The most shocking about La Signora is that she could had server as parallel / mirror with Ei. Inazuma's main theme is grief and how allow emotion to fester unhealthy can cause to one's mental health can affect someone and how they see the world. + They both were suffered the loss of loved ones. + They became the "mask" they wore to hide their emotions. A.K.A Rosalyna became Signora. / Ei became the Raiden Shogun. + However, they had different ways to cope with their grief. La Signora's is using anger and haugtiness, while Ei basically detached herself from the world. Amazing analysis!
She's kinda Genshin's Mecha Frieza as well, was a threat in Monstadt and her fight, is killed off so easily to show that the antagonist is so much stronger than that by Raiden Shogun one-shotting her not even leaving a body. Never a threat again (Well Pre-Super existence for Frieza anyway, Signora is just dead.)
Signora was wasted so badly... Not gonna lie, i like her so much more than Scara. I genuinelly think Signora deserved a redemption more than him sometimes (even if i agree that he can be redeemed... Just not in the way Hoyo did it).
I remember in the Fatui trailer, the chess pieces symbolise the Fatui and the archons. Signora was represented as a pawn and downed chess piece, meaning that her death was part of the Tsaritsa's grand plan. Perhaps it could serve a meaning later on in the story? Of course, it's just speculation, and I still agree that even if that was the case her death could be done better, they could have revealed her backstory before the fight so that her death would at least have some emotional impact, and her characterisation wouldn't just be a villain who died for no reason.
I'm still sad about the wasted potential the Signora feels, when I find her past very interesting and the fact that it hasn't been taken advantage of is very sad.
I keep wondering if they cut parts of Inazuma just to fit into a specific length and 3 act structure, because I don't understand how many things are poorly developed in this story and because of how interesting and potential it has for conflict.
I feel like hoyo used signora to hype up the shogun. It’s honestly upsetting that “the shogun is so strong that she killed one of the 11 fatui harbingers!!!!!!!!!” I NEED signora to come back. Even if she only gets a banner similar to characters in hi3.
Signoras death genuinely felt so unnecessary. It isn’t that she died that’s the issue, it’s the way it’s just so…pointless. She gets zero closure, we don’t learn her amazing backstory, the character who killed her, Raiden has zero connection to her story so it feels incomplete to have her being the one kill her, etc. If anything Signoras death felt like just a cheap excuse to add something interesting to Inazuma act III
Perhaps the funniest thing about Signora is that she died/left the story as a Villain: no remorse, no redemption, no pity for her. I point this out because it has been a debate in the Community that the Harbingers are being humanized (or they are being whitewashed in the sense that their crimes/evil actions are being swept under the rug). This, perhaps, with the intention of making them Playable but taking away the appeal that the Group had at the beginning: being villains or irredeemable/evil beings. It would be a good idea for a future video to talk about the Harbingers (as a Group) and see if this sudden change from villains to compassionate/humanized Characters is correct or bad writting.
I think humanizing your villains is important bc the depth- but the bad writing comes in when it’s an excuse for what they do. Like “XXX tried to blow up a city!” “But they were nice to me” Like sure X was nice to YOU but that is no excuse for them trying to nuke a city. If genshin treats it like this(and a good chunk if the villains are) then I don’t think it’s bad to humanize characters you’re also trying to sell
It's especially infuriating with Arlecchino. Are we forgetting a key aspect of her entire character? She runs a cult-ish group of child soldiers. She is willing to depose of morals to achieve her goals. She would have murdered Furina in cold blood if she didn't realize the Gnosis wasn't on her. She is not "ultimately a good person" because she has empathy sometimes.
@@pureteddybear_ Finally someone else says it. The community treats her like she's some saint for the Orphanage after she killed Crucabena. I wish they kept the route where she was literally an insane Person, killing every Child that dares to betray her by running away. (At least, I think that was implied before)
@@Squiggles. Precisely. We can all sit here and agree that Crucabena was worse than Arlecchino. That doesn't make Arlecchino good. We also need to remember that in her story quest, she only granted the defectors from the House the non-death way out because she commended the battle prowess of the Traveler and the Lyney trio. I wanted to believe she does this for all defectors, but it's simply not true.
Also adding to my above comment: Arlecchino's entire organization is derived from this idea that by seeking a better home and life in her care, suffering, innocent children have made an unbreakable oath of loyalty to her. It's horrendous.
THANK U FOR LINKING THE ANIMATION IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR IT!!! But all that aside, I LOVE how you rewrote Signora it makes a lot of sense..Cuz as far as I know we don’t know who made the delusions, and so it would make sense Signora made them!!! Thanks for another great video
I think if mondstadt had came out now instead of being the first nation (or if the story was a little longer), we could've had signora's backstory there, it being artifact locked seems like a waste to me and a lot of people don't know her story because of it. At least they learnt their lesson with scara because they showed his backstory like 3 times in the sumeru archon quest xD
It's so baffling when a character gets used as plot armor, literally the laziest and cheapest way to dispose of a character. Signoras dead was so useless it affected nothing in the story. Justice for the original fatui Baddie.
honestly, venti is my favourite character so i'm very biased against her, i really don't like her & was thrilled to see her go. i'm moreso annoyed that we never really got vengeance for venti, i would have liked to deal with her personally, but inazuma's scrambled writing didn't allow for that i suppose i'm moreso surprised that they killed off such a popular character. to this day, there are people who lament (omg xiao?) her death because of how undeniably impressive her design was; i think my answer as to why is because she's meant to be the cocolia expy, & (SPOILERS FOR ALL NON-HSR/HI3 PLAYERS) cocolia dies in EVERY hoyoverse. HSR, HI3. even in HI3, i believe she did something with wendy?? dunno, didn't really play HI3 much, but she's always in cahoots with the wind people near the start of the game lol; but that's no excuse either, as i don't know if you've played HSR, but cocolia was brilliant i like your re-telling because it gave signora purpose with the delusions, also it gave some meaning to her research; even NPCs like caribert feel like they has something meaningful to add. all signora did was be somewhat unlikeable, then leave-- i don't even sympathise with her, because i just don't like her whatsoever. good job on the re-write, shame that we got cocolia's worst incarnation, i really hope that the tsaritsa has an interesting voiceline to share regarding signora considering that bronya & cocolia are always related somehow in hoyo games (i'd be surrpised if the tsaritsa wasn't a bronya expy)
vengeance for venti? for just a kick in the stomach? i love venti too, but if we take into account he was the person that should've defended mondstadt the most when rostam and the knights were dealing with the abyss, then the kick was very justifiable. surely you dont think an archon (and venti of all people) couldnt stop the 8th rank harbinger if he wanted to
@@tomatuteeei feel like we lack context, therefore i feel it was unjustified, but i might be missing something here- not sure, i’m definitely not the person to ask about signora lore 😅
@@Juice-chan Signora is the Crimson Witch of Flames from the Pyro artifact set. During the abyss invasion 500 years ago, she was studying in the Akademiya when her lover, Rostam, died in Mondstadt. We know now that all the Archons were around and protecting their nations during the disaster, so it's no wonder she blames Venti for being absent and therefore responsible for her lover's death. She goes on a revenge spree by turning into liquid flame and eradicating all abyss monsters herself, but when she realises she's not able to rein it in anymore, she hides herself away until she's discovered by the Fatui and granted her Cryo delusion to control her power.
I so feel like things would be better if the story just acknowledged her story, if it went the rough of her being consumed by her "mask" and genuinely she was just a bad person now loosing her original reason for joining the fatui, or that she did so bad but it was because the world (and gods to her) were so cruel (like what you said) but we got nothing like that, her story is just a "neat" backstory that is not acknowledged Another thing i think is that genshin does try to not acknowledge how bad the playable fatui (like morally and what they actually do from assasinations, killing kids, controlling nations, manipulation etc) are so the story writers just kinda axed her as they didn't know how to sweep them under the rug like they planned to do for the others given they blatantly showed her cruelty 2 times at that point for pretty serious things Or they just didn't know how to reduce her model to a playable state and didn't want to make a unique model just for her so they axed her for convenient as that was easier We may never know
Don't get me started on version 2 bruv. Inazuma is 100% the lowest point in Genshin in term of everything. Exploration, story, characters, quests, etc.
still being delusional about a signora return in natlan where we get to see her backstory. it wont happen but i'm hoping anyway. your rewrite was so much better than what we got. signora's one of my favourite characters, so i was disappointed at how badly the execution of her death was
One lore bit to consider about Signora is that her Crimson Witch powers seem to be based on, or at least similar in nature to Arlecchino's Crimson Moon curse. You can look at her arms and how fire seems to flow within them as well as the similar colour palette. So either way Signora was destined to die whether it was by Lightning or Self-Immolation. Now, taking from one of the comments, Signora and Raiden had a lot in common so the story could've gone like this: - At first, Signora would behave as usual, very smug and arrogant as she sabotages both the Shogunate and Resistance. However, as she learns more about Raiden's past, whether it be through informants or Yae Miko, her mood would start to change. She would get more serious and less sassy, and she would be the reason why Scaramouche was in Inazuma to begin with as she requested his help in the Delusion factory as an excuse to learn another perspective of the Shogun. By the time the Traveler arrives to the throne room, Signora and Ei would be sitting in the middle drinking tea and talking about the Cataclysm. She would recount her past before becoming the Crimson Witch and how her lover's death blinded her with rage much like how Ei's grief kept her blind from the current situation in the nation. Despite both of Signora and our efforts to convince Ei, she refused, and so as a last attempt, Signora challenges us to the duel instead of us and loses on purpose in order to give her last words, a Final Lesson if you will: Live on, Ei. This would cause the puppet to slowly lose control and Ei begins to wake up. Another potential friend, one who could understand her and be for her, killed by her own hand once again.
Signora's storyline is one of the Disney villains like Maleficent something ~ she lost her lover she grief yeah fine but then the moment she turned herself into a liquid fire to protect Monstadt because Venti couldn't? (obviously, he couldn't because he's busy defeating DURIN) instead of receiving a "THANK YOU! YOU FXXKING SAVE OUR LIVES" she gets the "OMG A MONSTER!!! WE SCARED OF YOU NOW!! YOU ARE A WITCH!! PLEASE LEAVE MONSTADT!!!" -- and I was like errr??? what an ungrateful bunch of hypo?!?!?! Then there is Venti on his archon quest acting like a "SAVAGE," and his simps think he's cool for that because it rhymes! errr??? Do you know what SIGNORA needs? an apology! Like Venti could've simply said Thank you for protecting Monstadt and I'm sorry because I wasn't there. just like that? but the drunkard has the audacity to not remember and yet still act savage what a joke. Signora is a Maiden who sings for the crowd ofc, she's a loveable person! you heard it from Arlecchino's voice lines that she brings gifts to the children!
3:30 because teppie died traveller friendship with teppie was as important as any other playable characters travellers was ready to face Shogun for thoma meanwhile teppie literally died they wanted to avenge their friend
The reason why I love signora is because she wasnt morally bad like almost all genshin villains(specially the harbingers), she was an interesting and creative villain
Tbh signora had all the right to kick venti. I hate how the whole fanbase memes about signoras death while they proceed to baby scara, they both suffered equally imo
Abandoned by your mother shortly after birth and losing every friend you make betray and abandon you, vs losing your husband during the apocalypse. No they aren't the same
I'm not really a fan of Signora tbh, I felt she needed to go soon or later, at least her fight proved a challenge on the first go but she couldn't really stick around with bigger fish to fry.
Me personally am fine with how the story is since Signora is a character served her purpose in the story. With that being said I do like how you wrote how in a alternate way how it could have been but I do have to point out your use of future knowledge to rewrite past knowledge as contrivance and wouldn't work because of the Traveler's disposition to Signora since from the Traveler's pov Signora is someone that hurt their friend Venti, and took Zhongli Gnosis even though the Traveler couldn't do anything to stop here. But because of the past events and the death of our good friend when have more of a reason to fight Signora even in a surp of the moment we still have a reason to fight her. But this is all to say that Signora is a character that doesn't deserve a redemption for what redemption does she deserve cause she is a moth to a flame always fated to burn
Signora used strength against Anemo Archon and used contract against Geo Archon, but none of that will work against Eletro Archon. It kinda showed that the reason Traveler and Signora was alive at that moment was because Raiden allowed it. Signora's death is obviously used as plot device to show Raiden cruelty and strength and to show the gathering of the rest of Harbingers(escpecially their reaction to a dead comrade). I don't think it will work well if Signora ALSO gets Scara's treatment and turn good in some way, audience will find it repetitive. If Signora didn't die, she would run away for the 3rd times, and audience may find it repetitive as well.
I think its case and clear that Signora is part of the reason why the MC begins the journey after witnessing Venti getting his Gnosis stolen since Signora does leave an impression at first glance for any new people and motivation to settle the score along the line. But her ending was really bad though, hence why it feels like the only reason she got killed was to add a "Wow" factor to Raiden and hyping it. It didnt evoke nothing after her demise and it was just pretty awkward, nothing about her death really played a role into the story, just...Yamcha'd into Inazuma.
Welcome to hoyoverse games the place that their writers mostly ruin their villains for their weird/greedy or simp sakes. ( Pls hoyo don't redeem the doctor by the moment he's the only most evil harbinger so far , Even Nahida tells the traveler that he's a monster .. .. also arlecchino hates him too ... (I can imagine capitano's opnions of him ) if they redeem him like Otto from honkai , surelly they have the Naruto syndrome). Post data: Hopefully she comes back reborn as rosalyne.
6:35 I don't know if you meant the original Dottore here by the "segment" called Zandik, but I doubt that Dottore had segments so shortly after the Cataclysm. Researching Scaramouche's body was what allowed him to base his segments off of it and Kabukimono wasn't recruited or even created that early. I might be misunderstanding what you were saying here, though!
Well how should i put this if you see the thories and signora sub and what some of us theorise i have some news 👀,i also made some theories about her design and how the plot would go hmmm.
I personally don't agree with the sympathy given towards Signora, especially when people call for the Ei to be punished in the same breath. They both lost someone important to them in the cataclysm. However Signora lost her husband because he was a knight fighting a powerful dragon. Ei however lost four of her friends in rapid succession, having to fight at least one to the death before finding out her sister went to Khaenri'ah and then find her dead because she wasn't enough. Then she has to return to inazuma to pull it out of the apocalypse it found itself in. Getting into the reactions, one joins an organization that's often cruel it's subordinates, definitely cruel to the innocent people of the nations. Practices child experimentation or using child soldiers, often purposely making those orphans themselves. All of this is off the top of my head, not digging into all the terrible things the futui do. What about Ei, she decides to protect herself and her nation from a threat she can't fight. Did she make a few mistakes along the way, yes but compared to Signora who loss a lot less, she's doing a whole lot better
I think both of them deserve sympathy and punishment tbh. While Scara’s story is by no means perfect, we can look at that as what signora could’ve been(but a little different), being irredeemable, but sympathetic. She also says ‘I never asked for redemption,’ so we don’t need to give it to her. Raiden is similar in a way to how she DEF deserves sympathy for the stuff she went through then, but also ignoring the suffering of her people. She deserves punishment for those actions(and signora deserves punishment as well to be clear). Unfortunately murderers with sad pasts and still murderers and we have to treat them as such
I'm sorry but the whole "Signora was wasted" is just people simp for hot lady got kill she was in the perfect spot to be kill off - She got her personal revenge by kicking Venti for not done his job to protect her lover (in her PoV) - Her lover already dead a very long time ago so there is no point to "get him back" anyway - She join the Fatui by her will, no trick, no manipulation - She already been involved and appeared for 3 main region quest There just doesnt have any reason to keep her unless you want her to follow the "convert to the good side" if that the case, she will be a worse version of Scara Scara has a whole being lie to arc, being misunderstood arc, sacrifice arc and try to improve (NOT redemption) arc and yet people are still hate his character, Signora has none the only thing she has is "she was a good person until her lover die", what you guy want do with that? give her a new lover so she somehow join our side? or worse, make her love the traveler ? (Ew) Her death isn't wasted at all, not only it write off a character that already done their job, it also set up the motivation and conflict for future fatui harbingers ----------------------- I never understand the argument of "she just show up in Inazuma with no set up" - She has been appearing in the 2 previous main quest (Mond and Liyue) and done her job getting the gnosis, of couse the fatui gonna sent her to Inazuma next - At the begining of Inazuma, when we get stuck in Rito, Chisato literally told us her Father working with "a very arrogant-sounding woman" to not let us leave Rito I find it that it's the one time Hoyo make the travalier repeat the line intread of having Paimon say it out loud guess having Paimon say the obvious stuff is necessary after all - Later after we prove to Sara her clan betrayed the Shogun and work with the Fatui behind her back, she went straight to Takayuki and Takayuki told us "The Shogun is at Tenshukaku receiving a Snezhnayan diplomat - the Harbinger by the name of "Signora." is that enough reason to how Signora is in Tenshukaku? 3:36 why the travler want to launch themselves into a battle where the loser is executed? You do realze that at that point, the travler is a wanted criminal in the shogun eye right? the option was only "to be executed" at that point , plus Signora has the being just a diplomat excuse the Travaler is in the losing side at that situation Also have you consider the second half of the "The defeated face divine punishment, while the victors gained a second chance."? let me repeat, "the victors gained a second chance" Signora literally mention us "make the law of the land work for you too" is that obvious or Paimon has to scream "Ohhh. we're in the losing side so you challenge her to get the second chance" Look, Inazuma is bad but it's bad at a specific point (Mostly at the Watatsumi part), not all of it was bad or make no sense
Few things. I agree with a good chunk of ur points tbh, my main problem was they wasted the opportunity to juxtapose her to Raiden. Both had a lot of suffering and dealt with it in very different ways. Showing how signora dealt with it the way I mentioned could set that up. As for the foreshadowing, it was one vague line in a quest six hours long- and if you played during release, a whole few months later. I don’t think her death is necessarily bad, it just could’ve been done better. Hope that clears it up a bit!
It feels like her death was simply to pander to Venti mains, because as someone who was fairly annoyed by Venti and his antics as an irresponsible god, Signora’s defeat felt unsatisfying. In terms of appearance, she was in Mondo, Liyue and Inazuma, that’s fantastic. But Mihoyo failed to make me hate her because she’s just to insignificant. Raiden Shogun was supposed to be a hero of the Inazuma archon quest, yet I hated her 10x more than Signora, why? Because it was clear what she did to us as a protagonist and the people of Inazuma. Raiden was a pretty compelling antagonist, but Signora though? She appeared in 3 archon quests simply to look pretty and yap. And she got killed, I was like, “okay? I wish it was this purple haired bitch instead, but I’ll take it idc anymore atp just get me outta here so I can go back farming artifacts” They really could’ve made her a straight up psychopathic f*scist like High Evolutionary in GoTG3. None of the Fatui members are “evil”, because for some reason since Mihoyo had to make them all playable, so they gotta be sympathetic and have some good / likeable side in them, which is a shame since Childe was a pretty good villain in Liyue, until the event where we had to babysit his brother and now it’s awww cute old brother. They never intended Signora to be a playable character, so why not make her an irredeemable monster? We never even saw her directly hurting anyone, they had a chance and they blew it. Also I retired because the game’s so boring and there’s no character that are interesting enough to root for. Edit: you know what? They could’ve made her the reason why artifact RNG was a thing. “You can’t get what you, so now you’re cursed with stunted growth!” or whatever, THAT would instantly make me hate her.
Honestly? Yes, Signora is fine as she is. Her sole purpose in the narrative is to introduce a human threat, and she does that masterfully. The Abyss Order is kinda just fine in Mondstadt, but Signora’s the one who outwits the Traveler and makes off with the Gnosis. This is doubled down in Liyue when we find out she was scheming with Zhongli behind the backs of her enemies and her allies. There really doesn’t need to be anything more to her than that. Would it hurt to have more? No, not really. But it’s not reasonable to demand Genshin make every single villain a rich, layered, multidimensional character either. There’s basically no information about any of the bosses people fight in Dark Souls or Elden Ring. Nearly all of it is tucked away in archival lore. Yet nobody calls that bad writing. For comparison, I like Chongyun a lot. He has literally zero relevance to anything. If he died in the Liyue Archon Quest, that’s not bad writing. I think there needs to be a clearer understanding that ‘thing I didn’t like’ doesn’t equal bad writing. Your revisions to the Signora storyline are fine up until the confrontation in Tenshukaku. Her demanding she has to be the one to fight the Shogun doesn’t really make any sense (the Electro thread tie is far more tenuous than Traveler’s motivation for fighting her in the story as is, which is revenge for Teppei and the Delusion Factory, plus Mondstadt and Liyue. I could maybe see it if it was Venti, but Shogun is too far removed.) And Traveler going after the Shogun instead of her doesn’t track with their motivations either. I also find it strange you called the Traveler’s impulse decision an example of bad writing. Characters taking action because of their emotions is not bad writing; generally it’s a great indicator of a character.
Tbf comparing genshin to dark souls makes no sense bc dark souls doesn’t have much story anyway(at least not in the overt way genshin does) so I don’t think that’s a very fair comparison. A good chunk of genshin is story. Like u can skip lore but most people play the archon quests and they’re essential to the game core. otherwise I don’t rlly agree but I can see ur point
@@Izzi_idiocy By that logic, we can flip the argument. Take out all the lore, and there’s zero wasted potential in Signora. She’s purely a middle-tier antagonist; an introduction to an organization meant to be overcome in an earlier arc, and she is. So that just makes her writing even tighter.
@@kylegreen6711 uhm not how it works? Im saying it’s an unfair comparison bc genshin has story and dark souls doesn’t(or its not as central to the core game). Genshin objectively has a story. You can’t ‘take out all the WRITING’ and say she’s well WRITTEN. Like huh?
@@Izzi_idiocy I didn’t say take out the writing. I said take out the extraneous lore. The lore isn’t a requirement; it’s a bonus. If we look purely at the story, Signora’s writing becomes even better because her character is simplified. There isn’t anything to waste, save for people who just simped for her appearance and wanted her to do more - which is fundamentally unrelated to writing quality.
@@kylegreen6711 if you take that out, sure. But the point of your original comment was she’s fine as she is, which means you’re fine in letting her lore be wasted. If she didn’t have lore I’d agree, but she does and it was wasted depth
The most shocking about La Signora is that she could had server as parallel / mirror with Ei. Inazuma's main theme is grief and how allow emotion to fester unhealthy can cause to one's mental health can affect someone and how they see the world.
+ They both were suffered the loss of loved ones.
+ They became the "mask" they wore to hide their emotions. A.K.A Rosalyna became Signora. / Ei became the Raiden Shogun.
+ However, they had different ways to cope with their grief. La Signora's is using anger and haugtiness, while Ei basically detached herself from the world.
Amazing analysis!
I love when my comments section has better writing than the actual team
I actually saw a similar comment to this on a totally separate vid, though it was slightly way longer. And I forgot what the video's title is sadly
If she ever comes back, i don't think she'll come back as signora. I think she'd come back as Rosalyn
Isn't columbina a necromancer
Reminds me of Scaramouche going back to Kabukimono for a bit
Signora had a great introduction, lots of charisma, an intereresting backstory, what does Hoyo do? Turn her into Genshin's Raditz...
She's kinda Genshin's Mecha Frieza as well, was a threat in Monstadt and her fight, is killed off so easily to show that the antagonist is so much stronger than that by Raiden Shogun one-shotting her not even leaving a body. Never a threat again (Well Pre-Super existence for Frieza anyway, Signora is just dead.)
CHARISHMA??? WHERE TF SHE HAS CHARISMA????
Signora was wasted so badly... Not gonna lie, i like her so much more than Scara.
I genuinelly think Signora deserved a redemption more than him sometimes (even if i agree that he can be redeemed... Just not in the way Hoyo did it).
Justice for signora
I remember in the Fatui trailer, the chess pieces symbolise the Fatui and the archons. Signora was represented as a pawn and downed chess piece, meaning that her death was part of the Tsaritsa's grand plan. Perhaps it could serve a meaning later on in the story? Of course, it's just speculation, and I still agree that even if that was the case her death could be done better, they could have revealed her backstory before the fight so that her death would at least have some emotional impact, and her characterisation wouldn't just be a villain who died for no reason.
I'm still sad about the wasted potential the Signora feels, when I find her past very interesting and the fact that it hasn't been taken advantage of is very sad.
I keep wondering if they cut parts of Inazuma just to fit into a specific length and 3 act structure, because I don't understand how many things are poorly developed in this story and because of how interesting and potential it has for conflict.
I feel like hoyo used signora to hype up the shogun. It’s honestly upsetting that “the shogun is so strong that she killed one of the 11 fatui harbingers!!!!!!!!!” I NEED signora to come back. Even if she only gets a banner similar to characters in hi3.
And then they also kinda ruined that hype with the first raiden story quest-
I like Signora!!! I'm SO glad you made this video, she has so much wasted potential.
Signoras death genuinely felt so unnecessary.
It isn’t that she died that’s the issue, it’s the way it’s just so…pointless. She gets zero closure, we don’t learn her amazing backstory, the character who killed her, Raiden has zero connection to her story so it feels incomplete to have her being the one kill her, etc.
If anything Signoras death felt like just a cheap excuse to add something interesting to Inazuma act III
@@rachelisverycoo EXACTLY!! I’m not mad she died, I’m just mad they wasted what could’ve been a deep character
It feels like its just there for shock value, thats why people believed(and still do) that she'll revive, because her story just feels so incomplete.
Signora deserved better
Perhaps the funniest thing about Signora is that she died/left the story as a Villain: no remorse, no redemption, no pity for her.
I point this out because it has been a debate in the Community that the Harbingers are being humanized (or they are being whitewashed in the sense that their crimes/evil actions are being swept under the rug). This, perhaps, with the intention of making them Playable but taking away the appeal that the Group had at the beginning: being villains or irredeemable/evil beings.
It would be a good idea for a future video to talk about the Harbingers (as a Group) and see if this sudden change from villains to compassionate/humanized Characters is correct or bad writting.
I think humanizing your villains is important bc the depth- but the bad writing comes in when it’s an excuse for what they do.
Like “XXX tried to blow up a city!”
“But they were nice to me”
Like sure X was nice to YOU but that is no excuse for them trying to nuke a city. If genshin treats it like this(and a good chunk if the villains are) then I don’t think it’s bad to humanize characters you’re also trying to sell
It's especially infuriating with Arlecchino.
Are we forgetting a key aspect of her entire character? She runs a cult-ish group of child soldiers.
She is willing to depose of morals to achieve her goals. She would have murdered Furina in cold blood if she didn't realize the Gnosis wasn't on her.
She is not "ultimately a good person" because she has empathy sometimes.
@@pureteddybear_ Finally someone else says it.
The community treats her like she's some saint for the Orphanage after she killed Crucabena.
I wish they kept the route where she was literally an insane Person, killing every Child that dares to betray her by running away. (At least, I think that was implied before)
@@Squiggles. Precisely. We can all sit here and agree that Crucabena was worse than Arlecchino. That doesn't make Arlecchino good.
We also need to remember that in her story quest, she only granted the defectors from the House the non-death way out because she commended the battle prowess of the Traveler and the Lyney trio. I wanted to believe she does this for all defectors, but it's simply not true.
Also adding to my above comment: Arlecchino's entire organization is derived from this idea that by seeking a better home and life in her care, suffering, innocent children have made an unbreakable oath of loyalty to her. It's horrendous.
THANK U FOR LINKING THE ANIMATION IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR IT!!! But all that aside, I LOVE how you rewrote Signora it makes a lot of sense..Cuz as far as I know we don’t know who made the delusions, and so it would make sense Signora made them!!! Thanks for another great video
I think if mondstadt had came out now instead of being the first nation (or if the story was a little longer), we could've had signora's backstory there, it being artifact locked seems like a waste to me and a lot of people don't know her story because of it. At least they learnt their lesson with scara because they showed his backstory like 3 times in the sumeru archon quest xD
It's so baffling when a character gets used as plot armor, literally the laziest and cheapest way to dispose of a character. Signoras dead was so useless it affected nothing in the story. Justice for the original fatui Baddie.
Nope
Still smoking the Signora pack
The Raiden Shogun did us a favor because at last she finally reunited with her lover.
honestly, venti is my favourite character so i'm very biased against her, i really don't like her & was thrilled to see her go. i'm moreso annoyed that we never really got vengeance for venti, i would have liked to deal with her personally, but inazuma's scrambled writing didn't allow for that i suppose
i'm moreso surprised that they killed off such a popular character. to this day, there are people who lament (omg xiao?) her death because of how undeniably impressive her design was; i think my answer as to why is because she's meant to be the cocolia expy, & (SPOILERS FOR ALL NON-HSR/HI3 PLAYERS) cocolia dies in EVERY hoyoverse. HSR, HI3. even in HI3, i believe she did something with wendy?? dunno, didn't really play HI3 much, but she's always in cahoots with the wind people near the start of the game lol; but that's no excuse either, as i don't know if you've played HSR, but cocolia was brilliant
i like your re-telling because it gave signora purpose with the delusions, also it gave some meaning to her research; even NPCs like caribert feel like they has something meaningful to add. all signora did was be somewhat unlikeable, then leave-- i don't even sympathise with her, because i just don't like her whatsoever. good job on the re-write, shame that we got cocolia's worst incarnation, i really hope that the tsaritsa has an interesting voiceline to share regarding signora considering that bronya & cocolia are always related somehow in hoyo games (i'd be surrpised if the tsaritsa wasn't a bronya expy)
vengeance for venti? for just a kick in the stomach? i love venti too, but if we take into account he was the person that should've defended mondstadt the most when rostam and the knights were dealing with the abyss, then the kick was very justifiable. surely you dont think an archon (and venti of all people) couldnt stop the 8th rank harbinger if he wanted to
@@tomatuteeei feel like we lack context, therefore i feel it was unjustified, but i might be missing something here- not sure, i’m definitely not the person to ask about signora lore 😅
@@Juice-chan Signora is the Crimson Witch of Flames from the Pyro artifact set. During the abyss invasion 500 years ago, she was studying in the Akademiya when her lover, Rostam, died in Mondstadt. We know now that all the Archons were around and protecting their nations during the disaster, so it's no wonder she blames Venti for being absent and therefore responsible for her lover's death. She goes on a revenge spree by turning into liquid flame and eradicating all abyss monsters herself, but when she realises she's not able to rein it in anymore, she hides herself away until she's discovered by the Fatui and granted her Cryo delusion to control her power.
@@tomatuteeehe was defending Mondstadt from Durin
Signora deserved sm better, I LOVE THE REWRITE AND I WISH THIS WAS CANON INSTEAD
Remember when people use to think that Natlan was going to resurrect Signora? Good ol day ( It was only about a month ago )
they just killed her off bc they didnt want to animate a new outfit or her cape for playable
I so feel like things would be better if the story just acknowledged her story, if it went the rough of her being consumed by her "mask" and genuinely she was just a bad person now loosing her original reason for joining the fatui, or that she did so bad but it was because the world (and gods to her) were so cruel (like what you said) but we got nothing like that, her story is just a "neat" backstory that is not acknowledged
Another thing i think is that genshin does try to not acknowledge how bad the playable fatui (like morally and what they actually do from assasinations, killing kids, controlling nations, manipulation etc) are so the story writers just kinda axed her as they didn't know how to sweep them under the rug like they planned to do for the others given they blatantly showed her cruelty 2 times at that point for pretty serious things
Or they just didn't know how to reduce her model to a playable state and didn't want to make a unique model just for her so they axed her for convenient as that was easier
We may never know
THAT'S SO MUCH BETTER WTFF...
i hope she come back one day, hopefully in a cool outfit and a sassy attitude and nice video, people dont really talk about her lately or at all
Don't get me started on version 2 bruv.
Inazuma is 100% the lowest point in Genshin in term of everything. Exploration, story, characters, quests, etc.
still being delusional about a signora return in natlan where we get to see her backstory. it wont happen but i'm hoping anyway.
your rewrite was so much better than what we got. signora's one of my favourite characters, so i was disappointed at how badly the execution of her death was
One lore bit to consider about Signora is that her Crimson Witch powers seem to be based on, or at least similar in nature to Arlecchino's Crimson Moon curse. You can look at her arms and how fire seems to flow within them as well as the similar colour palette. So either way Signora was destined to die whether it was by Lightning or Self-Immolation.
Now, taking from one of the comments, Signora and Raiden had a lot in common so the story could've gone like this:
- At first, Signora would behave as usual, very smug and arrogant as she sabotages both the Shogunate and Resistance. However, as she learns more about Raiden's past, whether it be through informants or Yae Miko, her mood would start to change. She would get more serious and less sassy, and she would be the reason why Scaramouche was in Inazuma to begin with as she requested his help in the Delusion factory as an excuse to learn another perspective of the Shogun. By the time the Traveler arrives to the throne room, Signora and Ei would be sitting in the middle drinking tea and talking about the Cataclysm. She would recount her past before becoming the Crimson Witch and how her lover's death blinded her with rage much like how Ei's grief kept her blind from the current situation in the nation. Despite both of Signora and our efforts to convince Ei, she refused, and so as a last attempt, Signora challenges us to the duel instead of us and loses on purpose in order to give her last words, a Final Lesson if you will: Live on, Ei.
This would cause the puppet to slowly lose control and Ei begins to wake up. Another potential friend, one who could understand her and be for her, killed by her own hand once again.
Great story, would have been better than what we've got, truly.
"I've never asked for redemption... never." RIP Signora
Signora's storyline is one of the Disney villains like Maleficent something ~ she lost her lover she grief yeah fine but then the moment she turned herself into a liquid fire to protect Monstadt because Venti couldn't? (obviously, he couldn't because he's busy defeating DURIN) instead of receiving a "THANK YOU! YOU FXXKING SAVE OUR LIVES" she gets the "OMG A MONSTER!!! WE SCARED OF YOU NOW!! YOU ARE A WITCH!! PLEASE LEAVE MONSTADT!!!" -- and I was like errr??? what an ungrateful bunch of hypo?!?!?!
Then there is Venti on his archon quest acting like a "SAVAGE," and his simps think he's cool for that because it rhymes! errr??? Do you know what SIGNORA needs? an apology! Like Venti could've simply said Thank you for protecting Monstadt and I'm sorry because I wasn't there. just like that? but the drunkard has the audacity to not remember and yet still act savage what a joke. Signora is a Maiden who sings for the crowd ofc, she's a loveable person! you heard it from Arlecchino's voice lines that she brings gifts to the children!
3:30 because teppie died traveller friendship with teppie was as important as any other playable characters travellers was ready to face Shogun for thoma meanwhile teppie literally died they wanted to avenge their friend
The reason why I love signora is because she wasnt morally bad like almost all genshin villains(specially the harbingers), she was an interesting and creative villain
Tbh signora had all the right to kick venti. I hate how the whole fanbase memes about signoras death while they proceed to baby scara, they both suffered equally imo
Abandoned by your mother shortly after birth and losing every friend you make betray and abandon you, vs losing your husband during the apocalypse. No they aren't the same
@@isdrakon9802 bro imagine comparing grief 😭 how dense and insensitive must you be
"Losing things that are important to you"
Hm yes this does seem to fit both of them. @@isdrakon9802
@@isdrakon9802She also not accepted by her own archon..there is nothing big and small problem bit suffered both became evil
@@Eewlolz how was Signora rejected by her archon
I'm not really a fan of Signora tbh, I felt she needed to go soon or later, at least her fight proved a challenge on the first go but she couldn't really stick around with bigger fish to fry.
Signora deserve this
Me personally am fine with how the story is since Signora is a character served her purpose in the story. With that being said I do like how you wrote how in a alternate way how it could have been but I do have to point out your use of future knowledge to rewrite past knowledge as contrivance and wouldn't work because of the Traveler's disposition to Signora since from the Traveler's pov Signora is someone that hurt their friend Venti, and took Zhongli Gnosis even though the Traveler couldn't do anything to stop here. But because of the past events and the death of our good friend when have more of a reason to fight Signora even in a surp of the moment we still have a reason to fight her. But this is all to say that Signora is a character that doesn't deserve a redemption for what redemption does she deserve cause she is a moth to a flame always fated to burn
Signora used strength against Anemo Archon and used contract against Geo Archon, but none of that will work against Eletro Archon.
It kinda showed that the reason Traveler and Signora was alive at that moment was because Raiden allowed it.
Signora's death is obviously used as plot device to show Raiden cruelty and strength and to show the gathering of the rest of Harbingers(escpecially their reaction to a dead comrade).
I don't think it will work well if Signora ALSO gets Scara's treatment and turn good in some way, audience will find it repetitive.
If Signora didn't die, she would run away for the 3rd times, and audience may find it repetitive as well.
I think its case and clear that Signora is part of the reason why the MC begins the journey after witnessing Venti getting his Gnosis stolen since Signora does leave an impression at first glance for any new people and motivation to settle the score along the line.
But her ending was really bad though, hence why it feels like the only reason she got killed was to add a "Wow" factor to Raiden and hyping it. It didnt evoke nothing after her demise and it was just pretty awkward, nothing about her death really played a role into the story, just...Yamcha'd into Inazuma.
Welcome to hoyoverse games the place that their writers mostly ruin their villains for their weird/greedy or simp sakes. ( Pls hoyo don't redeem the doctor by the moment he's the only most evil harbinger so far , Even Nahida tells the traveler that he's a monster .. .. also arlecchino hates him too ... (I can imagine capitano's opnions of him ) if they redeem him like Otto from honkai , surelly they have the Naruto syndrome).
Post data: Hopefully she comes back reborn as rosalyne.
6:35 I don't know if you meant the original Dottore here by the "segment" called Zandik, but I doubt that Dottore had segments so shortly after the Cataclysm. Researching Scaramouche's body was what allowed him to base his segments off of it and Kabukimono wasn't recruited or even created that early.
I might be misunderstanding what you were saying here, though!
Well how should i put this if you see the thories and signora sub and what some of us theorise i have some news 👀,i also made some theories about her design and how the plot would go hmmm.
I loveeee ur videos
I personally don't agree with the sympathy given towards Signora, especially when people call for the Ei to be punished in the same breath. They both lost someone important to them in the cataclysm. However Signora lost her husband because he was a knight fighting a powerful dragon. Ei however lost four of her friends in rapid succession, having to fight at least one to the death before finding out her sister went to Khaenri'ah and then find her dead because she wasn't enough. Then she has to return to inazuma to pull it out of the apocalypse it found itself in.
Getting into the reactions, one joins an organization that's often cruel it's subordinates, definitely cruel to the innocent people of the nations. Practices child experimentation or using child soldiers, often purposely making those orphans themselves. All of this is off the top of my head, not digging into all the terrible things the futui do.
What about Ei, she decides to protect herself and her nation from a threat she can't fight. Did she make a few mistakes along the way, yes but compared to Signora who loss a lot less, she's doing a whole lot better
I think both of them deserve sympathy and punishment tbh. While Scara’s story is by no means perfect, we can look at that as what signora could’ve been(but a little different), being irredeemable, but sympathetic. She also says ‘I never asked for redemption,’ so we don’t need to give it to her.
Raiden is similar in a way to how she DEF deserves sympathy for the stuff she went through then, but also ignoring the suffering of her people. She deserves punishment for those actions(and signora deserves punishment as well to be clear).
Unfortunately murderers with sad pasts and still murderers and we have to treat them as such
@@Edahs_exists that is something I can get behind
I'm sorry but the whole "Signora was wasted" is just people simp for hot lady got kill
she was in the perfect spot to be kill off
- She got her personal revenge by kicking Venti for not done his job to protect her lover (in her PoV)
- Her lover already dead a very long time ago so there is no point to "get him back" anyway
- She join the Fatui by her will, no trick, no manipulation
- She already been involved and appeared for 3 main region quest
There just doesnt have any reason to keep her unless you want her to follow the "convert to the good side"
if that the case, she will be a worse version of Scara
Scara has a whole being lie to arc, being misunderstood arc, sacrifice arc and try to improve (NOT redemption) arc and yet people are still hate his character, Signora has none
the only thing she has is "she was a good person until her lover die", what you guy want do with that? give her a new lover so she somehow join our side? or worse, make her love the traveler ? (Ew)
Her death isn't wasted at all, not only it write off a character that already done their job, it also set up the motivation and conflict for future fatui harbingers
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I never understand the argument of "she just show up in Inazuma with no set up"
- She has been appearing in the 2 previous main quest (Mond and Liyue) and done her job getting the gnosis, of couse the fatui gonna sent her to Inazuma next
- At the begining of Inazuma, when we get stuck in Rito, Chisato literally told us her Father working with "a very arrogant-sounding woman" to not let us leave Rito
I find it that it's the one time Hoyo make the travalier repeat the line intread of having Paimon say it out loud
guess having Paimon say the obvious stuff is necessary after all
- Later after we prove to Sara her clan betrayed the Shogun and work with the Fatui behind her back, she went straight to Takayuki
and Takayuki told us "The Shogun is at Tenshukaku receiving a Snezhnayan diplomat - the Harbinger by the name of "Signora."
is that enough reason to how Signora is in Tenshukaku?
3:36 why the travler want to launch themselves into a battle where the loser is executed?
You do realze that at that point, the travler is a wanted criminal in the shogun eye right?
the option was only "to be executed" at that point , plus Signora has the being just a diplomat excuse
the Travaler is in the losing side at that situation
Also have you consider the second half of the "The defeated face divine punishment, while the victors gained a second chance."?
let me repeat, "the victors gained a second chance"
Signora literally mention us "make the law of the land work for you too"
is that obvious or Paimon has to scream "Ohhh. we're in the losing side so you challenge her to get the second chance"
Look, Inazuma is bad but it's bad at a specific point (Mostly at the Watatsumi part), not all of it was bad or make no sense
Few things. I agree with a good chunk of ur points tbh, my main problem was they wasted the opportunity to juxtapose her to Raiden. Both had a lot of suffering and dealt with it in very different ways. Showing how signora dealt with it the way I mentioned could set that up. As for the foreshadowing, it was one vague line in a quest six hours long- and if you played during release, a whole few months later.
I don’t think her death is necessarily bad, it just could’ve been done better. Hope that clears it up a bit!
Who tf
It feels like her death was simply to pander to Venti mains, because as someone who was fairly annoyed by Venti and his antics as an irresponsible god, Signora’s defeat felt unsatisfying. In terms of appearance, she was in Mondo, Liyue and Inazuma, that’s fantastic. But Mihoyo failed to make me hate her because she’s just to insignificant. Raiden Shogun was supposed to be a hero of the Inazuma archon quest, yet I hated her 10x more than Signora, why? Because it was clear what she did to us as a protagonist and the people of Inazuma. Raiden was a pretty compelling antagonist, but Signora though? She appeared in 3 archon quests simply to look pretty and yap. And she got killed, I was like, “okay? I wish it was this purple haired bitch instead, but I’ll take it idc anymore atp just get me outta here so I can go back farming artifacts”
They really could’ve made her a straight up psychopathic f*scist like High Evolutionary in GoTG3. None of the Fatui members are “evil”, because for some reason since Mihoyo had to make them all playable, so they gotta be sympathetic and have some good / likeable side in them, which is a shame since Childe was a pretty good villain in Liyue, until the event where we had to babysit his brother and now it’s awww cute old brother. They never intended Signora to be a playable character, so why not make her an irredeemable monster? We never even saw her directly hurting anyone, they had a chance and they blew it. Also I retired because the game’s so boring and there’s no character that are interesting enough to root for.
Edit: you know what? They could’ve made her the reason why artifact RNG was a thing. “You can’t get what you, so now you’re cursed with stunted growth!” or whatever, THAT would instantly make me hate her.
Honestly? Yes, Signora is fine as she is. Her sole purpose in the narrative is to introduce a human threat, and she does that masterfully. The Abyss Order is kinda just fine in Mondstadt, but Signora’s the one who outwits the Traveler and makes off with the Gnosis. This is doubled down in Liyue when we find out she was scheming with Zhongli behind the backs of her enemies and her allies. There really doesn’t need to be anything more to her than that. Would it hurt to have more? No, not really. But it’s not reasonable to demand Genshin make every single villain a rich, layered, multidimensional character either. There’s basically no information about any of the bosses people fight in Dark Souls or Elden Ring. Nearly all of it is tucked away in archival lore. Yet nobody calls that bad writing.
For comparison, I like Chongyun a lot. He has literally zero relevance to anything. If he died in the Liyue Archon Quest, that’s not bad writing. I think there needs to be a clearer understanding that ‘thing I didn’t like’ doesn’t equal bad writing.
Your revisions to the Signora storyline are fine up until the confrontation in Tenshukaku. Her demanding she has to be the one to fight the Shogun doesn’t really make any sense (the Electro thread tie is far more tenuous than Traveler’s motivation for fighting her in the story as is, which is revenge for Teppei and the Delusion Factory, plus Mondstadt and Liyue. I could maybe see it if it was Venti, but Shogun is too far removed.) And Traveler going after the Shogun instead of her doesn’t track with their motivations either.
I also find it strange you called the Traveler’s impulse decision an example of bad writing. Characters taking action because of their emotions is not bad writing; generally it’s a great indicator of a character.
Tbf comparing genshin to dark souls makes no sense bc dark souls doesn’t have much story anyway(at least not in the overt way genshin does) so I don’t think that’s a very fair comparison. A good chunk of genshin is story. Like u can skip lore but most people play the archon quests and they’re essential to the game core.
otherwise I don’t rlly agree but I can see ur point
@@Izzi_idiocy By that logic, we can flip the argument. Take out all the lore, and there’s zero wasted potential in Signora. She’s purely a middle-tier antagonist; an introduction to an organization meant to be overcome in an earlier arc, and she is. So that just makes her writing even tighter.
@@kylegreen6711 uhm not how it works? Im saying it’s an unfair comparison bc genshin has story and dark souls doesn’t(or its not as central to the core game). Genshin objectively has a story. You can’t ‘take out all the WRITING’ and say she’s well WRITTEN. Like huh?
@@Izzi_idiocy I didn’t say take out the writing. I said take out the extraneous lore. The lore isn’t a requirement; it’s a bonus. If we look purely at the story, Signora’s writing becomes even better because her character is simplified. There isn’t anything to waste, save for people who just simped for her appearance and wanted her to do more - which is fundamentally unrelated to writing quality.
@@kylegreen6711 if you take that out, sure. But the point of your original comment was she’s fine as she is, which means you’re fine in letting her lore be wasted. If she didn’t have lore I’d agree, but she does and it was wasted depth