I had the priviledge of meeting James at an exhibition in Detroit...he is one of the funniest men alive...and certainly greatest bench pressers of all time. His 711# IPF/USPF record done raw in Philly was unbelievable and perhaps one of the best benches I ever saw....the meet director has the video and I got to see all the attempts....all perfect and he just missed a raw 722# bench at that meet. Had he not retired, he'd have hit 750# eventually. He was that strong. Please post some more vids.
I've personally talked to this man. James Henderson before. He is definently natural. He is totally against using bench shirts. And using drugs. The man is truly gifted. And people who think that they have to take drugs to get to this level are truly mentally weak. I know that other people have tooken steroids. But there is no need for it. And I have much more respect for guys who go out and lift huge weights raw and naturally.
Actually there is a video of Henderson's lifts at that Seniors in Philly....the lifts are beyond legit....I have seen many bench presses and Henderson's lifts (683#, 699#, 711#) were as perfect as could ever be witnessed...he barely missed 722# that day on a 4th attempt. Mendy is unbelievable, no doubt. ALL of the vids of his raw attempts that I've seen were "quick" pauses, BUT were done with plenty of strength left and at a lighter bodyweight...so props to BOTH men.
I hope you're right Chris. it's just so aggravating that my inclined bench, deadlift, and squat move so quickly when I pay so little attention towards them, and yet my bench moves embarrassingly slow, and I have given my life to that lift.
I have noticed that. A lot of people disagree with pausing in training at all if it is RAW simply because it is hard on the joints. After pausing in training 3 times in a 6 week period, I'm feeling it man. But hey, I gotta do whatever it takes to build up my strength off the chest.
might just be me but he's a huge man @ 400 lbs so i tend to expect him to hit that much weight, more impressive when someone light is lifting heavy ..but never the less that's one strong dude and i will give him his props
There is a video of henderson in philly where Henderson KILLS it effortlesslly, and kennelly has been quoted as saying anecdotally that Henderson's the best raw bencher on the planet. I agree with your point though, mendy has fantastic control, and despite the fact that when he put up 715 it was a quick pause but it was legit, i dont think many ppl should be disputing that. The big thing about henderson is that from all accounts he has the greatest "natural" strength people have seen in years.
also keep in mind that james henderson is a mountain of a man the guy weighs 400lbs...im not saying size equates to strength but it definitley raises your ceiling as far as your potential to lift. i beleive scott mendelson benched 700lbs at 308 thats a big difference imo
I know what you mean, but we have to give it a little while. He said that he'll either go for the RAW record or take the 275 shirted record. If he goes RAW first, then we should expect to see him fight in March or April, if he goes shirted first, then RAW might not happen until late 2009.
this is impressive man. But what kills me are all the over the top comments that are hating gear lifters. They train hard, so do raw lifters. I think it's all good powerlifting. Lets everybody do their own thing
He's got to be the strongest RAW bencher I've ever seen, him and Kennelly are neck in neck at this point, but I think if Henderson would continue to trian and compete, a 750 RAW bench wouldn't be impossible? Anyways, this is a fantastic lift from the best RAW bencher to have ever lived.
Perhaps he hasn't done anything in a meet yet, but he'll be makiing up his mind this month whether to bench the RAW record or push the 275 record up to a grand. Anyways, Kennelly has most certainly joined the race and has become one of only 3 men in the world to handle 700 RAW.
consider, westside has 12 guys totaling over 2500 (geared), and Louie Simmons says its impossible to train at their weight and volume and remain natural. And when you hear a statement like that from a man whos gym has at least 10 guys who bench over 700, id say you need to think it over.
Boxing is another example of a high skill level combined with a powerful body to determine the best fighter. And steroids sure as hell help create fitter and more powerful athletes.
I did cut out a bunch of guys I suppose, because I've heard of all of them, but I just kinda let them slip my mind. On the other hand, I watched a guy at my dad's prison bench 720 touch and go RAW, so maybe I wasn't thinking right. Anyways, you're damn right I think kennelly can do what he wants. it's true that 2+ boards are easier to bench to, but 800 lbs to 2-boards is just crazy. Now Chris, I GUARUNTEE Kennelly can bench 725+ full range right now with a pause... if he wanted to.
OMG! Is that James "Hollywood" Henderson? #72? lol....I remember him from college! He was MASSIVE even back then(20+ yrs ago) and pressing a ridiculous amount of weight. I loved to watch him work out. What a way for a girl to pass the time...he was a nice distraction from class. :-)
I was 265 or so when I hit 475 in November. I'm 27, but only for another week. My birthday is April 17th. Going for 500 this year, but I wanna do it at 250 and cut a substantial amount of body fat...but both dropping weight and increasing my bench to 500 might take more like two years since I don't use drugs or supplements.
Listen man, you need to get yourself educated about Ryan then. He just recently did 800 lbs off a fucking 2-boards and did an EASY warm-up with 725 paused to a 3-board. He looked very comfortable with the 725 and put in little to no effort. Now as for his 800 lb 2-board press, it's suggestive how easy it was for him.
It's not about training your body to go 10-12 rounds, its about training your body to WIN. It's only logical that the greatest modern boxers had chemical assistance.
its the easy way up in the sense of what steroids actually allow you to do...a guy on steroids will get much further in his physique (in terms of results) in a much shorter period of time than a natural you know this.i beleive there are guys at the top of their sport who are on the juice...i also beleive there are guys who are completley natural who are also at the top of their sport.where we differ is the fact that i dont beleive steroids are absolutley necessary to obtain top dog status
if its possible to deadlift and squat over 1000 lbs, shoulder press 400 lbs, and have a 50+ vertical jump. im sure humans can bench 700lbs (raw w/out steroids) . just cause nobody has done it yet doesn't mean it cant be done
Siamand Rahman is ahead of them both. He's like 26 or 27 and just hit 705 raw in competition...oh did I mention he doesn't have legs? That's right, the man with the highest raw bench in recently years is a paraplegic who competes in the paralympics. The dude is crazy heavy, but then again all three of these guys are the better part of 400 pounds. Jeremy Hoornstra is the most impressive with 661 raw at 240 pounds. If he can go to 275, I think he could hit 700, only time will tell.
No, they didn't take it as seriously as they should have. And the athletes that didn't get caught are busy being world champions while others claim they're natural on the internet.
The only thing Kennelly has done with 700 RAW is a 5-board press - way more than 3 people have had 700+ raw for high board lock-outs. We don't know what Kennelly can do raw. I've seen an easy 625 warm-up by him, but that can translate a thousand different ways into a proper paused single max rep. There is far too much speculation going on. I doubt he'll do a raw meet anyway - in his interview he was far from diehard and Mendy is putting up numbers again which will keep Scot focused on multi-ply.
in that case i apologize because you are absolutley correct...lol all i read was you saying ronnie coleman was natural and i thought to myself is this guy serious?? im a little on the fence with james henderson i actually have an uncle benching 500lbs weighing in at 330lbs and i know for a fact he isnt juicing.its the guys who weigh 300+lbs at like 2% body fat that are dead give aways.
@muzimuzi No Mendelson was 275 powerliftingwatchcom. I was told by Bob Norris a friend of mine also world record bench presser, that Henderson was around 400lbs when he did his record lift. Powerlifting watch just has him in SHW class but no specific weight. I mean the guy is just a bench pressing freak I honestly dont think he did roids. Mendelson did 715 at 275 thats 440 pounds more than him, Henderson did 711 at 350+ thats double his weight which to me is within reason for a natural lift.
@boovalagrish hell, i remember that was like 2 years ago where i started with 35s on each side, embarrassing, but i took a long time to train, but NOWHERE will i ever be this fuckin good!!
To answer your question, Yes it is phyically possible for a man to lift 700lbs with out steroids. Only a weak, under education, media watching infant would say that. This dude is a beast. Period and Fact.
I just like to think big. I hate the thought of my bench only creeping up 25 lbs every 12 months. I'd much rather think that I'll be benchign 350-365 legitimately within the next 3-4 months. I have big dreams, and they're too big to be haulted at the 300 lb mark.
Physicality is still a very important part of boxing. Juice will give you a moderate edge, which isn't to say skill isn't important. If you have a sport played by hundreds of thousands of people where physicality is an important element such as boxing, it's a little ludicrous to expect the world champion to be natural.
But isn't it odd to you that all of Scot's 700+ benches were not paused? Ed Coan was only judge for one of them, and Ryan himself said that Scot invites close friends as judges to make sure that they are touch and go. Mendelson isn't an idiot. He has trained his body to handle a 600+ paused bench, but pausing 700 is just suicide for msot people. Whereas Mendy could EASILY pause the weight, I don't think he wants to risk it, and that's my challenge to him.
boxing,mma,football and basketball specifically..yes each sport has their cheaters but when you look at the guys who have been caught they werent the top guys anyway..when i start to see lebron james.kevin durant,floyd mayweather,andre ward,calvin johnson,anderson silva,jon jones,cain velasquez etc you got me...its just hard for me to beleive that you catch guys who are average athletes or fading champions but then you dont catch the guys who the spotlight shines the brightest on year after year
I would definitely say that Henderson isn't natural, due to the fact that his best bench is like 10 pounds below the strongest raw bench press in the world. And one can be pretty certain that any strength record in the world isn't done naturally.
No I'll tell you. The guy I responded to said that James Henderson was natural, and he 'knew' this because he spoke to him. I pointed out how ridiculous that was by using the same logic and saying that Ronnie Coleman is natural because I spoke to him. Of course Ronnie isn't natural. The point was, you can't say that somebody is natural just because they say so.
@zgates well im 200lbs and bench 385 almost double my weight so its within reason that if he was nearly 400lbs he could bench 710 thats less than double his weight, why is that hard to beleive.
@zgates well this arguement could possibly go on forever so the last Im gonna say is, you cant put limitations on anyone elses body. Saying he could never do twice his bodyweight without steroids is a ridiculous assumtion when you see that Mendelson did his 715 at 275, thats what someone on roids can do. I dont think he did, he says he never did, and thats what im gonna beleive, if you disagree then thats your opinion and you can have it.
yeah we def have to agree to disagree on that...there are way too many variables to consider when breaking down ones athleticism to say ohhhhh look that guys runs a 4.2 in the 40 yard dash (he must be on roids) or to say look that guy is 250lbs with a 40+ inch vertical (he's on the juice) its not that simple.unless its just blatantly obvious you want to give a guy the benefit of the doubt.
That's what I'm saying. When you have a highly physical sport with a large amount of people trying to be the best at it, especially STRENGTH related sports, it only makes perfect sense that the best people at it, are the ones with great genetics, great training, great diet... and great drugs. If you wake up in the body of a world class sprinter and keep dieting and training as they do, but stop taking steroids, then you'll be surpassed by guys who do.
Anybody benching 700 pounds+ is naturally gifted. They just take steroids too. Usain Bolt is another example of a highly gifted athlete who is on steroids. If you think that the strongest or fastest man in the world is natural then you're living in a fairy tale. Unless you're playing lawn bowls, darts, etc then you can have amazing natural talent, but in the world league, you WILL be beaten by somebody with amazing natural talent who is also on steroids.
Why do people try to put limits on the human body? It was once claimed that no one would ever bench press over 800 pounds and now look at how many lifters have walked all over 800. Quit claiming things are impossible without proof!!!
@getatme120 The guy weighed about 400lbs, thats how he could bench 700. Scot is about 300, thats the difference. Why dont you go down to Florida and call James out on it if you are really that upset that you cant bench shit. I workout with a world record bench presser, he beleives 100% that James Henderson never took steroids.
Ronnie Coleman never claimed to be natural. And the reason I call them mentally weak is because they obviously see a weakness in themselves and that they can't achieve something on their own and that they need performance enhancing drugs to do it. Most of the guys who aren't natural either just admit it. Or they don't talk about it at all.
Well at least this thing ran it's course without any insults. You criticise me for putting limits on things, when really, you do that too. You're just criticising me because I'm not at the same point on the continuum as you. Ronnie is natural, and if you disagree then you're limiting yourself. Don't put limits on other people. ^I'm basically using your own logic here. You've met the man and put an emotional investment in what he said and you wont hear any different.
It probably has a lot to do with the effort they put into their drug protocols to ensure they don't get caught. It makes sense that someone dedicated to be the best would be dedicated to precisely following their drug protocol.
the same can be said about lebron james...iv'e never seen a more hyped athlete than this guy..they where televising his high school games on espn.the fact that he rides a bicycle to the AAA arena takes up a 1/2 hour on sports center.he'd draw criticism if he wiped his ass the wrong way.lol athlete or not dude were all human and we are prone to slipping up and making mistakes...i dont think any cheater can go thru an entire career on top of his sport using PEDS without getting caught
Looking back at this comment, I can't believe how naive I was lol There's probably a 95% chance he just cycled off for the meet, ignore my initial comment from here on out though :)
reposting the link won't do anything, you can't post whole links into youtube. Highlight the link, search google and it'll be there. Believing someone is natural because they told you they are isn't very sound. Ronnie was another example of someone who claims natural and obviously isn't.
wtf? A single person claiming someone's not natural isn't going to do shit. You're wrong. People don't always get caught for 'cheating' (even though whether it's cheating at all when the other top athletes do it is worthy of deep thought), that's not the way the world works. Some people get caught for steroids, and others don't.
@guitarshredder849 i dont think any serious bencher will be that fat, 400 pound seems way to much to me, scot mendelson weight around 320 when he benched his 715 but he was never anywhere near 400, i think his max weight was 350 and now hes about 290 to 300, and like that dude said skiny guys can double their weight (like me) but for huge fat guys its nearly impossible
The problem with this is that society is full of hypocrites. They dream of sports without steroids, and yet they've been spoilt by the amazing performances of enhanced athletes. If Olympic records reverted to what they were back in the 1960s, (as they largely would if it became impossible to take steroids and not get caught), people wouldn't flock to the stadiums in as greater numbers or pay close to as much as they do now. Pro sports know this on some level.
Ray williams is this guys squat counterpart
Chimpanzer when Ray squats 500 kg I will agree with you but until then no.
I had the priviledge of meeting James at an exhibition in Detroit...he is one of the funniest men alive...and certainly greatest bench pressers of all time. His 711# IPF/USPF record done raw in Philly was unbelievable and perhaps one of the best benches I ever saw....the meet director has the video and I got to see all the attempts....all perfect and he just missed a raw 722# bench at that meet. Had he not retired, he'd have hit 750# eventually. He was that strong. Please post some more vids.
James is the Best of the Best!
He's a pastor now. His raw bench is still the record as far as i'm concerned since Mendelson's 4lb increase was done without a pause.
He is lifting 2 151/400 tons!
Good to see raw videos like this. I fucking hate people who think they're strong benching with a bench shirt on.
get this man a sponsor so he doesn't have to worry about money!
Great vid
Amazing God-given, natural strength! He puts the juicers to shame.
I've personally talked to this man. James Henderson before. He is definently natural. He is totally against using bench shirts. And using drugs. The man is truly gifted. And people who think that they have to take drugs to get to this level are truly mentally weak. I know that other people have tooken steroids. But there is no need for it. And I have much more respect for guys who go out and lift huge weights raw and naturally.
Thank you for not using suicide grip.
Major props.
only upperbuddy strenght without no help from lowerbody or technique , just raw , amazing
very strong benchpress
Actually there is a video of Henderson's lifts at that Seniors in Philly....the lifts are beyond legit....I have seen many bench presses and Henderson's lifts (683#, 699#, 711#) were as perfect as could ever be witnessed...he barely missed 722# that day on a 4th attempt. Mendy is unbelievable, no doubt. ALL of the vids of his raw attempts that I've seen were "quick" pauses, BUT were done with plenty of strength left and at a lighter bodyweight...so props to BOTH men.
I hope you're right Chris. it's just so aggravating that my inclined bench, deadlift, and squat move so quickly when I pay so little attention towards them, and yet my bench moves embarrassingly slow, and I have given my life to that lift.
What a beast! Love to meet him and wrestle him.
Total respect!
Faire 3 répétitions avec 270 kg quel exploit
Encore bravo.
I have noticed that. A lot of people disagree with pausing in training at all if it is RAW simply because it is hard on the joints. After pausing in training 3 times in a 6 week period, I'm feeling it man. But hey, I gotta do whatever it takes to build up my strength off the chest.
Who cares if natural or not! This is fucking amazing!
That sounds like an interesting group. Can you tell me more about them?
might just be me but he's a huge man @ 400 lbs so i tend to expect him to hit that much weight, more impressive when someone light is lifting heavy ..but never the less that's one strong dude and i will give him his props
I remember seeing him bench when he was on the power team! Great guy!
There is a video of henderson in philly where Henderson KILLS it effortlesslly, and kennelly has been quoted as saying anecdotally that Henderson's the best raw bencher on the planet. I agree with your point though, mendy has fantastic control, and despite the fact that when he put up 715 it was a quick pause but it was legit, i dont think many ppl should be disputing that. The big thing about henderson is that from all accounts he has the greatest "natural" strength people have seen in years.
also keep in mind that james henderson is a mountain of a man the guy weighs 400lbs...im not saying size equates to strength but it definitley raises your ceiling as far as your potential to lift. i beleive scott mendelson benched 700lbs at 308 thats a big difference imo
Nobody else does that kind of weight with that good of form
I know what you mean, but we have to give it a little while. He said that he'll either go for the RAW record or take the 275 shirted record. If he goes RAW first, then we should expect to see him fight in March or April, if he goes shirted first, then RAW might not happen until late 2009.
this is impressive man. But what kills me are all the over the top comments that are hating gear lifters. They train hard, so do raw lifters. I think it's all good powerlifting. Lets everybody do their own thing
daam,his shirt says it all,more like DAMN!!!
nice as hell.. thats a real press...
He's got to be the strongest RAW bencher I've ever seen, him and Kennelly are neck in neck at this point, but I think if Henderson would continue to trian and compete, a 750 RAW bench wouldn't be impossible? Anyways, this is a fantastic lift from the best RAW bencher to have ever lived.
Perhaps he hasn't done anything in a meet yet, but he'll be makiing up his mind this month whether to bench the RAW record or push the 275 record up to a grand. Anyways, Kennelly has most certainly joined the race and has become one of only 3 men in the world to handle 700 RAW.
consider, westside has 12 guys totaling over 2500 (geared), and Louie Simmons says its impossible to train at their weight and volume and remain natural. And when you hear a statement like that from a man whos gym has at least 10 guys who bench over 700, id say you need to think it over.
Boxing is another example of a high skill level combined with a powerful body to determine the best fighter. And steroids sure as hell help create fitter and more powerful athletes.
damn that was amazing, you have some serious power
I did cut out a bunch of guys I suppose, because I've heard of all of them, but I just kinda let them slip my mind. On the other hand, I watched a guy at my dad's prison bench 720 touch and go RAW, so maybe I wasn't thinking right. Anyways, you're damn right I think kennelly can do what he wants. it's true that 2+ boards are easier to bench to, but 800 lbs to 2-boards is just crazy. Now Chris, I GUARUNTEE Kennelly can bench 725+ full range right now with a pause... if he wanted to.
Today he came to my school Lowell elementary
OMG! Is that James "Hollywood" Henderson? #72? lol....I remember him from college! He was MASSIVE even back then(20+ yrs ago) and pressing a ridiculous amount of weight. I loved to watch him work out. What a way for a girl to pass the time...he was a nice distraction from class. :-)
I was 265 or so when I hit 475 in November. I'm 27, but only for another week. My birthday is April 17th. Going for 500 this year, but I wanna do it at 250 and cut a substantial amount of body fat...but both dropping weight and increasing my bench to 500 might take more like two years since I don't use drugs or supplements.
Listen man, you need to get yourself educated about Ryan then. He just recently did 800 lbs off a fucking 2-boards and did an EASY warm-up with 725 paused to a 3-board. He looked very comfortable with the 725 and put in little to no effort. Now as for his 800 lb 2-board press, it's suggestive how easy it was for him.
It's not about training your body to go 10-12 rounds, its about training your body to WIN. It's only logical that the greatest modern boxers had chemical assistance.
its the easy way up in the sense of what steroids actually allow you to do...a guy on steroids will get much further in his physique (in terms of results) in a much shorter period of time than a natural you know this.i beleive there are guys at the top of their sport who are on the juice...i also beleive there are guys who are completley natural who are also at the top of their sport.where we differ is the fact that i dont beleive steroids are absolutley necessary to obtain top dog status
There's also a video of Kennelly getting stapled to the bench with 675 in competition from last year.
Some great lifting, and Mendy is 6'1 and his weight depends. when he hit the raw record he was 315 at 10% body fat
Can you repost the link. It won't let me click on it. And I never said everyone claiming natural was natural. But I certainly believe James is.
if its possible to deadlift and squat over 1000 lbs, shoulder press 400 lbs, and have a 50+ vertical jump. im sure humans can bench 700lbs (raw w/out steroids) . just cause nobody has done it yet doesn't mean it cant be done
amazing
Siamand Rahman is ahead of them both. He's like 26 or 27 and just hit 705 raw in competition...oh did I mention he doesn't have legs? That's right, the man with the highest raw bench in recently years is a paraplegic who competes in the paralympics. The dude is crazy heavy, but then again all three of these guys are the better part of 400 pounds. Jeremy Hoornstra is the most impressive with 661 raw at 240 pounds. If he can go to 275, I think he could hit 700, only time will tell.
very strong! are there more videos of him?
they are for power nad strengthm slow twitch are for endurance
No, they didn't take it as seriously as they should have.
And the athletes that didn't get caught are busy being world champions while others claim they're natural on the internet.
The only thing Kennelly has done with 700 RAW is a 5-board press - way more than 3 people have had 700+ raw for high board lock-outs. We don't know what Kennelly can do raw. I've seen an easy 625 warm-up by him, but that can translate a thousand different ways into a proper paused single max rep. There is far too much speculation going on. I doubt he'll do a raw meet anyway - in his interview he was far from diehard and Mendy is putting up numbers again which will keep Scot focused on multi-ply.
i've spoken with gene rychlak and he told mendelsons a walking pharmacy.
in that case i apologize because you are absolutley correct...lol all i read was you saying ronnie coleman was natural and i thought to myself is this guy serious??
im a little on the fence with james henderson i actually have an uncle benching 500lbs weighing in at 330lbs and i know for a fact he isnt juicing.its the guys who weigh 300+lbs at like 2% body fat that are dead give aways.
Depends what sport we're talking about to be honest. Lawn bowls or darts? Nope. Powerlifting? Absolutely.
Goddamn! That's awesome!
I've since changed my views on this topic, I've learnt a lot since posting that well over a year ago.
@muzimuzi No Mendelson was 275 powerliftingwatchcom. I was told by Bob Norris a friend of mine also world record bench presser, that Henderson was around 400lbs when he did his record lift. Powerlifting watch just has him in SHW class but no specific weight. I mean the guy is just a bench pressing freak I honestly dont think he did roids. Mendelson did 715 at 275 thats 440 pounds more than him, Henderson did 711 at 350+ thats double his weight which to me is within reason for a natural lift.
@boovalagrish hell, i remember that was like 2 years ago where i started with 35s on each side, embarrassing, but i took a long time to train, but NOWHERE will i ever be this fuckin good!!
It can and has been done. Drug tests can and are avoided through taking compounds that become untraceable in a very short time after taking them.
To answer your question, Yes it is phyically possible for a man to lift 700lbs with out steroids. Only a weak, under education, media watching infant would say that. This dude is a beast. Period and Fact.
I agree.
I just like to think big. I hate the thought of my bench only creeping up 25 lbs every 12 months. I'd much rather think that I'll be benchign 350-365 legitimately within the next 3-4 months. I have big dreams, and they're too big to be haulted at the 300 lb mark.
This guy visted a school close to mine and and gave us a speech and stuff trying to keep us motivated and to believe in god
Physicality is still a very important part of boxing. Juice will give you a moderate edge, which isn't to say skill isn't important. If you have a sport played by hundreds of thousands of people where physicality is an important element such as boxing, it's a little ludicrous to expect the world champion to be natural.
But isn't it odd to you that all of Scot's 700+ benches were not paused? Ed Coan was only judge for one of them, and Ryan himself said that Scot invites close friends as judges to make sure that they are touch and go. Mendelson isn't an idiot. He has trained his body to handle a 600+ paused bench, but pausing 700 is just suicide for msot people. Whereas Mendy could EASILY pause the weight, I don't think he wants to risk it, and that's my challenge to him.
boxing,mma,football and basketball specifically..yes each sport has their cheaters but when you look at the guys who have been caught they werent the top guys anyway..when i start to see lebron james.kevin durant,floyd mayweather,andre ward,calvin johnson,anderson silva,jon jones,cain velasquez etc you got me...its just hard for me to beleive that you catch guys who are average athletes or fading champions but then you dont catch the guys who the spotlight shines the brightest on year after year
I would definitely say that Henderson isn't natural, due to the fact that his best bench is like 10 pounds below the strongest raw bench press in the world. And one can be pretty certain that any strength record in the world isn't done naturally.
No I'll tell you.
The guy I responded to said that James Henderson was natural, and he 'knew' this because he spoke to him. I pointed out how ridiculous that was by using the same logic and saying that Ronnie Coleman is natural because I spoke to him. Of course Ronnie isn't natural. The point was, you can't say that somebody is natural just because they say so.
@dapowerlifter09 It still has not been done raw, so the claim is still valid.
@zgates well im 200lbs and bench 385 almost double my weight so its within reason that if he was nearly 400lbs he could bench 710 thats less than double his weight, why is that hard to beleive.
This guy is for real. Philippians 4:13
@zgates well this arguement could possibly go on forever so the last Im gonna say is, you cant put limitations on anyone elses body. Saying he could never do twice his bodyweight without steroids is a ridiculous assumtion when you see that Mendelson did his 715 at 275, thats what someone on roids can do. I dont think he did, he says he never did, and thats what im gonna beleive, if you disagree then thats your opinion and you can have it.
yeah we def have to agree to disagree on that...there are way too many variables to consider when breaking down ones athleticism to say ohhhhh look that guys runs a 4.2 in the 40 yard dash (he must be on roids) or to say look that guy is 250lbs with a 40+ inch vertical (he's on the juice) its not that simple.unless its just blatantly obvious you want to give a guy the benefit of the doubt.
That's what I'm saying.
When you have a highly physical sport with a large amount of people trying to be the best at it, especially STRENGTH related sports, it only makes perfect sense that the best people at it, are the ones with great genetics, great training, great diet... and great drugs. If you wake up in the body of a world class sprinter and keep dieting and training as they do, but stop taking steroids, then you'll be surpassed by guys who do.
Anybody benching 700 pounds+ is naturally gifted. They just take steroids too.
Usain Bolt is another example of a highly gifted athlete who is on steroids. If you think that the strongest or fastest man in the world is natural then you're living in a fairy tale. Unless you're playing lawn bowls, darts, etc then you can have amazing natural talent, but in the world league, you WILL be beaten by somebody with amazing natural talent who is also on steroids.
I CANT SEE YOU TOO FAR
Except the person who asked me...and apparently you since you responded to my comment.
Regardless of this guys weight he has the strongest natural bench period. Imagine if he did do roids
drug test doesn't mean no dope
Why do people try to put limits on the human body? It was once claimed that no one would ever bench press over 800 pounds and now look at how many lifters have walked all over 800. Quit claiming things are impossible without proof!!!
Damn, he could have gone all day with 495, lol. Looked so easy.
@getatme120 The guy weighed about 400lbs, thats how he could bench 700. Scot is about 300, thats the difference. Why dont you go down to Florida and call James out on it if you are really that upset that you cant bench shit. I workout with a world record bench presser, he beleives 100% that James Henderson never took steroids.
Ronnie Coleman never claimed to be natural. And the reason I call them mentally weak is because they obviously see a weakness in themselves and that they can't achieve something on their own and that they need performance enhancing drugs to do it. Most of the guys who aren't natural either just admit it. Or they don't talk about it at all.
Well at least this thing ran it's course without any insults.
You criticise me for putting limits on things, when really, you do that too. You're just criticising me because I'm not at the same point on the continuum as you.
Ronnie is natural, and if you disagree then you're limiting yourself. Don't put limits on other people.
^I'm basically using your own logic here. You've met the man and put an emotional investment in what he said and you wont hear any different.
If you wanna see a really impressive set of raw training videos, search Eric Spoto and watch him toy with 600 for six perfectly clean training reps.
I would like to hear his self-commentary...
IGNORE this old comment I made lol I was naive when I wrote this and I'm surprised it's still the top comment
It probably has a lot to do with the effort they put into their drug protocols to ensure they don't get caught. It makes sense that someone dedicated to be the best would be dedicated to precisely following their drug protocol.
i feel so weak now, i mean i only do 2 plates on each side :(
@TanukiGrana Wrong. Those would be called GREAT genetics
@muzimuzi no he went to jail for drug trafficing and I dont think it was steroids Im pretty sure he just got caught selling weed.
I don't think he did roids when he hit 711Lbs because that competition was drug tested. Scott Mendleson's 715Lbs wasn't tested though...
you guys should look up eric spoto, he can put this guy to shame and probably mendlesen too
@appleman1324 once you start taking gym candy it is simple. I'm in conflict with my mind about "take roids or not to take roids.
the same can be said about lebron james...iv'e never seen a more hyped athlete than this guy..they where televising his high school games on espn.the fact that he rides a bicycle to the AAA arena takes up a 1/2 hour on sports center.he'd draw criticism if he wiped his ass the wrong way.lol athlete or not dude were all human and we are prone to slipping up and making mistakes...i dont think any cheater can go thru an entire career on top of his sport using PEDS without getting caught
Looking back at this comment, I can't believe how naive I was lol There's probably a 95% chance he just cycled off for the meet, ignore my initial comment from here on out though :)
reposting the link won't do anything, you can't post whole links into youtube. Highlight the link, search google and it'll be there.
Believing someone is natural because they told you they are isn't very sound. Ronnie was another example of someone who claims natural and obviously isn't.
wtf? A single person claiming someone's not natural isn't going to do shit.
You're wrong. People don't always get caught for 'cheating' (even though whether it's cheating at all when the other top athletes do it is worthy of deep thought), that's not the way the world works. Some people get caught for steroids, and others don't.
@guitarshredder849 i dont think any serious bencher will be that fat, 400 pound seems way to much to me, scot mendelson weight around 320 when he benched his 715 but he was never anywhere near 400, i think his max weight was 350 and now hes about 290 to 300, and like that dude said skiny guys can double their weight (like me) but for huge fat guys its nearly impossible
The problem with this is that society is full of hypocrites. They dream of sports without steroids, and yet they've been spoilt by the amazing performances of enhanced athletes. If Olympic records reverted to what they were back in the 1960s, (as they largely would if it became impossible to take steroids and not get caught), people wouldn't flock to the stadiums in as greater numbers or pay close to as much as they do now. Pro sports know this on some level.
@raygnicky u realise he is the best bencher in the world ?