Tekken Tips - Escaping Command Grabs
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King and Armor King have some really ambiguous mix ups when it comes to throws. I still have a hard time trying to figure out how to break their chain throws as well.
Yeah, their Giant Swing uses a 1+2 throw animation despite being a 1 break.
@@watcherman222 that's what throws me off (hehe) about that move! I get so angry when I see the two hand break and it's not!
@@watcherman222 The Giant Swing animation is not exactly the same as a general 1+2 break. The arms come out faster.
Practice, brother. That's the only way.
I just learned the rolling death cradle with king on Tekken 8 online fighters have no chance in hell now 😂😂😂.
The hierarchy of difficulty in Tekken imo:
1. Knowledge of which moves to sidestep or to sidewalk, exactly when and in what direction
2. Knowledge of by what number of frames a move is punishable and retrieving the correct punish on command
3. Breaking throws
4. Knowledge of which moves are duckable
5. Deliberately causing whiffs using movement
I'd say:
2
4
5
3
1
First off, tip no. 5 is a lot harder since it requires perfect movement on ur part and it also depends on how poorly ur opponent plays into this. Also baiting whiffs and punishing them basically is the same as tip 1. Since both of them r means for making attacks whiff and punishing them.
Frame data isnt as hard as it seems. Whwn u get enough experience, u can kinda guess the average frames on even moves u dont know exact frames of. There's also trial and error amidst match.
Throws r kinda easy, just gotta watch out for the mixup commans throws that looks all alike.
Ducking highs probably one of the imp and easiest things in the game. Imo if a new player learms to do this, he can instantly start going up in ranks, even without knowing firat thing about frames. Jist gotta be patient and identify duckables and commit. Ur now better than the low rank players who flowchart their way to victory.
@@jamessummers5936I 100p agree
Im super old for this to learn from reaction. I have turtle-like reflexes. So what I do is after I eat the grab, i observe if the our players switches sides. If it doesn't, it's a 1-break. More often than not, people will use the same grab because of muscle memory. So the next time they grab, i have a chance of breaking it. This is very effective for people that include grabs in their "routine". You dont even have to read which arm is up.
yeah old me with reflexes like a sloth cant react to shit anymore. hahaha
Hey thank you so much for the tutorials, what i really would like to see is a chain-throw break tutorial, some of them are really tricky due to timing and input, thanks again for everything !
I’m addition to that a ground throw guide would be nice too
Tbh, the hardest part for me is to stop guessing, I can see the animation, but my finger already pushed a button 😂
It seems impossible at first to learn to break on reaction.
BUT YOU CAN DO IT, I BELIEVE IN YOU🤓
Yall need to know a thing, only very few of the cast have full command grabs (1, 2, 1+2), and only some of the others have multiple command grabs(1 or 2, 1+2), and the rest simply just have 1 command grab(1+2). If your opponent has trash grabs, the difficulty will be decreased a lot, since you only react if that is a 1+2 grab, no need to see if that's a left arm or right arm specifically
And thats how you eat a normal throw lmao
@@unholylightning4617 oh o home
@@unholylightning4617 bruh if you can't break a normal throw given that your opponent could only do 1+2 command throw, I don't know what to say
@@chingchenghanji643 I agree with you and yet I see quite often tbh
@@FGirao Aoba
Good general info! May I suggest a tip video on the tackle mechanic that characters like Dragunov, Marduk, and Paul have?
Great suggestion!
I have literally never teched a Tekken throw intentionally. I legit have no idea how people do it. Like, even if I spent two hours every day practicing that, there's still so many more things to be wary of during a match. It just doesn't make sense in my brain.
Tekken players are something else, fr.
Unless you have a friend who spams command grabs and normal grabs in between pokes, it gets ingrained in your muscle memory.
I just mash 1+2 and it works 90% of time very well
Is there any grabs where u have to mash 3 or 4. Jack 8, King, Lily, and Hwoarang grabs give me hella trouble
I play tekken since I was 6, and I still can't break throws on reaction, some times my opponent becomes a little predictable and i can kinda spot the difference between (1+2) and (1 or 2) but not between (1 or 2)
I don’t think it supposed to be on reaction , it’s a soft read if you’re predicting it
@@jakesteel90 nah i think with enough practice and reactions you can break them 100% of the times, watching tournaments the percentage of broken throws is absudrly high for it to be just correct reads, it has to be on reaction and i just don't have the reflexes to react to it
@@jakesteel90 the pros do that on reaction.
@@ThomasJoysword you also don't live on a diet of energy drinks and adderall like the pros
@@docterfreeze2918 my best bet for 100% throw break is to just snort a line before the match and hope i don't overdose before the end of the game
4 years into this game I still can't do this :(
20 years into tekken and i can't do ewgf properly
Very helpful. Can you extend the series by making a video about king and saving us all from his harassment of chain throws?
When people say this thing can be escaped on reaction....maaaaaaan.....i dunno.
You just have below average reactions or u play in bad online connection that makes it really hard to react properly. Not trying to talk shit but that's usually the 2 reasons ppl can't break them consistently
@@KetteiThe7th_ oh I am sure my reaction is below average in this game.
But the ability to react to throws.....I honestly dont think its "easy" to just react to.
When you've been playing the game for years, yea you can do it on reaction.
Be glad it's easier in 7.
It can, it just takes practice. The throw break window in Tekken 7 is about 20 frames, big enough to break on reaction.
And that is also why you pretty much never see players going for throws (or grabs) in tournaments, because at that level everyone pretty much expects the opponent to break them.
The window used to be smaller, and the reason why some old Tekken players have asked to get that back, that they miss being thrown in Tekken, meaning that throws are not a good tactic at high level to break your opponent's defense.
It just takes a long time to learn. It's good to remember that throw mixups are only available to a dozen or so characters, so chances are you don't get to practice it that much during your average tekken session. You'd learn it much "faster" if everyone had a three-way or even two-way mixup with command throws.
Best help I’ve got all day lol ❤
brilliant guides!
Great information 😮 Definitely have to practice next chance I can. Hope to surprise a good buddy of mine when the time comes🙃
Great video as always (:
The issue with this is how many exceptions there are to this rule. (ie: Julia's mad axes being a 1+2 animation with a 2 break, etc.)
In intermediate to advance levels of play it just comes down to labbing and situational knowledge more so than breaking on reaction.
A follow up or in depth video would be nice to talk about irregular throw animations, like the Kings having deceiving animations, and Law's and Kuni's special grab animations, as well as BT grabs looking the same (for Kuni, at least, I know for certain).
as far as I am aware Kings are the only ones who have a legit mixup throw game. So basically you have to guess correctly between Shining wizard and Giant swing.
@@TheSLashera Well, Kuni has, as well, from BT, as the animations for generic grabs and 1+4 look identical. Of course it's only from BT, but then I hear she's BT a lot.
Maven I believe does as well from bt. I think xiaoyu might as well but they are very slow and she does a jump before grabbing you. Nina has an untechable chain throw from backsway. Negan and kazumi have a 20+f untechable throw from their stances which you have to duck on reaction, jack also has one but not from a stance but it has to be very close otherwise itll become an unsafe special mid. I am not entirely sure but i think feng also has ambigous bt throws as well alongside some more bt characters...so many exceptions to a very unclear rule. Its so dumb.
The arm postion for 1 and 2 break grabs will be the other way round if your on the 1p/left side though
...left arm will be always "the left arm of your opponent", so is the right arm.
@@chingchenghanji643 I see what you mean but I prefer to think of it has front and rear arms. It's easier to keep track of rather than look at wether it's left and right .
@@chingchenghanji643 the overall animation of the character will look the same as if it were mirrored, this is what he means.
I don't think I'm able to see the difference in the heat of the fight. I'm reacting to pink spark so for me every throw is a mixup.
Practicing not helping much :(
Thanks god those grabs not 10f.
King's giant swing is a 10f grab and can be buffered with his 10f pokes. It does 60 or 65 of dmg.
Your experience is pretty normal, and the reason many think they can't break it on reaction.
If you practice enough to build muscle memory, one day you will suddenly start breaking them in real matches. Sounds like bs, but that's how me and everyone else I've met learned how to throw break.
@@justApplay Sounds good, doesn't work.
@@DerHalbeEuro It does. It worked for me especially since they made throws so much easier to break in Tekken 7.
Thanks
What's the timing though? Especially necessary for grab chains
I play Tekken since Tekken 2 and never knew it. I was always wondering.
Either practice them or just get them over time, I feel like throw breaks also come with experience. Against characters I play a lot I break 85 percent of throws, characters I barely play it’s harder to break throws and I think it’s just like knowing a matchup knowing animations is crucial
I shouldn't have to learn a character i don't even like at all just so i can enjoy the game without getting grabbed for 95% of a match
@@saliv8z581welcome to tekken
what about the leg grabs likr drago has with df 4 or the jump leg grab
best to practice is with paul, one of his grab switch sides.
i wish the grab spark per grab type was a different color. it's hard to tell hands with the pink spark.
I'm ready.
Unacceptable that this isn’t in an official training mode by now. I learned virtua fighter 4 very well via that fleshed out training mode back in 2003! It’s 2022.
I really tried to break King chain throws with 3 and 4 at the time
Do you have a short on back dashing? I’ve been playing this game for ages and still don’t know how to properly perform it 🤦🏾♂️😂
It's easy, wait on tekken 8 where hopefully they will make it just a back back input 👍
If you dont go to tournaments, you dont actually need it >
You add a d/b input between backdashes so the game lets you backdash sooner.
← ← [Keep holding back] ↙ ← ← [Keep holding back] ↙ ← ← [Repeat]
The important part to make you backdash clean is timing your ↙ ← ← input to be at the end of your first backdash so it is nice and deep.
And you want to minimize time crouching, so try to do the ↙ to ← quickly and don't go to neutral.
Practice with just 1 extra backdash to begin with and try to make your first bd deep.
@@mrs6420 hopefully not. kbd is part of the game
Doing kbd is something you don't just get to "know" it and done. You need to practice consistently in order to get good at it, at least on stick and pad. Know the basic technique, inputs and just practice it and get better. It takes years to Master it.
CLEAN!
If possible add ground grabs. I can never break those even tho I know it's only a 1 or a 2
Now we just need a short on breaking chain grabs
How the heck you gonna fit that in one minute ey
Make video on chain throws
I been using Negan but I cannot use grabs cuz I will accidentally start a combo attack, my bro is a Jin user he have alot of real hard combos and grabs. I swear man whenever the game is almost over he will grabs me and claims victor. I been giving them alot of handicaps cuz whenever I use the "Holy Smokes!" Where the bat stuck at the enemies head, he claims it cheating and I only know just easy combos since I'm busy with studies so I don't have alot of time to spend on Tekken and also I used old controller so sometimes when I start my combo the button didn't detect it so it stops halfway. I'm so bad at grabbing cuz part of me told me it's not an honorable fight if I did so. And because of that, it gives alot of advantage to my brother. I will try to practice ur way and if I can counter my bro grabs I will let u know, thanks for the tips.
I have already put the combo but the bot doesnt play the combo
But the problem is There are grabs have the same animation like king
(Shining Wizard, Giant Swing , Muscle Buster )
Thought this was gonna show King grapple breaks
Now I can better prepare to fight King, my weakness..
If you are genetically gifted with fast reaction time you most certainly can throw break on reaction but for the average joe most dont break on reaction.
yep all the top performers are all because of genetics, screw practice mode
is this still the same for tekken 8 king be messin me up bruh
how about escaping chain grabs
learning this because a friend of mine keep on using grabs to win games lmfao (we're both new and i'm actually trying to do combos while this dude only spam grabs)
The training on practice mode didn't make that much difference on real match, the real training on throw break is to fight someone who uses them consistently and maybe that dosen't rely on cheap stuff like snake edge so that you don't have to worry about that. Like if I set the cpu to throws and snake edge I struggle to block snake edge cause I am to focused on throws or viceversa.
I'm sorry man but if you can't react & block snake edge, surely learning how to break throws won't have much difference...
@@chingchenghanji643 I can block snake edge, I struggle to block snake edge if I am to focused on throws.
Focused/ looking out for throws
This is what ive been thinking. I cant believe its humanly possible to react to 3 different throw animations and lows on top of moves that arent gimmicks that look similar and require your full attention already. Think of devil jin his huge wings already obscure half the arena, you have to be constantly wary of his hs, his 21f db2 (which should be in the realm of reactable), his complete throw game and flash punch pressure which comes from the same hand. I just dont buy it honestly.
is it possible to escape a throw if they grab you from behind?
no. you can escape if they grab you from the side though. 1 if they grab you from the left and 2 if they grab you from the right.
Ya Kon se game ha
I'm glad we're all here because of the same thing
I always got confused when it comes to king and armor king
I main King.
I think the main trick for defence is if you backdash or SSR when you're around -1 to -3 you'll avoid giant swing and can break throws like normal.
And then if you're very minus, like -9 you have to guess and can try to duck and launch if they're too obvious.
@@8bit_pineapple like -9?what does that mean?
@@RedFoxRoaming frame disadvantage. If you are in -9, it means your move will come out 9 frames later than your opponent, basically means that your opponent now can do things before you can.
King and AK's are just 50/50's.
Chain grabs though, if you are on low ranks, they're prob. going to do the higher dmg ones like cradle etc, so just learn the correct break for it.
They technically are 50/50
But the command to do the Giant Swing and Shining Wizard makes them do certain movement that can give you a tell of which is coming
I personally have a good time "guessing" between them
@@FGirao that's it! You guess! It's true 50/50.
Lowhigh did a series of challenges 1,5-2 years ago. And even korean pro can't break them on reaction in training mode "vacuum"
But one of the reasons why you are successful is because some set-up are favoured for one of the throws. + King players are generally pretty dumb and can't do iSW until really high ranks (waaaaaay later than Dragunovs with iWR2). AK players a little bit smarter and much more skillful however
@@sadpug9398 training mode inputs are instant, making no movement, that way they cant simulate real players
Try to make a player input giant swing and SW and youll see the difference
@@FGirao that's why there is buffer. You can't react if (for example) AK masks the input behind df1 recovery
@@FGirao It's a true 50/50.
You can have a "good time" guessing, mostly because it's precisely that, a 50/50.
It's easy to get a good streak with breaking 50/50's.
But at the bottom of it, 50/50's are so fucking strong in a competitive scene.
This is my weakness
why not just duck everything?
Im just your everyday regular casual Tekken player and I can break throws on reaction. Here is how i learned how to do it. Go to practise mode, pick any character then pick Jin as opponent. Have him do his 1+2 grab, 2 grab, 1 grab, hell sweep, db 4 (block and use best punish for your character, not just ws 4) block, break and punish all. This is rrreeeaalllyy difficult. Start slow if its too difficult, like just make him do 1 grab and 2 grab only, nothing else. Practise that, then keep adding stuff. Thats how i learned to break on reaction. The hardest version is 2 grab, 1+2 grab, 1 grab, hs, ewgh (duck on reaction or ss it) dont panic duck or duck everything for no reason. Welcome the next move as an easy challenge (the mindset you should try to have) and beat it.
Duck ewhf on reaction?
No
@@Ellegedly Yes
@@iroxz251 OK well if you can duck ewhf, ewgf, and jin/devil Jim heellsweeps then I look forward to see you winning EVO
@@Ellegedly It's practice mode, its not evo... you can react to the animation of a crouch dash... if not then emm.... youre not good enough as Lei says
@@iroxz251 But that's reacting to the crouch dash animation not the hookfist itself. What if he does that same crouch dash animation into the mid launcher or cancels it into a mid instead? I agree about learning to break the throws though. The practice pays off.
Ehrenmann
What is you talking about I’m on PlayStation wth is 1,2
1 is square and 2 is triangle
Them pros spamming command grabs on low ranks
im a victim of this thats why im here now lmao
I'd be lying my ass off if said I can break command grabs on reaction by looking at the animation of the arms in an actual fight. If I break throws it's mostly because someone is doing the same one or two, they're being predictable, and I know the break.
Makes no sense why you have THREE BUTTON TO COUNTER WHEN YOU JUST NEED BOTH OR 1
Can we get some love for Yoshimitsu please.....
Or just install the cheat software that auto-breaks throws like half the people on pc have which bamco will not do anything about!
It's so stupid that nothing in the game itself explains this critical information.
I think its really cringe that king has the ability to take three quarters of your hp with the chain throws just by pressing a few button combination
Man if only you could sit in training mode rather then warm up mode when queuing up. I wouldn't find this to be so obnoxious then...
Yeahhh I'd like to be able to test frames on block while waiting for an online opponent.
It doesnt matter which arm is extended, left or right. Either 1 or 2 work to break it.
That applies to regular 1+3 and 2+4 grabs, not command grabs
not with command grabs, generic grabs (1+3) and (2+4) can be escaped with either 1 or 2, but command grabs have specific throw brakes like Giant Swing: 1, tombstone: 2, anna's df df 1 : 1 and so on
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The title literally says command throws. That's not going to work
And this mechanic is one of the reasons why King and AK are braindead (I didn't say AK is easy, just braindead as every single grappler in existence) - they have true throw mix-up
until the higher ranks, certainly.
I have 1,1k hours in this game and whenever I get grabbed I just spam 123412334234124124
Lol same.
I honestly cant believe this is reliably reactable when you are already constantly focusing on lows or characters like devil jin who obscure half of the screen with their model or yknow...the camera just being jank. Not to mention characters with strong jab pressure how can someone reliably distinguish 3 different throw animations when youre already busy dealing with jin's 2 21 214 2144 mindgames that start from the same arms? Not to mention 21 step/uf2/d4/parry.. it just doesnt sound humanly possible without atleast overloading some part of the opponent of the opponents brain. And even after all this it seems like a terrible gameplay decision. 11f 15% knockdown unblockables for new players and an almost useless tool as soon as you fight legacy players? Just teaches newcomers terrible habits, no? And dont get me started on 1+2 breaks being impossible to break without specifically binding 1+2 to a button. Lost so many games to fahks and kazumi 1+2 wallsplat because i tried to manually press both 2 and 1 together
Don't you think you're too late for this kind of video
Yeah like T7 is 5 years old and that's a beginner guide.
King and armor king throws are flat out busted what a joke the giant swing is a one break but looks like 1+2 break bro straight bs 🤬🤬🤬🤬
are you kidding?)) there is no way to see what arm, left or right in real fight, that thing is impossible for react to
For 95% of players, sure, but pros and high level players clearly can see them.
@@jamessummers5936 no man, they can't, it's just predict thing, most crabs can be escaped by 1+2, only few chars like king, drag, paul required a bit more work to escaping of their throws, even monsters like Knee cant react this stuff all the time
@@44Renegade44 That's not how that works bud. The point of being able to react to throws isn't to become a super human and break every single throw. No human is going to do that. The point is to be able to break most throws that are thrown at you. So yes, even Knee and Arslan may get hit by a throw every once in a while, but they break most of them because they *can* react.
@@44Renegade44 Not everytime, but majority of the time pros/high level players can see the limbs, that's why I've heard RIP on commentary call out the throw break when a player breaks it or how I've seen matches where pros will go back and forth and each pro will break a throw like 5 times back to back.
I've even heard pros lightweight complain about how easy throw breaks are in T7.
I've seen Knee duck damn near ever throw attempt in matches, stand up and 10 frame punish because he's able to react to the throw animations. You and me, we can't react to the limbs, but that doesn't mean everyone can't.
@@44Renegade44 Predicting my ass, you think JDCR, Knee, and Anakin are just guessing throws???? Yeah good luck breaking 90% of the throws from Devil Jin, who has generic throws, 1, 2, 1+2 command throws. You think knee won the match just by guessing when he was against Anakin's jack? Do you realize how many throws Jack has? You think Knee could almost beat JDCR's drag without being able to react to drag's all throws?
Just duck bro 🤡🤡🤡
hum you didnt explain shit but ok
Such a trash game mechanic. Enabling cheese for money is not the answer
I spent hours practicing bro no lie, the only thing that helps me break throws is the situation I’m in honestly. Like if Josie or Fahk grabs at the wall I know it’s 1+2. But I can’t reaction break right now 🫤
You have to keep practicing in practice mode, that's what I did. Because I can guarantee if your opponent notices you always press 1+2, they'll just change it up.