Wolves in Wyoming - The Real Gunsmith
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- Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2017
- With a lifetime of horseback riding, exploring and hunting the Northwest corner of Wyoming, Randy gives us his first hand account of the drastic change and impact the wolf has had on the wildlife of Wyoming. With a dramatic reduction in elk numbers and now a close to nonexistent moose population we have a serious problem in Wyoming and other states in the West. PLEASE click on the links in the pinned post below for more information!
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here is a tidbit for you Randy...... several years ago they reinstituted the Red Wolf on half of St George Island (a tourist island!) ...... they claimed it was the original habitat!..... my question was "what will they eat?" .... so after they spent all that money and declared "public land" and such, that area is covered now with TOWNHOMES AND APARTMENTS......why? ..... THEY DIDN't know crap about what they were doing..... incidently I grew up partying on St George Island and can tell you that it ain't very big......unbelievable scam.... I am 65 yrs old
l agree its a socialist doctrine & listened to you sayng nobody cares,& they are paid not to care for those in power know that in reality & hold on to your horses there is no valid constitutionbut if you are for real about grizzly,wolves & there bs agenda ,check it out
I’ve been reporting on this for ten years. Great job!
Thanks, Scott, we know you have. Keep up the good work.
You are one of the few that have told the truth about what's going on. Thank you so much
Declare war on the wolf. Sometimes the people have to rise up and do what's necessary.
Quickly becoming one of my favorite channels. Keep ‘em coming.
Why, thank you DocNiemo! Randy and Bryon of Ravenhawk Media have another coming out this week. And more to be edited and posted. We are trying to get one out every week, but, alas, sometimes life gets hectic and it's only a few a month. But the response has been great and we plan on continuing. Stay tuned and good shooting!
They brought Canadian Grey Wolves into Montana, which were bigger than the Timber Wolf that was made extinct in Montana. Today the Grey Wolf has caused more trouble than what they are worth. Everyone cried NO! but the feds did it anyway. Ranchers lost livestock and our deer and elk herds in some areas have diminished. I was told by a Montana Fish and Game rep that the wolf has a right to be in the lower 48 and they are needed. I responded about the deer and elk herds and the impact these wolves would have and was basically told my opinion didn't matter .
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Yes they did.
The only areas with remotely a game overpopulation issue is back in the north east where hunting has gone down dramatically with no other predators
@@Yutter89 We've got a much lower density of whitetail deer, rabbits, and turkeys here in western Pennsylvania because of huge numbers of coyotes. The stray cats are not much of an issue anymore, so we have that going for us. We've just traded one out-of-control predator for another.
Dear sir we are going through the same problems here in Wisconsin our wolf population is skyrocketing in the northern one-third of the state the deer population is gone they've even ceased to have a buck season there because of no deer
Randy Thank you for this excellent video. I too have travelled the high country my entire life and your video is dead on, as usual.
Someone should find a nice knob to observe the best area with a nice .220 swift or 25/06 or similar rig , and help out the local fauna !
A world of knowledge is being shared with us. Keep up the great work. Just acquired a WBY 300 Mag Kicks like a Mule.
You need a muzzle brake. It will tame it down a lot.
FYI, our mules don't kick! ;)
I see you sent an email. This is Cathy, The Real Gunsmith's Wife.
We are behind on responding as our internet was out for 36 hours or so, and phone was, off and on, during that time.
One of our mules colicked and we were trying to save her. Unfortunately that did not work. So hoping to catch up on the backlog of emails today.
Thanks for watching and Happy New Year!
They want to stop ppl from hunting game . And turn in your guns .
That’s the underlying agenda. Get rid of hunting, one more step toward banning guns.
I agree with you completely Randy . An old freind of mine trim down in Cody , Jack Peterson was real worried about this exact thing when they brought them in . We have been shooting them in Montana for a while but they are way to smart for that . We finally got some better trapping regs this year and if we can beet back the cry babies from the coast we may just widle th down some . Grizzlies are running us over now, have to get them opened up too.
Absolutely correct. The wolf is a regal and powerful animal that is rightfully the stuff of legend. The Canadian wolf especially.. It was completely
irresponsible to introduce such a powerful predator without a proven method of population management and range limitation. As a top predator, they have no enemy. They hunt with intelligence and determination. With prey available, they WILL reproduce to limit of food supply, and then break off a population and extend territory into newly available prey, including not only traditional wildlife, but livestock as well. At this point the situation is so out of control the only way to recover populations of deer and elk, and to protect livestock, is to reduce the population and range of the wolf. Out where I live they ‘protected’ the sea lion. In short order they have destroyed dock facilities all over the coast and destroyed what little remained of the Salmon runs. The lions have even gone into freshwater, upriver to the dams and rapids where they NEVER had previously been seen, and chowed down on soon to spawn fish as they congregate and prepare to go up the fish ladders or shoot the currents. Of course it is illegal to even bother the lions, let alone dispatch them into seagull and crab food. Its a frigging disaster of high order, just as wolf running rampant and uncontrolled in the mountain states.
We didn't know that about the sea lion, Jennifer Whitewolf. Thanks for sharing, but DANG! That is another horrid example of "management" by feelings and not science.
Lived in California for 25 yrs & had a friend who was a fishing guide, who had guide friends, & reading of the devastation to the salmon & steel head I know the lady to be correct.
If the Native American Indians would declare those harbor seal to be part of their national heritage, food supply, there is nothing the communist gov could do about it !! Start an industry perfume, fur coats, leather, dog food, etc, they could make millions, & put a hole bunch of people to work in each of several processing plants + trucking in between. While in Cal I tried to get this going, was unsuccessful. Maybe this young lady could swing it . Possible do the same with the wolves .
Well of course the Governor and Game and Fish are buddies...they're practically neighbors. I used to deliver the Denver Post to (at that time) Governor Ed Herschler and the Game and Fish department was right across I-25 from his "mansion" in Cheyenne. Now that I live in Wisconsin, I see some of the same issues with the wolves up here. We have a "pack" named after our township up in the northwoods. Our DNR thought it was a good idea to introduce them...all it's done is reduce the deer population and cattle. They want to re-introduce Elk here. It's not going to work once the wolves find them...it'll only take a couple of years and they'll be gone.
Randy,
I love wolves; however, not a the expense of our native wildlife. They were brought in and allowed to spread far and wide uncontrolled to devastate our game animals and livestock. Your analysis of the situation is correct. The federal government needs to be challenged and brought under control. Thank you for standing up.
Thanks Linda. Check out Jim Beers on wolves here on YT as well as Ted B. Lyon The Real Wolf on YT and his book by the same name. We appreciate you watching.
The wolves in Wyoming come from yellowstone. And the state of Wyoming allows the hunting of wolves anytime of the year without a hunting license. What exactly do you want...as a "wolf lover"
I'm in Florida and we're seeing similar issues with the eastern coyote and pigs. The issue is ignored or used to leverage political agenda against hunting and public lands. Hell, we have no open-use public lands anymore. It's all cordoned off in "Wildlife Management Areas." The state controls where you can go and when you can go there. It's an awful tragedy for all. But voters are indifferent, blind, or led astray by politics.
Please keep putting out content like this!
I am also from the valley and just returned from hunting deer on the greys river and the wolves are everywhere! I saw fresh sign all over, as well as 2 kills from wolves not even 3 miles from the road. Yes we can hunt them, but I feel that it isn’t enough, and the elk, moose and deer are almost completely gone. Over a 2 day opener deer hunt, I think I only heard a max of 12 shots and only 2 bucks that I know of were killed.
Sad, our country is being attacked on many fronts. This is another.
Yes it is. Our youngest son did learn today that the G & F is admitting there are more wolves than they knew about [something he and Randy among others have told them for ages!] so it appears we'll have a more liberal hunting season this fall. We can hope!
This is happening all over the west, I would be ashamed if I was a conservation officer. The name is even a political lie. They should be in jail. They are people and money managers.. it's all about the $... Wildlife needs highway fences . You are right they don't care, it's part of the plan to disarm the public
In Michigan a trail Camera at a coyote den had 84 whitetail fawns Brought to it in a summer one den
Geez!
Let me tell you what has happened in Wisconsin with the reintroduction of the Timberwolf. Since I've been hunting in northern Wisconsin in the Douglas County area, for the last 25 years, I have seen it go from the number two and three top producing zone for bucks in Wisconsin to way way down to an embarrassingly small number of deer produced there. It was not unusual for us to go and register our deer at the end of opening day or the second day of opening weekend and ask them how many deer they had registered at that station. The numbers were typically 650, 700-800 deer for that opening weekend at that particular registration station. A few years ago before they went to call in your own registration through cell phone. Before this went into neing,I stopped at one of our registration stations up there and ask how many deer have been taken on opening weekend so far at their registration station. It was a Monday afternoon. The person told me including that guy sitting at the bar the total numbers here have been 37. All of Northern Forest woodlands in Wisconsin have been decimated in their deer populations. There has been a steady and precipitous decline in the last 15 to 20 years. I did talk to a forestry management person up in Douglas County Northern Wisconsin about 10 years ago. He said at that time that there were over 70 known packs in Douglas County alone. I asked him how many are in a pack? He told me a minimum of three up to the low teens. So, about five years ago they had the first Open Season where they allowed a certain number of wolves to be taken. I think around 50. after those numbers were reached the hunt would be stopped and it would only take a couple of weeks usually to get that. Into the third year of this hunt the whole process has been stopped because of political action And putting the wolf back on the endangered species list. this is decimating the joy of going up north and hunting in Wisconsin forests. I know many people that are only going up for the tradition, but aren't seeing any deer to speak of. the only areas that have seen real big deer numbers are in the central and southern Farmland zones. The people that are getting the deer are those land owners that have permanent elevated blinds and can snipe a deer from three or four hundred yards. gone are the days of going up north and getting a deer in the forest lands. and the DNR is wondering why The numbers of new hunters and young Hunters is on the decline. Go figure that one.
Northern Maine in a nutshell. Except it isn’t the wolves here, it’s the coyotes.
Wolves were never gone from the great lakes region and they migrate naturally between there and Canada.
Sir your absolute in your statements this country wildlife will not stand without the liberty to keep this wolfs in check . Here in the south have liberty to take coyotes and still have not control them. Thanks for making this video I’m sharing it to every social media I can.
Thanks Bobby Jo! I appreciate your sharing far and wide. You may suggest people also watch the hour long Jim Beers YT video on wolf introduction and check out the book, The Real Wolf by Ted Lyons. Both great resources.
Randy sir you hit it right on the nail head! It all boils down to greed, money and the fact that they don't want us to be able to live off the land or to pass these wonderful things down. I'm seeing the same kind of crap in my part of the country!
I was told by an old trapper who was told by another even older one, when they poisoned wolves they took a poisoned liver and threw it on a hot campfire rock. The liver would stick to the rock preventing a wolf removing it. When Jr. came back after a feed on the liver his pack would sniff his mouth and think, oh liver dinner, lets follow Jr. when he goes back for another meal. This would get most if not all the pack.
Absolutely correct, I remember what the wildlife used to be. I won’t even hunt up north anymore. Great video,
Recently a Forest Service employee was treed by wolves in Washington. She called for help and the FS hemmed and hawed because they didn’t want to disturb the wolf pack!
That was just SO wrong! And you notice that fact didn't come out right away. "They are just doing what wolves are supposed to do, don't go rescue her!" No wolves aren't supposed to be treeing humans!
Too bad if it was children or somebody unable to climb a tree. Sounds like the folks in charge of the regulation of hunting are anti hunting. We recently had a helicopter cull here in vic Australia for Sambar Deer. There’s three species in the area plus wild dogs and pigs and yet only sambar were targeted. Little information was released regarding how many crews etc but in just over a week they only shot 38 deer. It was pushed by our anti hunting anti fishing political party called “the greens” didn’t even make the news even tho it was tax payer funded.
I would add thst this Heritage of balanced wildlife is for Photography and Viewing as well.
Best Wishes from Montana! M.H
If anyone has ever listened to “In Color” by Jamey Johnson, Randy makes me think of the grandfather from the song talking to his grandson.
Thanks, now we'll have to listen to it!
When I was young we had pheasants and quail everywhere you looked. In the late 70's we had some rough winters and the pheasants and quail seemed to get blown away with the weather. But I know it wasn't the weather, they have worse weather in the Dakota's and still have birds. The state of Illinois didn't lift a finger to get birds back in our state and no one seemed to care. It's criminal! When I was a kid opening day started at noon. It was great to go to the restaurant uptown, everyone was up there with their red hats looking at the clock getting fed and ready to go hunting!!! I loved it. That's all gone now.......why!?
Thank you Old Timer 👊 May your Voice make Change in this Pad your pocket so called leadership we Working Americans Pay and Work for! The wolf is one of 100 changes We The People Deserve.
Thanks for watching! Our wolf season hasn't been stopped...yet. We hope the season quotas for WY can be expanded.
Same thing here in Europe. These people are completely devoid of any kind of experience but absolutely full of themselves. Authoritarians who think they are on the right side of history. And it's like that in every field, not just hunting. They are everywhere, where power over other peoples lives is to be held. And in their tracks the wolves come...
Thank you I explained to my son the same thing in Pennsylvania we now have coyotes never did before and there everywhere They were introduced deer populations and all wildlife in the mountains gone I use to see 20 deer a day 30 years ago now one or 2 a week. The turkey population way down. Now coyotes in packs come to turkey call
Your dam right Sir. If the Wolves are non-native , they don't belong here. Just like the Pythons, that are being removed, from the Big Cypress National Preserve in Florida . Keep fighting brother, many Americans feel the same way. God Bless You.
I live here in Northern Utah..... I've seen and heard wolves in our mountains... of course the DWR of Utah won't admit to wolves already being here. The wolves are expanding their range. Most of the people I know who hunt and frequent the mountains consider the wolf as an overgrown coyote.... take from that what you will. We as outdoorsman and hunters must take responsibility and protect our wildlife. Thanks for your videos.
We need to once again eradicate the wolf from Yellowstone and from Wyoming
They told us back in 95 that the wolves would be contained in the park. To me that meant any wolf outside the park was fair game.
A rancher in the Red Rock Lakes in Montana told me he lost 33 calves to wolves and grizzlies in one year.
You and I could sit down and have a good chat. I'm from Alberta, grew up on a trap line and just so happened to be involved in collaring/research for the Yellowstone project (I was young at the time, but can still remember it). while watching your video I pretty much told myself exactly what you were going to say next before it happened, specifically that the moose would be hit first, then move to the Elk. Moose will always been their primary target (for various reasons). We, along with many others, made our concerns known that our grays never belonged there. they're stronger, faster and have a stamina that doesn't fade compared to your extinct native wolf. That combined with a prey population that have no knowledge of how to escape, or what terrain will keep them relatively safe... they never had a chance. Sorry some traitors dumped our wolves on you. interestingly enough, the wolf you next see in your scope very well could be a descendent of a wolf I hand my hands on so many years ago.
Oh, yes we could from the information you supplied. A private pilot from northern Alaska flew some of the captured wolves. When he found out what they were doing he thought they were a bunch of fools. For the very reasons you state. He called me about gun work and when he realized where I was, we started talking wolves. This was 10-12 years ago. The problem has only increased since then.
Our governors, game departments in ID, MT and WY are complicit in the slaughter of our great game herds, not hunters. No accountability. :(
Absolute !
Same thing happened in Arizona. Wolves are now out of control. IN ARIZONA!
False the species Canis lupus bailey is endangered
I feel the backdrop of the wolves are sadly to stop hunting.
We have a bunch of cowards in this country now and when someone tries to stand up and do something nobody stands up for them.
We should have gotten Jerry Spence to fight against the wolves.
We just read a copy of a speech Jim Beers gave this past weekend. We agree. We don't have a wolf [bear, etc] problem, we have a government problem. landandwaterusa.blogspot.pe/2017/11/wolves-chaos.html It is a long read but worth the time.
Please look up and read The Real Wolf by Ted Lyons.
Watch this RFD-TV video on wolves and the destruction they cause: drive.google.com/file/d/1g87EI3Tk8XuKvUXl6RuxVRAL_z_NVLpa/view?fbclid=IwAR0CNwO9eI280AQLWNlZStubfUYSeJOmRGdwlGnAoGDVC-LM2KrP6g-JCa4
And in the Spring 2019 copy of Range magazine, read The Destruction of Nature by Marjorie Haun, an interview with Val Geist. [A link when it becomes available.]
Same was dine here with wild hogs, they are killing off out turkey and running the deer off. Started letting us shoot them anytime, now there is a "season". They have the woods looking like someone ran a tiller through them
Great video all truth the Wyoming game and fish is disgusting
Thanks. Keep after them. wgfd.wyo.gov/get-involved/forge-the-future And stay involved. They will get a lot of input [that they want] from non-hunters. It's amazing to us that they go to school to get all of the degrees in wildlife management, wildlife biologist etc, yet they want the "opinions" of the public to "learn" to manage wildlife.
Where I am in Ontario Canada we have coywolves, a crossbreed of coyote that hunts like wolves. They rarely ever come out till after dark.
They reintroduced elk here and they escaped early and ran for 100 miles. In farm country I don't want them here, hit one at night with my car and it was nearly a double kill but I did survive it. It was a farmed elk brought in from out west, had a radio collar on it. Of course no one at the ministry of natural resources ever contacted me and got zero compensation for pain and suffering and pain meds I pay for to this day. Crushed vertebra c5,c6 was fuzed later in a tough operation. Canadian wolves are large and very successful, bad idea to bring in anywhere.
We have quite a few moose in our part of Montana but the wolves haven’t gotten here yet.
same goes on in Pennsylvania with Coyote....
you got it right over the target.
Globilists
What can be done to keep make these people accountable?
I wish we had the answer to that. So we just keep after them. Help take part wgfd.wyo.gov/get-involved/forge-the-future As this stands there will be a LOT of input from non-hunters. Gadzooks!
Our founding fathers would be shooting by now...
Ron Wilson
It takes more than just boasting about shooting them with a certain gun. First you have to see them. I've hunted the Coeurdalene National Forest here in north Idaho for as long as these wolves have been here and have only come close enough to hear them twice.
I live and hunt in Montana and can see the decrease in game and herds moving into areas they never went to to try and avoid the wolves introduced. The FWP doesn't even seem to notice this nor the increase in wolf population because they cant physically see the wolf so they don't believe it exists. We had wolf packs all through Montana at more manageable levels ask any rancher that has been operating before and after " Reintroduction" These wolves have been there all along but they knew to fear going for most livestock now they don't care. I have a lot of family that farm and ranch out here that there biggest concerns were coyotes and cats, now its wolves.
False information do research
Well I understand hunters and ranchers alike shoot wolves on sight, wolves are destructive especially to ranchers. What a short sighted idea to introduce wolves.
Wildlife is a public asset. Wolves diminish that asset considerably. The citizens of Wyoming should demand a ballot item for greater public control over determining wolf numbers. Reintroduction should have been put to a public vote in the first place. It would have never passed.
Sadly, there are many people in WY that don't have a clue, either. Too many are too urbanized and "Disneyized".
If it would pass a ballot the same animal lovers that keep taking "us" to court to stop hunting, to change the ESA numbers upward and upward, would take the state to court to block THAT decision.
Something I don't understand is why THEY can use public funds, shop for judges to get the results they want, but WE can't.
Do you think there are any grizzlies or wolves in northwest North Dakota?
I am not familiar with that part of the country so wouldn't know. I do know that there have been reports of both in eastern MT, so it's not a stretch of the imagination to think NW ND could have some.
Thanks for watching.
We have em here in Indiana now Carroll county
Geez. Sorry. What is your Game and Fish policy?
The Real Gunsmith can't touch em
There are no wolves in Indiana
i live on a small farm in orange county newyork major coyote problem and i have many trail cam pictures of mtn lions but they tell me they do not exist.i am sure they will start to or have been killing deer but the small game is almost gone .rabbits are rare here.
The way they get rich and retire should burn in all are Hearts❤️We the people Love this Land and Work Hard for it👊🦅🐍🐺🇺🇸
It would be nice if "they" had to use their own funds to pay attorney fees and court costs, instead of our tax dollars! One of the things we can work on through our Congresspeople. Thanks for watching.
Politicians getting involved with our hunting and now showing their knowledge to our great farmers. A disaster.
Dear Randy, it is all the same in wildlife management as it is in the gun ballistics world, both are these days dominated by incompetent people. They have read the story of Red Riding Hood and call themselves wolf biologists. This trend is spreading all over the world and it seems that stupidity is contagious. As a wildlife biologist myself I have seen this nonsense management in a variety of european countries and also here in BC Canada. Like in the gun world people read all the BS that is around (on the internet and even written) and cannot differentiate fact from fiction. Field experience and common sense are hard to find and political correctness trumps thorough understanding. We curious observing oldtimers are a dying breed and maybe it is a good thing that we don't have to see the final consequences of modern societies actions.
where are from sir. I grew up in Lander, and would love to meet you.
We are in Wapiti, west of Cody. Go to our website for more information. randyscustomriles.com. Call for an appointment. Especially during hunting season! ;)
Our government does these things and puts these limits on things but doesn't follow up or monitor the out come. I agree there should be something done or somebody should be held accountable. It gets worse instead of better the stunts that some of these people pull.
we use to have awesome deer hunting in south east idaho in the mid 90s but by 2000 it started declining .. now its almost non existant..
Yes, we've heard that. saveelk.com, believe, has documented a lot of that.
I know this is random but my grandfather was named Selby. I would love to sit and chat with man.
That is neat. The way you word it, it was his first name? Even with the same last name there are a plethora of Selby's out there that may or may not be related. Thanks for sharing.
yes my wording was rough. I apologize.. yes Selby was his first name!
Not rough, but I [Cathy] thought it was what you meant, then I overthought it! ;)
I appreciate the attention you bring to these issues and the fact you are not afraid to voice them. I think more people need to do research independent from “Official” researchers and not be afraid to fight fire with fire. Our Freedoms are under constant attack by a growing Socialistic brainwashed society. I would Love to hear your thoughts on the growing CWD hysteria that seems to be yet another attack on sportsman, private and public land owners. It seems very little stewardship of our resources is being done by the agencies paid to do so. The Free Man is being regulated into a box on his own land by his own people and is the only one with the power to stop it.
Any news on the wolf situation.
We won't hear for another month or maybe 3, what the quota will be for the trophy zone [NW corner of WY]. At least hunts are allowed to take place, but the quota's are way less than the annual reproduction rate, by far, so the population continues to expand. And in the meantime, for instance, Elk Fork drainage, a huge area of land in the Shoshone National Forest, that was known as elk wintering area by the Natives, and since western "civilization" came, is now a virtual wildlife desert, there are no elk wintering there, just some migrating through, trying to steer clear of the two big wolf packs. They are working on the few bison that winter and summer over in the North Fork of the Shoshone river. Our son found an old bison, killed and eaten by wolves just this week.
there's a video out there mybe you have already seen it called Aggressive wolves in Wyoming. You and your viewers need to watch.
Thanks for the heads up. Wolves aren't the only aggressive predator. A hunter was mauled, his guide killed by a sow an 3 year old. The guide leaves behind a wife and 5 children. :( www.jhnewsandguide.com/this_just_in/article_fb78dcc0-94a9-5dab-804d-23991c46f90c.html?
The two bears suspected of killing the guide were caught quickly and dispatched. With a judge in MT putting another hold on our grizzly season, watch out! "They" will be pushing for relisting!
Man replaced the wolf in the eco system in the lower 48. Period. End of subject.
False don't be a idiot
It's much the same here in the Eastern states, with the winged predators. As a teen, hunting in the 70's, it was rare to see a hawk, and when you did, and you had a shot, you took it. Coyotes and bears kill between 40-60% of all new born deer fawns. They say the coyotes can't be controlled, but I don't believe it. There's fewer hunters because of social changes in attitudes and because hardly anyone hunts small game, because it has been destroyed by the winged predators, and it is a felony to kill them. It's great to see eagles again, I suppose, though I never saw one here till I was in my 40's, and now eagles are prolific too throughout PA. You can see them around many small towns or sitting in a tree by the road in rural areas, where hawks used to be scared to roost. This is all a result of unrestrained socialism, as the author of this video pointed out. How sad for our youth to not have the opportunities to grow up hunting and fishing as all us older sportsmen did!
What would happen if every hunter stopped buying tags and licenses and equipment for one year? How much money would be lost what do we do as a group? The fish and game need to be removed
Hunted whitetails on a mans ranch in Wyoming. Told us to gut shoot any wolves or mountain lion and let it run off in case they have trackers.
It isn’t just Wyoming,it’s the same up hear in Canada, people that live in the city and know nothing about wild life petition the government to save the wolf’s and bears. The politician’s not wanting to louse votes, (most people live in the city) make laws to protect predators that should be reduced, not protected. In B.C. Canada now we have no grizzly hunting .
END THE FED!
Any law put into effect that is unethical or unfair unlawful and unconstitutional is not a law and becomes our responsibility to challenge
We challenge. It's an uphill battle.
at least you can do something about them up in washington still cant do anything
Disgraceful behaviour. No wolves here in Aus but our dingoes have interbred with domestic dogs and as a result all are classed as wild dogs and can be shot. Some reach 70kg.
I'd like to hear more about this. I live in new york were we used to have wolves but not anymore. I believe you can kill feral cats and I wish we could due to there affect on wildlife. I hunt coyotes for their pelts but I would love to have wolves reintroduced but I will hear out any sides of the situation.
Sad to hear about the wolves killing so many elk and moose. Do you think that the problem is too many wolves? Or do you think they should be hunted out again to the point of extinction?
It is the wolves and total mismanagement by WY G&F. They need to be drastically reduced in #'s or we will loose all of our hunting.
Sad to hear. We have the same problem now in Scandinavia. After joining Eu greywolf was put to a protected list because of some politics and wrong information. For 100 years wolf was basically gone, but now it has come back from Russia where it is not protected back to Scandinavia in huge amount. Russia has lot of wolves and when it crosses the border it becomes protected. In Russia, they pay for hunting wolf. Farmers are loosing their sheep and cow and families their dogs. In some areas small children are taken to school in a taxi, because of wolves. This is so sad what stupidity will do to natural resources as moose, deer etc. and sefety of people.
The nonsense is world wide!
Were talking about north american wolves not eurasian wolves
Can you legally hunt/trap wolves in Wyoming? We live in Colorado now and planning
to retire in Wyoming. Love to hunt and fish and very much enjoying your videos. Thinking
about Casper area ... any thoughts?
Well I've lived in Wyoming for 51 years. I hate the wind. Casper, along with most of Wyoming is just too damn windy. The Big Horn Basin is and will always be my home. Oh and yes, finally, once again we can now hunt and kill wolves. There are seasons and a mortality quota in the wolf hunt areas that border Yellowstone but they can be killed like coyotes in the rest of the state.
The Casper area is in the predator zone so they are like a coyote, any day of the year. In NW WY we have a "trophy" zone, so there is a season with extremely restrictive quotas. Trapping is still frowned on. In MT one license allows for 5 wolves, and trapping is one means of taking them. Not here.
@@TheRealGunsmith Thanks for your input.
Also, there is a HUGE push to transplant the Canadian grey wolf in CO. Fight it with all you have!!
@@TheRealGunsmith I didn't know that. Colorado is ultra liberal these days and
that is why we want to retire in Wyoming. We plan on heading your way in
the next couple of months to do some exploring. I would like to go to Cody
and check things out. Maybe we could hook up for a quick visit, I would like
to see your gun shop. Take care I will keep in touch. Paul & Lee-Ann.
You are right on wildlife management not going on management of politics management that is purely unacceptable but know one takes a stand in numbers to reverse things I knew a govt trapper that retired he said back in day when they controlled predators population down were lots of deer in northwest Colorado they here Colorado want to bring them darn wolves in already some here I went lion hunting with my hounds near Cody Wyoming we went only for 2 days all we cut were wolf tracks me and dad took Rich Evan’s grizzly creek outfitters hope we could get a lion we had fun though no loin track just wolf. You are on the money with your videos dad and you could talk for a week and still talking in agreement great great great video
Yeah, but these game dept. people are expert wildlife managers! HA!
Our oldest son lives in AK. Up there they manage game on a season to season basis, based on need, population density, etc. They are on TOP of the game and more departments need to take note.
Thanks for watching.
It's not about the wolves!!!! It's about control of us!!!!!!!
Wow,
I just watched a program the other night in which they said there were in the neighborhood of 800 wolves living in the confines of the Yellowstone eco-system. Not too sure how much territory that would include but that's a hell of alot of wolves. So, what is the real number??? Randy says 100, the TV said about 800. In any case it's too damn many of them. And yes, they have just about eaten all the elk in parts of Idaho too. I've watched that happen quite clearly over the last 15 years in the Salmon elk zone of central Idaho. Buy a elk tag and come on over. If you find A elk track there will wolf tracks right behind it. Very clear what has happened here. Big money maker for Idaho though. Over the counter tags for elk, deer, and wolves. Problem is that there aren't many elk or deer and alot of very healthy wolves. Try to find one of those wolves, good luck!! They are nocturnal for the most part and you can't hunt them at night. Goodbye elk and deer, it was nice knowing you!!!!
Strange how Yellowstone park is slam full of deer elk wolves and bear. If predators are the problem how does the park maintain such a high number of both predators and prey?
SS&S
If this was in eastern USA we would probably find dead wolves everywhere
If wolves make it down to Texas, ........
We have so many dang wild pigs for them to eat, .......
And I thought coyotes were bad.
Lots of wolves, full on pork, making lots of litters.
And we just started getting used to all those pretty Axis deer that taste so good.
I pray to God they don't try to "establish" wolves in the Lone Star State.
Take a look at Les Johnson talk about a Valley in Eastern Wyoming and hear what he says about Coyote predation. I will tell you it's eye opening.
I feel my self a lot of States through out this Country have Game Managers who were tree huggers in collage and now they run Wildlife Departments and care less about sportsmen & women. Yes our Grandparents were smarter than any Wildlife Biologist today and saw predators for what they were and took care of them. Just my 2 cent.
I agree. Just told our local biologist things along the same line. He was not happy.
After the 2020 election its hard to say if the voting process is doing anything at all but im on your side man
What is the penalty for killing wolves in Wyoming? Is there a hunting season?
There is a trophy area in NW WY, where we live, that surrounds YNP. In that area there is a season. A person may by two licenses. The trophy area is split into different areas. In our area, where we actually have 50% of the documented wolves there is a quota of 6. Six. Outside of the trophy area they may be shot like coyotes 24/7 with no license.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iNcikxfa1ugCeBdqG5LQLEOPGtpJIZq848wddzjdigs/edit#gid=0 this is the current report, dated 9-16-19 on the trophy wolf hunt areas, quotas and harvests.
TRG. Thanks for the info. Very good. Sincere thanks for your knowledge!
I like you mr. Oldtimer. The wolf was and is a hunter a lot longer than you. Blame humans.
Ya'll in Wyoming better stand up and stand together like he says or it's over for you...
Sadly, so many around the world with the "oh wolves are wonderful" group are much larger than every citizen in the state combined. And they have $$ clout. And activist judges in their corner.
We do stand up, but it's a LONG uphill battle.
WY's new Gov. did just sign legislation agreed on by both houses that WY would manage grizzly's despite MT judge putting a stop to the VERY restricted first grizzly bear hunting season last fall in decades. Also in the language is that any bears needed to be relocated would be sent to CA and other states. :)
@@TheRealGunsmithI live in Oregon and I heard tell they've got wolves now down in southern Oregon? Can that be true? If so, they've migrated about 100 times faster than they ever thought possible. They need to go, let 'em live in Canada where they belong! Thanks for getting the word out and thanks for the link to that wolf video. Very eye opening
It is true. Check out Big Game Forever and Range Magazine. Both can be found on FB and sites. Range Magazine comes out 4x a year and has had a lot of info on wolves and migration, as well as their depredation.
Part of the problem with the "experts" telling us about wolf #'s is that they only count packs. Which are, depending on who you talk to 4-or 6 more animals. So any of the singles, and there are many, or young pairs leaving a pack, are not counted. They don't stay in the area of a pack, or their lives are in danger. So they migrate.
People don't know they have been brain washed
That's why THE PEOPLE NATIONWIDE need to HATE the worthless government
It's sad when people worship the dollar more than their wildlife...
Politics & the greasing of palms in our Government, passing legislation to keep it "legal" has caused this!
We, as a people need to get our heads out of the sand and put time into what our Government is doing!
Don't let our ears be "tickled" by politics, get involved, learn, pay attention!
We here you. Randy, same thing here in Canada, wolves are killing off our moose and deer especially here in Ontario where I live, Political Agendas.
Yep, stupidity is universal! :(
False information
Some worship a green God not the land are Creator provided for all
If wolves and grizzly are such a major problem for game animals why is Yellowstone slam full of game animals and apex predators? Everywhere I go in the park is loaded with all kinds of wildlife yet on the outside of the park the wolves and bear somehow kill all the cattle elk moose deer? Something doesn't add up. I agree the numbers are down on the national forest though. I spend atleast a month living on the shoshone national forest every year and the park seems to have 10 times the predators and game as the surrounding national forest. And not just by the roadways deep in the backcountry of both 15 miles from a road I see way more of everything on Yellowstone. I think it's something other than predators personally just not sure what. Obviously predators eat prey but somehow the park sustains a healthy population of predators and game both.
I am not sure how long you have been going to the Park but the numbers of ungulates, other than bison is WAY, WAY down. Cathy was driving through the Park 2-3 times a year to get through to see her Dad in ID and the shear drop in #s of animals [ungulates] compared to prior to 2000 is alarming. A guy we know that takes tours for visitors in the park also commented on the lack of animals compared to the years prior to say 2005, but especially the last 8-10 years. This past summer it was not unusual to only see 3 elk vs hundreds to thousands in prior years. The NFS gets much of it's wildlife from the Park, in migration, and there just aren't the #'s to migrate. There are many, many other factors, but it is almost entirely down on the # of predators and the fact that they are eating themselves out of house and home. Will be sharing another video soon on some of this. A good place for you to start [and this was prior to wolf introduction] would be "Playing God in Yellowstone" by Alston Chase. Then post-wolf introduction, "The Real Wolf" by Ted Lyons. Randy and our sons spend many, many hours, days in the back country of the Shoshone, and especially our youngest son. And they can attest that the Shoshone, in this valley, is becoming a wildlife desert. Game cameras that used to show thousands of elk migrating out of the Park to lower county for the winter are now showing as few as 400. That is a drastic drop and it is to the point that recruitment #s are not there. While there is not hunting in the Park, the lack of wildlife in NF is NOT due to hunting by man. G & F keeps cutting tag numbers. We lost over 6k tags for elk alone since 1999, because they have to keep lowering the # issued as the game is just not there, and as they admit, most of them come out of the Park, and the #'s aren't there, not because the elk are staying in the park in large numbers but because the #s aren't there. I could go on and on and on, but time does not allow.
I can say unequivocally that ungulate #'s in the Park are drastically lower than they were 15-20 years and more before, as they are in the NFS.
Randy and Landon both have more #'s and information at the drop of a hat, but this is just a brief answer.
@@TheRealGunsmith I understand the numbers are down in both predators definitely have to eat. It's just strange to me how much more wildlife is in the park. I'm sure some of it is due to no fear of humans in the park due to no hunting but still very strange. I spent the whole month of July on the shoshone and seen only a couple bear and 1 wolf spent only a couple days in the park passing through and seen more of everything in the 2 days vs the month I spent on shoshone in 4 different areas hiking hundreds of miles. It's a mystery to me because there's just more of everything in the park and the shoshone is just as remote and great habit but it seems the numbers of everything are low and you think the park would be hit just as hard or harder by the wolves and bears. Just doesn't seem there would be a significant difference in wildlife but there definitely is.
Thanks for the reply and I enjoy your videos by the way.
You mean wild animals eat too???
You miss the point. They are not properly managed and our ungulate herds are suffering terribly. As a result hunting opportunities in wolf introduction areas are way down, so revenue is way down.
Read Ted Lyons book The Real Wolf. Cathy, The Real Gunsmith's Wife.
@@TheRealGunsmith my poimt is we as humans tend to "manage" wildlife to extinction... first we kill all the native wolves who provided balance in the wilderness, then we try to make ammends and put non-native wolves to take their place, which obviously isnt working either... i am a firm believer that you need a strong preditor-prey relationships for healthy populations of both... then when there is a stable and sustainable population then we can go in and hunt... we tend to take the alphas, the strongest out of the gene pool where as natural predation tend to take out the weak and the sick, this is my point
Thanks for the clarification. It is a myth that wolves just the weak and sick. They take prime bulls, with antlers [so the hope is they get a few licks in themselves before being killed], they take down healthy cows/does with growing fetus just to eat the fetus and leave the mom to die a slow and lingering death. There are so many of them, not being managed [as you say, it's an issue!] that they can surround a fully strong, prime animal and take them down. There is a pack in YNP that has learned to kill bison. They may have started with the weak and sick, but they are now killing and feeding on the strong. Same with moose. Ted Lyon explains it better. He has a video on his site that tells more about his book. I still recommend you read it.
@@TheRealGunsmith thanks, I watched his talk an his book that you referenced... very informative... I must tell you that I agree that it was a huge mistake to introduce our wolves into your parks, a completely different subspecies... we have many issues with wildlife up here too... I would say most issues are human related and not because of our natural preditors... moose populations out east are being more than decimated by tics which have been able to migrate north due to climate change, at least some of which is human caused... our moose South of Prince George b.c are struggling both from over hunting, (we humans can access far deeper into back country now with all the logging roads and atvs that everybody uses now) but mostly from the huge wildfire problems we are seeing year after year, again arguably from at least partially human caused climate change... our caribou are suffering a grim fate, again not because of preditors as much as human caused stresses... it is also thought that in many of the regions the caribou heards are not able to rebound is because of the compitition for food sources from elk and moose... every region has so many issues which are often unique to that region... all in all, I think we as humans have done a discusting job managing our natural resources... I grew up on wild game and continue to hunt as responsibly as I can... the best free range meat you could ever ask for... at the end of the day though I will get my meat from the grocery store if the wild animals in my area under too much pressure... a quick story from my immediate area... evryone wanted all the coyotes killed as vermin, so they were pretty well eradicated, now everyone is bitching there are too many deer eating all the precious flowers, farmers find they are loosing more livestock to broken legs because goffer populations skyrocket too... we don't have a proper doe season and even with a number of heavy winters in a row which should have caused a lot of winter kill, well we have heards of does showing up with twins and even triplets on a very regular basis... now people are calling for a cull on deer and farmers put out poison to control pests, which go on to kill other preditors like eagles, etc... just wanted to share this perspective on how well i think humans have managed our wild resources... and let's not talk about what we did to settle the land, like well the mountains of buffalo skulls you see in old photos, I know those were different times, but I don't see us acting much better in our modern times... anyway thanks again for your perspective, responses and valuable information
From The Real Gunsmith's Wife, Cathy: Have you ever looked at RANGE magazine? On the forefront of addressing many, many of the issues you are bringing up. There are great articles on climate change [which is NOT new, and humans are way down on the list of the changes, sun activity is foremost]. they are starting on-line archives, too.
As an ole ranch gal I find the common sense, deep and well researched articles well worth the subscription price.
No, humans haven't been good managers, and in my experience and listening to Dad and all of the other old time ranchers and farmers a good deal of the issues come about when people not living on the land and dependent on it's well-being are suddenly making the decisions.
www.rangemagazine.com/
What happened when indians regulated hunting?
OK how do we hold these criminals (politicians) accountable?