to show that you can let off an arrow storm with a regular bow just about as quickly
*Shad’s neighbour looks through hole in fence* *Sees instant Legolas and nearly chokes on drink* *drops to floor and starts crawling to the backdoor* *Wife looks at him confused* Neighbour: Get back inside and close the doors and windows, he has that thing again”.
I commented this point on Tod's video where Joe was shooting, but I posit that the 90 degree rotation of the hand is a large part of what makes the draw 'feel' heavier to someone who is used to having the hand in the same line as the string. Your brother and Jeorg help demonstrate this in that they are not training to draw the string normally, so the muscle memory is not working against them.
@@riesenfliegefly7139 Tja, wir leben halt quasi auf der anderen Seite der Welt. :D Dir ein Schönes (Bei der Hitze einigermaßen erträgliches) Wochenende.
3 Instances I think the instant Legolas would have great advantages: Ambush situations in which you try overpower an army or take out as many as possible and retreat. Shooting from behind cover on a Castle down at enemy archers or soldiers who try to bring siege weapons or ladders close to the walls. shooting on horseback. In some kind of hit and run maneuver.
Not sure how useful horseback would be. You get, at most, 6 shots, and reloading would be more difficult. So you either get one run at the target (which means you're probably moving fast, losing accuracy, and likely making you less effective, especially as any follow up charge is basically voided by the reload time) or you reserve your bolts, which means you don't need the rapid shot capability, which means you don't need the IL. That said, I could see an ambush situation working very well. I'd bet with some co-ordination and training you'd make a dozen men feel like many more.
@@a.s.239 On Horseback you would close in, fire your 4-6 shots, then fall back to reload. Your goal is to fire a bunch of shots in a very short period then fall back out of the enemy's range. IL is great for a quick burst fire like that.
There was a type of shield that crossbow men would carry that had stakes on the bottom so that they could stick it in the ground and take cover behind it as they reloaded. I expect Silbow men would do the same.
I could see it working for a few strongmen of the group to have helpers refilling multiple machines. A couple dozen of these big guys could defend a key location on the battlefield, like taking out cavalry that get too close, holding a bridge, standing in the middle of the road so the incoming army has to go through the mud to advance. Maybe even firing 2 or 3 smaller arrows with each shot at invaders trying to take a castle.
The crossbow was often referred to as a weapon of city and wall defence, due to its longer reload time and shorter range, but higher penetrating power. The SIL would be good as a tool to shoot a first salvo of arrows in a short time in huge numbers, but if you're a bowman or crossbowman on a battlefield, you're already in the wrong place when you have to shoot as many arrows as fast as possible, because that indicates that you're too close to the enemy and you're most likely not as heavily armoured and armed as them, and not as well trained and experienced in melee combat. I think the SIL would be good to accompany the crossboy in city and wall defence and to help weaker people shoot stronger bows, but its use on the open battlefield is uncertain.
Bowmen weren't out of place on the battlefield nor necessarily unfamiliar with melee. The outlier English doctrine was to use archers on the flanks to funnel enemies into the men-at-arms and then encircle as appropriate.
not all crossbows had a shorter range only lighter crossbows, medium-range crossbows had similar range and heavier crossbows had longer range [in terms of max range]. aditionally they had corresponding penetrating power, a crossbow with a similar range to a longbow will have a similar penetrating power. AND crossbows were easier to aim and thus had greater accurate shooting range (what is needed during a siege), which combined with being more compact and the ability to wait for someone to pop into your 'sights' is the reason all european armies used crossbows in sieges (that and children can reload them) they were not however just city and wall defense, they were used extensively in field battles, more extensively than longbows, and in many armies more extensively than any other type of non-noble soldiers.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 no crossbows did not have anywhere near equivalency in range to longbow with goatsfoot, stirrup, or cranaquin cocking mechanisms. Crechy showed even the famed Genoese double armed full crank crossbows handled by experienced troops had neither the range nor the RoF. They faired no better over the next 50 years of battles, it went so badly the French attempted to switch to longbows until the two states stopped fighting. Secondary issues withe crossbows involve their difficulty in dealing with inclement weather and greater maintenance logistics equating to about 12%.5 of the fighting force compared to a bow company. Crossbows simply have a lower entry level skill and training requirement, this doesn't equate to _better_ when in the hands of silled and trained users. Sure, in a SIEGE you can have bigger, less portable crossbows you didn't get in the field and inclemency can be mitigated, but children wouldn't be reloading them; those cranks take quite a lot of effort. The greater use in European battles didn't arise from it being a better weapon platform, it arose because very few battlefield archers were trained outside of the Kingdom of England and different doctrines were employed. The SIL only needs to match range with a Genoese crank crossbow, puncture soft armour and its secured it's place on the battlefield. It can even do those movie volleys. The results from the testing so far show the next round definitely needs to in comparison to crossbows as the metalworking skill needed is noticably lower.
Wouldn't replace the standard bow, there would probably be specialist units for ambush, skirmish and shock maneuvers when flanking perhaps or covering if your battle lines starting to get to thin. Seems like it would be more advantageous at critical moments, more medium to close range.
I was a little confused at first. "I'm gonna invite my brother" ah. Jazza!, oh? Not Jazza? Huh? Is that the guy who made it? No? Thats his other brother? What?!
Holy cow man, I've watched your videos periodically over the last few years, the last video I saw you were talking about getting surgery (or something like that) and coming back now you look freaking great man, you look so healthy and happy. Whatever it was must have worked out!! Great work!
Agreed 😂 but tbh I think that if shad has build his castles and rents it to a reanactment or life action roleplay community he can get alot of ppl on his land that live in midievel style and fights and so he can get money for his castles and have his shadiversian people under his banner and maybe give his brother the other castle and you would have 2 brothers to fight for 😂🏰🏰
Shad, I said something on Tod's video that might address your idea on "who and when" top use the IL. Instead of being used like a "normal" bow, how about trying to think of it like the matchlock rifles(Segoku Jidai reference to the way Oda Nobunaga used the rifles against the Takeda cavalry)? You place a row or archers firing these, when they empty it out, a new row of archers with the IL moves forward to shoot, the first row falls back to reload, the second row shoots til empty, fall back, a third row moves forward and so on. Until the first row is reloaded and can move forward again to shoot. I know this might sound overly complicated, but I was thinking on the point that Jeorg made about logistics and how to force the logistic side to suit the weapon. That way, you can have massive suppressive fire without the "need" to reload. Granted, if you have a clip of bolts it kills the idea but that would add another layer of complexity. Just my 2 cents.
If people started to do this, people would revert back to guerrilla tactics faster or you would see armour to defend against that when moving forward. Remember the reason why that tactic worked with muskets is that people were not generally using much armour anymore. So it would depend on when you are thinking about this and also where and what the people fighting it has access to of things. Remember armour and weapon is a package deal, not just one becomes important and the others fall to the side.
@@havtor007 well, that all depends on how well the IL can even penetrate armour. The reason armour fell out of use was specifically because the muskets were so much better than bows and crossbows at punching through armour and taking down horses. That actually may be something that Shad may want to test.
I would like Shad to revisit the god of war axe carrying hook, he should have done this with the carrying hook for the axe to be on a harness rather than a single strap, since the strap tends to shift the hook around his body, it would have been better if the hook was attached to a harness so it would be more secure and to the body. For the axe to be held more securely, it would have been better if the hook went a little up, like it has the ends of the hook bended up so it could allow for the axe wielded to jump without the axe having an easier time of falling out of the hook. I think a design such as that would have been more viable than what he had originally designed.
So many episodes on the Instant Legolas have been made by you, JoergSprave, and Tod's Workshop that perhaps someone ought to organize them all into a playlist in chronological order to help viewers keep track of where in time each of these videos were, along with how all the discussion about this "invention" has evolved over time.
As a kid I liked bows, and when I was playing I always shot on the right side without anyone telling me what side I should shoot on, it just felt more natural to child me
Shad, standing in line and releasing in rapid succession with the wind bellowing, one could swear you stood atop the hills facing down a horde of orcs or something! BTW, great second reload. Love your videos! I check in everyday for new content and you never disappoint. How cool would it have been if the Instant Legolas was actually used in medieval periods!!! Dunbrook Highbrook
I see the Instant Legolas being used in 3 general areas: 1) mounted archery to ride in and burst, then pull back and reload, 2) environments with cover (urban/buildings, fortifications, maybe forests, maybe with pavise kinda shields), 3) guerrilla warfare or in ambushes so you can use fewer people to burst large amounts of bolts/arrows. Also if this were being used in formations, you could easily divide the shooters up into 2 or 3 waves to keep part of the formation always firing. Alternatively, have 1 person reloading and 1 person shooting. Probably most of the strategies for crossbow or musket combat would likely be applicable to the IL. Honestly, training and slight modifications can probably bring the IL usage in line with normal longbow use for overall speed, but the thing that would worry me about something like this is the maintenance to keep them firing. You know a peasant/common soldier is likely to do something to damage the trigger or spring mechanisms and won't have the know how to do a field repair to keep it firing. Sure they can take off the IL to just use the bow, but if they are carrying special/shorter bolts meant for the IL, they might not have any normal arrows to fire.
Anti seige weapon. Imagine being upon the walls, you have the crenel's as cover and more than one "IL archer" especially as the attacking force attempts to breach or climb the walls, that burst or speed could be advantageous.
@@SpeargrassForge That basically falls under environments with cover, where you'd have something to duck behind between firings to reload. With pavise shields or similar, it could also work as a siege weapon to lay down suppressing fire as ladders, siege towers, battering ram or whatever else you are going to use to breach fortifications in an assault gets closer to said fortifications. Though that application depends on the fortifications being assaulted, as things like machicolations could negate the effectiveness of suppressing fire to a large degree.
The thing about reloading is any fool can do it. So in a siege you can have a skilled archer shooting and an arrow boy reloading. Or if someone thinks about how to make a clip easy to load. The real issue is fatigue. How many times can a skilled archer go through a clip of bolts before his arm gives out?
@@matthewjarocki6089 While fatigue would be an issue for long term combat, due to potential ammo consumption, I see the IL being mostly a burst weapon being used during critical periods of combat: initial strikes, covering fire as your troops do something that might be crucial to your victory (i.e. suppressing the enemy as they climb ladders) or similar. Also, if you replace the arrow boy with a soldier who is also trained to use the IL, you can potentially get more clips of bolts out of the duo: after X clips, they switch, or if the first guy reaches a certain fatigue level they switch. On the whole, I'd still be worried about the maintenance aspect, because you know that if they drop it at that one special angle onto the ground, they'll somehow manage to break the trigger or drop it into mud and somehow mess the spring or something up and will either be lacking parts or know-how to fix it, or won't realize they gotta knock the mud out of it for it to work.
I am liking this line of though. Think front line infantry with a little training. A row of IL at the front with the next few rows reloading, Mow down the charging troupes with a hail of short range fast fire. If the charge does not break just before contact the IL line moves to the back row as reinforcements or drops IL and raises a shield wall to take the hit.
My biggest criticism of the this device is that the draw handle is horizontal instead of vertical... If it were vertical, it would be much much closer to how an archer is used to drawing a bow in terms of hand position and muscles used
@@sethbettwieser maybe but I remember Todd saying that it changes entirely how to pull the bow back because you're using a totally different set of muscles
This video with your brother helping was fun, and having another person made the tests more informative I think. Especially because it let the legolas be tested by someone who wasn't as into archery and stuff as most of the people in these kinds of test videos we see. This could actually let us see him get better with practice, which might give some insight on how much practice would improve using the instant legolas with someone who maybe doesn't have bow training, and would use an instant legolas rather than a normal bow.
When you reload, can you take a knee and rest the bow, on it's side with loading port up, across your forward knee? Might help keep the set stable and less prone to move on you as you load. Also.....Brookshire.
Hi Shad, great stuff and glad you got the hang of it; like everything it takes a bit of getting used to, but you did a great job. The magazine spring set up could be made to swivel out of the way (good idea) and that would make a speed clip easy; that is why I think the loading could be much faster than either of us achieved.
The draw length on my IL is about 30'5" and I would guess you usually draw to around 28 or 29" if you are a tall guy, so the extra weight you feel is probably exactly that.
The great thing about the IL is that it is the 'gift that keeps giving' because you are having to address your thoughts all over again as the weights go up. It is quite simply an intriguing device. Anyway on to the distance tests! Bring it on.
Hey Tod! I have to say your medieval legolas is an incredible beast, it held up tremendously. You truly are a master craftsman. Yes you might be on to something about the draw length there and I totally agree that reload could be improved with practice and maybe even a tweak or two.
Ha ha, awesome to see you excited for the distance tests, I am too, can't wait ^_^
Myb try making a clip for the arrows so you just put in a stack of 4 at once into the magazine? I hope I did a good job conveying my idea being a non native english speaker!
I think that having shorter arrows/bolts would make realoading much easier.
wouldn't it be possible to build the whole thing in a way that you can essentially push out the whole sliding part to the front or maybe the back (if you ditch the holding handle) so that you can "hotswap" in the entire sliding part fully loaded? that way on a defensive position use one could empty one sled, pull it off, grab a new one from a stack and continue shooting.
this would require multiple sleds that fit each other, which would be difficult with medieval tools, but could it work from a theoretical point?
@@shadiversity also maybe try without the handle on the front, I feel it might increase the drawing time. You don't need it when speed shooting anyway
I love how your true Aussie comes out when you're horsing around with your brothers. The façade of professionalism drops for a moment, your accent gets thicker, and we get to see "fun Shad". I love that guy. We need to see more of him.
What are you talking about, he doesn't have an accent, he's Australian. It is really quite remarkable, everyone in the world has accents except for Australians.
Insane Troll everyone has accents including Australian’s you don’t hear it when you are Australian
@@ididathink5295 That's the joke
@@ididathink5295 Its almost as if a statment by someone named insane troll that is highly questionable might or might not be a joke/troll post
So, are you telling me you won't be skateboarding down your battlements while shooting arrows?
Obviously you can only do that on a shield not a skateboard :)
@@michaelhoy4249 Exactly!
@@michaelhoy4249 Shieldboarding then
@@TheThingInMySink Anthony Hawke approves.
What about running along elephants or barrels bouncing along in rapids?
"Ayyy, I'm WALKIN' here!" - a Brookland peasant
Greetings from Finland. Yeah I hear that Brooklyn is one of the worst places in USA here. No hate, that's just news here. At least it would make sense if place of conflict is surrounded by castles. :D
@@justskip4595 I'm unsure if Brooklyn is the worst city here, I know many of our major cities in the US have a few issues. Like Detroit was pretty bad for a long time and a few others may have outshined it by now.
I think Brooklyn is just viewed as a very hardy type of city in general, it may just be because of the accent though. I don't know what city is currently the top worst city anymore. XD
Edit: Anchorage has the highest crime rate but St. Louis was named most deadliest.
@@whoahanant detroit is still bad. I live like 30 minutes away from it
@@whoahanant Brooklyn is a burrow of NYC and NYC is one of the safest US cities per capita overall.
@@whoahanant I thought I said one of the worst, not the worst. But yeah here in the north we get limited amounts of news and the name of that place keeps on popping up more than most others when it comes to negative news. I have no idea about the accent from there because I speak non european language as my first language so distinguishing the accents is like hearing a difference between letters w and v which I can not do.
What about castle defense with the Instant Legolas? Archer on the wall, shoot until empty, hand the bow off for an assistant (perfect use of a child or teen who doesn't have the strength to pull back the bow and is protected by the wall) to reload while being handed a full bow.
sounds like the way they could do it with crossbows but faster
Exactly
Mounted crank operated dual fully automatic longbow turrets.
Shoot stripper clips and throw empty clip for reload by child assistant
This makes me fear human inventiveness, time to study time travel!
I feel like this clearly demonstrates the whole bow vs crossbow thing. A skilled archer can dominate a crossbowman in range and accuracy but it requires ages of training and practice, whereas any shlub in a gambeson can pick up a crossbow and be moderately effective.
When fielding large numbers of poorly trained troops, the legolas would be the weapon of choice. For individual specialists, the bow would be preferable.
Edit: And of course I commented before finishing the video because at 22:45 you say exactly this.
@sgt dornan you probably doing a big 4 volley and then reload. Which would overwhelm the traditional Archer and getting faster result.
This is kinda cool honestly.
@C. Caner Telimenli That's the job of the blacksmith, not the soldiers.
Also, they can make big boy crossbow, then they can made this
In England bow practice was a legal requirement so most men would be adequately trained. Early on, before Agincourt, steel armour was relatively rare compared with wrought iron. Once steel became widespread in use the bow became irrelevant and was replaced with guns.
That said the battlefield at Agincourt greatly favoured the English with soft terrain that quickly became a morass mixed with previously shot arrows. Exhaustion seems to have been a major factor. The French had some crossbowmen who were completely outmached and forced to withdraw.
The same area was fought over during WW1 and again favoured defense over attack.
@C. Caner Telimenli and?
Maintenance isn't a hard job most of the time for decently skilled blacksmith. And you probably not gonna use this shit often with that much intensity, since war isn't constant.
It's kinda like a repeating crossbow, which is actually pretty cool. Of course, a repeating crossbow is much harder to make, while this thing can be mass produced and being way cruder than those without fucking with the functions, since a fleching usually was made by duck feathers, not solid wood.
It's just something that can probably be used in the middle ages IF people actually think about it.
@C. Caner Telimenli they did in fact give every peasant Archer a crossbow.
Of course, highly trained Archer would use a big boy long war bow instead. But that's because a long bow has far greater combat potential than a crossbow.
That said, this thing is probably having somewhat of the same performance cieling. So there's that.
I think Brookland instead of Brooklyn works. There is a Brooklands here in the UK. But no Brookland that I know of.
But you need to plant a woodland and call it Shadwood Forest lol. Build a bandit camp for your Merrry Men. You can host renaissance fairs right by it.
Hmmmm... Now I'm curious what a "historically accurate" bandit camp would look like lol.
Shadwood forest is genius
@@tods_workshop I think it'd be cool. Lets just hope Shad agrees.
Nice work on the Medieval Instant Legolas btw.
With the audio quality I totally heard that as Brooklyn. I think, there would be some confusion regardless.
Or if he simply planted a lot of trees in one corner of the property and let that be Shadwood Forest. Then, durring the festival, there can be actual bandit raids on the castles by the Merry Men from their camp.
The instant legolas would be good if treated like a musket. Have a reloader behind the archer and have 2 legolas to swap for constant rate of fire
They did similar things with crossbows
That was exactly my thought. You can't exactly have someone else reload a traditional bow for you.
@@thak777 I'm fairly certain that with those asian rapid fire crossbows they had that.
One could also create magazines for this.
@Bill Whittaker true. It would definitely be expensive technically speaking. That's why you would stagger them with typical bowmen. So one legolas archer then 2 bowmen, rinse and repeat. That would disperse the constant rain of fire to cover a wider area.
yea, have a little boy reload the things and ez win
Shad's kids, trying to sound tough: "I grew up on the streets of Brookland"
eh
they should be well adversed in midevil combat of all kinds
@@djaydeved I'm really sorry to be that person, but *medieval
@@decafcoffee7492 I think the commenter was trying to make a joke based on OPs joke :) Bookland and midevil:P
I think his kids, all the neighbors kids too, would be proficient in most hand powered weapons. School fights? Maybe one sided thumpings.
Props for putting the IL through the ringer with a (reasonably) unbiased mindset, showing its flaws and not only its advantages.
Also really cool seeing your other brother, he seems like a swell guy!
Love Shad's face when he realizes he's named it Brooklyn.
I was looking for this comment.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@mxt mxt Well its spelled Brooklyn. Maybe there's a small town named Brookland but Brooklyn is the big one.
@mxt mxt ....theres a Brookland in just about every state. At least 3 I'm sure. Nobody visits Brookland, USA unless they live there. The one everyone's heard of is Brooklyn.
Basically, no one cares about any Brookland. In any state.
@@AresLeviathan But brooklyn is part of new york city right? Not a city itself
@@ReimervdHoek Well....you know you're right. Its a bourough but it was its own city in 1800. And its larger than most cities in the US. So it's practically a city. Certainly larger than Brookland....anywhere USA. But (sigh) yeaaaaah.
Here's an fun idea for the land name: Brook End.
Two reasons:
1: Similar to Bag End, would give you an excuse to build your hobbit hole.
2: Bit of a play on Bookend, which is perfect since you're now an established author. :D
Ay thats an idea. Lol nice
Brooks End sounds cool too though. "Shadsdreiburgen" or "Brooksdreiburgen" for a more Germanic touch perhaps?
Brooksvale could also be a contender.
Shadland.
@@mattrickard3716 Brooksvale is the little village by the lake.
"I'm a programmer. It always works for me, but as soon as I give it to someone else..."
Software Engineer here. I know exactly how that feels. Shad would make a good test engineer.
Medieval gangsters held their crossbow sideways, cause it's cool.
*bolt falls out*
@Alexandre for the bolt to fall out? You realize the vast majority of crossbows have no bolt retention on the top right?... That's literally where you load the bolt so there can be no bolt retention.
Manwitha Machinegun is this where a gal thinks about using bits of a car to help?
They be doin drive bys from there Horses.
No, they just invented crossbows
I have four brothers, that extra big smile you have when working with family, resonates deeply with me.
It's also important to remember Shad that you are a rank amateur with a Legolas bow, while you have experience with a traditional one, so even as a barely trained rookie you are matching rate of fire with a more experienced bowman, and this is before we even start getting to more refined/later versions of the legolas with electable preloaded cartridges
Yeah thats exactly what i through, he is an experienced archer, but an inexperienced archer with a railbow (i just think it sound cooler than instant Legolas), i can imagine with training you can develop techniques to quick reload and quick fire that would allow you to destroy a regular archer
Also another advantage of the railbow is that you can start with arrows in the chamber, shoot, recharge, shoot, i guess you can shoot faster than a regular archer if you account a preloaded railbow
So basically Shad should practice with the railbow and see if he can become faster with practice
@@carso1500 I think I remember the dude from the slingshot channel saying he thought about adding magazines, but the added weight was a big turnoff.
So I think a middle ground could be achieved if you went for something like a speedloader designed specifically for the IL. Something that can hold bolts (same as the magazine) still ready to reload easily, that doesn't weight a lot but is constructed only to stabilize the bolts as a group to quicken reload, and then, something that can be just tossed once the reload is finished.
I think by using something of this sort you could achieve way, WAY faster reloads, something like 3-6s with practice. Although obviously the highest concern would be translating it to the old technology.
In my imagination, this kind of stripper clip would have a relativey firm skeleton consisting of one wood upper piece, 4 pieces of wood protruding from the first one in a way that stops bolts from falling (but allows them to be pushed through in a sort of \ / shape, the friction helping keeping them inside the "clip") that have a small protrution each to prevent them from going inside the magazine and minimize fumbling, and then a third piece that extends along the way of the first one, right below it, with an angle slightly higher than 180º that is connected to both ends of the bold body, and that has a small protrution for a thumb (or maybe even more) used to push the arrows into the magazine.
You would want to recover them later, so it wouldn't be very effective on the move, but it would increase the rate of fire from a defensive force dramatically, given their ability to reload safer, the chances of them having a better way to store them, and a virtually no obstacle to recover them.
@@miles3101 i think theres actually a design that uses something similar to this, it's a insta legolini 3d printed that had a speedloader and if i'm not mistaken it worked pretty well, of course the dificulty would see if it can be made with just wood and medieval technology
I love the idea of one sibling living like a medieval period fellow, and the other is a coder. Parents must be mighty confused lmao
3rd brother is an artist
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@@rulerofthewild7747 thank you for your service
I am the ninety sixth
@@biggusy4249 it turned out I was subscribed to his brother Jazza I had no clue lmao
Shad Fact: Shad has a magical belt gifted to him by the Celestials for some help he gave them. They call it the Belt of Kuiper, and it grants him unlimited amounts of water, and any mineral he could want for forging weapons.
That's nice. The only thing I got from the Celestials was bird flu.
@@sgt.wolfenstein0818 :DD
That's fascinating, but what about dragons?
Seems legit
you named your channel shad facts just so you can leave these comments? you madman!!! haha
Reloading an instant legolas is a matter of training though.
Same as with most firearms. A professional musketeer was able to reload far quicker than a novice.
And even in modern militaries, there's a huge difference between just regular reloads and "tactical" reloads.
If you spent some time practicing on realoding the instant legolas, I think you'd be able to squeeze more shots per minute out of it.
Well yes and no. You would get faster but in a combat situation, you have a lot of stress on you so there is a very good chance that the reload would be slower then what the person is capable of doing on the training field. (this also obv apply to the bow normally but there are ways to minimize this on a bow)
You can not really compare it to reloading in modern-day as loading individual bullets is not really done on the battlefield if you can avoid it.
@@havtor007 No but reloading magazines is.
Doing it quickly requires practice and a suitable chestrig. And once you've got it down, you exchange magazines lightning quick.
@@sevenproxies4255 You can not compare loading a magazine to loading arrows. the loading of arrows is closer to loading individual bullets. (the whole Instant legolas is the magazine)
That is the problem i have with what you are saying here you think loading magazines need to be practised now try loading every single bullet by itself in a stressful situation without anything bad happening and slowing you down.
A lot of bullets will fall to the ground not used as we can see when people started to use leveraction guns. And the ammunition is at a premium that is also something you need to know arrows are not cheap objects by themselves you do not want to waste it if you can avoid it.
Please note i am saying closer to as both are not really the same.
@@havtor007
With this system you could theoretically develop a clip for fast reloading. There isn't a reason why one wouldn't work. It'd have to be custom made for it and a person could carry multiple stripper clips, like Shad mentions in the video.
You could quickly and easily reload using clips quickly with training. It would be just like loading a magazine.
@@PiousSlayer Yes you can make a clip for it. That is 100% irrelevant for this though.
That is NOT THE SAME THING as loading the instant legolas as how it is now that is also a technology development if created at that time. It is also bulk and mass added somewhere on the archer.
Do people Really not understand that loading a Magazine into a rifle is not the same as loading the magazine in the first place? And even the loading of a magazine into the rifle requires practise to be done fast in stress-related situations.
What is shown with this model of instant legolas before the thing is modified to take a stripper clip, you can make the loading faster in training but because of all the moving parts and fiddliness, it most likely will be Slower In REAL stress situations then what you can do on the training field.
And you can not compare magazine into the weapon the same as putting the arrows into the instant legolas as that is closer to putting the bullets into the magazine in the first place.
Remember that would require the people to not only invent and create the instant legolas but also invent the concept of a stripper clip and also invent it for this very specific application, is it possible yes but you could also make a magazine on a crossbow (as was invented)
It is expensive hard to make require the invention of many different things just to make it work
Since the reload time seems to be the main issue limiting the SIL, I'm reminded of what people used to do with slow-reloading muskets and rifles: volley fire.
You have rows of shooters -- you could do it with two rows, but you'd probably want three or more. The first row shoots off all of its ammunition, and then steps back. The next row steps forward and takes their place, while the row that just shot reloads. And you just keep cycling through the rows.
Agreed, the reload is almost as long as the firing phase, you would really only need two to three lines
Brooklyn, like the U.S city?
Shad: DAMNIT!!!!!
I DIED 😂
I still think he should keep the name as Brookland. Its got a great story behind it now. :)
It’s not even a city too lol
maybe Shad is actually from the medieval period, could explain why he forgot Brooklyn existed
IIRC, the name "Brooklyn" comes from "broken land". So "Brookland" meaning "land of Brooks" would be etymologically different.
Maybe something other than "land" at the end, like Brooksville or Brooksburg. How about Brooksburough?
How about "Rookland" because of the castles.
@@PhilBagels I was thinking brooksburough
Brotherly love
"dO yA LikE tHe SmeLl In TheRe?"
Wow cool glad. I made ya laugh. If I made you laugh that is.
Avengers: We are the biggest crossover in history
Shad, Jörg, and Tod: HOLD OUR DRINKING HORNS, YOU RAPSCALLIONS!
Now we just need Skall, Metatron, and Lindybeige to join the fray
And you know that nux will want to be in there at some point. Worlds will collide
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Nice
@@benjamindupaix6425 "I made history youtubers dub scenes from "historical" anime"
@@friedlemons5201 That would be awesome.
CHADiversity rocking that brigandine again
Read up on the Siege of Plevna. You're idea of switching between single shot to repeating is exactly what the Ottomans did. You're relieving the late 19th & early 20th century of infantry arms through a medieval lens. You should try to get in touch with a WWI enthusiast. It would be great to have a video where you compare the Instant Legolas to early bolt actions. Every time you made a point I was going, "That's just like WWI!".
Its not bolt guns you're comparing, its magazine systems. literally the same when talking about single loading rifles and tube magazine rifles (whether lever action, pump action or bolt action). The huge difference was the advent of clips (Strip clips or en-bloc clips) which increased the over all rate of fire as you can load multiple rounds at once.
@@CapitanCarter Right, look at final battle in the movie Zulu where they showing what it was like to have to load one round at a time (even though sometimes the extras had anachronistic rifles that could take clips).
Not that you looked old before, but you seem younger and more youthful now.
It's nice to see.
Yeah something about the full beard, and slightly differently styled hair really really makes him look younger.
EpIc gAmEr and the lost weight and cooler armor.
@@nroke1684 and on top of that he is a lot more energetic and doesn't get tired constantly which also makes him appear more youthfull.
Shad leveled up!
As somebody mentioned on Tod's channel, It seems like the SIL would be a great ambush weapon, a group of people hiding and dumping arrows in a target and leaving, like an Assassination or mugging, instead of a conventional weapon.
Perfect weapon for taking someone down who's running or riding away. If you miss you can keep shooting in quick succession.
Also really good for mugging because you can threaten them with the bow drawn without tiring.
@@fatheragnostus you definitely have a reflex advantage over someone who hasn't drawn a weapon. You can pull the trigger faster than someone can flip out a dagger
I think they'd work well with mounted archers. If well trained they could engage quickly, fire about 80% of their arrows then quickly disengage and reload farther away from the enemy then repeat.
possibly also a force multiplier for if you ahve a relatively small number of archers. Set them up for a fire by rank style: front rank fires, takes a knee to reload, second rank fires, kneels to reload, third rank fires, starts to reload, first rank stands and fires again.
@@233Deadman That would be the best I think, two rows would be too little, since reloading takes longer than firing.
Shad: "... It's my brother."
Me: "Oh crap, it's another family episode."
Was not disappointed. :-)
Not going to lie, I was expecting Jazza until he said not the one you're thinking of. Never heard of this brother until now
Regarding the name of the property:
*I would call the first castle "Shadsburg".*
Historically, every town with "..burg" at the end has its name from the respective castle.
So, *if you call the castle "Shadsburg"* at some point *"Shadsburg" will also serve as the name for the whole property.*
It would be a natural process and "historically accurate"... or at least plausible.
"Shadsburg" would be a hamlet in the Germanies. "Shadwick" would be a castle or fortified town in Jollye Aulde... ;-)
@@nunyabidniz2868
"Shadwick"... later on "Shadwick Castle" (for the first Castle)...
I like that :)
As I've worked for a while in Weybridge, by first thought was 'why's he named it after a racetrack?'
Brooksburg
@@nunyabidniz2868 I dont know about this "Shadsburg" and couldnt find one by search engine. But I could find "Schadeburg" - literaly this would be Pityburg (or Pittsburgh? :p )
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There are a couple of things to keep in mind with reloading. 1) Practice will make it a LOT faster (as will clips or magazines) 2) You can have a you boy load a second bow for you while you're shooting, allowing your reloads to be a few seconds instead.
Spend one full day practising your reloading, and I'm sure you'll have it down to two very smooth motions including loading all four arrows at once.
You already went form 13 seconds to 8 in the first 15 minutes of the video, and even without a clip or magazine, I would expect you to be able to get it down to four seconds. Your "compiled" time shows 7 seconds to fire four bolts. Add in the 4 seconds reload time, and that's 11 seconds total per "reload+empty".
Start with 4 in the "chamber", so your reload spots would happen at 7 seconds, 18 seconds, 29, 40 and 51 for a total of 5 reloads+empty plus the original 4 bolts. Now you're up to 24 bolts per minute.
Exactly!👍
Shad's proud sincerity killed me; " I shall call my enchanted land by a name that will fully embody its magnificence. I shall call it 'Brooklyn'." XD
It's official: Shad now owns Brooklyn! Don bless
May Joel never soil its glory.
@@ericv00 Fat Geralt stands guard. Will be the fight of the century.
I thought the shadlands😂
Nobles and their extravagant toys
-every medieval peasant ever
For calculating the fire rate, you have three possible measures:
There's the burst-fire rate - based on how long it takes to fire through an entire clip, and not bother about reloading, which looks to be very roughly 30 per minute (assuming you can shoot through a clip of 4 in 8 seconds).
There's the sustained-fire rate - based on how long it takes to fire and reload a full clip - around 14 per minute - which ignores questions of ammunition supply and fatigue.
And then there's the one I can't think of a good term for - the fire-rate over a limited period (or with a limited ammunition supply) which is about 16 shots over a minute, but would drop the longer the time (or the more arrows) to closer to the sustained-fire rate as the advantage of starting loaded becomes less and less of a factor.
In an actual engagement (ignoring fatigue and ammo supply) the first minute might see 16 shots fired, but subsequent minutes would average 14 shots each. So over 5 minutes you might fire 72 arrows while the experienced archer next to you without the IL fires 80 (or 90 at 18 per minute), but beyond that point, firstly, you have to ask about your ammo supply (100 arrows is already a lot to carry), and secondly fatigue becomes a factor pretty quickly too. Even getting to 5 minutes of sustained rapid fire is a testament to fitness.
Yeah, that's a good tactical perspective. There's a huge advantage in the IL if you're starting with it loaded as the first 5-8 shots are so much more rapid. From a prepared position, with box mags or even just spare IL's, you can maintain continuous fire with an assistant, even switching out for relief.
Firing on the go is where this becomes the least effective, both in weight and in rate of fire in a prolonged engagement.
Shad, you're adorable with your medieval passion. You get so focused you forget well known cities in our era.
the Brooklyn/Brookland thing just got me dead laughing my ass off.
The BrookRealm
Shad: "I've got a great original name for my land. Brooklyn!"
Every American: "ummm"
I live in Brooklyn. Let’s Go
New... Brooklyn?
It's Brookland! Completely different, I swear guys!
Not just Americans. I think most people in the world have heard of Brooklyn.
Well, Brooklyn was named Breuckelen before the Americans bought the New Netherlands. Breukelen is a town in the Netherlands. Not very original in itself.
I'm still of the mind this is an ambush weapon. 50 men with 5 shots each, in hiding. Enemy group comes by. Wait for the right moment, then all 50 unload all at once. That's 250 kill shots in under 10 seconds. Then either run or switch to melee weapons to charge in and finish them off.
In hit-and-run skirmishes, that would be devistating. You could wipe out a third to a half of a particular unit in a matter of seconds, then disappear. The reload speed doesn't come into play, but you can now take on a much larger force and whittle them down dramatically.
Stripper clips of arrows like bolt actions could dramatically increase reload rate, but that idea is very good
orckish mischief!
Also when shooting at a charging enemy, the rate of fire really matters.
A weapon that is heavier, bulkier, harder to conceal, and far more prone to jamming from getting dirt or plants stuck in it is not a weapon I'd like to bring to ambush. Especially considering that the weapon's main advantages come from making non-soldiers loose like decent soldiers, and the skilled veterans best suited to ambush parties are neither of those things.
It's a very fun toy, but most of the clear advantages of the weapon are undone by the logistical difficulties inherent. It makes it more fun to play 'what if' games on the internet as a result, but the only scenarios I've seen here where it offers enough advantage to be worth the effort of making them are very niche.
Yep thats what I think too. Battles were fought for hours. No man has the muscle to shoot for hours with that kind of firing rate with the normal warbow draw weight from 120 pounds
When the video started, my first reaction was "Holy shit he's lost a lot of weight!" Glad to see you taking care of yourself in these times, Shad! Way to go, you look good!
Is nobody going to congratulate shad on being so close to 1 million subs. Way to go shad👍
What a fun video. The chemistry and clear fun being had is infectious and a joy to watch. It’s always wonderful seeing people loving what they’re doing.
I love the hilarious rapport that shad has with his brother. It's so typical for a good family to have such a good relationship even later in life.
They say when an instant legolas is fired, there's a huge booming laugh in the distance, and if you hold it up to your ear you can faintly hear "Let me show you it's features!"
Asha looks like hes trying to rock the latest hipster fashion. Lumberjack shirts? so passe, this season its gambeson
You know, it's so wonderful to see siblings get along like these two. I'm glad you and your siblings aren't at one another's throats Shad☺️☺️☺️
Love your energy Shad. You are a different man then you were what 8 months ago pre surgery. Keep it up mate
Shad I just want to let you know you’re enthusiasm and joy are so infectious, your videos just brighten up my day to no end 💕
Loved seeing shad really enjoying himself with his brother really made me smile and I laughed my head of at ‘brookland’ 🤣
Soldier: The enemies are about to storm the throneroom.
Doors crack, bunch of soldiers runs through it, battle cries on their mouths
Guy with instant legolas that showed up out of nowhere:
Supresing FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIREEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
Idea for how the Legolas would be practical:
- Use a Lighter bow
- Increase the capacity (6-8 or more if possible)
The intention being that you load it beforehand, unload a quick arrow storm, take cover/run away to reload. That makes it ideal for skirmishing, ambushes, countering charges, siege defense/offense (ladder rushes, etc). The lighter bow is to reduce weight and size, allow extra ammo capacity, and also allow less trained people to use it. Maybe even dragoon style formations? Ride to a good spot, dismount, arrow storm, re-mount, ride away.
From the sounds of the video you'd probably wanna do something about the bolts too. Lighten those up a bit too if you're going for a lighter bow.
another: not spending all arrows in a clip avoiding that tricky first arrow, and allowing you to go straight to loading them in all at once. Like in a gas operated gun where you have to spend time cycling the action manually if you spend all the bullets vs leaving one in the chamber. easier to keep track of than a handgun, just fut fut fut, reload 3, fut fut fut, reload 3, etc, he took like ~5 second to load that first one vs ~8 for the remaining 3.
Thing is, an ordinary bow would be lighter, if you're trying to save weight. And these demonstrations seem to show that you can let off an arrow storm with a regular bow just about as quickly
*Shad’s neighbour looks through hole in fence*
*Sees instant Legolas and nearly chokes on drink*
*drops to floor and starts crawling to the backdoor*
*Wife looks at him confused*
Neighbour: Get back inside and close the doors and windows, he has that thing again”.
@nickyiil This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!!
"what makes you so special?"
Captain America: "nothing, I'm just a kid from brooklyn."
impossible ... he's too white
How about dropping the B and naming it Rooklyn/Rookland? (The rook is chess' "castle", after all.) 🤣
You might be joking but thats actually good
@@PeakeyTheBard At least half joking, but it *could* work, depending on how serious or punny name Shad wants. 😉
That's actually what I thought he said on first hearing. xD
@@Interceptor I literally was thinking that lol
I thought thats what he called it initially, thats what it sounded like haha.
The moment when he realizes... “You mean like New York?”
What about Shadlund?
I commented this point on Tod's video where Joe was shooting, but I posit that the 90 degree rotation of the hand is a large part of what makes the draw 'feel' heavier to someone who is used to having the hand in the same line as the string. Your brother and Jeorg help demonstrate this in that they are not training to draw the string normally, so the muscle memory is not working against them.
I don't need sleep, I need answers
So late over there ? I had the video released at 3pm
@@riesenfliegefly7139 it's around 7 in the morning, haven't slept yet
@@eeeeee3972 oof
I don't need sleep, I need sleep.
@@riesenfliegefly7139 Tja, wir leben halt quasi auf der anderen Seite der Welt. :D Dir ein Schönes (Bei der Hitze einigermaßen erträgliches) Wochenende.
3 Instances I think the instant Legolas would have great advantages:
Ambush situations in which you try overpower an army or take out as many as possible and retreat.
Shooting from behind cover on a Castle down at enemy archers or soldiers who try to bring siege weapons or ladders close to the walls.
shooting on horseback. In some kind of hit and run maneuver.
Fire cover: Laying down firepower to harass enemy lines to soften them up, to counter the reload, put a countermarch rank of 3 or more archers
Not sure how useful horseback would be. You get, at most, 6 shots, and reloading would be more difficult. So you either get one run at the target (which means you're probably moving fast, losing accuracy, and likely making you less effective, especially as any follow up charge is basically voided by the reload time) or you reserve your bolts, which means you don't need the rapid shot capability, which means you don't need the IL.
That said, I could see an ambush situation working very well. I'd bet with some co-ordination and training you'd make a dozen men feel like many more.
@@a.s.239 On Horseback you would close in, fire your 4-6 shots, then fall back to reload. Your goal is to fire a bunch of shots in a very short period then fall back out of the enemy's range. IL is great for a quick burst fire like that.
There was a type of shield that crossbow men would carry that had stakes on the bottom so that they could stick it in the ground and take cover behind it as they reloaded. I expect Silbow men would do the same.
@@Nibleswick A pavise. It would be very useful for IL bowmen.
Not been this early before...;
I guess you could say the notification was INSTANT...
I could see it working for a few strongmen of the group to have helpers refilling multiple machines. A couple dozen of these big guys could defend a key location on the battlefield, like taking out cavalry that get too close, holding a bridge, standing in the middle of the road so the incoming army has to go through the mud to advance. Maybe even firing 2 or 3 smaller arrows with each shot at invaders trying to take a castle.
I freaking love shad, that Brookland but was my favorite thing I’ve seen all week. XD
You could hunt dozens of plates of spaghetti bolognese with that thing...
Lol
But what if I wanted shepards pie?
josh327
Easy. You lure a shepherd in with ewe, kill him, and make the pie.
Lorenzo Panza It is a joke from a podcast Shad has been on called EFAP.
Shad just keep breaking stuffs that he got sent over. I guess it's kinda indeed a genuine foolproof test 😂 lol
"this is the stress test phase"
*Laughs in forged in fire*
The crossbow was often referred to as a weapon of city and wall defence, due to its longer reload time and shorter range, but higher penetrating power. The SIL would be good as a tool to shoot a first salvo of arrows in a short time in huge numbers, but if you're a bowman or crossbowman on a battlefield, you're already in the wrong place when you have to shoot as many arrows as fast as possible, because that indicates that you're too close to the enemy and you're most likely not as heavily armoured and armed as them, and not as well trained and experienced in melee combat. I think the SIL would be good to accompany the crossboy in city and wall defence and to help weaker people shoot stronger bows, but its use on the open battlefield is uncertain.
Bowmen weren't out of place on the battlefield nor necessarily unfamiliar with melee. The outlier English doctrine was to use archers on the flanks to funnel enemies into the men-at-arms and then encircle as appropriate.
not all crossbows had a shorter range only lighter crossbows, medium-range crossbows had similar range and heavier crossbows had longer range [in terms of max range].
aditionally they had corresponding penetrating power, a crossbow with a similar range to a longbow will have a similar penetrating power.
AND crossbows were easier to aim and thus had greater accurate shooting range (what is needed during a siege), which combined with being more compact and the ability to wait for someone to pop into your 'sights' is the reason all european armies used crossbows in sieges (that and children can reload them)
they were not however just city and wall defense, they were used extensively in field battles, more extensively than longbows, and in many armies more extensively than any other type of non-noble soldiers.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 no crossbows did not have anywhere near equivalency in range to longbow with goatsfoot, stirrup, or cranaquin cocking mechanisms. Crechy showed even the famed Genoese double armed full crank crossbows handled by experienced troops had neither the range nor the RoF. They faired no better over the next 50 years of battles, it went so badly the French attempted to switch to longbows until the two states stopped fighting. Secondary issues withe crossbows involve their difficulty in dealing with inclement weather and greater maintenance logistics equating to about 12%.5 of the fighting force compared to a bow company. Crossbows simply have a lower entry level skill and training requirement, this doesn't equate to _better_ when in the hands of silled and trained users. Sure, in a SIEGE you can have bigger, less portable crossbows you didn't get in the field and inclemency can be mitigated, but children wouldn't be reloading them; those cranks take quite a lot of effort. The greater use in European battles didn't arise from it being a better weapon platform, it arose because very few battlefield archers were trained outside of the Kingdom of England and different doctrines were employed. The SIL only needs to match range with a Genoese crank crossbow, puncture soft armour and its secured it's place on the battlefield. It can even do those movie volleys. The results from the testing so far show the next round definitely needs to in comparison to crossbows as the metalworking skill needed is noticably lower.
Completely unrelated but you're looking slimmer Shad! Running Brooklyn has been doing you well
I just love how proud shad was in naming his land Brooklyn only to find out about Brooklyn in New York City.
Brookland lol. That was a gold moment when you realised it sounds so close to Brooklyn :D
Is it only me or does shad look slimmer and even more energetic now?? I'm glad to see that he's doing good 👍🏽
It's not just you. I noticed it right away.
We need more content as this on RUclips... good fun with no politics involved...
Wouldn't replace the standard bow, there would probably be specialist units for ambush, skirmish and shock maneuvers when flanking perhaps or covering if your battle lines starting to get to thin. Seems like it would be more advantageous at critical moments, more medium to close range.
Ah, yes, the instant Legolas. Truly the pinnacle of medieval technology.
That moment when legolas gets his hands on an instant legolas. "Im super legolas."
Legolas^2
Okay but what about Legolas firing an instant legolas that fires an instant legolas?
To go even further beyond.
@@Doomcharger ascendant legolas
I was a little confused at first.
"I'm gonna invite my brother" ah. Jazza!, oh? Not Jazza? Huh? Is that the guy who made it? No? Thats his other brother? What?!
Same
Holy cow man, I've watched your videos periodically over the last few years, the last video I saw you were talking about getting surgery (or something like that) and coming back now you look freaking great man, you look so healthy and happy. Whatever it was must have worked out!! Great work!
"We shall use my larger scales"
Sorry, had a giggle when you were talking about the scales. Love the video series!
U cant fool me I know your just holding a crossbow sideways
Annual Leopard Holy Shit lmao
That’s how they hold ’em in Brooklyn!
@@samulisiirala Gangsta style. Yo!
First he showed the land... Now he shows the range weapon... He's going to siege castles!! I knew it XD
I am still waiting for the dragon slaying.
Agreed 😂 but tbh I think that if shad has build his castles and rents it to a reanactment or life action roleplay community he can get alot of ppl on his land that live in midievel style and fights and so he can get money for his castles and have his shadiversian people under his banner and maybe give his brother the other castle and you would have 2 brothers to fight for 😂🏰🏰
Was that ever a question?
@@MrKOLCOO Ah yes, the age old question. "But what about Dragons?!"
@@josephburchanowski4636 Jarl Shad, there was dragon spotted near Brooklyn...
Shad, I said something on Tod's video that might address your idea on "who and when" top use the IL. Instead of being used like a "normal" bow, how about trying to think of it like the matchlock rifles(Segoku Jidai reference to the way Oda Nobunaga used the rifles against the Takeda cavalry)? You place a row or archers firing these, when they empty it out, a new row of archers with the IL moves forward to shoot, the first row falls back to reload, the second row shoots til empty, fall back, a third row moves forward and so on. Until the first row is reloaded and can move forward again to shoot.
I know this might sound overly complicated, but I was thinking on the point that Jeorg made about logistics and how to force the logistic side to suit the weapon. That way, you can have massive suppressive fire without the "need" to reload. Granted, if you have a clip of bolts it kills the idea but that would add another layer of complexity. Just my 2 cents.
Volley fire like you're talking about was a pretty widespread technique, it's certainly plausible.
This was done with muskets
@@boygenius538_8 why not why IL
If people started to do this, people would revert back to guerrilla tactics faster or you would see armour to defend against that when moving forward.
Remember the reason why that tactic worked with muskets is that people were not generally using much armour anymore.
So it would depend on when you are thinking about this and also where and what the people fighting it has access to of things.
Remember armour and weapon is a package deal, not just one becomes important and the others fall to the side.
@@havtor007 well, that all depends on how well the IL can even penetrate armour. The reason armour fell out of use was specifically because the muskets were so much better than bows and crossbows at punching through armour and taking down horses. That actually may be something that Shad may want to test.
I would like Shad to revisit the god of war axe carrying hook, he should have done this with the carrying hook for the axe to be on a harness rather than a single strap, since the strap tends to shift the hook around his body, it would have been better if the hook was attached to a harness so it would be more secure and to the body. For the axe to be held more securely, it would have been better if the hook went a little up, like it has the ends of the hook bended up so it could allow for the axe wielded to jump without the axe having an easier time of falling out of the hook. I think a design such as that would have been more viable than what he had originally designed.
So many episodes on the Instant Legolas have been made by you, JoergSprave, and Tod's Workshop that perhaps someone ought to organize them all into a playlist in chronological order to help viewers keep track of where in time each of these videos were, along with how all the discussion about this "invention" has evolved over time.
LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES
*Maniacal laughter*
As a kid I liked bows, and when I was playing I always shot on the right side without anyone telling me what side I should shoot on, it just felt more natural to child me
i love the instant legalos and the maker
Looking trim Shad! That gambeson vest is gorgeous! You're looking like a badass in the thumbnail, especially with that longbow!
It is always a blast to see someone new to shoot the SIL!
Nice points made as well
Shad did you show your brother the machicolations? It is very important.
It makes me laugh that my phone is telling me that this was posted 6 mins ago and then the comments were from 10 mins ago
That’s because the video was unlisted lol
Don’t forget squires for bowman. If an archer was handing off his spent bow to be reloaded, then...
What do you get when you take a non-machine washable gambison, an outdoor setting, and an Australian summer?
A very good laugh from an older brother.
Shad, standing in line and releasing in rapid succession with the wind bellowing, one could swear you stood atop the hills facing down a horde of orcs or something! BTW, great second reload. Love your videos! I check in everyday for new content and you never disappoint. How cool would it have been if the Instant Legolas was actually used in medieval periods!!!
Dunbrook
Highbrook
"medieval engineahs were wicked smaht" -Tour guide at the Brookland castles probably.
In my head while reading that, the brooklyn and australian accents combined and it sounds really strange.
Huh... Didn't know there was a third brother.
WHERE IS HIS RUclips CHANNEL???
lol
Didn't he say he had like 20 siblings?
@@serp0unce and if so, they ALL need a channel lol.
@@serp0unce poor shadmama so
@@serp0unce Good, he needs warriors (and servants) in all his castles. 😂
And then they can have a civil war for who should be king.
@@yuritrasimaco5201 is Shadman his brother too? XD
I see the Instant Legolas being used in 3 general areas: 1) mounted archery to ride in and burst, then pull back and reload, 2) environments with cover (urban/buildings, fortifications, maybe forests, maybe with pavise kinda shields), 3) guerrilla warfare or in ambushes so you can use fewer people to burst large amounts of bolts/arrows.
Also if this were being used in formations, you could easily divide the shooters up into 2 or 3 waves to keep part of the formation always firing. Alternatively, have 1 person reloading and 1 person shooting. Probably most of the strategies for crossbow or musket combat would likely be applicable to the IL.
Honestly, training and slight modifications can probably bring the IL usage in line with normal longbow use for overall speed, but the thing that would worry me about something like this is the maintenance to keep them firing. You know a peasant/common soldier is likely to do something to damage the trigger or spring mechanisms and won't have the know how to do a field repair to keep it firing. Sure they can take off the IL to just use the bow, but if they are carrying special/shorter bolts meant for the IL, they might not have any normal arrows to fire.
Anti seige weapon. Imagine being upon the walls, you have the crenel's as cover and more than one "IL archer" especially as the attacking force attempts to breach or climb the walls, that burst or speed could be advantageous.
@@SpeargrassForge That basically falls under environments with cover, where you'd have something to duck behind between firings to reload. With pavise shields or similar, it could also work as a siege weapon to lay down suppressing fire as ladders, siege towers, battering ram or whatever else you are going to use to breach fortifications in an assault gets closer to said fortifications. Though that application depends on the fortifications being assaulted, as things like machicolations could negate the effectiveness of suppressing fire to a large degree.
The thing about reloading is any fool can do it. So in a siege you can have a skilled archer shooting and an arrow boy reloading. Or if someone thinks about how to make a clip easy to load.
The real issue is fatigue. How many times can a skilled archer go through a clip of bolts before his arm gives out?
@@matthewjarocki6089 While fatigue would be an issue for long term combat, due to potential ammo consumption, I see the IL being mostly a burst weapon being used during critical periods of combat: initial strikes, covering fire as your troops do something that might be crucial to your victory (i.e. suppressing the enemy as they climb ladders) or similar.
Also, if you replace the arrow boy with a soldier who is also trained to use the IL, you can potentially get more clips of bolts out of the duo: after X clips, they switch, or if the first guy reaches a certain fatigue level they switch.
On the whole, I'd still be worried about the maintenance aspect, because you know that if they drop it at that one special angle onto the ground, they'll somehow manage to break the trigger or drop it into mud and somehow mess the spring or something up and will either be lacking parts or know-how to fix it, or won't realize they gotta knock the mud out of it for it to work.
I am liking this line of though. Think front line infantry with a little training. A row of IL at the front with the next few rows reloading, Mow down the charging troupes with a hail of short range fast fire. If the charge does not break just before contact the IL line moves to the back row as reinforcements or drops IL and raises a shield wall to take the hit.
My biggest criticism of the this device is that the draw handle is horizontal instead of vertical... If it were vertical, it would be much much closer to how an archer is used to drawing a bow in terms of hand position and muscles used
I think that Joe made the comment that it's less stressful on your hand to hold it sideways that far back.
@@sethbettwieser maybe but I remember Todd saying that it changes entirely how to pull the bow back because you're using a totally different set of muscles
Great vid Shad! really liked it!
I just took my thing off the charger and as soon as I turned it on, I get the notification and instant click.
I've got a great name I just came up with "Australia" you see it comes from the Latin for southern, and the property is south of where I am right now.
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Dr. Evil:
I call it the "Death Star".
Scott Evil:
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This video with your brother helping was fun, and having another person made the tests more informative I think. Especially because it let the legolas be tested by someone who wasn't as into archery and stuff as most of the people in these kinds of test videos we see. This could actually let us see him get better with practice, which might give some insight on how much practice would improve using the instant legolas with someone who maybe doesn't have bow training, and would use an instant legolas rather than a normal bow.
When you reload, can you take a knee and rest the bow, on it's side with loading port up, across your forward knee? Might help keep the set stable and less prone to move on you as you load.
Also.....Brookshire.