It didn't really matter if Uhtred was right or not - he drew his sword in the presence of the king and that is punishable by death. So everything he had to say became irrelevant in that moment. Also...he was warned about someone else taking his glory if he's not there to claim it for himself. But he didn't believe it. Uhtred is a great character but also very naive.
the fact that he isnt perfect and actually grows throughout the series is what makes him a well written character. Too often the main character is 100% perfect and always acts rational
I know I'm judging Medeival practices by modern standards, but death seems a little harsh for what Uhtred did. There's no investigation, no lawyers, no trial, etc. I wonder what Alfred would've thought of concepts like due process, the right to not incriminate yourself, being judged by a jury of your peers, separation of church and state, right to free speech, democratic government, checks and balances... One man is not an absolute authority just because he wears a stupid crown on his head.
Back in those days, I believe his people were mainly ruled by religion so separation of church and state would've been appalling to someone like Alfred. And yes there's the crown too, but for many kingdoms the king was a either a human representation of a god or one who spoke in god's name, so his word was law and threatening him came down to threatening or opposing God (good thing things changed, mostly o.o)
So something you should understand though is that Even though Uhtred had the right to be upset. He brought a sword into a holy ceremony and then he unsheeved his sword in front of the king without permission. That is against the law and would be a death sentence. But Alfred was merciful and spares Uhtred's life. Uhtred is too arrogant and prideful to realize that he could have died and the Grovel punishment was the only way Alfred could save his life. Alfred knows how valuable a warrior Uhtred can be. And I'm sure someone as smart as Alfred understands that Uhtred is telling the truth. But Odda claimed the credit and that's all there is to it. Uhtred should have brought this up calmly to Alfred. But instead he came throwing a fit and swinging his sword around... Uhtred needs to be calmer because in the Saxon world humility is key to success. Unfortunately Uhtred is a Viking at heart and he doesn't understand how Christian customs work... Also killing the guy at the end was unnecessary but at the same time warranted. The man was stealing for sure, but Uhtred used "Dane" law over Saxon law in this situation. He is only making himself look worse. If Uhtred was a bit smarter and calmer he would be more successful in getting what he wants. But instead he's acting like a child when he doesn't get his way. It may not be fair to him, but he's not doing himself any favors by acting recklessly either.
Oh we definitely understand that n.n we talked about this more after the episode, but Uthred is very quick to anger and he doesn't think before he acts (he's clearly not helping himself here D:)
@@irirodrigues6834 true, without Uhtred the dream of Alfred's would be harder to achieve. That still doesn't give Uhtred the right to behave so arrogant and rash though. Season 1 shows Uhtred at his worst mentally. He has a lot of growing to do
Yeah, Uthred is naive in that he's raised in Dane society and believes he can act the same way in the Saxon one and expect the same result. And he's too unwilling to compromise even a little. It would've been much easier on him had he for example only left his sword outside before barging into a Mass. Few things are as sacrilegious as bringing violence into the house of God.
When you said 'at least he's quick on his feet', I said Ouch! Don't mention feet😁 As for Alfred and his war strategy for fighting the Danes, well that's exactly why he brought on Uhtred. For that specifically.
I love ur reactions, I have to say, this show will getting better and better, I have watching this show 5 times, I want to do more, so I think that you will love this show each series! xo
I love that you all have not read the books, so that when you say stuff like "He [Uhtred] is not an experienced fighter" I can't help but laugh😅😅😃!! By this time in the books Uhtred, a young man of 18-19 when he fought Ubba, and he had already been in a shieldwall & battles with Ragnar the Fearless. He was young with quick reflexes and got lucky when Ubba tripped on someone's guts & gave him an opening to kill him
Yeah, I was going off of something he said before (how he'd technically never been tested in battle) but for sure, we'll be clueless to what the books have explored (and what the show might not ;) ) That makes things more interesting in the comments xD
It didn't really matter if Uhtred was right or not - he drew his sword in the presence of the king and that is punishable by death. So everything he had to say became irrelevant in that moment. Also...he was warned about someone else taking his glory if he's not there to claim it for himself. But he didn't believe it. Uhtred is a great character but also very naive.
And stubborn. Even more so in the books.
the fact that he isnt perfect and actually grows throughout the series is what makes him a well written character. Too often the main character is 100% perfect and always acts rational
@@ducksauce9187 I agree 100%. I love Uthred because he's complex and flawed. He has amazing development.
I know I'm judging Medeival practices by modern standards, but death seems a little harsh for what Uhtred did. There's no investigation, no lawyers, no trial, etc. I wonder what Alfred would've thought of concepts like due process, the right to not incriminate yourself, being judged by a jury of your peers, separation of church and state, right to free speech, democratic government, checks and balances... One man is not an absolute authority just because he wears a stupid crown on his head.
Back in those days, I believe his people were mainly ruled by religion so separation of church and state would've been appalling to someone like Alfred. And yes there's the crown too, but for many kingdoms the king was a either a human representation of a god or one who spoke in god's name, so his word was law and threatening him came down to threatening or opposing God (good thing things changed, mostly o.o)
So something you should understand though is that Even though Uhtred had the right to be upset. He brought a sword into a holy ceremony and then he unsheeved his sword in front of the king without permission. That is against the law and would be a death sentence. But Alfred was merciful and spares Uhtred's life. Uhtred is too arrogant and prideful to realize that he could have died and the Grovel punishment was the only way Alfred could save his life. Alfred knows how valuable a warrior Uhtred can be. And I'm sure someone as smart as Alfred understands that Uhtred is telling the truth. But Odda claimed the credit and that's all there is to it. Uhtred should have brought this up calmly to Alfred. But instead he came throwing a fit and swinging his sword around... Uhtred needs to be calmer because in the Saxon world humility is key to success. Unfortunately Uhtred is a Viking at heart and he doesn't understand how Christian customs work...
Also killing the guy at the end was unnecessary but at the same time warranted. The man was stealing for sure, but Uhtred used "Dane" law over Saxon law in this situation. He is only making himself look worse. If Uhtred was a bit smarter and calmer he would be more successful in getting what he wants. But instead he's acting like a child when he doesn't get his way.
It may not be fair to him, but he's not doing himself any favors by acting recklessly either.
Oh we definitely understand that n.n we talked about this more after the episode, but Uthred is very quick to anger and he doesn't think before he acts (he's clearly not helping himself here D:)
Without Uthred there would be no kingdom!
@@irirodrigues6834 true, without Uhtred the dream of Alfred's would be harder to achieve. That still doesn't give Uhtred the right to behave so arrogant and rash though. Season 1 shows Uhtred at his worst mentally. He has a lot of growing to do
Yeah, Uthred is naive in that he's raised in Dane society and believes he can act the same way in the Saxon one and expect the same result. And he's too unwilling to compromise even a little. It would've been much easier on him had he for example only left his sword outside before barging into a Mass. Few things are as sacrilegious as bringing violence into the house of God.
When you said 'at least he's quick on his feet', I said Ouch! Don't mention feet😁
As for Alfred and his war strategy for fighting the Danes, well that's exactly why he brought on Uhtred. For that specifically.
I love ur reactions, I have to say, this show will getting better and better, I have watching this show 5 times, I want to do more, so I think that you will love this show each series! xo
I love that you all have not read the books, so that when you say stuff like "He [Uhtred] is not an experienced fighter" I can't help but laugh😅😅😃!! By this time in the books Uhtred, a young man of 18-19 when he fought Ubba, and he had already been in a shieldwall & battles with Ragnar the Fearless. He was young with quick reflexes and got lucky when Ubba tripped on someone's guts & gave him an opening to kill him
Yeah, I was going off of something he said before (how he'd technically never been tested in battle) but for sure, we'll be clueless to what the books have explored (and what the show might not ;) )
That makes things more interesting in the comments xD
Chris, you sound so wise!
Thank you :D
thank you for your reactions!
You're welcome x3
Uhtred should've grabbed Ubba's axe so Young Odda couldn't claim the credit.
still not ready to say goodbye to vikings? irish jesus(on youtube) had a couple small parts in it, and put out a couple videos on his experiences
RIP Ubba Lothbrok