Priceless Dredge stomp. Slight misplay by Theo in G2. He can wait to cast Contagion #2 in his end step after Ichorid dies, letting him get an extra zombie from Bridge before it gets exiled and still killing Deathrite before it loses summoning sickness.
I love Manaless Dredge. I've been having really great results on MTGO running it, only difference is I run Griselbrand instead of Spy. This way, don't need to go all in as much.
I'm a little confused about Duke not being able to do anything when Narcomoeba went to the graveyard. Normally, discarding is the last thing that happens in a turn, during cleanup, and there opponents cannot respond to it, but Narcomoeba has a triggered ability, which went on the stack, which means Van Doosselaere would have to pass priority to Duke before his turn could end. What am I missing?
Also he has 2 shadowsin hand from what i see, normally you discard the shadows and a dredger on top and do the above trick, he would have 2 shadows on turn 2 not 1.
Phantasmagorian isn't the only card that can play through Deathrite Shaman. If you have Street Wraith in hand, you discard a dredger on end step, then when opponent targets it with DRS you respond to the target by cycling Street Wraith, dredge, and fizzle the ability. Also Chancellor of the Annex can keep your opponent off turn 1 DRS.
he draws to 8 cards, discards a dredge creature or phantasmagorian, then he dredges each turn and plays spells like cabal therapy from the grave and cards like gitaxian probe from the hand
Killerstick, it works by drawing for the turn and discarding to hand size always to get a dredge care in the graveyard, then dredging creatures that return for free as targets for Dread Return to get back a creature that lets you dump the rest of your library into your gy, then returning Flayer of the Hatebound and a giant creature to combo them off. Or win with zombie tokens from Bridge from Below.
I play a similar deck casually and I didn't see the painful misplay. Do you you mean killing the second Deathrite out of order? I feel like the results were in from the opening 7 in each game...
Let me know if I'm wrong, but I believe the mistake Theo made was playing Contagion. He should've concentrated on what his deck does & not on stopping Reid. That play in game 3 just gave Reid the game, for there was nothing Theo could do, since he couldn't get the Dredge engine working. Worrying about Deathrite meant no dredge. No dredge means your deck does nothing & you lose. I saw no upside in that play.
Yes, but you're talking about 1 card. I think he had ways of getting many cards in his graveyard. Maybe he couldn't & needed to get rid of the Shaman first, but seeing what he did in game 1, I'm having a hard time believing that 1 Shaman can destroy manaless dredge.
Well the only way Manaless has to discard (to begin with) is by drawing 8 and going into discard step. Without a Phantasmagorian he can only do one at a time, and Shaman can just deal with those every turn while gaining 2 life through that. Thats why you want to take the Shaman as soon as possible.
Game 1 normally when you have phantasmagorian in grave and street wraith in hand you discard 3 cards including a dredger with phantasmagorian and let the ability on the stack (phantasmagorian has not returned yet in hand) in response you street wraith so dredger comes back in hand. If needed you can reactivate phantasmagorian's ability discarding the dredger that came back. Instead, he returned phantasmagorian in hand before street wraithing which is technically wrong.
Well as much as I love the deck (first time seeing it) I don't get how he did well in the tournament with it, since having to deal with a Deathrite Shaman just ruined him. He did well though, so I'll have to watch some more matches against this cool deck.
I think if he had discarded a dredge, Shaman would have removed it before Theo could draw, so essentially he would have had no way to start the engine.
Yeah, I know how the mechanics of the deck work. Don't think he wanted to dump his hand on that first because he had Streetwraith and Probe to triple dredge instead. Pretty sure the order of that dredge he left alone didn't matter either.
Couldn’t disagree more. This deck is an abomination, I’m sick to my stomach after seeing it. Glad Reid beat this deck into the ground. If you sleeve up this trash you deserve to lose.
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Manaless dredge is a frikin' masterpiece. Not much traditional magic about it, but it's wonderfully elegant none the less.
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And it let's you play legacy with out paying for a mana base
I miss this time in Magic
Priceless Dredge stomp. Slight misplay by Theo in G2. He can wait to cast Contagion #2 in his end step after Ichorid dies, letting him get an extra zombie from Bridge before it gets exiled and still killing Deathrite before it loses summoning sickness.
Man, the way he butchered the pronunciation of Balustrade Spy had me googling for the card "Blade-trust Spy." It's BAL-UHS-TRADE
LoL @ Duke bailing trying to figure out the interactions.
I love Manaless Dredge. I've been having really great results on MTGO running it, only difference is I run Griselbrand instead of Spy. This way, don't need to go all in as much.
Put the decks' list in the description, please.
Isn't this deck called 'Look! mom, no friend!'
Ah dredge, the deck where you don't play good cards.
That's why I love it. It's so completely out of left field. :P
Cards are only good because of interactions with other cards.
black lots would like to disagree
I'm a little confused about Duke not being able to do anything when Narcomoeba went to the graveyard. Normally, discarding is the last thing that happens in a turn, during cleanup, and there opponents cannot respond to it, but Narcomoeba has a triggered ability, which went on the stack, which means Van Doosselaere would have to pass priority to Duke before his turn could end. What am I missing?
Also he has 2 shadowsin hand from what i see, normally you discard the shadows and a dredger on top and do the above trick, he would have 2 shadows on turn 2 not 1.
Phantasmagorian isn't the only card that can play through Deathrite Shaman. If you have Street Wraith in hand, you discard a dredger on end step, then when opponent targets it with DRS you respond to the target by cycling Street Wraith, dredge, and fizzle the ability. Also Chancellor of the Annex can keep your opponent off turn 1 DRS.
he draws to 8 cards, discards a dredge creature or phantasmagorian, then he dredges each turn and plays spells like cabal therapy from the grave and cards like gitaxian probe from the hand
Killerstick, it works by drawing for the turn and discarding to hand size always to get a dredge care in the graveyard, then dredging creatures that return for free as targets for Dread Return to get back a creature that lets you dump the rest of your library into your gy, then returning Flayer of the Hatebound and a giant creature to combo them off. Or win with zombie tokens from Bridge from Below.
I play a similar deck casually and I didn't see the painful misplay. Do you you mean killing the second Deathrite out of order? I feel like the results were in from the opening 7 in each game...
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Is there a decklist anywhere for manaless dredge?
G1 Reid got greedy, really should have left deathrite up
Let me know if I'm wrong, but I believe the mistake Theo made was playing Contagion. He should've concentrated on what his deck does & not on stopping Reid. That play in game 3 just gave Reid the game, for there was nothing Theo could do, since he couldn't get the Dredge engine working. Worrying about Deathrite meant no dredge. No dredge means your deck does nothing & you lose. I saw no upside in that play.
Yes, but you're talking about 1 card. I think he had ways of getting many cards in his graveyard. Maybe he couldn't & needed to get rid of the Shaman first, but seeing what he did in game 1, I'm having a hard time believing that 1 Shaman can destroy manaless dredge.
Well the only way Manaless has to discard (to begin with) is by drawing 8 and going into discard step. Without a Phantasmagorian he can only do one at a time, and Shaman can just deal with those every turn while gaining 2 life through that. Thats why you want to take the Shaman as soon as possible.
Game 1 normally when you have phantasmagorian in grave and street wraith in hand you discard 3 cards including a dredger with phantasmagorian and let the ability on the stack (phantasmagorian has not returned yet in hand) in response you street wraith so dredger comes back in hand. If needed you can reactivate phantasmagorian's ability discarding the dredger that came back. Instead, he returned phantasmagorian in hand before street wraithing which is technically wrong.
I do not get how this manaless dredge works, how does he play his cards?
Well as much as I love the deck (first time seeing it) I don't get how he did well in the tournament with it, since having to deal with a Deathrite Shaman just ruined him. He did well though, so I'll have to watch some more matches against this cool deck.
I think if he had discarded a dredge, Shaman would have removed it before Theo could draw, so essentially he would have had no way to start the engine.
Yeah, I know how the mechanics of the deck work. Don't think he wanted to dump his hand on that first because he had Streetwraith and Probe to triple dredge instead. Pretty sure the order of that dredge he left alone didn't matter either.
I love my manaless dredge deck.
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Quite possibly the funniest deck I've ever seen.
I love the commentating here. lol
14:25 Reid feigns a smile at a joke. He hates this deck.
Game 1: So much dredge rape.
deck costs 100 and went top 8.
google it theres loads
Nothing made me happier then seeing duke get bent over and forced to bite the pillow and the cherry on top was it was his birthday lol
LMFAO 3 minutes in and reid looks miserable
Couldn’t disagree more. This deck is an abomination, I’m sick to my stomach after seeing it. Glad Reid beat this deck into the ground. If you sleeve up this trash you deserve to lose.
i love how scg judges think they matter lol basically a 180p version of an actual magic tournament
how isnt dredge banned its un fair
Apex 0 it’s really not
It pretty much loses to graveyard hate like layline of the void
Apex 0 get over it. It’s very fair.
dredge is so lame