Personally I think Georgid and the Mythical lizerman should be S+ Tier with Taras and Harima in terms of carry. Rotos should drop to S tier since he gets countered so easily in live arena. But I think you selected S+ tier nukers who can takes a few hits without support
just from the explanation of S tier, i think rotos goes down to S tier and the lizard goes up to S+ . i find rotos is very hard to get value out of when counter picked with udk or harima
you mention it yourself , 'if counter picked' . You're basically prepping yourself against rotos because you know that if you don't, you get absolutely run over by him.
Yeah, he says the S tier category is defined by champs that can be easily countered and nowadays, that's Rotos. He's really biased towards Rotos and we know that but this is way too blatant lol
@@asdfasdf-dg2qx in live you have to either draft champs with the intention of picking rotos, or ban champs with the intention of using rotos, you don’t have to do this with tara’s or harima , so i think he’s at least a tier below then
@@sandrogue10 key point there is "easily" i run rotos as my main nuker and while harima or udk is annoying, thats about it just annoying, rotos can still easily blow through teams that have either or both of them on it
I main roots, wukong and candyphone in LA, I think candy cane move to A tier. He is very tank if pair with duchess, or vs speed team, very user friendly. His 2hit A1 hit very hard. His weakness still harima the bitch....
Nice try but just no. Hits hard and ignores kinda counters lockout but that is it. No other self sustain or utility. How do you justify Gharol over a Georgid? For example
The disrespect for my dear turvold, and valk and cruetraxa down there in the dumpster section along with foli, he wants to start a beef with me 😂😂🤣🤣Although i agree that they all need a buff along with the mountain king that you mentioned. Foli is barely usable atm, he doesnt hit as hard and his aoe is only double hit on 1 target, at least make it fully double hit aoe, i have seeing a lot of wukong + udk defenses in classic and 3x3 and i'm forced to use my wukong to sheep their udk so that i can foli block revive their wukong. That's my only option for block revive, the others just doesnt work, mortu just sits there taking slaps to the face and bloodgorged cannot kill anything (his multipliers sucks!), you read his kit you think his a3 is gonna insta delete anyone then you test it, what a joke! lol. Great video Shini, i'll admit that Turvold is hard to use, definely he needs a team built to support him, but if you can make it work, he can delete anyone.
No Souless or Konstantin? Also Mortu is really bad in Live arena IMO . He's like a Low C tier in my eyes . And while it's debatable I still think Ragash must be in S tier since he brings way too much utility and damage compared to other DEF nukers.
@@diegoperez-ej8zj which arena level are you in and where about in the game are you ? Because my harima with 8k defence etc gets smacked silly by almost every taras. Can't have the hardest hitter be the best defender also.
Gharol doesn't have a chance to hit twice. She can hit many times. In arena she has won me games because my arbiter revived and used her a2 and then gharol joined the attack and hit 4-5 times with her A1 AND WON ME THE GAME
Great video! I’m glad to see and hear your opinion. I also think Foli might be C tier but also very very situationally S tier. For instance against a speed team using Kymar. You ban their booster and or their main booster if running 2 and if Kymar tries to sleep your foli he may cut in front of the nukers and end a fight in seconds
Oooooh man.... I have to say that Leorius and Xena are a couple levels too low especially Leoprius! Now if you're refering to Nukjer in damage mode than I can understand why Hegemon is on lower tiers but as far as Live arena goes, Hegemon changes the game in live arena to give the Nukers the a helping hand..
maybe helicath tormin and candraphon, 1 for each damage type should be easier to gear. Helicath and tormin are both good and kinda situational but i do use helicath alot more.
No block revive, no ignore ally protect, no other utility. Lower damage than some of the picks here. Either that or not being void so can weak hit. My gnishak for example hits way harder than trunda and is at least situationally a good pick. Wukong is just superior choice rn
People who don’t have taras think he’s too tough,Georgie’s scarier than him🤣he’s good but not that good how yall think,very easy to control him,with Marichka tho,it’s different And hellicat in s tier?funny
@@frickxnas Considering I use him to block revive champs like udk and rotos right under plat,, gold 3 eve, and in gold live, without his buddy vlad, I suggest you reconsider that.
No he isn't, his passive doesn't ignore Harimas passive, Narses doesn't ignore her passive either. The reason is because Harimas passive doesn't interact directly with the damage dealt. She lowers the defense ignored with the end result being less damage dealt. However both Karato and Narses only ignore passives that DIRECTLY influence the damage. This has been tested and confirmed.
@@dukekessler6292 Thank you, I didnt know that. I have good experiense with him agains Harima, but I guess the Yumeko pairing and the the affinity makes it work.
hephrak is very niche, he is only really good if you can get his passive nuke off, and if he doesnt do atleast 50% in 1 hit he then hits like a wet noodle, iv never had an issue with hephraks in normal or live arena
I wouldnt say she is bad but she does average damage without any ridiculous utility, she can kill some squishy targets trough nekhret sometimes and reset the cooldowns of her skills which is pretty good but there is alot more powerfull champions than that out there.
Na i dont want to make a determination without letting it play out for a while and lots of people using them and collectively seeing how they work. I dont think wight king is going to be in the s tiers tho except maybe situational S / A based on my current impression. He seems more like a taras check or mild counter rather than meta defining monster like taras, but maybe ill change my mind.
ruclips.net/video/BVT59uckHSY/видео.htmlsi=HMUFQ1EzTYxl9MQs i have one, its one of my first videos so the microphone and just my speaking isnt the best but it does go trough some math and has charts in it. Maybe ill do updated version of it later this year just to make it look and sound better but the information on the video hasnt changed at all in past year other than some new champion match ups etc.
Dropped right to the bottom of G4 after the patch as I expected. Using Harima and Fatalis in go 2nd teams(very slow account) doesn't really work anymore due to the time limit change. A large number of players now simply cannot help themselves from stalling as soon as they realize they won't win. Not really their fault, reducing the time limit while keeping a 15 second time bank per every turn is just mindblowing stupidity on Plariums part. Any nuker that has a long ramp up time to hit the win condition just got a lot worse(in G4 at least), so essentially yet another indirect buff to Taras who really did not need any help.
My man timit making the tier list! Hell yeah!
Personally I think Georgid and the Mythical lizerman should be S+ Tier with Taras and Harima in terms of carry. Rotos should drop to S tier since he gets countered so easily in live arena. But I think you selected S+ tier nukers who can takes a few hits without support
just from the explanation of S tier, i think rotos goes down to S tier and the lizard goes up to S+ . i find rotos is very hard to get value out of when counter picked with udk or harima
you mention it yourself , 'if counter picked' . You're basically prepping yourself against rotos because you know that if you don't, you get absolutely run over by him.
Yeah, he says the S tier category is defined by champs that can be easily countered and nowadays, that's Rotos. He's really biased towards Rotos and we know that but this is way too blatant lol
@@asdfasdf-dg2qx in live you have to either draft champs with the intention of picking rotos, or ban champs with the intention of using rotos, you don’t have to do this with tara’s or harima , so i think he’s at least a tier below then
@@sandrogue10 key point there is "easily" i run rotos as my main nuker and while harima or udk is annoying, thats about it just annoying, rotos can still easily blow through teams that have either or both of them on it
Your influenced by ur rotos, he s not S+.
Garol is S or S+. The Lizard, too. Candy is still great nuker, at least S situationnaly.
Gharol is s. Lizard is s+ only in super high arena with insane gear. Candy is A tier.
I main roots, wukong and candyphone in LA, I think candy cane move to A tier.
He is very tank if pair with duchess, or vs speed team, very user friendly. His 2hit A1 hit very hard. His weakness still harima the bitch....
no genbo?
Gharol is top tier. Right up there next to Tara’s
Nice try but just no. Hits hard and ignores kinda counters lockout but that is it.
No other self sustain or utility. How do you justify Gharol over a Georgid? For example
The disrespect for my dear turvold, and valk and cruetraxa down there in the dumpster section along with foli, he wants to start a beef with me 😂😂🤣🤣Although i agree that they all need a buff along with the mountain king that you mentioned. Foli is barely usable atm, he doesnt hit as hard and his aoe is only double hit on 1 target, at least make it fully double hit aoe, i have seeing a lot of wukong + udk defenses in classic and 3x3 and i'm forced to use my wukong to sheep their udk so that i can foli block revive their wukong. That's my only option for block revive, the others just doesnt work, mortu just sits there taking slaps to the face and bloodgorged cannot kill anything (his multipliers sucks!), you read his kit you think his a3 is gonna insta delete anyone then you test it, what a joke! lol. Great video Shini, i'll admit that Turvold is hard to use, definely he needs a team built to support him, but if you can make it work, he can delete anyone.
No Souless or Konstantin? Also Mortu is really bad in Live arena IMO . He's like a Low C tier in my eyes . And while it's debatable I still think Ragash must be in S tier since he brings way too much utility and damage compared to other DEF nukers.
I'd put Taras SS+, its a joke.
Ehhh taras is strong af no doubt but he's maneagble
The duo is the big problem
Coming from someone who has taras
@@diegoperez-ej8zj which arena level are you in and where about in the game are you ? Because my harima with 8k defence etc gets smacked silly by almost every taras. Can't have the hardest hitter be the best defender also.
@iTurniKill I'm pretty end game. Playing almost 4 years, gold 3 in live arena. Usually taras isn't the problem when I fight people who use him
@@diegoperez-ej8zj can you do some LA videos ? I'd like to see what you're running vs him and how it works.
@@iTurniKill i can do screenshots or talk about it on discord? i dont really have the time nore desire to do videos
I'd love to see a part 2 of this video where you offer the same kind of insights for the C tier champs in the list. Thanks for the in depth analysis!
Gharol doesn't have a chance to hit twice. She can hit many times. In arena she has won me games because my arbiter revived and used her a2 and then gharol joined the attack and hit 4-5 times with her A1 AND WON ME THE GAME
Great video! I’m glad to see and hear your opinion. I also think Foli might be C tier but also very very situationally S tier. For instance against a speed team using Kymar. You ban their booster and or their main booster if running 2 and if Kymar tries to sleep your foli he may cut in front of the nukers and end a fight in seconds
Agreed
Oooooh man.... I have to say that Leorius and Xena are a couple levels too low especially Leoprius! Now if you're refering to Nukjer in damage mode than I can understand why Hegemon is on lower tiers but as far as Live arena goes, Hegemon changes the game in live arena to give the Nukers the a helping hand..
Watched all the way through, only subcribed because you asked. JK good video.
Helicath/Wukong/Tormin/Gaius/Mortu/Candraphon are my best options for all type of arena... who should I focus on most? 🤔
maybe helicath tormin and candraphon, 1 for each damage type should be easier to gear. Helicath and tormin are both good and kinda situational but i do use helicath alot more.
what about trunda, she doesn't even make it to the list?
No block revive, no ignore ally protect, no other utility. Lower damage than some of the picks here. Either that or not being void so can weak hit.
My gnishak for example hits way harder than trunda and is at least situationally a good pick.
Wukong is just superior choice rn
@@Lilliana1the last time I played the game trunda was the best nuker.
ill put leo higher
No doubt he's way to low
People who don’t have taras think he’s too tough,Georgie’s scarier than him🤣he’s good but not that good how yall think,very easy to control him,with Marichka tho,it’s different
And hellicat in s tier?funny
That must be why 90% of plat defenses in the top 50 use Taras right? Because he isn't that tough and is "easy to control". Maybe in the dumpster.
Every arena fight they ban helicath. He is s tier coz he is support too and against some teams he is a nightmare to face
No Errol? Interesting
where is noghdar the headhunter here?
The no hurndig bias😢
The long awaited tier list!
Konstantin? I don't see him listed.
Because he is c tier without any special use. At least without vlad.
@@frickxnas Considering I use him to block revive champs like udk and rotos right under plat,, gold 3 eve, and in gold live, without his buddy vlad, I suggest you reconsider that.
where is KArato? Dude is the perfect Harima counter!
No he isn't, his passive doesn't ignore Harimas passive, Narses doesn't ignore her passive either.
The reason is because Harimas passive doesn't interact directly with the damage dealt. She lowers the defense ignored with the end result being less damage dealt. However both Karato and Narses only ignore passives that DIRECTLY influence the damage. This has been tested and confirmed.
@@dukekessler6292 Thank you, I didnt know that. I have good experiense with him agains Harima, but I guess the Yumeko pairing and the the affinity makes it work.
why no gala on this list :
How come hephrak is so low seems better than a lot in his own tier.
hephrak is very niche, he is only really good if you can get his passive nuke off, and if he doesnt do atleast 50% in 1 hit he then hits like a wet noodle, iv never had an issue with hephraks in normal or live arena
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have 10 champions from this list, but dont have any from S+ 😂
Supreme elhain that bad?
I wouldnt say she is bad but she does average damage without any ridiculous utility, she can kill some squishy targets trough nekhret sometimes and reset the cooldowns of her skills which is pretty good but there is alot more powerfull champions than that out there.
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Thanks Shini.
Lazarius S+ no doubt, i choose over harima every match
No Siegfrund 😢
No testing done on narses/wight queen combo in pvp? Not even a 'temp rating' from test server play?
Na i dont want to make a determination without letting it play out for a while and lots of people using them and collectively seeing how they work. I dont think wight king is going to be in the s tiers tho except maybe situational S / A based on my current impression. He seems more like a taras check or mild counter rather than meta defining monster like taras, but maybe ill change my mind.
Xena in a full rathalos set is pretty bonkers
No Gala???
nop ; D
Have some rotos guide? I think that i have him bad equipped 😢
ruclips.net/video/BVT59uckHSY/видео.htmlsi=HMUFQ1EzTYxl9MQs i have one, its one of my first videos so the microphone and just my speaking isnt the best but it does go trough some math and has charts in it. Maybe ill do updated version of it later this year just to make it look and sound better but the information on the video hasnt changed at all in past year other than some new champion match ups etc.
Dropped right to the bottom of G4 after the patch as I expected. Using Harima and Fatalis in go 2nd teams(very slow account) doesn't really work anymore due to the time limit change. A large number of players now simply cannot help themselves from stalling as soon as they realize they won't win. Not really their fault, reducing the time limit while keeping a 15 second time bank per every turn is just mindblowing stupidity on Plariums part. Any nuker that has a long ramp up time to hit the win condition just got a lot worse(in G4 at least), so essentially yet another indirect buff to Taras who really did not need any help.
Damn, no respect for Georgid and Wu Kong
They are s tier. What do you mean?
No konstantine?
Foli is s situational vs wukong
That is the only thing he can do otherwise he would be d tier. Also, if wukong has some protection in doubt foli can even kill him
After the fortus fix i would put him either situationally s tier or in b tier. Depending on the test of the team
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Need a new tier list with Nareses