Female Changeling "We made you solid, but now that I'm trapped in this quadrant and you're a Changeling again I have decided to forgive you..." How generous of her
I always felt this should have been the end of Kira & Odo's relationship. It would take a minor miracle for Kira to ever forgive him after this. And clearly the writers thought so too because they had to have it happen offscreen so we didn't find watching it totally unbelievable!
For a show that prides itself on serialised storytelling, this should have led to a long stretch where Kira just doesn’t associate herself with Odo outside of work and treat him as the Chief of Security; not as Odo. The fact he’s even trusted after this is unbelievable.
It's fascinating that the behaviour of the Defiant crew, having developed a ritual around their phaser coil, demonstrates how far the experience of the war has driven them from the Starfleet professionalism of the pre-war times. The stress of the constant red alerts and engagements and reports of bad news has driven them into weird little archaic wartime traditions they've adapted for their technology.
I always felt the ‘one and many’ comment meant that the Changelings were all one being but the various beings shapes we saw represented aspects of this one being. Odo of course being the rebellious pot head one of the bunch.
Call me crazy, but I think the Great Links might be one of the reasons the Changeling are so evil: when all you care about is getting to live as a mixed puddle of Changeling, it kinda dulls your empathy.
@@boobah5643 Same Idea. The difference is that the End Game for Evangelion was just as bad if not worse because it would result in A) Godlike power in the hands of Old Men who thought better of humanity or B) *I Love my Dead Wife*
Thank you so much for uploading this series to youtube. The previous hosting was less than ideal and this format is a great improvement. Sadly I'm old enough to remember watching these when they came out but its always nice to walk this road again.
11:20 so I clicked off the tab to check the news on another at about that moment, then heard that. I actually stopped for a moment, wondering if Chuck had somehow made that voice. Anyway it's pretty rushed, but I suppose Odo and TFC do show what's up with the changelings as a whole. This connection is such a powerful experience that anything to do with any other creature is simply too small in comparison for them to care, so any action becomes justified to further changeling interests.
So is Odo in love, lust, or under control? He was upset that they were questioning his loyality - well, yes Odo we are since you are not wanting to do any of the plans and well - sleeping with the enemy. Yet, Odo wants to be home - misses it, its in his DNA - or whatever - it is who he is. He longed for home. He longs for Kira. But what one is stronger? Well - both. Maybe. Now, if he and Kira had hooked up in this time, maybe things wouldn't have gone down this way?
I think Odo is so completely overwhelmed that nothing else matters. In one of the later episodes we have this exchange: WEYOUN: Meaning that he's always posed a potential threat to our plans, but you seem to have neutralised him quite nicely. FOUNDER: Neutralise Odo? Is that why you think I'm here? Odo is a changeling. Bringing him home, returning him to the Great Link, means more to us than the Alpha Quadrant itself. Is that clear? I don't think he's under control in the sense we might use it, but at the same time she is infinitely more experienced than odo as a changeling and the power of the link, so just having him experience it even in a limited form, she will be aware that the cares of the solids will fade.
@@Morinaka25 Maybe had he been more experanced with it, he could have told her that he would go home in exchange for them ending the war right now in that moment.
The reason it's an unforgiveable crime to oppose another changeling is that there is essentially only one changeling on the home world. For thousands of years, that ocean has existed as basically one organism, occasionally branching off, but then reabsorbing the parts soon after. A changeling killing another is essentially the same as one part of your body killing another part, like a tumor causing seizures. The idea that there could be some moral justification for the tumor to cause seizures makes no sense. You would simply remove it. The Link had forgotten what individuality was about, and so when Odo finally returned, they didn't know how to react to his differences. They expected him to return to them with lots of information but otherwise basically identical to them in thought. Instead, he had radically different principles and priorities, and they didn't know what to do. In the end, they decided to exile him. It wasn't as much about punishment as about surgery.
I love Odo, I even feel a somewhat close connection to him, because I understand his need for privacy and sarcasm so well (of course, he is a fictional character, so I don't mean that too literally) ... on the other hand, his fascist tendencies were always something I didn't like too much on a personal level - but as a character trait, they are marvellously done! He is complex, like so many DS9 characters are. Nevertheless, the way in which the whole betrayal problem was washed away in one off-screen conversation with Kira at a party bothers me a bit. It should have taken at least a little while longer to sort things out ... or diamonds!
Only Captain Sisko can make running out of ammo sound like a badass strike against the system
Odo got that post-nut haze
Female Changeling "We made you solid, but now that I'm trapped in this quadrant and you're a Changeling again I have decided to forgive you..." How generous of her
I'm sad we never got a sass-off between her and Winn.
@@Jokie155 that would have been epic, alas we were denied the sass off we all deserved
@@bradwolf07 If only they'd tapped that sass.
When yourube comments stopped shortly after “i made you solid” i didnt think thats where you were going before i hit read more. 😏
Definitely not one of the finest moments for that man of honor within the link that Worf would mention decades from now.
I always felt this should have been the end of Kira & Odo's relationship. It would take a minor miracle for Kira to ever forgive him after this. And clearly the writers thought so too because they had to have it happen offscreen so we didn't find watching it totally unbelievable!
Hmmm... eventually, Odo DOES grow up and nut up and stop getting distracted by goo bonding.
For a show that prides itself on serialised storytelling, this should have led to a long stretch where Kira just doesn’t associate herself with Odo outside of work and treat him as the Chief of Security; not as Odo. The fact he’s even trusted after this is unbelievable.
It's fascinating that the behaviour of the Defiant crew, having developed a ritual around their phaser coil, demonstrates how far the experience of the war has driven them from the Starfleet professionalism of the pre-war times. The stress of the constant red alerts and engagements and reports of bad news has driven them into weird little archaic wartime traditions they've adapted for their technology.
Odo really must be a fan of the orderly and by the book resistance .
Ultranookie didn't help that decision.
@@hariman7727 Indeed .
2:30 - Wholesome joke! Gotta hand it to SFD, he doesn’t do em often, but when he does he lands em just right!
I always felt the ‘one and many’ comment meant that the Changelings were all one being but the various beings shapes we saw represented aspects of this one being. Odo of course being the rebellious pot head one of the bunch.
I took it more literally, in that if you mix up a bunch of liquids they become one combined liquid.
Call me crazy, but I think the Great Links might be one of the reasons the Changeling are so evil: when all you care about is getting to live as a mixed puddle of Changeling, it kinda dulls your empathy.
Yeah. And somehow I’m getting End of Evangelion Flashbacks.
@@keiththompson9435 Why would you associate _this_ with a species that, in the absence of barriers between identities, turns into a warm goo?
@@boobah5643 Same Idea. The difference is that the End Game for Evangelion was just as bad if not worse because it would result in A) Godlike power in the hands of Old Men who thought better of humanity or B) *I Love my Dead Wife*
Damn it, Odo.
Thank you so much for uploading this series to youtube. The previous hosting was less than ideal and this format is a great improvement. Sadly I'm old enough to remember watching these when they came out but its always nice to walk this road again.
That's a LOT of "many"s to count the number of Changelings. (Discworld reference, nice.)
"Score for this ep. 6/10" Me hollering in the background: Really!?
"All scores are relative to the series"
11:20 so I clicked off the tab to check the news on another at about that moment, then heard that. I actually stopped for a moment, wondering if Chuck had somehow made that voice.
Anyway it's pretty rushed, but I suppose Odo and TFC do show what's up with the changelings as a whole. This connection is such a powerful experience that anything to do with any other creature is simply too small in comparison for them to care, so any action becomes justified to further changeling interests.
(7:27) "...to avoid any unnecessary risks." Kinda like Voyager, but without the "unnecessary".
So is Odo in love, lust, or under control? He was upset that they were questioning his loyality - well, yes Odo we are since you are not wanting to do any of the plans and well - sleeping with the enemy. Yet, Odo wants to be home - misses it, its in his DNA - or whatever - it is who he is. He longed for home. He longs for Kira. But what one is stronger? Well - both. Maybe. Now, if he and Kira had hooked up in this time, maybe things wouldn't have gone down this way?
I think Odo is so completely overwhelmed that nothing else matters. In one of the later episodes we have this exchange:
WEYOUN: Meaning that he's always posed a potential threat to our plans, but you seem to have neutralised him quite nicely.
FOUNDER: Neutralise Odo? Is that why you think I'm here? Odo is a changeling. Bringing him home, returning him to the Great Link, means more to us than the Alpha Quadrant itself. Is that clear?
I don't think he's under control in the sense we might use it, but at the same time she is infinitely more experienced than odo as a changeling and the power of the link, so just having him experience it even in a limited form, she will be aware that the cares of the solids will fade.
@@Morinaka25 Maybe had he been more experanced with it, he could have told her that he would go home in exchange for them ending the war right now in that moment.
Yes, but mainly distracted.
1:28 Sisko delivers this speech way better than Dax!
The reason it's an unforgiveable crime to oppose another changeling is that there is essentially only one changeling on the home world. For thousands of years, that ocean has existed as basically one organism, occasionally branching off, but then reabsorbing the parts soon after. A changeling killing another is essentially the same as one part of your body killing another part, like a tumor causing seizures. The idea that there could be some moral justification for the tumor to cause seizures makes no sense. You would simply remove it.
The Link had forgotten what individuality was about, and so when Odo finally returned, they didn't know how to react to his differences. They expected him to return to them with lots of information but otherwise basically identical to them in thought. Instead, he had radically different principles and priorities, and they didn't know what to do. In the end, they decided to exile him. It wasn't as much about punishment as about surgery.
Alexander got to be an insufferable character at two different stages of development into adulthood and played by two different actors.
what an old video, you werent even on channel awesome yet!
I love Odo, I even feel a somewhat close connection to him, because I understand his need for privacy and sarcasm so well (of course, he is a fictional character, so I don't mean that too literally) ... on the other hand, his fascist tendencies were always something I didn't like too much on a personal level - but as a character trait, they are marvellously done! He is complex, like so many DS9 characters are.
Nevertheless, the way in which the whole betrayal problem was washed away in one off-screen conversation with Kira at a party bothers me a bit. It should have taken at least a little while longer to sort things out ... or diamonds!
What show or movie is the "are you coming back" clip from? James bond?
That's the secretary from the Mel Brooks movie Blazing Saddles
Blazing Saddles, I think.
Oh yeah, that's Blazing Saddles.
I'm sorry. What did you say again?
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Bro what was up with the jokes in this😭😭😭😭😭