Elitism in F1
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In today's video, we dive into the reasons behind F1's rise in the States and the recent developments that could spell its potential downfall.
(Also shoutout to my professor, thx for letting me turn this in as an assignment)
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average non-billionaire kid: _“when i grow up, i wanna be a F1 driver!”_
*…so uhh… who’s gonna tell him…*
You can make that argument for any Motorsport these days. Look at the new young drivers in nascar so many of them are rich kids because it’s nearly impossible to afford getting into racing at a professional level
@@edelpog1692The best bet is to get really into iRacing and make friends
@@edelpog1692 Which is kind of sad. NASCAR used to be about "take this crappy car that you barely can afford, turn it into something that is fast using subpar equipment, and go beat everyone next Sunday".
Now its, "all the cars are the same. You are rich xyz's son, so you will be given a seat even though you probably suck. See you on Sunday".
@@edelpog1692 Atleast motorsports like nascar and gt racing allow kids with upper middle class parents to get in there. Formula 1 pretty much either requires full commitment from the parents (Esteban Ocon), or for the parents to be stupid rich. That's how bad F1 is with this stuff.
Yooooo it’s denny delivers
me watching verstappen lead every lap for the 24,189th race in a row:
So you're telling me that the driver in the richest teams always win?
@@Waddle_Dee_With_InternetI love how RB fans act like the team is some kind of underdog and that they aren’t one of the most successful constructors ever.
@@Nate34 Toro Rosso is kind of an underdog, you're thinking of Red Bull.
@@turbo_marc Did you mean Visa Cash App RB Formula One Team?
At least we got some action today. Aka Sainz going elbows out.
F1 is like a cycle
More dominant leading team -> less fans -> f1 tries to get more fans in ridiculous ways -> old fans leave -> f1 really starts to care more about the fan base than the sport -> repeat
You've nailed it
That also applies to any industry ever.
Vicious cycle of F1
I mean... That's like most things, How do you expect them to grow if they cater to just old fans.
@@leonard4928 Need a gmod video of this now.
As a European f1 fan, I just want to say that we all are equally pissed off with how f1 is being managed
very selective abut your presentation, many pay drivers in every motorsport, and american drivers were hijacked by having to race on tracks that are just circles, because that is the culture regardless of it actually building any skill other than car control
the world puts drivers through rigorous competition with those accustomed to real tracks where real talent is fostered on the brakes, americans just don't have the infrastructure, because you think circles are real tracks
look at how shane van gisbergen just comes in and annihilates same with grosjean, mclaughlin, but then look at jimmy johnson, he may be able to fake race where the main thing is not dying, but it didn't translate to skill at achieving lap time, and he shamefully exited indy after 2 seasons
@@ACougarSwagnumbot
@@ACougarSwagnumwhy have you posted this twice to two different people? And why are you replying to others when your comments are clearly for the video's creator?
This is how Americans feel about everything good that happens, a stupid INC buys it and ruins it immediately
I was just about to thank you and reply that I have been pleasantly surprised that many Europeans have voiced their displeasure, even if just for wanting a new team on the grid, but then I read the comment below by Sir Douche von Douchington and got irked again.
I know he doesnt represent everyone though
And Max Verstappen is your 2024 Champion of the World...
See ya next year!
They have 2025 locked up as well. Maybe we’ll see each other in 2026.
@@thatsidewaysdud7623 True 😭
@@thatsidewaysdud7623 2026?? See you next decade
Could still go any way only time will tell
@@Nightmareof94 You really wanna say this after a 10 second lead at the flag?
Nah, id quit.
I remember people TikTok saying those seats and hotel prices were pretty affordable for middle class person.
I never watched F1 but I was like, "How out of touch are these people in Las Vegas?"
To them a middle class person lives in a mini mansion with a pool, has a boat, and drives an X7.
@@frevazz3364 That is basically middle class in the US. There is no Universal Middle Class, an average person in the US makes a lot more money than an average person in most of the EU countries. Middle Class in Pakistan is practically a homeless person in California.
in america they have more money than sense. In europe they have less money
@@MartinWasTakenthere really isn't a middle class in the US anymore either. Now its homeless, working class, rich people, and billionaire elites.
@@MartinWasTaken the middle class has been destroyed
we're all homeless or wage slaves now
The rejection of Andretti was the last straw personally. I'm not going to watch a sport where a few aristocrats defy the will of pretty much everybody else especially when the product on track isn't good either.
I still watched today but the rejection of Andretti Cadillac really dampened my enthusiasm for the sport. To me it looks like they want money from Americans but are scared of any competition from them.
Seriously, Andretti gets rejected yet Haas gets to stay
They don’t want to pay the existing franchise shareholders the asked price in a CAPITALIST WORLD. Then proceed to mobilize their fans to whine about it😅
@@BiggieTrismegistus Theres no certainty Andretti were going to be competitive, prob just another Haas
@@dirkstrickland135that’s nothing to do with why f1 rejected them. You also pulled that out of your ass
“Anything can happen in formula 1, and it usually does” (quote by the great Murray Walker) has officially faded away from existence
If anything means the gap to p1 getting inconceivably bigger every weekend then the quote still stands strong
it feels as if a bit of the sport died with him (yes i am being overdramatic)
Andretti not being allowed in F1 is was the the thing that broke the camel’s back for my re-intrest in the series. And with how the F1 community acted toxic to the 2024 Ambetter Health 400 finish, I’m glad I’m in the NASCAR community despite its flaws.
Not surprised they would
What happened with the community for Atlanta? I don't follow Reddit
What'd they have to say about Atlanta? I don't follow f1 pages so I wouldn't see
If they hated the atlanta finish then quite frankly they don't liking racing and deserve to have max win every week
@@captainwaffles940 My educated guess is saying something along the lines of "your sport drives in ovals so who cares" or stuff of that nature. Immense mockery I can imagine.
The more this development of F1 goes, the more parallels I see with NASCAR
F1 is repeating NASCAR's history instead of learning from it, and that should be concerning
I believe that just in a couple of years down the road F1 will find itself in the same hole NASCAR is in right now
I don't think their downfall will be as bad, but I think it will be a "oh maybe we screwed up" kind of thing.
As a guy who studies history, we almost never learn from our mistakes unfortunately
@@sasquatch7234maybe ... then again, back in the day people used to say the same about NASCAR ... but who knows! maybe the head management doesn't commit the same mistakes ... or maybe we're seeing the same story play out in front of our own eyes
They’re both less pinnacle nowadays
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YTNASCAR was never considered a pinnacle tho...
I don't watch F1 anymore. Some highlights sure, but F1 Rejecting Andretti broke me
I miss the early 2010s of F1
It aint much better now.
honestly, after today I'm done with F1
Their cars today sound like vacuum to me. The V8 era was the last golden era of F1.
andretti will probably get added eventually but it was bad timing on their part since audi was already signed to be on the grid
I’m watching less Formula 1 races now like I do with NASCAR after the Andretti rejection. That was my breaking point. Had enough.
F1 sadly was always the most elitist (motor)sport in the world
DTS is why it’s like that
Its the very top of the motorsport tree, so will be "elitist" by its very nature. Do you actually think before you post?
english isnt my mother tongue, sry about not using the adjective. and no reason to be rude. also i am referring until the start of f1 and even before that, where mostly rich ppl and nobles raced@@supertouring22
@@supertouring22bro chill
@@supertouring22Its not though? Isle of Man TT, Dakar, LeMan 24 Hour are literally right up there with F1 in skill and talent required and require far more bravery. Hell I would put Rally over F1 in skill terms just not as a product
In my experience F1 and many F1 fans think it’s the only motorsport that matters.
That's embarrassing
That's why F1 fans are the worst. Equal to football/soccer fans, or even more.
I can't take people who want to buy indycar to turn it into a feeder series seriously
Fuck liberty media
That’s the issue. We’re sick of hearing F1 fans acting like they’re better than local motorsports just because they have higher views. Here’s a news flash, you cannot compare viewership of an international motorsport with motorsports that only run in ONE country as if it’s a fair fight but I guess fair fights are not something you have an understanding of.
@@thicccheese4007Stupidity and elitism goes hand-in-hand when it comes to these people
At least in America the working man has a chance to see the show and race in it if they're lucky. F1 has always been by and for aristocrats and oligarchs.
I have a minimum wage salary, and I can afford to go to at least 2 NASCAR races a year. It would probably take a year's worth of salary for me just to go to an F1 race. NASCAR's prices aren't great, but at least it's doable. F1 is atrocious with theirs. It tells me that they don't want me there, so I won't bother 🤷♂️
Indycar has a similar ladder as F1 does.
Regional then national karting (expect 6 figure budgets)
Small single seaters, usually F4
Formula regional/F3
Indy lights/F2
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Yeah sadly the amount of affordable F1 races is dwindling every year. Maybe some European races are affordable, like Hungary and Netherlands. Still more expensive than US motorracing though, I reckon
very selective abut your presentation, many pay drivers in every motorsport, and american drivers were hijacked by having to race on tracks that are just circles, because that is the culture regardless of it actually building any skill other than car control
the world puts drivers through rigorous competition with those accustomed to real tracks where real talent is fostered on the brakes, americans just don't have the infrastructure, because you think circles are real tracks
look at how shane van gisbergen just comes in and annihilates same with grosjean, mclaughlin, but then look at jimmy johnson, he may be able to fake race where the main thing is not dying, but it didn't translate to skill at achieving lap time, and he shamefully exited indy after 2 seasons
You had this MARINATING in the drafts
Imagine having worked so long to win over the American public, only to spit in the face of Andretti and a giant like General Motors.
There is a reason why Formula 1 is called "the great circus", not only because of the picturesque atmosphere that its events presented in the 50's and 60's, but also because it is directed by authentic clowns.
For God's sake, how are you going to reject ANDRETTI AND a giant like GENERAL MOTORS when in the past you accepted:
-A shoemaker who bought a team and ended up melting it almost at the end of the season.
-A pirate Lotus of Malay origin that he even had to sell the carpet at his entrance.
-A Spanish team that could not run the Australian GP 2 years in a row because they were too slow.
-A team that did not even put its cars in the wind tunnel, which also had the name of a Russian car manufacturer of dubious origin, and which also missed some tests in 2014 because of a Trojan.
-A team that adapted a Honda engine to a 4-year-old Arrows and gave it to Takuma Sato to drag around.
-A team that had to compete a year earlier than expected due to pressure from its sponsor and also sank the name of a legendary construction company in the motor world.
Yes, because 1990s events are still relevant now 🙄
Can you give context on these cause I didn't follow f1 much in the 2010s
Because all of those teams were accepted before Liberty was in control of F1.
@@CanalAleblasco77 no I mean which teams were these ?
@@mariner_ I think they are, in order, Andrea Moda, 2010's Lotus F1 Team which would end up being Caterham, HRT or Hispania Racing Team(they were bad but they had some iconic liveries in the three years the team participated lmao), Virgin Racing which would end up being Marussia F1 Team in the following years and then Manor Racing by 2016, Super Aguri back in 2006 and Mastercard Lola
The elitism from f1 “fans” started to become rampant when dts came around.
Agreed. i got into f1 in 2020 and no I didn’t watch DTS (still haven’t) and I’m a American who grew up on nascar. Yet those f1 fans will tell me I don’t “appreciate” the sport all because I don’t like to see Verstappen gap the field by miles.
@@ricky4772I grew up watching IndyCar and starting watching F1 in 2013. The F1 fanbase is somehow even worse than the UFC fanbase.
@@BiggieTrismegistus bro im a wrestling fan………….man oh man far worst then ufc
Tribalism is bad for sports
@ricky4772 unfortunately you have encountered the most common type of toxic F1 fan- the Verstappen Shagger.
These guys will abuse, threaten and berate literally anyone who doesn't follow the hive mind of wanting Max to win every single race for the rest of time. Before them, it was the TeamLH bandwagon who were and are still guilty of the same crimes against sanity.
F1: please give us $2,000 for a ticket to a race where you will see the cars once every 90 seconds at a terrible venue
NASCAR: Do you have 50 bucks? You’re in. You can have the race in your lap and see everything. You can bring your own snacks too lol
NASCAR is definitely more affordable for fans than F1.
F1 is not chasing the broke fan.
@@ronbelanger4113Mate you’re on RUclips comments. You’re broke!
@@CJODell12So is Indycar, if you want open wheel racing
the first one was literally indycar at the thermal club lmao
And yet F1 Elitists will still heckle NASCAR Fans with the redundant AF "f1 iS bEtTeR" comments
F1 Elitists are the Embodiment of Close-Minded. They only care about that Series and nothing else because everything else is below them even though every other Motorsports series is doing so much better than they are
I love F1 and it's actually the first motorsport I got into but man the way a lot of their fans disregard any other racing series at all is so stupid
Same. I feel its a good emtry into motorsport, but its not all that good
For real, so many F1 fans shit on NASCAR every chance they get.
F1 used to be a passion for me, accelerated by Drive to Survive. The more I followed the sport, the more I listened to guys calling out its elitism, the more I realized that the sport is deeply rooted in money and politics
2023 burnt me out because I did not know what I wanted as an F1 fan anymore. I've gone onto greener motorsport pastures.
yeah so is human life buddy
This why I mostly watch endurance racing.
People sleep on IMSA and other endurance racing, but honestly, it might be the best form of Motorsport right now. LMP2 was 10/10 good last year.
Personally I dont have the attention span and its too complicated, i like having a small field where i can follow every driver. No hate though, it certainly looks cool
very selective abut your presentation, many pay drivers in every motorsport, and american drivers were hijacked by having to race on tracks that are just circles, because that is the culture regardless of it actually building any skill other than car control
the world puts drivers through rigorous competition with those accustomed to real tracks where real talent is fostered on the brakes, americans just don't have the infrastructure, because you think circles are real tracks
look at how shane van gisbergen just comes in and annihilates same with grosjean, mclaughlin, but then look at jimmy johnson, he may be able to fake race where the main thing is not dying, but it didn't translate to skill at achieving lap time, and he shamefully exited indy after 2 seasons
@@ACougarSwagnum This is such an ignorant post lmao. Grosjean lost his ride in Indy, which you would know if you actually watched anything other than F1. Jimmy Johnson had a bad crash at Michigan towards the end of his nascar career and has not been the same driver since. He is washed and looks that way in NASCAR when he runs now too. Johnson of 10-15 years ago would be very competitive in Indy or F1 in the right ride. Also, SVG just finished second to last in the first non-super speedway/road course he has run in NASCAR. You really did no research before posting this F1 elitist crap did you lmao?
@@GregAllenF1it's a bot or something, they've commented the same thing like 10 times
Can we admit something? The problems really started with the 2014 PU regulations, which were conceived off in the immediate aftermath of the GFC where the sports future seemed to be in immediate question. For reasons entirely having to do with marketing and branding, particularly to investors in the automotive industry, these incredible complex hybrid power units were developed and marketed as "green" and in line with the future of the automobile. They killed competition, made the cars way too heavy, and made the sport to expensive for all but the big 3.
F1 needs to rethink the entire direction it had taken since the hybrid era if it doesn't want to keep backsliding into a glorified parade every single year
Yeah, even the WRC decided to back pedal its decision to have hybrid PU's.
Also Mercedes having a head start with the 1.6 V6 pretty much destroyed the competition till about 2018
@@thehwguy4293And the BTCC is facing some rather dire consequences of their awful hybrid decision. It's getting way too expensive for a national touring car series.
The audacity of Formula 1 infuriates me. They don’t care about whats “best for the sport”, they care about lining their pockets with as many dollar bills as possible. More competition is better for the sport, so why are they gatekeeping competitors? “Why the prize pool of course! We can’t hand out more prize money now can we, because that would make us 500 million dollars worse off of the billions we already make every year.” I’m so glad series like WEC and IMSA had a recent boost in popularity, perhaps they can show Liberty Media how to run an actual sporting event rather than the TV drama series they so desperately want it to be. They need to get off their high horse and realise that F1 isn’t actually the be all and end all of motorsport.
Wec is unfortunately, not a diehard fan sport. Seen alot of people complain bout bop
@@supermantrly that’s true. F1 is definitely better at putting on a show, for better or for worse. BoP has always been a blessing and a curse in sportscar racing. It’s never perfect, but at least the competition is never clear cut.
@@joshjmilli why make good car when theylll just bop it??
@@supermantrly because a lot of it comes down to strategy, setup and team efficiency. Also, a reliable and versatile car is a good car in enduring racing. A good example of a not so good car being Peugeot: they suffered last year because their car wasn’t operating in the performance window often enough.
@@joshjmilli a good example was toyota and porsche this year. Toyota was a boat while porsche got alot advantages
Andretti was rejected because the teams dont want a eleventh team, it would means less money for each them
The lesson of this video: watch nascar or indycar.
or imsa or wec because f1 is so boring
why stop there? motorsport is so diverse, even in open wheel racing
Or watch F2. That stuff is actually interesting on multiple levels.
WEC would be good too. Or IMSA.
I try to watch every F1, F2, F3, IndyCar and Indy NXT race. F1 is usually the least entertaining as far as on track action goes despite the occasional fun race. The other 4 series routinely throw up racing that's fun as hell to watch.
"Andretti cant join because they would not benefit F1." - F1 Management
So... how does HAAS benefits F1? How does Toro Rosso/AlphaTauri/RB benefits F1?
The teams and F1 management doesn't want any new teams to join, they want to keep.all the money for themselves.
very selective abut your presentation, many pay drivers in every motorsport, and american drivers were hijacked by having to race on tracks that are just circles, because that is the culture regardless of it actually building any skill other than car control
the world puts drivers through rigorous competition with those accustomed to real tracks where real talent is fostered on the brakes, americans just don't have the infrastructure, because you think circles are real tracks
look at how shane van gisbergen just comes in and annihilates same with grosjean, mclaughlin, but then look at jimmy johnson, he may be able to fake race where the main thing is not dying, but it didn't translate to skill at achieving lap time, and he shamefully exited indy after 2 seasons
And if NASCAR doesn't fix this charter debauchery they're going to have the same issue...hell they already kind of do considering how much you have to shell out just to compete at the top level for a championship with prices only those with deep pockets can afford (often with mediocre or outright garbage equipment)
That was clearly a poor excuse by FOM to justify their rejection of Andretti.
Youre right about the money, but, all those teams are already in the sport and can't just be kicked out whenever. As fans we were all disappointed with that outcome and even more people were begging Gene Haas to maybe sell his entire team to a certain fellow countrymen. We can dream, but the man has tools he needs to sell or something so Idk.
Andretti not being allowed to join has nothing to do with HAAS or any other team.
Yeah, so what? F1 is a business; a vital part of that is caring about and making money. Like everyone else, there’s nothing wrong with them acting according to their interests, regardless of whether you like it or not.
Forget F1. It's just an expensive parade.
very selective abut your presentation, many pay drivers in every motorsport, and american drivers were hijacked by having to race on tracks that are just circles, because that is the culture regardless of it actually building any skill other than car control
the world puts drivers through rigorous competition with those accustomed to real tracks where real talent is fostered on the brakes, americans just don't have the infrastructure, because you think circles are real tracks
look at how shane van gisbergen just comes in and annihilates same with grosjean, mclaughlin, but then look at jimmy johnson, he may be able to fake race where the main thing is not dying, but it didn't translate to skill at achieving lap time, and he shamefully exited indy after 2 seasons
@@ACougarSwagnumyes now look at kimi. jenson button. both failed, but admitted to having an enjoyable experience in such a difficult racing experience nascar has been. now look at SVG now, struggling horribly on these ovals, as if oval is such a different skill that others have a hard time in.
@@ACougarSwagnum Stop copypasting the same comment over and over again
Circus*
F1 feels like it's one step from great success, but also one step away from spiraling out of control.
I like f1 but you can not tell me its better than nascar. Atleast with nascar you dont know whats gonna happen.
That's kind of the selling point with NASCAR. All the sudden a tire comes off and a car slams into the one next to it and then half of the field crashes.
@@sasquatch7234Nascar not about crashes
Formula Ford is better than nascar
@@supertouring22 how? Nascar has 10 roadcources
you cant compare the two, they’re completely different forms of racing
2:10 What do you mean "turned into"? They were already the most elitist and snobby form of motorsport on earth, they just did a slightly better job at hiding it... but their fans didn't.
At least with how things are going in f1 people are beginning to give other motorsport leagues a chance.
I've seen more people talking about WEC and IMSA for their diverse grids, NASCAR for their epic finishes, Indycar and FE being solid alternatives to F1 and WRC for their unbelievable drivers.
very selective abut your presentation, many pay drivers in every motorsport, and american drivers were hijacked by having to race on tracks that are just circles, because that is the culture regardless of it actually building any skill other than car control
the world puts drivers through rigorous competition with those accustomed to real tracks where real talent is fostered on the brakes, americans just don't have the infrastructure, because you think circles are real tracks
look at how shane van gisbergen just comes in and annihilates same with grosjean, mclaughlin, but then look at jimmy johnson, he may be able to fake race where the main thing is not dying, but it didn't translate to skill at achieving lap time, and he shamefully exited indy after 2 seasons
as an American f1 fan since 2010 I've been disappointed in how they treat the American market as just a cash cow. (also why does max have to win every race, he won the race today by 22 seconds! Why can't he give us Ferrari fans a break we haven't won since kimi days)
Same, I think it's absolutely ridiculous how they give us three races like it's the 1980s. Like what? This sport has been rising in popularity since the 2000 US GP at Indianapolis (in my opinion) and we don't need three fucking races.
@@kinger41America is 3/4th the size of mainland Europe. Europe has 13 races and America has 3. It should have more like 6 to cover equal distances. No one Michigan can go all the way to Miami, Austin or Las Vegas. Hence Indy.
Ay, hamilton’s joining y’all, don’t worry
@@nrbmemes2414 You should have the same number of F1 races in America that Indycar has in Europe.
F1 fans will look you dead in the face and call you a “fake fan” just bc you don’t enjoy watching Verstappen gap the field in a race and don’t even get me started with the FIA asskissing Red Bull
Releasing this right after Verstappen once again wiped the floor with everyone today was perfect. Great video, such a shame that they’re turning away from traditional tracks/denying iconic names from entering in turn for money and billions of street tracks that nobody asked for.
very selective abut your presentation, many pay drivers in every motorsport, and american drivers were hijacked by having to race on tracks that are just circles, because that is the culture regardless of it actually building any skill other than car control
the world puts drivers through rigorous competition with those accustomed to real tracks where real talent is fostered on the brakes, americans just don't have the infrastructure, because you think circles are real tracks
look at how shane van gisbergen just comes in and annihilates same with grosjean, mclaughlin, but then look at jimmy johnson, he may be able to fake race where the main thing is not dying, but it didn't translate to skill at achieving lap time, and he shamefully exited indy after 2 seasons
@@ACougarSwagnumyou only have this one comment. Find something better to do.
alarictheredboi276yearsago4 no youre the problem
I watched 4 races in 2023, i hated it, its boring as fuck and i hate how f1 thinks theyre on top of the world, if they ever come to watkins glen or any tracks indycar races at then im fucking rioting
They don't race at shit circuits, so you should be ok
@@supertouring22 Least Over their Head F1 fan:
@@supertouring22 meanwhile miami gp is on a parking lot
@@supertouring22 Yes, obviously F1 only chooses to race at the best circuits and not race on parking lots with fake pools, street circuits with a dead atmosphere, or Abu Dhabi. Why race at an ugly place like Watkins Glen, which has never, ever, produced a good race?
spit your shit brother
F1 trying to break into the American market while simultaneously rejecting an American team, Clown Organization.
Back in 2014 Mercedes had such a strong car that they halted its development fearing if it was too dominant the FIA would step in and change the regulations. I see no f reason why us who pay for F1 have to experience 3 years of Verstappen crusin each and every opponent while everybody in the governing bodies of F1 act like this is normal or beneficial for the sport
very selective abut your presentation, many pay drivers in every motorsport, and american drivers were hijacked by having to race on tracks that are just circles, because that is the culture regardless of it actually building any skill other than car control
the world puts drivers through rigorous competition with those accustomed to real tracks where real talent is fostered on the brakes, americans just don't have the infrastructure, because you think circles are real tracks
look at how shane van gisbergen just comes in and annihilates same with grosjean, mclaughlin, but then look at jimmy johnson, he may be able to fake race where the main thing is not dying, but it didn't translate to skill at achieving lap time, and he shamefully exited indy after 2 seasons
I mainly find F1’s elitism annoying in the sense that all the F1 fans I’ve personally met love to shit on literally every other racing series because F1 having the fastest pace and the most advanced cars somehow translates into objectively better racing in their eyes
Nascar was always US focused. F1 is a world wide phenomenon. If the US fans don't want F1 races I would be happy to have more races in Eastern Europe or Central Asia.
It's time we as Americans stop watching F1 or consuming F1 media
For people that say “oh, people didn’t complain that much when Vettel and Hamilton were dominant”, Vettel won in 2 of the greatest overall seasons of all time and Hamilton even lost a championship, and when he won, there were at least some forms of competition for first. In the case of verstappen, there won’t be ANY hope of a new champion in 4 more years
This current max era domination is more like the Schumacher Era
Not only that. Look apso at the new circuits that are about to join in the foreseeable future, maybe putting historic and legendary circuits like Spa Francorchamps on the chopping block. The reality is, even in Europe a lot of people are getting tired of the mighty dollar chase that Liberty Media had launched.
As for the track product well, nothing new really.
@@frozenuruguayball6436 even at Schumacher's Ferrari domination he had strong competition from Kimi at McLaren and Juan Pablo Montoya at Williams
Forget a new champion, there's barely any hope of a different winner
I remember there being quite a bit of vitriol towards Vettel and Hamilton back in their respective eras of dominance.
But, I've checked out of F1 recently so maybe I'm just not seeing the Verstappen hate apart from the "Verstappen winning is boring" sentiments.
Only reason I watch F1 nowadays is because of Alonso. When he retires, theres not gonna be anything there to keep me watching. It's a shame Andretti wasn't allowed to race because they might have made the sport more interesting and thats all the contribution the sport needs right now.
I've been an F1 fan for a long time, but rejecting Andretti and price gouging has made me follow NASCAR instead.
NASCAR currently has a better on track product then F1 even if the championship is flukey. I love all racing, but F1 is shooting itself in the foot and its elitist tendencies. F1 fans would probably appreciate ovals more if they knew the history of why they're so popular State side with it's grass roots beginnings.
As an F1 fan all my life, couldn't agree more with most of this video. Since Liberty took over the competitive integrity of the series has been going down the drain at the expense of manufactured entertainment, seen by most European fans as an 'Americanification' of the sport in line with NASCAR. The Andretti bid really is the perfect example, with the FIA, with all their flaws, accepting the bid on sporting grounds, but Liberty rejecting it on commercial grounds.
I will say though that pay drivers have always been a problem and there are less pay drivers on the F1 grid right now than ever before. For the most part, the SuperLicense points are holding up well (although they are heavily over-weighted towards F2 and F3 to get people going through FIA series'). Mazepin and Latifi only got enough points by each having one fluke season in F2 where they outperformed the rest of their entire careers by far, and Stroll was genuinely dominant in his junior career and has shown sparks of promise in F1 (not to mention the rules have changed since he entered to prevent another Stroll situation). Honestly, I have to agree with the decision not to accept Herta. The guy's a good driver in IndyCar, but far from the cream of the crop, and I just don't see him ever being more than a low-tier driver in F1 without at least putting up a strong title fight in Indy (for reference, in Alex Palou's last full season in FIA F3, he finished 7th behind Mick Schumacher, a bunch of other drivers who failed to reach F1, and just ahead of Zhou Guanyu). And realistically, if Herta was allowed in just because of hype and 'eye-test' appraisal, that would open the floodgates back up to pay drivers way worse than Mazepin and Latifi, which the SuperLicense system mostly got rid of a long time ago.
Hit the nail on the head.
No one was drawing these comparisons and making these sorts of videos comparing F1 to Nascar until the ownership change and interest from the US from drive to survive. DTS exists to grow the US audience in order to tap that market, they are chasing money and and the entertainment and leaving the motorsport behind.
The FIA accepting the bid on sporting grounds and Liberty rejecting it on commercial grounds is literally both organisations doing their job. The FIA didn't have a reason to deny it as it met all their requirements, whereas F1 did.
I absolutely love watching F1. I have for decades. But as an American, I can't deny this video, especially the price point for spectators. My family looked into buying me tickets to the US GP a few years back as a gift for a major milestone, but the prices were so insane that we picked the cheaper option: a weekend in Manhattan and tickets to more than one Broadway show.
F1 management wants US money, not US teams and drivers.
F1 fans want US teams and drivers, not US money.
Give us Andretti and Newgarden over another soulless US street track with more fanfare than race and stupid prices
very selective abut your presentation, many pay drivers in every motorsport, and american drivers were hijacked by having to race on tracks that are just circles, because that is the culture regardless of it actually building any skill other than car control
the world puts drivers through rigorous competition with those accustomed to real tracks where real talent is fostered on the brakes, americans just don't have the infrastructure, because you think circles are real tracks
look at how shane van gisbergen just comes in and annihilates same with grosjean, mclaughlin, but then look at jimmy johnson, he may be able to fake race where the main thing is not dying, but it didn't translate to skill at achieving lap time, and he shamefully exited indy after 2 seasons
@@ACougarSwagnum firstly I'm not American, and yeah I'm not saying any NASCAR driver would be suitable for F1 (or vice versa). It's 2 completely different skillsets.
There are some Indycar drivers I would like to see give F1 a shot, given that's open-wheel and predominantly road courses. Grosjean was an ok mid-tier F1 driver and decent in Indy (he's quick but way too crash-happy, same as in F1), so there should be at least some overlap in talent, and it's unfortunate for the pinnacle of motorsport to be almost completely absent of one of the world's largest motorsporting nations.
Thank you for posting this, F1 is so boring now, People argue that Lewis dominance was boring, at least there was competition in Lewis’ days
That’s the best way it could be described;
2014-16; you had a pissfight between Lewis and Nico for three years and Lewis won 2-1 of em.
2017 and 2018; Ferrari were genuine threats until they starting doing Ferrari things.
2019 and 2020 were the only true ‘title lockup’ years.
2021: we all know how that ended.
And now? It’s just the Dutch anthem on repeat.
And yet the fans will describe it as hypocrisy.
Buncha entitled lumps.
Between 2018-2020 there wasn't really any competition let's be honest 😅
@@barobaro1 19 and 20 were the only questionable years but at least there was other winners besides lewis in those years
Best comment I’ve seen about this thank you so much for understanding that Lewis domination period was just different from this
Perfect timing
As an F1 fan, it makes me very sad that Andretti is not permited entry when Haas, Sauber (Not that Stake/Kick BS), The Red Bull Jr Team, and Alpine are burning cash on underperformance
As a f1 fan, I understand this video and I’m torn as well. A few points:
1. F1 is typically defined by periods of dominance. 2021 is an outlier. It’s typically defined by one team / driver pairing killing the game until the tech regs change (Hamilton, Schumacher, Vettel, etc). The fun has always been in watching how the rest of the grid evolves.
2. The Andretti rejection was actually trash and they’ll never hear the end of it, rightfully so. The only reason they did it was to maintain the existing team’s value.
3. COTA is the last somewhat affordable f1 race, and it’s the only one I actually go to. F1’s recent pricing is stupid at the moment, and they’ll be burned in the long run. The Miami and Vegas GP pricing is horsecrap and will fail eventually (Miami in particular - no one likes that race).
Agree on all points But wish to add a very contradictory issue Liberty Media has created. With the inane cost cap, the competition can not throw serious cash into catching up. In many ways it's like the DRS scenario. How many years have they been saying they are doing everything they can to allow cars to pass? Money will alway$ change everything. Alway$$$.
From slapshoe's dam of legitimacy video: "is this guy on drugs or something" about Brian France. I wonder if it's the same about the leaders of legacy or f1 that addiction is affecting their decisions.
F1 fan since 2004. Or rather, WAS an F1 fan since 2004. The elitism behind F1 has disillusioned me, since 2021, from a sport that I dreamed of competing in when I was a kid. The fact that if you aren't groomed from young in a driver academy, you need to pay MILLIONS to even have a *shot* at getting a drive. They race in places that have horrific human rights records (this stems back to their founding in the 50's btw, having raced in Francoist Spain). Actively denying teams a spot, including those backed by *former F1 champions* all for the sake of keeping more money to fewer teams ruins any sense of competition. There's much more down the elitism rabbit hole you can go if you want to talk about F1 & its relation to it. The way it restricts competition, fresh talent, new teams and price points for fans, which would _actually_ create a product F1 fans would stick around for, has ruined the sport.
this is the moment ellyproductions became s1apsh0es
Really well thought-out and strongly presented video, I think the frustration with Liberty Media is a pretty tangible undercurrent in the online F1 fan circles I run in (no pun intended). Thanks for the great watch!
*and y'all thought Hamilton dominating F1 was boring...*
Liberty media rejecting andretti is absolutely outrageous.
The las Vegas (and Miami) Gp is bullshit.
But the FIA not making an exemption for a not even top indycar driver is warranted in my eyes. If he had done better in indycar he could have had enough points.
F1 as in liberty media wants everyone's money not just the US.
If they cared about the sport we would still race in Hockenheim and sepang.
Pretty much all F1 fans hate liberty media. The moment he took charge and started making terrible decision after terrible decision, Domenicalli became public enemy number one for the fanbase.
I can live with americans pronouncing grand prix how they do, but that carlos sainz pronunciation killed me.
you do realise that no one outside of america cares about nascar while F1 is worldwide right? not really a fair comparison at the end there
Nascar and f1 are like tf2 and csgo.
Nascar is usually see as this casual, simple to understand sport that have calm, wild, and humorous drivers in its life, like tf2 it was never talk alot in a competitive way and usually is seen as a fun way to kill some time.
F1 is like csgo, its the high class racing series of motorsports, the elite esport of racing, with competitive drivers and fans everywhere, and if you dare to make fun of them or even make a joke they will tear you apart bit by bit.
very interesting comparison ngl
sounded like something straight outta my imaginations
Holy shit this makes so much sense
And this is why im investing my time in WEC, more raw talent and not too far gone from the golden age.
Same- WEC and IMSA are in a great place at the moment with strong fields, genuine manufacturer support and a lot of new and old talent.
Trying to figure out how to watch Super GT again just cause the races I did watch were pretty hectic.
The WEC is looking more and more like it's going to be my premiere motorsport this year, F1 has made a mockery of itself in such a short time it's insane.
I got pissed of about Andretti big time too, but think about it, the European institution, FIA, gave Andretti the green light. The American ownership, Liberty media, was the one who shut him down.
Also, why do you "have" to have an American driver? The others aren't good enough? Even between the Indycar drivers, I'd get Palou over Herta any day of the week, because he's proven again and again to be superior.
The problems F1 has aren't 'no American drivers' or 'no American teams'
The problems are:
Andretti should have been able to enter. By all measures of competitive integrity and fairness, he should have been allowed in. He ticked all the boxes.
Too many street races. They keep ditching purpose built tracks for street circuits, that usually don't improve the racing. 3-4 street tracks is all we need.
Some racetracks flat out don't deserve to be on the calendar. Miami is probably the worst offender in this. It is the most forgettable, bland piece of tarmac I've ever seen racing take place at. We'd all be much happier it was ditched from the calendar, or if we went to a proper racetrack like Road America instead.
And to the people who cry about the racing.....please stop. This isn't a spec series like NASCAR or Indycar. At least 70% of the competition in F1 is the arms race about who will build the best car. It pushes innovation instead of stopping it, like NASCAR does. The biproduct is that the cars are less closely matched, and Max Verstappen wins every race by 20 seconds because Adrian Newey is an aero wizard who got things right early on and stubbornly refuses to be outdeveloped by others.
Complaining about the racing is justified there's no reason for it to be this hard for teams with similar budgets to compete with whose out in front getting GAPPED by 20 seconds for 2 seasons in a row shouldn't be possible and F1 doesn't help balance it out that is incredibly bad I don't blame NASCAR or Indycar for going the spec route who gives af about competition when you can throw money at your problems
@@taylortnt1175if you wish to blame someone for the bad racing, don't blame the rules. Blame the engineers at all teams but RedBull, who got caught with their pants down by Newey, and now can't catch back up. What should F1 do? Reward the teams that failed to make a fast car by trying to nerf RedBull? And if that happens, isn't it unfair to RedBull to get nerfed just because the others f*ed up their designs?
I would agree with your last paragraph except that it's not really an arms race right now, is it? red bull are ahead by a mile. I don't think they should be "punished" for making the best car, I can just admit it kills a lot of the excitement
North America should give the middle finger to Liberty and F1 by forgetting their elite club and restoring the CANAM super series giving a format that excites fans and builders alike where the only restriction is 4 wheels. Wacky racers utilizing all the latest technologies and powerplants from diesel to Electric to Hydrogen. As a kid growing up with the CANAM series I miss the excitement and competition. We dont need boring F1 cars that are all the same we want diversity and no restrictions to drive innovation and design to new levels surpassing F1 cars !
F1's a business, just like Nascar or any other motorsport. They're always going to be loyal to the money. The difference is F1 has always been for the rich and the elite. When you get a ridiculously expensive sport, you get pay drivers. Nascar has pay drivers too. Nascar may have originated from the working man, but that doesn't mean that the odd rich kid never paid their way into the sport. F1 has had its rags to riches stories before too, but they're more the exception rather than the rule.
F1 rejecting Andretti was not unforeseen, in fact the writing was on the wall fairly well in advance that Andretti wasn't going to get in. It was nothing personal, they're just upholding the status quo i.e. less people in the club means more money for all of us in the club. Even as early as the 2000s, F1 was looking to downsize itself down to 20-22 cars on the grid. It's a business. So they're going to make business decisions. Is it fair? No. But it's how it is, and likely how it will always be. That probably doesn't make it sting any less for Andretti's sake, but what are you going do about it? Yes, I want Andretti to be the 11th team too. But what are you going to do about it?
Now as much as people might have been up in arms about Colton Herta getting rejected, but I have no reason to believe that Colton Herta would be as good in an F1 car as Nicholas Latifi or Nikita Mazepin would've been. Not sure if you've noticed, but he's kind of fallen off a cliff since his 2021 campaign.
F1 does not care about the US, just US money. But you could also say the same about China, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, even Russia up until recently. You really think that they're holding races in these places to bring F1 to the good citizens and racing fans of Qatar and the UAE? I mean no disrespect to anyone from those places, but you don't think they aren't just treating these other places as their own private resort? No, they don't care about Saudi Arabia, China, the UAE, or any of these other oil rich gulf countries they're holding races at. They just care about their money. It's a business as I said before.
F1 has never really been about constant wheel to wheel action. It's nice when you get it and you get a competitive grid without one dude flying off 30 seconds into the distance never to be seen again. But this has never really been the norm. It's not really in the nature of single seaters. F1 has been more about engineering marvels and having the best drivers drive around at insane speeds nearly breaking their necks. If that's not your thing, that's fine. There's something out there for everyone. If you want constant wheel to wheel racing, you still have your IMSAs. You still have your WECs. Even your MotoGPs as well.
Watching one guy rocket off into the distance never to be seen again is not fun. It wasn't fun when Lewis was doing it. It wasn't fun when Schumacher was doing it. And it also wasn't any more fun when Jimmie Johnson did it either. Domination is boring, but it's the norm in motorsport in many ways. Part of the fun is waiting for someone to topple the tower. Who will be the one who will bring the fight to Max? Who will slay the dragon? Will anyone slay the dragon? How will they slay the dragon? That's sort of the point of it.
Apologies if this has gone on too long. I had a fair amount I just wanted to put out there and being brief has never been a strong suit of mine.
The payed drivers that drives in Nascar are quite talented but people don't want to admit that sometimes.
ironically if people start getting disgusted at the fact that Max is a domination machine will start pissing off people enough to get bored of viewing F1. That shear domination will possibly lead to less views which would mean all of F1 would start losing money. That is an interesting possibility
Boiling it all down, motorsport is a business, F1 is unfortunately no different, motorsports at the top tier nowadays is about money, not talent, I'm not even mad at Verstappen's dominance, I feel towards him the same way I felt about Jimmie Johnson when he was dominating NASCAR, "You don't like him? Find a way to beat him." F1 is suffering from a lot of the same problems NASCAR did in the 2010's, their evolving too much, too fast, looking too much outward instead of looking inward, it's about who has the most money and not about talent, like imagine a completely normal kid in America, not rich but in a good place, coming across an F1 race one day when looking for something to watch, seeing the stupid fast speeds of the F1 Cars, deciding that's what he wants to do, he begins going through the full process, all the way through F2, but at best becomes a reserve driver because he doesn't have the money to put into a team, what I just described is the absolute best case scenario for a rookie driver from America trying to get into F1 today, worst case they get stuck in F2 hell, best case they get Liam Lawson'd because it's not about talent, it's about money, and the worst part of all of it? Much like all sports, there are still going to be people who watch, because F1, despite everything, is still the same at it's core, the best drivers in the world racing against each other...even though some of those "Best drivers" wouldn't even be there if it wasn't for the money in someone elses pocket.
(I apologize for the long as hell comment, this has been on my mind for a while, and this video brought it out of me in the worst way, amazing video as always Elly)
Liberty have been the downfall of F1. They've turned F1 into a show, rather than a sport. Even under Ecclestone, there was still a sporting aspect to it. Bring back crooked Bernie. At least he was a former team owner and from a racing background.
As a long time American F1 fan this is not as big of a deal as you think it is. F1 has always gone through periods of dominance and hasn't always made decisions that the fan base likes. I don't agree with the rejection of Andretti, but it was always going to happen. F1 teams have struggled for decades to achieve profitability. However, with the recent success of F1, the implementation of the cost cap, and new prize money distribution even the smallest teams are. F1 rejected Andretti because the teams voted to, because they believe that splitting the money 11 ways instead of 10 will cost them more than the value that Andretti will bring in. This could compromise the profitability and therefore security of the smaller teams. As for Herta all he had to do was finish higher to get an opportunity. Stroll and Latifi aren't that good, but they did prove themselves capable in lower categories. Mazepin was terrible, but he was only brought in because Hass was going bankrupt and the same could be said for Latifi frankly. But surprise surprise when the cost cap was brought in and F1 teams became more profitable Latifi and Mazepin disappeared. If you want to get rid of pay drivers then the smallest teams need to remain financially secure. F1 isn't perfect, but it certainly isn't out to get Americans.
Also Liberty Media is just the commercial rights holder they didn't vote to reject Andretti, FOM did, which is a group made up of the teams. FOM has been in a feud with the FIA over control of the series over the last few years hence the difference in decisions by the two groups.
Also F1 doesn't look like DTS or like the 2021 season (usually) which seems to frustrate a lot of people. DTS is a dramatization and 2021 was a once in a decade season. The regular grind is much less exciting, but us long time fans still love it and get excited for every race. I hope that more fans, especially in the US can temper their expectations and learn to love F1 for what it is.
Difference is that no-one ever cared about nascar outside of the us.
I got into F1 after the 2021 season because I thought, “oh wow! so much parity now that somebody other than lewis has won a championship.” Boy was I ever wrong. As you said in an earlier video, I hate opening Twitter every weekend and seeing WINNER: VERSTAPPEN in my feed. It’s a shame. I don’t even dislike Max I just want some actual competition
Watch IndyCar, F2 and F3 if you want a competitive open wheel series.
very selective abut your presentation, many pay drivers in every motorsport, and american drivers were hijacked by having to race on tracks that are just circles, because that is the culture regardless of it actually building any skill other than car control
the world puts drivers through rigorous competition with those accustomed to real tracks where real talent is fostered on the brakes, americans just don't have the infrastructure, because you think circles are real tracks
look at how shane van gisbergen just comes in and annihilates same with grosjean, mclaughlin, but then look at jimmy johnson, he may be able to fake race where the main thing is not dying, but it didn't translate to skill at achieving lap time, and he shamefully exited indy after 2 seasons
@@BiggieTrismegistus there's more to being a fan than just wanting to watch competitive racing, people get attached to drivers and teams. we want the racing series with our favourite drivers and teams in it to be competitive!
Only 3 of the 22 F1 races were won by drivers other than Verstappen in 2023.
I love Indycar. Been watching it almost all my life
babe wake up elly productions just posted
F1 has always been an elitist sport for rich boys. A sport more about money than actual competition. Americans are just experiencing it for the first time. Yall just need to figure it out and convert to MotoGP, or literally any other motorsport, you'll have a better time.
Every time Max has issues its an really interesting race. WEC, IMSA, Indycar,and F2 are much better this year.
and nascar
The current superlicense system has only been around since 2015, to prevent a Max Verstappen scenario of a 17 year old coming up into F1
Ya but it's still a broken system tbh
Just F1 things
Yeah! Pay drivers are the worst thing and makes Formula 1 lose all its credibility!
Well tbf, pay drivers have always been a part of motorsports (I mean it's really expensive even at the karting level) but at least in Nascar, most of the drivers have to build experience and clout before they ever reach the big leagues
very selective abut your presentation, many pay drivers in every motorsport, and american drivers were hijacked by having to race on tracks that are just circles, because that is the culture regardless of it actually building any skill other than car control
the world puts drivers through rigorous competition with those accustomed to real tracks where real talent is fostered on the brakes, americans just don't have the infrastructure, because you think circles are real tracks
look at how shane van gisbergen just comes in and annihilates same with grosjean, mclaughlin, but then look at jimmy johnson, he may be able to fake race where the main thing is not dying, but it didn't translate to skill at achieving lap time, and he shamefully exited indy after 2 seasons
And yet, Juan Pablo Montoya came to NASCAR from F1 and the only thing he did on an oval involved a jet dryer and a fireball.
Andretti got denied because the current teams are unhappy with the $200 million entry fee being too low. Teams are worth more than ever and Andretti could get in buying an existing team or in 2026 when the fee is tripled at minimum.
The funniest thing about the Andretti rejection is that now, Audi is considering not entering F1 with Sauber in 2026 so Andretti still has a chance of entering F1 if they partner up with Sauber in the case of Audi not entering lmao
Some pointers:
1. You’re criticizing Haas for being mediocre and using Andretti’s success in other motorsports as a reason why they would be better than Haas on the F1 grid BUT you forget that Haas was and is a decorated team in other motorsports yet that didnt translate into F1. So your argument is invalid.
2. The Superlicense points system is pretty solid. Btw you somehow dismiss the fact that even the worst of the so called “pay-drivers” made the 40 points needed to get the Superlicense. It also makes a lot of sense that the categories closer linked to F1 would give out more points towards a Superlicense.
3. Last but not least. F1 was the biggest motorsport by far even long before it ever became popular in the US. Youre talking about the consequences of F1 losing US popularity as if it would be the end for F1. But it really wouldnt. Most og F1 fans dont even like the US tracks apart from Austin. Las Vegas is another shitty street track and dont even get me started on Miami. Even in its hay day Nascar wasnt even close in popularity to F1 and it was only popular in the US so of course a hit in US popularity would be a big deal for Nascar. But youre comparing apples to oranges
Thank you.
I think he’s trying to point out how the best drivers in the world can be denied a super license while performing better than someone who got a license for being pretty good in f2
Don’t forget they have plans to run a Chicago street race
Nah, that's Nascars track
F1 is already hemorrhaging their core fans. From the new and unasked for street tracks leaving way better established tracks behind over more entertainment then the actual sport, ending by rejecting Andretti. Every fan that has more knowledge about Motorsport then Drive to Survive is pissed. Since last year I am contemplating to quit my F1 TV subscription as the races do not awake the excitement anymore from years ago.
Something to remember - outside of North America, Andretti is not a big deal. Sure, Mario won the championship 40-odd years ago, but Michael? He turned up, crashed repeatedly, and left before the end of the season. The Andretti Team? A mid-tier Indy team, who last won a championship over a decade ago. Andretti in other forms of motorsport? No-one cares...
It may not be the popular view in the US, but in the light of my previous paragraph, Liberty's decision makes sense. A lot can happen in 3 years, so there was no guarantee that GM/Cadillac would ever turn up, and if they did turn up, there was no guarantee of competitiveness. Michael has already demonstrated an unwillingness to commit to F1 in his driving career, so Liberty are bound to question his commitment as a team owner. And the Andretti Team has not produced results that would raise eyebrows for years in Indycar, so why would Liberty let another team in? Just for numbers? For that matter, why would the other TEAMS let a new team in..?
As I see it, from the point-of-view of F1, Liberty's decision makes sense. And this isn't coming from an F1 fan - I gave up on the sport years ago, in favor of endurance, V8Supercars, and NASCAR (which is also turning into a joke). The nearest I've come to watching an F1 race in the last few years was the highlights of the 2021 final, with the Masi stitchup. Other'n that, the only F1 I've watched is crash compilations & historic doco's...
I feel like I see way more nascar fans hate on f1 than the other way around. It’s 2 different Motorsports for people of different demographics there’s not really a point in arguing about it
It’s not just NASCAR WEC And INDY all like to punch up at F1. While F1 doesn’t really pay them much attention.
@@rexthewolf3149 that’s true. I’m not involved as much in wec and Indy so I see it from nascar fans since I’m also a nascar fan. But Indy needs to focus on staying alive because they may literally only have 1 manufacturer soon
I agree and I think it's because NASCAR has taken a plunge. I don't want to say, "dying" but it's not doing good. Even though the racing, in my opinion, has been a lot better compared to years prior.
But it does seem like F1 may be making similar mistakes that made NASCAR go from the second largest spectator sport in the US to being as popular as golf.
@@sasquatch7234 To be honest I don’t agree with the abandonment of old markets part of this video. Germany and France are the only two major European countries to not have races but those countries have been having issues long before Liberty owned the sport. If F1 falls off here it won’t as catastrophic as NASCARs.
@@rexthewolf3149you say that now but let's just see in a decade's time shall we
this video is about as exaggerated as drive to survive
Hurt your feelings 😂😂
I’m considering buying grandstand tickets to Miami but my pockets don’t wanna
Paid Driving was always there... in the 70s it was even more extreme.. having 6 drivers waiting in the same team for a carseat
I, as a NASCAR fan, warned F1 fans about this on a comment I left on another video. Lo and behold, my warning is becoming true.
and before any gives any gripes, yes, yes I *did* try to get into F1. But between the elitist attitude, they're treating of the USA and us Americans as cash cows, how our drivers are treated as the outsiders and how unwelcomed they are, the lack of on track action and how every race is more of a spectacle than an actual race, money chasing instead of going to nations that actually deserve to host a race, and how every race can be dominated by just one driver? I was driven away. I tried it. Multiple times. I hate F1. I hate the fact that I even KNOW F1. And unless they change for the better? I'm not gonna waste any more of my breath or my time on them.
For me NASCAR was always the sport I watched for good racing and F1 for entertainment, now F1 is still fun but their continuous ignoring of fans will catch up with them. A very telling thing is how every F1 youtuber is scared their videos might get taken down by F1 while NASCAR is actively encouraging content about the sport, very telling about F1's attitude towards their fans and their money
Ya they basically see their fans as nothing but walking wallets
Nascar is always willing to make RUclipsrs grow the sport. Even in December when every RUclipsr videos that's is Nascar related content got copyright claimed by RUclips but it's not Nascar that done it, it was RUclips thats copyright claiming for no reason when NASCAR them selfs says they want youtubers them selfs to promote the sport.
@@MoterSport33 Ya and even full races are allowed on the site, so long as they're more than 5 years old apparently
@@xavierjuno4572 NASCAR even posts every race in full to their RUclips channel about 3 days after for people that missed it
I watched F1 for all of my life, and I just can't stomach DTS. Probably because I know all the manufactured drama, radio messages played at wrong times, it just irritates me more than being enjoyable.
WHAT THE FECK IS A KILOMETER?
One of these days America will catch up with the rest of the world
How can people that watch F1 say that NASCAR iS JuST tUrNinG LefT when there sport is the least entertaining thing to watch
We got 10 roadcources, Nascar does.
Not to mention, the "Just turning left" insult doesn't have the same power as it used to have considering stuff like the road courses.
@@protostnl6369 yep
An 11th team absolutely would bring value to the championship, especially if they keep the grid size at 20 cars.
Especially when that team is named "Andretti" and backed by General Motors. Even Americans who have never seen a race associate the name "Andretti" with racing and GM is the largest automaker in the US. You can't ever convince me a combo between the two wouldn't bring in a ton of money.
the grid size isn't 20, it's 24 or 26 (can't remember which). they just don't have enough teams right now to fill it.
Well as a french F1 fan we hate the way liberty media manages F1 as well
ill never understand why tickets in the us are very expensive, when i went to the qatar gp, t3 grandstand ticket was 250 euros
Last year's have had many American drivers?
Cheko is American?
Lance stroll is American?
Nick Latifi is American?
North American even!
Go further back, and you have had Pastor Maldonardo, Felipe Massa, Rubens Barichello, crashgateboy in 2008, etc, but they might not count, as they are pesky South Americans...?
He meant American as in from the United States of America.
As an Italian, this wont change anything here. Ferrari is part of our culture. Ask anyone here and they'll know who Leclerc is (not Sainz, he's not worthy). We just can't let this sport go
Finally someone that gets it. If you get to fall for F1 and really love it, nothing can change that.
For a guy who's "not worthy", Sainz has more wins than Leclerc in the past 30 races
@@thesourceofthenile Has he won at Monza? Nope, Carletto did
Sainz has been performing better than Leclerc though. Leclerc will become irrelevant once Hamilton in Ferrari
@@bakashinji Doesn't change the fact that everyone in Italy knows his name
This has been needed to be said in this format. Thank you
NASCAR, *_better you DONT DARE_*_ to reject Honda._
nascar's goal with the next gen was to get a new manufacturer so its pretty much up to honda if they want in or not
@@justpzjNASCAR has been begging for YEARS for a new manufacturer. They will take Honda if Honda really wants in.
@@justpzj And i hope they want to go in.
I'm worried for Chevrolet and Toyota.
Chevy because next year the Camaro will make no sense in NASCAR (since it wont be manufactured anymore, and it does not make sense to pull an ARCA racing with a non-existent model), and Toyota because in the Cup, it isnt that many teams racing it.
A 4th brand indeed could help a lot, so i hope they bring the Accord, and whatever they put in the Xfinity and Trucks.
@HirokaAkita
Personally I feel a couple teams are probably gonna switch to Toyota next season, they seem pretty fast this year so far in the Cup series. As for Chevy, they'll probably still stick around even without the Camari. They basically supply the entire Xfinity series except for 10 or so cars.
@@SonicSpeed0705from what GM had told Nascar, they're planning on keeping the Camaro until at least 2025-2026, so hopefully by then they have a new model to work with
F1 is better off without the US.