ULTIMATE UPGRADE TIERLIST & DIMINISHING RETURNS GUIDE (NOV 2024)

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  • Опубликовано: 1 дек 2024

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  • @jayyaudio
    @jayyaudio  2 дня назад +6

    Of course this is outside the IEM itself. Forgot to mention buying used or trading is also a good strat, I’d place it high prior after fit & comfort

  • @ChuckleNorris420
    @ChuckleNorris420 5 дней назад +12

    Excellent vid and I big agree tips are so important!

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  5 дней назад +2

      Glad you enjoyed it 🙏 Tips are GOATED frfr

  • @alexroot1980
    @alexroot1980 2 дня назад +5

    Dude, I'm in love with you! Couple hours ago I bought a 3$ KZ 3-sized foam eartips set from AE (BF sale) and you just confirmed me that it was the cheaper, wiser and most returning upgrade, over a new pair of iems! This channel is a hidden gem! You deserve AL LEAST 100k subs!

  • @miershyk
    @miershyk 2 дня назад +6

    Eartips are definitely a game changer! I have a few different sets myself, and at times I grab a different one just to hear the difference in sound, and it opens up a lot of opportunity for slight tuning shifts! Fit is also very important to me for I've small ears. For example, I really do enjoy the Delci AE, but due to its shape, I'm not able to wear it for more than 2 hours per session. The EW300xHBB on the other hand, slots right into place and I can wear it the whole day without any issue.

  • @izmedyan
    @izmedyan 2 дня назад +3

    Favorite video by far! Definitely agree with eartips being at the top of the list. I’ve also had the same experience with the Pilgrim where the stock tips weren’t the best choice. I did find the Velvets, Spinfit W1s, and the Softears UC to work on them really well for my ears.

  • @LongLegsLong
    @LongLegsLong 2 дня назад +4

    Great video as always!
    Im in this hobby for almost 7 years.
    In my country I have the luxury to have shops can demo majority of IEMS , Dacs etc.
    Always try first, dont blind buy.
    I do recomend to get a good source/dac that suits your taste. A good source/dac can give a different sound different sound signature.
    ESS dacs = brings out dry sharp fast details.
    AKM dacs = brings out a smooth and detail sound sig.
    I prefer IEM and dacs that allow me to listen for long hours. I pick AKM dacs.

  • @philipm.4738
    @philipm.4738 2 дня назад +1

    Really good video! Loved the matching pics to the themes you used. Very clever and often pretty funny😅
    As someone who maintains the hobby through budget sets, l find changing the tips is a huge factor! One brand in particular,Simgot , doesn't fit my ears very easily and finding the right tips to get a seal is huge with them. Thanks again for a very informative talk.

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад

      Glad you found it helpful!

  • @treblewellxtended
    @treblewellxtended 5 дней назад +4

    Very well explained. Esp. the eartips, they play the biggest role in my opinion and are the most value for money product in this hobby towards IEMs.

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  4 дня назад +2

      Word 💯 tips are underrated

  • @3ildcard
    @3ildcard 2 дня назад +3

    And Jay became even more trustworthy and valuable source for Audio stuff. No bs, no snake oil.
    I love when people don't pretend they can hear the grass growing. Hate that cable and dac/amp propaganda from delulu's who cope too much to justify their purchases. You have manufacturer like JDS Labs, someone who has done research and would directly benefit financially from selling larger line of products saying how "chips are designed to sound the same, if yours sound different it is likely faulty" and then you have the average Head-Fi'er "bRo ThiS DaC IS wARm, ThE oThER iS tOo CliNiCal". With the exception for Tube/R2R of course but those are intentionally designed to alter the sound and not just placebo driven nonsense. In the regular ones all you hear is dB differences = lower volume/higher volume, match them and they sound the same. And JDS Labs goes more indepth why A/B wouldn't work either because it has to happen in 0.2sec timeframe.

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад +1

      I gotchu

    • @3ildcard
      @3ildcard 2 дня назад

      @@jayyaudio Doing God's work my man, keep it up. We need more honesty and less "buy buy consume, daddy needs free units to promote".

  • @Quo_Audito
    @Quo_Audito 2 дня назад +1

    I have to say I agree with all your points of each of these ideas and applications. I just started tip rolling and wow, never knew it actually would make a difference.
    When i started listening to the Tea Pros I just got, my first thought was that it felt as though it was congested on busier tracks. Then, I got the Divinus Velvet Wide Bore Eartips and now it feels open and that problem is not a thing.

  • @1236987attoila
    @1236987attoila 2 дня назад +1

    Well made video , I personally like your attitude, your humbleness

  • @UFO-Audio
    @UFO-Audio 2 дня назад +2

    Jay, you are a gentleman and a scholar! This type of video is exactly the content the IEM community needs.

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад

      Appreciate the kind words !

  • @JohnSmithisnotme
    @JohnSmithisnotme День назад +1

    ear tips are fun, spent $100 on multiple ear tips and you are set.
    DAPs are great for portable because it's an all-in-one solution for source and amplifier.
    cables are cables, just don't overpay, they tune the sound a tiny bit, but mostly you get the cosmetics value
    (cool color and hardware).
    iem>tips>dap/sources>cables

  • @gabech2789
    @gabech2789 2 дня назад +1

    Solid advice like always 👊 this is so helpful for someone just getting started

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад +1

      Glad you found it useful 🎧

  • @marksr12
    @marksr12 2 дня назад +2

    Great video, thanks!

  • @demondjackson2875
    @demondjackson2875 2 дня назад +1

    Great Job Jay!!!
    Appreciate u

  • @richardblaauwgeers4349
    @richardblaauwgeers4349 2 дня назад +2

    Source differences are very tiny. My experience is that all in ones sound better then stacks. Tips make the biggest difference in sound and comfort. A good cable can also add comfort. It took me a while to learn not to trust one or two reviewers but only when all reviewers are positive about a product it does not suck. Most review channels are just sales channels.

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  День назад +1

      Yup they’re just shills

  • @pmdthewizard
    @pmdthewizard 5 дней назад +1

    Couldn't agree more, tips are a must. Just changing the size of the tips make a huge difference for me let alone switching to another type. As for DAC, I personally don't own one but I ordered the jcally jm6 pro, it should come this week. Will see how much of a difference it will make.
    Great video btw, as always 🫡

  • @KiwiNickG
    @KiwiNickG 2 дня назад +2

    Agree with tips use Dunu SS, Divinus wides and Final type E and one normally sounds great

  • @Gershy13
    @Gershy13 2 дня назад +1

    Would love a video on tips, explaining the difference in sound quality depending on bore size etc. and a list of tips to get for people that are looking to tip roll.

  • @tkachenko9584
    @tkachenko9584 2 дня назад +1

    Great vid!

  • @zmmmzmmmz
    @zmmmzmmmz 2 дня назад +1

    Finally, the tier list tier list. I could use some help - I got the star city 5 pro and have been very happy with it, although there is something in the treble that makes some recordings a little rough (early Nine Inch Nails). I wanted two pairs - one for studio (flat, maybe a little extra treble) and one for enjoyment (to me, a nice zero red). Originally Nova, but worried it's more like original zero blue for me and will not use foam. Maybe supermix or ke4 for the fun?

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад

      Ya supermix4 would be good

  • @Chida_o_0
    @Chida_o_0 2 дня назад +1

    I like the slower pace of this video

  • @kenmasters007
    @kenmasters007 2 дня назад +3

    Would love to see an ear tip guide... I bought the Zm4 and tea pros based on your videos.. Thank you!

    • @zmmmzmmmz
      @zmmmzmmmz 2 дня назад

      Same! Bonus: budget IEM that come with quality cable and the better tips, like does the Wan Er have the same tips as the Gate? For $10 that's a backup set and cable instead of buying just the tips

  • @balzinderchhabra8804
    @balzinderchhabra8804 2 дня назад +3

    Big upvote for exposing the cable snake oil.

  • @superodeda9223
    @superodeda9223 2 дня назад +1

    As a newbie who is getting deeper in the world of iem thanks to you, now i wanna know what brands and variants should i look out for in cables that are quality and durable and ear tips, tips and cables will be replaced overtime, great info in the price range thats quite helpful in deciding what iem to choose because there is so many good products out there that its hard to choose

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад

      XINHS, NICEHCK, DUNU, TRIPOWIN, all have solid cables. Most of the cable from any seller these days are pretty sturdy, just avoid ones that are super cheap relative to others. As for tips, you have Azla, TangZu, TRI, and any recognizable chifi brand names 👍

  • @nadeemmir991
    @nadeemmir991 2 дня назад +1

    🎉🎉🎉🎉 very good video thank you so much 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 value for time video❤

  • @adityairawan1843
    @adityairawan1843 2 дня назад +1

    I can't really discern cable sound differences, but I still take one for longevity and aesthetics purposes.
    Sometimes the stock cable makes me worry, as I feel they are not durable enough.
    Recently I found out a weird thing; for Single DD IEMs I like to pair them with 4.4mm balanced cables. For hybrids, however, I like to keep them stock.

  • @MML66
    @MML66 2 дня назад +2

    I tried different ear tips and did not hear any difference. Is the difference that small or is there something wrong with my ears and there is a difference in ear sensitivity from one person to another? Thank you for the advice and information

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  День назад +2

      Depends on the tips you’re using, most of them sound the same so you have to look for specific ones

  • @sharuraudio
    @sharuraudio 2 дня назад +3

    Holy hell your views are incredible

  • @lolSnowball
    @lolSnowball День назад +1

    Nice

  • @yanhemei8837
    @yanhemei8837 2 дня назад +2

    If you want anything over 2k just look for second hand or listings these iems are often taken very good care from their owners and they are half the price

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад

      💯 word I should’ve added buying used in there lol

  • @pauliej4105
    @pauliej4105 5 дней назад +1

    [Chorus]
    (I move in, now move out!) Hands up, now hands down!
    (Back up, back up!) Tell me what you're gonna do now!
    (Breathe in, now breathe out!) Hands up, now hands down!
    (Back up, back up!) Tell me what you're gonna do now!
    Keep rollin', rollin', rollin', rollin' (What?)
    Keep rollin', rollin', rollin', rollin' (Come on!)
    Keep rollin', rollin', rollin', rollin' (Yeah!)
    Keep rollin', rollin', rollin', rollin'
    Take care!

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  4 дня назад +2

      Take care Paulie 🕺

  • @earlybird3668
    @earlybird3668 2 дня назад +3

    TANGZU Xuanwu Gate ranked by you as S- tier in tuning and technicality. I believe you. It is a $650.00 IEM, can you do a video review? You keep recommending it. thanks.

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад +1

      Not much to talk about, it’s very clean, neutral, but still has the dynamics and not smoothed out like the Mega5est. If you want a neutral set it’s a good option

    • @earlybird3668
      @earlybird3668 2 дня назад

      @jayyaudio I own *MEGA5-EST* it is an awesome set with Divinus Velvet tips. Everytime you mention the Xuanwu Gate, you take a shot at the MEGAFEST. You're perogative, but suspect as you have not made a review video. The Gate costs $600.00 on sale, and may well be a fantastic double S- tier set. Even on sale it is more expensive than Hisenior's instant classic IEM.

  • @mirzaamane4548
    @mirzaamane4548 2 дня назад +1

    hi jays, my estrella arrived two days ago and i very like it. i mostly used the tape mod because the bass is little too big for me. if i use tapemod often, will it damage my estrella?

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад

      Glad you're digging them! It shouldn't be an issue unless you blast them at high volume, also use them with Tangzu Sancai regular tips

    • @mirzaamane4548
      @mirzaamane4548 2 дня назад

      @@jayyaudio okay i will try it, i used divinus Velvet widebore before

  • @makzniaira
    @makzniaira 2 дня назад +1

    Thanks for pointing out how the diminishing returns are just not worth it at some point, a lot of IEM reviewers kinda gloss over the price because they got their review units in and need to shill them.

  • @AT-vj2mz
    @AT-vj2mz 2 дня назад +2

    I suspect some 1000 dollar cable manufacturers just add a small impedance adapter to their thick ass cable

  • @bhavearth
    @bhavearth 2 дня назад +1

    Great 👍🏽

  • @herseyberry4655
    @herseyberry4655 2 дня назад

    Don't they have any small analog equalizers for headphones and IEM'S?

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад

      small amount of sources do

  • @DEZ7ROYER
    @DEZ7ROYER 2 дня назад +1

    Another excellent video, thanks Jay! Which iem(s) you recommend as an upgrade from the Artti T10s with same tuning, based on what you said in the video? 🤔

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад +1

      Estrella probably since T10s are a slight bright v

  • @aaronmagdaleno2250
    @aaronmagdaleno2250 День назад

    What tips are good for the Simgot Supermix 4?

  • @stevenha406
    @stevenha406 2 дня назад

    would you say foam tips or silicon tips are better

  • @vinodrathod3902
    @vinodrathod3902 17 часов назад

    I want to upgrade from my tangzu wan'er. I liked the vocals, clarity and subbass in this. I want to upgrade on better bass, good surround sound stage and better separation in the sound. My highest preference is the comfort and my budget is around 100$. Can you suggest me the best one

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  15 часов назад

      SIMGOT ew300 dsp and swap it with your 3.5mm cable, you'll get 4 different tunings in total with the 3.5mm nozzles, and dsp nozzles

  • @ikangoyeng7853
    @ikangoyeng7853 2 дня назад

    Cable for me did sound different,my moondrop lan cable pin broken because it was bend,try fixing it and it snap,since im really need to use earphone i use my trn mt1 cable and the sound suddenly low resolution and not smooth,even the soundstage reduce for some reason. But i wanted the og cable sound back,any cable that you have tried that change for better, please recomended

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  День назад

      Tripowin zonnie is cheap

  • @TheModeRed
    @TheModeRed 2 дня назад

    S12 2024 is a side-grade to my Supermix 4, and Estrella covers similar ground but woth less sub bass and more mid bass, which I dont think is my usual preference at all. Im not trying to go over $300 so.I think a $120-150ish Supermix 4 can be someone's endgame for sure, especially with EQ for treble tolerance at high volumes.

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад +1

      Estrella does not have less bass than Supermix4 and S12 lol

    • @TheModeRed
      @TheModeRed 2 дня назад

      @jayyaudio I haven't heard the Estrella, but was judging by admittedly one comparison graph showing SM4 with a little deeper subbass but significantly less mid and upper bass

    • @TheModeRed
      @TheModeRed 2 дня назад

      @@jayyaudio Also major thing to point out, the Estrella will be my next purchase bc its great for my music tastes and games while also being an affordable upgrade to my current IEM's. My choices were Arete, Estrella, Anvil, CKLVX D62, Odyssey and Performer 5+2. I believe Estrella wins here and after that I have to really exceed my budget by a lot to get up to the EM10.

  • @heartsobs1659
    @heartsobs1659 День назад

    EA 500LM or Inawaken Dawn M's for alt rock/rock/r&b music?

  • @Emre-nl8df
    @Emre-nl8df День назад

    My friend buy a IEM. Which is better? Truthear Hexa or Kiwi Ears Melody?

  • @lochanpoudel4438
    @lochanpoudel4438 2 дня назад +2

    omg jays just said sacrilegious things now reddit group gonna attack jays

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад +1

      Not the first time 🤷‍♂️

  • @Emre-nl8df
    @Emre-nl8df 2 дня назад

    Jay which is has more detail in sound samsung buds2 pro vs airpods pro 2? Crinacle says samsung buds2 pro better.

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад +1

      Detail wise galaxy buds, but tuning wise the AirPods are more enjoyable and have a bigger soundstage

  • @heyking8583
    @heyking8583 2 дня назад

    Recommend eartips for mest mk2?

  • @dinozor1207
    @dinozor1207 День назад

    Is Fosi audio K5 Pro good DAC?

  • @arjitawasthi8328
    @arjitawasthi8328 2 дня назад +2

    i totally agree after getting sm4 expensive iems does not attract me more

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад +1

      Sm4 value is too crazy

  • @nadeemmir991
    @nadeemmir991 2 дня назад

    Which is the set u mentioned when u said if i like explorers u said arcadia odyssey and one more didnt catch the first one

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  День назад +1

      LETSHUOER EJ07 Original

  • @ruslanchalbash8229
    @ruslanchalbash8229 2 дня назад

    And how big will be the difference in sound between using a 3.5mm jack and a 4.4mm jack?

    • @carlScofield
      @carlScofield 2 дня назад

      no difference at all. its a placebo effect.

    • @ruslanchalbash8229
      @ruslanchalbash8229 2 дня назад

      @@carlScofield It seems the audio community is divided into two camps - those who believe that 4.4 sounds better and those who don't...

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад

      No difference, they graph the same

    • @zerotactix5739
      @zerotactix5739 2 дня назад

      I am guessing this depends on the particular iem and the source. I have like 8 IEMs at home, but none of them made a noticable difference with 4.4 except one - the Fiio FH3 transformed completely going from the 3.5 to 4.4. the sound stage noticeably widened, made it much more immersive for me. Obviously the volume is increased going to a 4.4 on all IEMs, so that could be a reason some people think it's better.

  • @tanjacky5780
    @tanjacky5780 2 дня назад

    Should I upgrade my Thieaudio PLTD to Thieaudio Valhalla?

  • @Emre-nl8df
    @Emre-nl8df 7 часов назад

    I really like your video. My family does not allow shopping abroad. These IEMS are which is best for metal music? Can you rank these iems? 1 to 6
    Kiwi Ears Melody
    Truthear Hexa
    7HZ Sonus
    Truthear Zero Red
    Zero Blue
    Sennheiser IE200.

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  7 часов назад +1

      Thanks man. None of them are that good for metal. Try Simgot EW300 pink nozzle

    • @Emre-nl8df
      @Emre-nl8df 2 часа назад

      ​@@jayyaudio andyaudiovault, truthear nova is the good for metal in own review. What do you think truthear nova for rock/Metal music?

  • @vertronicle3908
    @vertronicle3908 2 дня назад

    As eq-ing is free, can you suggest good cheap-ish IEMs that are easy to EQ? for the budgetarians out there

  • @DonCafecito.
    @DonCafecito. 2 дня назад

    Thanks! Budget dac neutral source for ps5 please

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  День назад

      Any cheap $50 will work, Moondrop, EPZ, SIMGOT etc

  • @CLaudiusClemensJimmy
    @CLaudiusClemensJimmy 2 дня назад +1

    yup, like me i don't have much to spend climbing the stairs from bottom, i just go to $1400 mest OG when they 1st released and done, hearing something like $300 just ain't my cup of tea.

  • @pmdthewizard
    @pmdthewizard 5 дней назад +1

    MUSTAAAAAAAARD!

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  4 дня назад +2

      🗣️🗣️🗣️

  • @dleblanc343
    @dleblanc343 2 дня назад +1

    Why are we talking ROI about IEM’s sound performance? 😂

  • @vikasreddybittu
    @vikasreddybittu 2 дня назад

    How to make my supermix 4 sound good it sounds worst when i compare it with quarks dsp

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад

      lol what? Try Tangzu Sancai Regular tips

  • @masterazlan6999
    @masterazlan6999 3 дня назад +1

    Hmm priority towards endgames system.. Audiophiles IEM itself the numero uno..Then comes the tunin part Cuz my world's best m still r own made yet no others beats it currently..On tunin' 1st : types of transducers 2nd : shell shapes or design 3rd Cables, in my cases Bal only 4rd : Data nowdays vinyl, tapes or even CDs r obsolete..leaves us Data which in PCM, DSD or even DXD where's Flacs born by this..5th Then system consists of dacAmp - solid or tubes or maybe r2r..6th..Hmm sory reviewer Carry on..Peace!

  • @Itsnevs-o2q
    @Itsnevs-o2q 2 дня назад +1

    I would say if they claim that cable don’t change the sound is funny, coz the material that used on cable changed on frequency of sound, you can notice for sure.. also that apply to shape of tips, and meterial that used on tips.. also mesh filter can change the sound, like my sm4 , i was so sad when i listen first my sm4 , now i used 2 mesh filter on it now it is so smooth with amazing timbre and technically legend , and using with velvet tips … loving my SM4 , i came from 500LM did modification results smooth.. i do modification if i don’t like how it plays…. Love your channel

    • @albertko1
      @albertko1 2 дня назад +2

      That's just wrong... If those electrons are able to differentiate their frequency between different materials, then literally you would literally hear music almost as if you downtuned all the instruments and vocalists. Better conductivity with more expensive materials may increase volume but the construction and shielding is what would effect noise. Jay is absolutely correct, it's something to get for mostly looks and comfort. Sure, if you have garbage cable that has microphonics or noise, a cheap $20 upgrade cable will likely fix that issue. I personally bought one nicer cable with modular connection so I can use my set with 4.4 or 3.5 jacks

    • @wiesolos
      @wiesolos 2 дня назад +1

      Things like filter, dampening material, nozzle length, and eartips actually alter the FR in measurements significantly. Because they physically affect the sonic wave. But you are now talking about the material, which won't affect the air conduction even in the slightest manners.

    • @jayyaudio
      @jayyaudio  2 дня назад +1

      How did your SM4 get more technical with 2 mesh filters lol

    • @Itsnevs-o2q
      @Itsnevs-o2q 2 дня назад

      @@jayyaudio sm4 technically great iem, mesh filter only stopped that shouty

    • @Itsnevs-o2q
      @Itsnevs-o2q 2 дня назад

      @@albertko1I am it doesn’t change the frequency but it does impact the quality of signal transmission due to electrical properties.. silver plated cable makes more detailed and low compare to copper cable , explain me why al these tips sound different even most of them are same design…

  • @blacktrain7048
    @blacktrain7048 2 дня назад

    deuce cable is bad quality