Why ZSS is the HARDEST Character To Play...
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- I'm a simple man. I see Zero Suit Samus in a thumbnail on a video by Vars III, I will make a reaction video out of it. That said though, I really wanted to talk about this incredible video that explains the archetype ZSS and many other similar characters are, and why I think they are some of the hardest characters to win with in this game.
Original video by @VarsIII: • Hit And Run Fighters -...
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Marss my dude I am giving you the freest content to farm in the world 😂
Lmao
Yes
Still a great vid though!
Mars and Varss 🤝
18:30 the banjo went through all that effort to recover but Marss just absolutley dunked on him, didnt even bat an eye. love it.
Was optimal and needed to be done so gotta respect it honestly
I lol'ed at that I thought he would at least comment on it 😭
3:40 I thought I was going crazy but he said the thing about Sonic and Joker twice 😂😂😂
glitch in the matrix
Hahaha thought the same
i feel like joker could be a part of that archetype but aresene is such a strong tool that really he can fit any playstyle in most mu’s
Joker is as easy as Cloud. Which is to say that he isn't difficult. Didn't need to be brought up in this discussion. 😂
@@Contrary22 at mid level he’s easy fs
@@Contrary22nahh joker isn’t super hard to play but cloud is on another level of baby’s first smash character ong
@@Contrary22joker is not as easy as cloud. I main joker and switched to cloud because he is easier at top levels
@@Contrary22 Saying Joker is as easy is Cloud is crazy to me as someone who plays both 💀
Joker is easy with Arsene because at the level I play at, Arsene *is* the gameplan. I can just spam my super buffed moves without thinking and get a big reward for it. At the top player level though, even with Arsene it almost looks as if they're playing with base Joker the whole time, and base Joker is definitely hard. Joker has a ton of options, but at the top level he has no clear gameplan or flowchart. Even though Arsene is executionally simple people eventually stop walking into your hitboxes
I think the takeaway is characters like Kazuya and Peach require far more character specific knowledge and tech whereas characters like zss and inkling require more overall game knowledge and experience to win matchups
Kazuya and peach are not at all comparable in terms of difficulty, peach still requires a ton of overall game knowledge on top of character specific tech, Kazuya only really needs ewgf
Yes I hate how people refer to Kazuya as being hard when you can master ewgf in like in hour in training mode, he has no other hard inputs@@TheLogBerry
@@wishtyme exactly, Kazuya being hard is a myth
@@TheLogBerry yeah you’re right peach bad example maybe someone like Mario would be more comparable
@@wishtymeif that were true top 8s would be overrun by kazuya players, it’s not that simple lol
Frosty: “Hardest character is def Samus, that suit is super hard.”
Marss: “Kirby can turn into a rock so maybe he’s the hardest.”
Me an intellectual: “Captain Falcons nipples are the hardest thing in the game.”
In melee his nips used to be spikes too. It was insane but unfortunately they had to nerf it
glad marss vibes with vars like i do, i really like his perspective and generally agree with almost all of his takes
The Banjo at the end was just spamming the same stuff lmao - this is why you learn to Z-catch his grenades and throw them back at him. Or at least when you're using Joker, use them to get Arsene. If you take away the one thing that the Banjo player knows how to do, they're toast.
Marss' dunk on Dabuzz under the stage is still so fucking raw.
Sonic is the strongest hit and run character because he hits like a truck and, well...
runs like one too tbh 🚛💨
Fly like a butterfly
Sting like a bee
You better hope you don't die
Because he's going for YOUR KNEES
He’s not hit and run, he’s just RUN
Also he absolutely can go for extended engagements since he can combo so much more easily than other characters due to his absurd physics and spindash.
playing zss feels like the character is held together by scotch tape and glue 😂 there’s no character i have more fun playing tho so i think every zss player just enjoys suffering
Crazy how this PERFECTLY describes playing mewtwo as well
Sick how you can get into elite smash without short hopping or fast falling. In fact that style is probably advantageous when lag is eating inputs.
Ellie Smash just means you're good at using unreactable panic moves or you know basic matchups enough that you can read decently well, Nintendo wi-fi makes it very not matter
@@penis_owner Yeah I like watching someone come down from a double jump in slow motion and just thinking, I probably can't do anything about this.
I love that Marss keeps calling him Vars the Third for absolutely no reason
Dude I was arguing with my entire discord trying to tell them that Aegis is not as easy to pick up and play as people think and they wouldn't listen to me. Thanks for the arguements! Haha
10:05 funny edit 😂 Vars III definitely knows you watch his videos and threw you that bone
The way you worded that comment makes it sound like only Vars' third channel knows about Marss watching his content and the rest of him has no idea.
I think the one thing missing from this discussion is when the work is being done. A character like incineroar might not have to work hard once he gets in but getting in can be like climbing a mountain. Playing a grappler at high level is a different type of difficulty that requires a lot of mental stamina to not just give up after being hit by the 800th fireball so you can capitalize on your one moment
I saw greninja in the video and it reminded me, your greninja in Collision squad strike recently was absolutely nasty
Greninja is just Water Fox
- Coney, 2023
Love to see inkling getting pats on backs.
Trying to break down archetype is silly when discussing "easy" vs "hard" characters. It comes down to three aspects most of the time when discussing the difficulty of a character:
1. How many times do they need to win neutral
2. How obvious is their best option in any given moment
3. How strong that option is (including plausibility or precision needed).
But then kazuya would be the easiest character in the game, and he is not
@@IncidentalSSBMhow is he not 😂😂 kaz is easy bro
@@leifpeterson4850 min min
Well put
@@IncidentalSSBMhe kinda is game plan wise gameplay wise not so much
sonic's archetype is "you know the vibes"
I like this kind of reaction video a lot more than "Craziest x in smash". Marss has a lot of insight and stuff to comment on
would lucario be a hit and run fighter? A lot of his gameplan is to get in with a couple of simple hits, before retreating, but IDK
Naw, cause after he gets aura his gameplan turns into, "Good luck touching me, LOL." 😂
I suppose it shifts? goes from a hit and run at low % then shifts to a glass canon at high % ?@@landoftheninja
He’s a gimmick character
He's a glass cannon with decent durability at high percents which is kind of bad design? but at low percents he's more of a fundamentals character than a hit and runner due to his low mobility with decent combo potential and comparably mid neutral game since he has low range and slow projectiles
14:13 What were you even aiming at there?
im here to try and curb the super corny FIRST comments
doing the lords work thank you
First comments are mandatory
you somehow made a worse comment
@@beantherapy looks like ur new to the internet 🤣
here before the annoying people who say “wow __ views in __ seconds ____ fell off 🤓” on every single video
Fr tho, I main ganon and that is unbelievablely easy and same with roy to an extent, but I recently picked up bayo and it is a bit harder, but still just as satisfying as winning with ganon or roy
I was NOT expecting this to turn into a Cheeto fingers episode!!!🤗
What makes fox easy? I’ve tried numerous times to play him and feel like I don’t things right with the character.
Ridiculously fast and braindead fast and safe buttons
@@huh9400 could you go into abit more detail if possible?
@@RaizaS94you can throw out a lot of moves without being punished and without thinking
all you have to do is learn a couple combos and learn how to frame trap and you'll usually win against most players and characters just by out damaging with every interaction you win + taking stage control
His conversion ability, good recovery with an invisible option. Fast, many safe buttons. Does good damage and has amazing advantage state.
My favorite league RUclipsr and smash RUclipsr in one vid!
Another vid from my glorious king Marss
Yeah, you bring up a good point about difficulty vs. skill level. Most people who play this game aren't top level players, and it shows by the characters you run into online most often.
10:17 and then they said marss head grew 3 sizes that day
Surprised you watched this video same time I saw it. Vars’s channel lowkey goated
Edit: video reaction into gameplay is a nice mixup
The problem with vars' video and most of his videos is that he describes smash characters as though they were designed with competitive play in mind while that is blatantly not the case. Archetypes definitely exist on the character design, but what he calls hit and run are just characters with good neutrals but lacking in certain areas such as advantage or bein prone to reversals. They require immense precision, which is why they're difficuly. That's why I actually prefer marss' term of neutral monster.
nah watching banjo slam joker into the ground twice in 3 seconds is peak
Reminds me of chase vs sonix when they swapped mains in bracket.
Love marss to always put me in my place as a rushdown player
Finally, someone said it. Fox is NOT a hard character, Idk who started that propaganda
Ok but Joker with Arsene is just another character
Does pikachu count as hit and run? Or is he more versatile/busted
10:33 Ayo???? 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
"I feel like Joker is definitely like that calculated hit and run kind of stuff. I don't know about. I guess Sonic is I never considered what archetype sonic is, but I feel like Joker is definitely like that calculated hit and run kind of stuff. I don't know about. I guess Sonic is I never considered what archetype sonic is." -marss 3:33-3:51
Tarik is such a beast
why is diddy not here?
He fled the country bro
3:50 I think your editor made a funny little repetition
Live A Live music intro? Big fan :)
Timing out Marss with a Banjo some OD shit
This looks like a Vars thumbnail
Ik im not good okay(fox and pichu main)
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As a Captain Falcon main this offends me.....but i also agree completely
thanks!
trappers are hard to play but they're also hard to play against. it's always a matchup check.
i enjoyed the fuck out of this video thank you marss
Marss is such a beast
Joker can rushdown if your opponent's character is slow 😂
DK is a top tier hit and run character. Prove me wrong. Leo picks up DK. Suddenly he's top 5. Again... Prove me wrong.
Idk I picked up joker and while I’m definitely not the best by far he wasn’t that hard especially cuz arsene back air is stupid
whats that game called during the subscribe segment?
It’s one of the “King of Fighters” games, not sure which one.
fox players have literally never been invited to a social gathering once
I think Hero is hard because reading is hard 😂🎉
Yeah, the only way it can be hard, really
Bowser is obviously far more difficult.
I don't understand if you don't do Orio's video as content "because his logic is probably better explained by him" or
You don't recognize his content because you are trolling.
Example... a Zss main I know you wanted to convince everyone that roll in is bad because. Roll out gives you bait flip kick.
But why you don't review Orio? I don't get it
Oh play Ganon vs a mobile and zoner character...
I mean tbf just because the character is easy doesn't mean he's good. If anything, Ganon having such few good tools makes his gameplan even simpler.
As a Rosa main, nah
Balls
shes not
Good zss probably have the easiest time bullying low level players
Izaw's videos are useful until they are not..
Orios videos teach you HOW TO THINK..
As a person that mains zss for a living I can see how you wouldn't want to expose Orio
John Barnett is dead guys……
Zss sux
Blah blah blah Kazuya Ewgf isn't that great. Blah blah blah zss do stuff.
Giant and extremely safe moves and pokes + literally not having disadvantage (flip jump) = hard char? Marss himself has said more than once ZSS is an easy char. I don't find spamming safe moves until it finally lands into a combo very hard ngl. Playing ZSS eliminates most real-time risk-reward calculations that you make in-game. Maybe it's the online ZSS's I play but I can't think of another char that has a more hold-forward point and shoot playstyle tbh. I also like how that video showed clutch moments by Marss that had nothing to do with character difficulty but just Marss being godlike lmao.
Zss not having a disadvantage with flip jump is one of the most 2019 takes ive ever heard
@@bravo2675 Try 2023 Marss lmao
Greninja sux
me when up smash:
Yayyyyyyy at long last it has happened. I AM THE FIRST. THE CHOSEN ONE
KNEEL BEFORE ME PEASANTS
the CORNY one. goofy
@@MR-zt1hh QUIET, PEASANT. YOU'RE AN ANT TO ME
@@PrinceKatamari by claiming this title you’re merely naming yourself the king of the clowns. So, do you back down, or choose to die with the ship as a corny mf that no one cares what they do?
early commenters be funny challenge