Going over the items for my Hardcore minion thorns build - Diablo 4 - Season 4
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- The skill tree and paragons are not much different from a regular shadow minion build.
You can refer to this build link (warrior 1H pushing variation):
maxroll.gg/d4/... for more details.
A note about the Needleflare aspect: it does not proc from minion thorns, making it almost useless for our build. See test here: ruclips.net/video/uLK5wn1pUA4/видео.html
Also I tested out the Thorns while fortified temper, which doesn't work for minions.
Trying this out because of your vids. Thanks for the content.
Should be fun, and easy to do. If you can't hit the attack speed requirement, you can use frenzied dead first, or use Kalan's edict (and get rid of shadow related stuff). The pure minion version without blighted aspect can push to T90+ no problem.
Changed it to Bone mages so they foritfy you and take advantage of the corporeal glyph also rocking the blood golem for 30% damage reduction and Defenders to taunt the enemys to actually deal thorns damage , made the build feel 10 times better.
You could rock the Bone golem and use the one that makes them vurnable if you feel like its worth loosing out on 30% damage reduction i dont think it is.
Good points
To add a few points for HC players, there are bugs related to fortify including the bone mages, and also I experienced a couple of times receiving ridiculously high damage while I was using blood golem A. There might be bugs for certain spells when using the blood golem A that I am not sure about. That was the reason why I dropped the 30%sweet DR.
I think needleflare helps on the boss but it feels gimmicky, i dont think it procs when your minions get hit only when you get hit, then slaps you and your minions thorn damage to everything around them which is a randomly basically 1 tapped boss. Didnt try this focusing on warriors i had it golem focused which seems like i was doing it wrong after watching, might go back to that guy to mess around i think hes still alive and i have greater affix warrior mastery stuff just chillin in my stash xD
Needleflare for the minions is hard to test. Probably easiest way to test is to have a bunch of friends in the pvp zone.
@sinitarpku I'm a hardcore player so... xD
@@lancepowell1965 Actually it might work better in HC for testing because I never saw anyone in the pvp zone. Just need to make sure the testers gear properly, with max defense and a lvl 1 white weapon, and minimum thorns.
where is your Pit sweet spot? (3-4min)
Funny until now I realized that I don't know the answer. I usually run 65ish with my wife (she enjoys a super tanky selig druid). When I use holy bolt, I would say anything under 80 dies super fast and I don't feel too much of difference. But there are a couple of bosses that are hard to deal with. Sharpshooter being one of them, and he is the only one that I will just skip and remake when I see him at t70+. He just doesn't attack, so almost no thorns damage.
@@sinitarpku thanks
One more question on your planner the shield shows Max life, DR, and Thorns. But looks like in the video should be Max life, DR, and Int. Which one is the right one?
They are comparable, I can't say for sure which will be better as it relates to the current gear equipped. If you have low int, probably go with int on shield. Or If you have a not so high roll on the razor plate, you can choose thorns on shield.
Does Weapon Damage matter for this build? I would assume not since it doesn't matter for Thorn Barbs, but minions may be different.
It doesn't affect the thorn damage.
Thanks for sharing.
Ive asked in an older post of yours, how about using melted heart on necro minion on season 4?
I think it can work, but not for high end pushes. For pushing to the high end tiers, you need the damage from the amulet. I run a selig mage build farming 60-70 pits no problem, and a golem build would be similar. Pushing into 100+ is also achievable, but I don't know if it can go 110+.
@sinitarpku hello sir i got 4 sparks in hardcore any uber uniques worth using?
Not for a thorns build I am afraid. We need razor plate so no Tyreal's might. We also need warrior mastery so no shako. Selig is too much damage loss as well.
Thanks for the video.
Died yesterday and restarting now.
this helps a lot😙
Try to get a razorplate early. It's a life changer.
Have you tried using Aphotic instead of needle flare for the cooldown
That may be a good one. In high tier pushing I think we can try to use corpse tendril instead of bone prison, and use aphotic for CDR. I haven't tried it to push higher but it may work better than my current setup.
Here are my items for the T112 push (I might have upgraded a couple levels after getting mats from the push). @Chronikz
@sinitarpku hello sir i got 4 sparks in hardcore any uber uniques worth using?
@@marcusa95 For this build, not really. You may get Shako or Tyreal if you play shadow minions
Have you found a place to farm for Razorplate?
Lord Zir has Razorplate in its drop table.
Great guide, I've seen other thorns builds going high in armor with juggernaut. For the Bone Golem. Do you know if that really works?
If you focus on golem thorns that might work but in this build I focus on warrior thorns. For the golem focused thorns build, if you stack armor, let's say you get 70k armor, and also get golem inherit more armor from the paragon, you can boost the golem armor to like 150000 plus, and that would be additional 105000 thorns so it can be quite substantial. But bear in mind, you need a lot of armor and %armor rolls on your gears to reach that number.
@@sinitarpku Thanks for your quick reply :)
The warrior, mage and golem mastery affixes are so rare (hellbent even more rare it seems) but very crucial for any necro build, especially the warrior mastery for scaling your thorn damage. Plus having lot's of HP potion stacking in +100 pit lvl is also needed for a high amount of barrier to be built up. What also is key here in this build is your golem shedding corpses for having fortify up and being able to push to 5 stacks for the flesh-eater proc easy mode. I assume you run with shadowblight passive since you try to go for 100% attack speed via gear?
You are correct my friend. In my pushing videos I didn't use fortify because I heard about fortify related bugs killing people. I don't know if it was real but decided to drop my fortify just in case. I ran the kalan's edict version till the 90s and then switched to the blighted version for more damage.
@@sinitarpku I'm using the +% damage affix instead of the close damage variant but I'm not sure that is better since thorns are off course close range damage most of the time. I'm also wondering if a +% golem damage via tempering on the rings scales with thorns or not?
@@Forcecast %damage is fine, but it has lower rolls than close damage. If you want to push the damage to the next level you will need to replace %damage with close damage. The golem damage works for thorns from the golem, it can work if you fully invest into golem thorns. However because you lose golem mastery on chest, you lose a big multiplier for golem damage, which was why I focused on warrior thorns.
For your build is there a reason you do not use the revenge glyph as well as is it better to target warriors and golem for inherit trait or is minions inherit better. Thanks in advance. I also noticed when you use the ring of mendel your damage out put is greater, have you tried that
You can definitely use the revenge glyph. I actually used it to replace the undaunted for higher damage when pushing high tiers. The warrior inheritance has higher rolls than minion inheritance, but minion thorn inheritance buffs all minions so which one is better depends on the stats of your particular character. For example if you have high ranks of warrior mastery, you have a big multiplier for warrior damage, then probably warrior inheritance would be slightly better. As for the Mendeln, the unique effect scales off the character not the minions so in end game it cannot compete with a legendary ring.
@@sinitarpku Thank you for the reply and information. I have been waiting for a thorn build to be put out
Great job with this been looking for a hardcore build.
With thorns do we just ignore crit chance all together and go all in on attack speed?
You are right, we ignore crit. Thorns damage cannot trigger critical hit unless you have a lethal shrine effect. This opens up affixes to build our character tankier. I think it is super nice for a HC necro. The goal for our attack speed, would be 100% for minions without using frenzied dead. It is achievable if you have attack speed (preferably GA and/or masterworking hit) on gloves, two rings, amulet, and temper minion attack speed on your weapon, plus 10 minion attack speed and 5 attack speed from paragon.
As you are building up to the 100% attack speed goal, feel free to use Kalan's edict or frenzied dead to reach that number, but in the high end pushes, we need to drop these two.
@@sinitarpku yeah this sounds great, much easier to build then the build I’ve been doing in HC. Will try this for sure. Thanks for the reply!
@@sinitarpku does %damage work with thorns?
@@zinfandelzaddy Yes it does. But it rolls lower than close damage. So for optimal damage you don't want to roll %damage.
Have you noticed that since the update the thorns, damage that are inherited is now significantly lower
Mine used to be 35mil now it is 59700
@@ronaldsuitt70 probably just display bug fixed
I used to have my golem do 1mil to 56mil I have seen how I don't break 1 mil
@@ronaldsuitt70 I will need to test if my thorns got nerfed. Will know later tonight
@@sinitarpku thank you
i love this build :) thx
Nice work ! Keep going ! Been doing a variation of thorn but all the credit is yours 💪
I did some napkin math, that you can make a golem thorn work as well, potential to hit 1B per thorn proc. Looking forward to seeing what you found out my friend.