@@Raddish-IS-Radd true, I thought Shifu was a bit too early as well. Unless there's an actual time-skip for that. Though I honestly think the other MC was the main focus...not PO himself
For the Tai Lung interacting with Shifu thing, I believe it was originally going to happen, but it got axed. This was in a recent Q and A with one of the directors on the KFP discord/reddit
@@rpg_neko1815yep, it was. Every good story beat and plot line that would’ve kept this film in line with what came before was completely shunned. To make matters worse, the co-director was belittled for her ideas that would’ve made this film faithful
Even better if Tai Lung was actually part of the plot,they had the perfect opportunity to explore more of his character in this movie,but they didn't take the bait. Like,the movie should have been about him,his chance for redemption, and make amends with Shifu. This movie could have been so much better if they went with this route,I actually wanted Po to help Tai Lung,to help him learn that he didn't need the scroll to feel special,he was already special,that he didn't needed the scroll to make Shifu proud,Shifu has always been proud of him (he just failed to said it sooner),Po could have helped him see that just because he wasn't the Dragon Warrior it doesn't mean that he is worthless and his life ended there. Honestly,what a waste of opportunity to make Tai Lung learn the lesson Shifu failed to teach him.
The Co-Director of the movie, Stephanie Ma Stine, had some amazing ideas. She said she wanted to make the movie truer to the first 2, and Jack Black himself said she brought actual depth and heart. Po would've had a vision of Shifu being kidnapped by the Chameleon, prompting Po to go on a quest to stop her. Despite his best efforts, she would've succeeded. This would've raised the stakes, displayed the Chameleon as a real threat, and allowed Shifu to be there at the end to say goodbye to Tai Lung. Stephanie also wanted Zhen's redemption to be more fleshed out, ensured it to have both dialogue and action, and for it to actually happen onscreen, much to the chagrin of the writers who just wanted her to swoop in out of nowhere to fight the Chameleon before quickly disappearing again. Meanwhile, the director of the movie, Mike Mitchell, wanted the movie to be more laughs and joke-y. He wanted Chameleon and Zhen to have ZERO backstory whatsoever, and by the time the crew convinced him that, you know, giving the main villain a backstory is kind of important, they were too late to do anything more than add in those few lines. Many crewmembers came up with ideas for Zhen's backstory, but they were all discarded. The film was made so short because they believed children couldn't watch a longer film, and also because they'd get more money. Guess which of these two guys they decided to give full creative freedom.
If that’s all true I wouldn’t be surprised, this is a very DreamWorks way of thinking when making a lot of their movies. Also the fact this movie exists in the first place is a clear indication they were looking to make some money on it, and a lot of the movie is missing many key components from the original trilogy. Let’s hope they clean up their act and the next potential movie is actually decent at least.
Thank you for that information. It's a shame we got Mike in charge instead. If they make another Stephenie and Jennifer Yuh Nelson would make a great duo
@@Endore5000 This information is actually true. A lot of this information can be found from a Q&A from Stine in the Kung Fu Panda subreddit/discord server.
Yep Pretty accurate While he was blinded by his desire to be the dragon warrior Fans here are blinded by nostalgia and very very high expectations and imaginary promises
@@sirbachelorboredmen1314 you can tell by the fat that the wolves look different than the ones from kp2 and acuafina looks like she comes from zootopia
I read a comment on another video saying that Zhen should've been trashed, instead, Kung-Fu Panda 4 should've been about Po teaching Tai Lung to grow and to learn to accept why he wasn't meant to be the dragon warrior. They defeat the Chameleon together at the end. Tai Lung reconciles with Shifu, flushing out the father-son relationship, making for a heart-warming scene. Tai Lung's a fan-favorite villain, and he never really got a redemption. This movie would've been a perfect chance to do so, sadly we got this version instead :(
@@vexaris1890YES! Even if chameleon did try to bring his soul back, kai soul literally exploded but writers aint care about plothole lol, i smell it miles away knowing this movie would be casshgrab
@@Endore5000Kung Fu Panda 1 for action and comedy, 2 for emotional maturity and character development. Depends on what you like more in general. I think 2 is better personally
I think what I hated most about the ending with the villains is how Li Shan is in the same room as Lord Shen, the same dude who wiped out his whole village in cold blood, killed his wife and cost him his only son, and it DOESN'T get acknowledged like at all!! They're just put there as background characters and nothing else. Like WTF??
@@DanielMa-k1u their souls get pulled out of ... Chi heaven (?) . Don't worry he's not a character. He just gets put in a cage for the full film and gets saved and jsut goes back not saying A SINGLE WORD
DreamWorks is a very shotgun approach studio, they make lots of content and bank on hoping they make a lot of money from it, and also hope people like them too.
You think they care about what adults have to say when they make movies for children 😂 I know some of their movies go beyond being only for children, but they still make them with kids in mind
@@muguiwaranoboy2542there's a short film that explains their back stories. Mantis is super fast and it's not until he learns to settle down that he is able to master himself before joining tigress to defeat boar and become a furious five. Viper's dad was. Actually a master known for his poison... But viper was born without poison. So she learned how to ribbon dance and once her village needed her she defended it this was before again, joining tigress to defeat boar and become a furious five. They were both taught by Shifu in Kung Fu. Prior to that they only had speed and dancing.
I know, it actually sucks they aren’t in it basically at all. The cutouts joke feels like a middle finger to people hoping the movie would be at least decent.
@@Endore5000 I do remember they said they would be in some capacity in the film... I already knew that was "Exact words" false reassuring but I didn't think it would be as cameos without lines.
@@BlackAxon yes But as a viewer's point , they're just side characters that don't have that much of a role in the movies aside from hype tools (except maybe tigress)
Oh please it’s just your opinion Shrek The Third is better than Kung Fu Panda 3. The difference it’s that in least the end is joyable. I know there is misplaced jokes or even poopy stuff but it’s reletable the fact Shrek is scared to be a parent. Stop please stop being like those people who see only negative on this movie@@Endore5000
I remember the first 3 is about po, First was about how an underdog became the hero, the second was purely emotional, and god did it Struck me when the Pandas were coldly wiped out, the third felt like po actually learning how to become a master and teach. This one was very mixed though. It felt like this movie wasn’t needed, he learnt everything as a dragon warrior.
@@muguiwaranoboy2542 i mean Most of the Movies was to teach po about being the dragon warrior, sure you could have passed it down but like, is it really necessary for you to complete the whole trilogy when it’s already completed?
They could have made a good new trilogy if they wanted to though. The "Master" concept, the family concept, the love, a new disastrous army could have swept down on them, dealing with the loss of characters we've come to know, Po learning about his legacy and how his mantle will carry on, pulling out a Rocky/Creed move and having the child of a villain come for them, or Po teaching someone else the lessons he learned about being worthy, and they could even pull a HTTYD and have the Valley people move on. There were plenty of ideas they could have adopted for this new trilogy that would have made sense for a slightly more mature Po. Instead it feels like we stepped backwards...? He goes from the Dragon Warrior in KFP 3 who has found his family, people, and destiny to, well, I don't even know.
Things that could make Kung Fu panda 4 the best movie : 1. To be a little longer than first 3 movies 2.furious five to be with po all the time 3.Tai lung to team up with po and the furious five to defeat the chameleon 4.Shifu and Tai lung to speak and forgive eachother 5.Lord Shan and Kai to have voices 6.Tai lung finally became the new dragon warrior 7. To be more emotional scenes ALL OF THIS = THE PERFECT KUNG FU PANDA MOVILE AND THE BEST MOVIE ÎN HISTORY!!!
Ikr no one wants that garbage fox to be the dragon warrior. It would have been better if she actually betrayed po fr, and tai lung, shen, and kai, beat her ass
Dreamworks is so up and down that it's actually wild. They released The Last Wish, honestly an arguable contender for top ten animated movies of all time and one of the best animated sequels ever, and then that mermaid movie, Megamind 2, and Kung Fu Panda 4. So inconsistent.
DreamWorks is a huge company with different divisions and studios much like other parent companies. Its unreasonable to expect consistency when every movie usually has different directors and writers. I heard megamind 2 wasn't even made by any of their main animation studios 😂
But does po need to retire he's still young and have a lot of fight in him why would he need to be a spiritual leader oogway became a spiritual leader when he was old damn this movie is ass
@@Endore5000 yeah bro it makes no sense this movie is trash they completely disregard all the other movies and all the abilities and progress po went through the movie is ass bro
To be honest… I’ve loved every single Kung Fu Panda content we’ve gotten… but I wholeheartedly think this would’ve been better off as a short series. There was so much wasted potential with the writing in the story that I almost forgot the movie was about stopping Chameleon.
@@Endore5000 right?! Weirdly enough im not a super professional movie writer but I literally thought of 3-4 different but more epic ways to tell that story :/
I agree with this the chameleon literally didn't even seem all that threatening to be honest I shouldn't feel like I should be able to take the villain in a fist fight and win imo
Remember when in kung fu panda 3 when oogway DIDNT give Po the staff of peace!!, WHOO, THANK GOD... im so fucking glad they made that shit up, for the movie!!
It’s wild that you had po’s panda dad and Lord shen in the same room and they say nothing?! And wtf is Kai doing, his whole thing was to leave the spirt realm and now wants to go back? Also why was tai lung glowing like the other dead villains? Didn’t po also skadosh him self so he should glow to? Very confused
I loved all the previous movies especially and the 3rd one was a perfect way to end and once I saw the 4th one I new It was a cash grab and was going to be bad
I think what pisses me off the most is that they literally had no buildup for Zhen, she didn't even have a special reason to be the dragon warrior, Po picked her just because, meanwhile Tai Lung is a much better option, it would have been a great conclusion to his character if he was the dragon warrior, but he just ends up being a fodder in the movie Also because Chameleon is literally a nobody, Tai Lung was related to Shifu's past, Shen was related to Po's, Kai was related to Oogway's, who tf even is Chameleon?
Tai Lung being the dragon warrior wouldn’t make sense since we know he could never be worthy, the first movie showed every reason why he isn’t worthy. But yeah Chameleon is a big ol nobody.
@@Endore5000This movie had the potential to start a redemption trilogy for Tai Lung and conclude with him actually overcoming his previous traits and becoming the new Dragon Warrior
Oh yeah, she has so minimal character development is criminal and everything that happens between Po and Zhen is not earned. Especially, when they dared to reuse the scene from Gongmen prison between Tigress and Po. I was annoyed by that. I think the characters got such pathetic character development because of the director's obsession with shoving comedy in almost every scene that is not focused on combat. We don't see how characters think or feel we just see them throwing one-liners for a comedy's sake. It was extremely noticeable in the movie. So when there was supposed to be a serious scene between the characters, we didn't care. It wasn't earned. I disagree with the notion Tai Lung should become a dragon warrior. There was a good reason why he wasn't given that title as his heart was corrupted. It'd be more satisfying if he was given that option, he would refuse. It is more fitting if Tigress became a dragon warrior as she had the skills of one but she lacked the heart of one. Through relation with Po, she could reach the point when she would have been a fierce warrior but also empathic to the weak and people in need like Po.
People consider it the weakest of the trilogy. But it's still a great movie and ends Po's journey in a really satisfying way. (my personal favorite as well)
Yup, it was showing signs the writers didn't know where to go already in most aspects, the 4th is basically the 3rd without its qualities and double down on its flaws. An usual sign of an IP's downfall. I for one concider the 2nd to be the last one and that's it.
that’s because it was (kind of?) made with it. they had a hard time trying to figure how the chameleon would shape shift so they used ai to assist them to give ideas. The animators animated those ideas.
Man it sucks because I honestly thought the fight scenes were cool and the Chameleon was very well animated. The plot literally could've just been "Chameleon wants to kill the Dragon Warrior and take the title for their own, and to do that, I must absorb the chi of some of the best fighters." So Chameleon kidnaps Shifu, the Furious Five, and brings Tai Lung from the dead to absorb his power because "Shifu taught you well, but he didn't teach you everything." This would make Po going alone understandable, he has a goal to get to with actual stake. Then here's the bit I believe should've happened. Po v Chameleon is one of the first fights! But this time, Chameleon wins, with Po having to retreat and go into hiding, thus bringing Chameleon a step closer to taking the Dragon Warrior name and/or crippling his reputation. This is when Po goes to assemble a squad to help him. Meanwhile, Chameleon would get some moments torturing their captors, with Tai Lung stirring up a bit of conflict because of the first movie, trying to defeat the 5, but clearly because of their drained chi, it ends in a draw. Then during the half point, the Chameleon would start torturing the 5 and Shifu for fun, with Tai Lung watching from the side lines. He starts to reflect on his actions, remembering the day he fought Shifu back at the Jade Temple with Shifu admitting his pride got in the way and that he's sorry. After the torture is over, it's be TIGRESS who approaches Tai Lung first, still very wary because he's Tai Lung, but approaching because she never saw Tai Lung so down before. Tai Lung and Tigress would have a bit with each other because both were trained to the point of strain by Shifu. Back on Po, he gets to the Chameleon again, and with his new squad, the issue being the squad don't believe they can stand up to the Chameleon, whose very image brings fear to the village. Chameleon wins again, 2-0. Po then starts helping the new recruits in saying that "you don't need to know what I know. You just gotta do what you already do. What makes you special." Yeah, it's sorta a repeat of 1 and 3, but I'll take it as him passing his wisdom and knowledge to the new ones. However this time, Po isn't taking this sitting down. Zhen confronts Po, trying to ask why Po is sounding less confident. Po then lets out that it's because he's afraid he'll let all of China down, because of his high status as the Dragon Warrior. Even thought Po has fought through his imposter syndrome, that was when the world, even himself, doubted he will be the Dragon Warrior. But now that all of China knows his title because of his feats, he's scared he'll let all of China down if he can't defeat Chameleon. Zhen reassures Po that failure shouldn't get in his way, as Zhen has looked up to Po as a figure since the news came out that Po saved China from Lord Shen. Comes the final confrontation, Po reaches to Chameleon once more, this time not going to run away if he falls now. Po's new recruits go in to help Po out, but this time using their own unique abilities to fight the Chameleon. The Chameleon, however, overpowers them using Tai Lung's powers. The Chameleon then threatens the FF and Shifu's lives if Po takes another move. Tai Lung however would not let this stand, threatening the life of his tragic father figure who felt nothing but regret for Tai Lung. In a fit of vengeance, Tai Lung managed to break through his shackles and attack Chameleon away from Shifu and FF. Po and Tai Lung then start performing a tag team with the new recruits to take down the Chameleon, who starts losing their grip on the powers they stole, entering back to their rightful owners one by one. Po manages to grab the hand of Chameleon and ready the Wuxing Finger Hold, but the Chameleons tries to strike Po before he can flex the pinkie by opening a spirit portal to trap Po in there for all eternity without his Jade Staff Oogway gave. Tai Lung saves Po, with him delivering the final blow and line to the Chameleon: "You'll never be the Dragon Warrior, for you aren't what the big fat panda is.", kicking Chameleon into the spirit portal, essentially killing Chameleon in the mortal world. Tai Lung reconciles his relationship with his father figure Shifu, and he pays his respects to Po, calling him the true Dragon Warrior, for even if Po were to fall, there would be none as great as Po for decades to centuries. Tai Lung redeemed, he returns to the Spirit Realm. Right before the movie hits the credits, the Chameleon would be stuck in the Spirit Realm, with Tai Lung approaching them. The Chameleon fearfully asks what he's gonna do to them. Tai Lung just cracks his knuckles, saying he is gonna have a little "fun", delivering a brutal punch punch toward the screen as he roars, showing he still is fighting with his violent nature, but this time using said violent leopard style to punish evil spirits, effectively making him akin to Lei Gong, the punisher of Chinese myth. That's whole essay is how I'd write it. Will admit idk what to do with Po without making him look like a plot device, but I guess what are you gonna do when Po's arc is complete. I wanted 4 to be somewhat more focused on Tai Lung after all.
I always had a weird feeling about this movie after seeing some of the teasers and trailers, I have no clue how I knew but everything i watched just felt kinda weird and off
@@Endore5000and that's why a lot of people didn't like them movie Cause they convinced themselves they wouldn't like it even before watching it Good mentality
@@muguiwaranoboy2542 well they weren't proven wrong now, were they? , I really can't seem to find another reason for such a response here then the very fact that u are just trolling for the sake of it.
@@madhursaxena2645I keep seeing this guy replying to other comments passive aggressively trying to defend this movie with snarky responses like "womp womp" jesus christ
I really said, “That’s it?” out loud when I saw the credits. A bit disappointing we waited this long and didn’t get much new. Either way I don’t mind it’s not a terrible film but it’s certainly not the best.
If you think kung fu panda 4 has a bad ending, you should check out Trolls Band Together. I mean the movie is short, not a lot of character development and it even lacked emotional scenes. Honestly the ending was much worse than kung fu panda 4.
Was it just me or did Kai look off. Something about him didn’t look right. And I don’t mean chameleon turning into him I mean when we see the real him.
I thought Shen looked weird too. Honestly a lot of the characters including Po just don't look quite right to me and I can't fully put my finger on why. Shen and Kai had it the worse though. I think maybe the colours are more saturated or something? And I think I saw someone say they made them all softer too. Everyone still looks perfect in the 3rd movie idk why they felt the need to update it weirdly like that.
@@frenzy2061 after looking at clips and I agree Shen also looks off. The budget for this movie was only 85 million dollars compared to the 3rd movie being 145 million dollars. I also feel that the characters aren’t as detailed. They look cheap. This movie looks more like a high budget Netflix movie than a DreamWorks movie. Fricken Leo with Adam Sandler had a budget $70 million. They took so many shortcuts with the 4th movie it’s depressing.
And that’s definitely just for a trailer moment because it doesn’t mean anything. She could have said “Why did the chicken cross the road?” and even that would have meant more.
Hey man! Just a small tip when you screen record. Change your monitor to 24p so you don’t get that frame stutter. It’ll help clean up your videos. Otherwise very well done!!!
If animation in Kung Fu Panda 4 had good animation regarding explanation about it, it could be like Puss in Boots : The last wish. Specifically with the cinematic shots, effects (welp this film already has effects but I mean visuals to match the mood of the scenes), colours, buildup, anything that makes sense and not anything quote-unquote, "memetic" or "craziness".
I’m sure we were all hoping King Fu Panda 4 would have taken a note from The Last Wish and be really cool looking like a painting or something, perhaps inspired by ancient Chinese artist work? That would be sick!
You can't just put that art style in some random movie. It needs to FIT! _KFP_ doesn't need character design improvements or to look like a painting. It'll just look like a _Puss in Boots 2_ knock-off.
The second that I knew that a fourth entry was coming along, I knew for an absolute FACT that it would be a disappointment. I was three to four years old when I first laid eyes on Kung Fu Panda and that was 2008-2009, and I fell in love with the movie. The second installment came around, and I was mind-blown beyond belief. Three came along, and I was more than satisfied how the trilogy ended. 3 is usually just a lucky number with movie series', with three being where it all adds up together to make for a grand conclusion to the saga... Whereas the number 4 is literally an unlucky number in literature. Toy Story 4 made no sense in its existence. And Kung Fu Panda 4's existence is completely unwarranted, as it's just a sour way to end off a quadrilogy that we didn't need. This isn't to say that a quadrilogy will ALWAYS be inferior to a trilogy, but it's not normally done well and this movie proves that. Now in a year, I hope we all collectively forget that Kung Fu Panda 4 ever existed.
Hear hear, another factor is that if a fourth movie to a franchise comes out like 10 years after the trilogy, you know it’s mostly a cash grab unfortunately.
And that is why you are disappointed Because you didn't take off those nostalgia goggles and went in and made up your mind before even watching the movie This isn't a quadriogy, it's the start of another trilogy
Hey, someone else who enjoys and accepts the third film. I thought Kai was a great villain, I loved the aesthetic, and the pandas are always great. (People say there were two many jokes but I genuinely found that point when Po had lost the village to Kai really depressing. Also, Tigress hopeless and outmatched? Ouch).
it felt embarrassing when the villains took a bow to kung fu panda. With such a misinterpretation of the characters, I would get an F in literature and linguistics
I'm sad that this sort of thing has basically become the status quo. Remember when good movies _weren't_ a rare occurrence? It feels like we just rarely ever get decent movies anymore. They're always mid at best. :/
The chameleon had so many potentials to show and it was great but underdeveloped. There should have been a legendary combat between her and Po, I was waiting for it the entire movie.
I thought of a better movie idea much better the day before it came out Po is in his prime we see a slightly older po taking missions building the legend of the Dragon Warrior who is the strongest in all of of china The villain is an ancient enemy who is back now And other lands are introduced specifically this movie is focused on a rival Of the "Dragon warrior" Its the "Pheonix Lord" he once lost and Died to the dragon warrior but now he is back for vengeance and Po is Cocky that he is the strongest in world Despite never face the world Its a humbling experience after the Pheonix Lord Completely defeats Po Leaving Po with a choice Surrender or war Putting Po into a position of a king an experience he has never been before Po will be put into a larger picture A massive ancient battle between beings of power for control of the world The dragon warrior The pheonix lord The Griffon champion And this will slowly be revealed between 3 Movies And Po's understanding of the true power of the dragon warrior (Maybe its revealed Oogway was the previous dragon warrior and once po was the next chosen he was going to die for there can't be 2 dragon warriors) And in the same way Oogway Chose someone Po will too In the final movie However Oogway said he has never tried to go back so that just make this plot not work
6:21 Someone correct me if I'm wrong cuz I hate spreading this kind of misinformation if I am. But I've heard that they used AI to animate the Chameleon's transformations.
I subscribed as soon as you praised Shrek Forever After, and said the third one was shit. Nice to know there are some people out there who can appreciate the film.
I haven’t seen the film but I need to know, was there an epic shot at least? Like in the first film you had tai Lung’s escape, the second film having the tower collapse, and the third having the beginning Kai and Oogway fight. Was there an outstanding moment in this one?
I know it’s a plot thing but legitimately hated zhen becoming dragon warrior when my girl tigress existed who cares that she was doing something else give her a call and give her the damn staff
@@Endore5000 don’t think so because at the end Zhen already started her training and has the staff but I hope that’s a possibility cuz tigress deserves it 100x more
ALL 3 MOVIES ARE LITERALLY ABOUT HIM FINDING AND LEARNING WHO HE IS WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE 4TH SAYING HE DOESNT KNOW WHO HE IS HE KNOWS *EXACTLY* WHO HE IS. THATS WHAT PO AND US SPENT 3 MOVIES LEARNING
I say we get on dreamworks ass for a redo of this film, Where the elements are actually fleshed out, and Tai Lung is an actual character and not a prop. Also, I don’t need the cheesy voicing our feelings dialogue. That whole crime boss meeting was lame and took too much screen time.
honestly I can kinda see the movie being about accepting to leave the people from the past IN the past or overall move on from the past. Well, it's almost the same as 2, but here it's more about people; I can see it as Zhen moving on from The Chameleon and Po moving on from Tai Lung, Shen and Kai... well that could have been fleshed out more in the movie but yeah
It's sad that after revisiting the roots with The Last Wish, DWA still hasn't realized people like best their darkest movies. This sequel should've been more like KFP2.
If I remember correctly, dark DreamWorks movies get a lot of flack from oversensitive parents who think they’re too much for kids, because kids need sunshine and rainbows forever in their minds.
It's the fourth movie, of course it's not that great Also, Shrek is not a quadroligy, it's a trilogy, the third movie is just called Shrek Fourever After for no reason except the pun and a reference to the cancelled movie, Shrek the Third, which doesn't exist.
Oh yeah, I forgot Shrek the Third was cancelled. Thank goodness, I must have gotten it confused with some other terrible movie and convinced myself it existed. Thanks for reminding me.
One thing i do love is how Po is way better at kung fu but yet still retains his friendly unserious demeanor at the same time- compared to other movies where hes only serious in serious situations here he can toggle from serious to unserious seamlessly (at least from what i saw on the trailer)
I haven’t seen this movie, but I feel like the chameleon could’ve been written as an adversary. He’s gone against once in the beginning of the movie and loses the staff. and then later takes it on again along with the new student the supossive new dragon warrior that already seems like a plot point, that makes sense since he’s trying to get the new Dragon warrior.
There was a interview held with the animators, they actualy discussed and said they DID use ai for the chamelon character shapeshift animations because it made it feel more "uncomfortable"
Am I seriously the only one who genuinely prefers Kung Fu Panda 3 to 2? My rankings go. 1 3 2. I also believe their isn't a bad Kung Fu Panda film. Though Kfp 4 I have yet to see.
I don't get this need for the fan service like here by bringing back the villains when mostly only older fans would appreciate and the entirety of the movie's purpose for existence is " cartoon movie for kids with funny haha jokes = moneys"
The only thing I liked about this movie was the chase in that big Chinese city/town, I was hoping to see more of it than just a few chase scenes, food and ships😅😅
1. Dumbs down Po after all his experiences in the previous three movies. 2. Makes Po get defeated by an thief (not even trained to fight even when Chameleon shouldnt be able to teach her to fight cuz "Rejected" from kung fu schools) 3. No Furious Five 4. Granting Zhen dragon warrior status even tho Oogway didnt make do that until he was much older and wiser. Which Po is still young in his prime yet their tryinf to push him to pick an successor already? 5. Tai Lung and other villains defeated so easily. Also chameleon "Only in body, but the true kung fu is in their spirits" proceeds to defeat the other villains so easily?
Is it me who thought kung fu panda 3 was a bit better than 2? IMO part 2 should have been 3 because him being a dragon warrior should lead to some epic journey in part 2 that challenges his resolve instead of putting him in constant depression about his lost past. If they planned to make 6 moves then introducing the pandas should have been in later movies nearing finale of 2 trilogies.
I’m sure they didn’t actually plan to make 6 movies in the first place, the original trilogy being planned is as deep as they probably wanted to go at most. But if you think 3 is better than 2, that’s pretty interesting. One of the first people who I’ve seen have that opinion.
@@Endore5000well I do prefer the third over the first two and like the 2 the least so he isn't alone And am pretty sure they said they were planning 6 movies a long time ago
Po's dad and the goose in KFP 3: Are worried for their son BUT fight the villain and do everything to help him. They are good parents, likable and funny. The duo in this movie: Travels a bit, are worried for Po... that's it! They didn't helped him to fight the Cameleon AT ALL! Not even encourage him during the fight or jump on her back. They did nothing useful! If we remove all their scenes, it won't change the story much. They are entertaining but the characters did nothing important or useful 🤨😐
Mike Mitchell having full control over the movie while Stephanie Stine being discarded and ignored was what doomed the movie from the start. Mike just wanted to make money, and put no passion into the movie. Without passion, the movie can’t even be compared to KFP1 and 2. The stupidity of this being marketed towards children is horrible, since the first movie came out in 2008, meaning that the main audience that loved the movies are all grown up now. Adventure Time came out around two years after KFP1, and they were self-aware enough to make the show more mature. This shit being confirmed as just a way to make more money is what makes me hate it even more than Megamind 2. Because unlike Megamind 2, which can be easily non-canon if Dreamworks wants to make a legit Megamind 2, KFP4 is a permanent part of the story now.
There’s something else I just realized Most of the villains in the series. Well most all of the mainline villains in the original trilogy ( tai lung( mcshane), shen( Oldman), and Kai ( Simmons)) all have a unique color palette. Tai had blue, Shen had red, and Kai had green. And in each film part of the original trilogy, gold represented heroism. But here the chameleon doesn’t have any unique color palette. And yeah, there are other reasons as to why this movie is not that great but I just wanted to say that.
Well that’s nice to hear, sort of. Because that means we both didn’t have a good time with the movie and that sucks. I hope that robot movie DreamWorks is making will make up for it.
Maybe an nothing movie is better than a trash movie. Like, it could be way worse. This doesn't take away the movie's flaws, of course, but I am still optimistic for the future of the franchise.
@I-io8ee Nah I disagree. If we were talking about something like Miraculous it would be another thing, I would personally love to hate it. But when it comes to Kung Fu Panda... It's better that they didn't absolutely ruin it permanently, because it means they still have other chances to make it right. That's why I remain open to the possibility of it getting better
I still enjoyed it. Wasn’t as good as the first three by far but was overall enjoyable being a fan of the franchise since the first. The only thing I hated about it though was no lines for shen and Kai along with the fact that Zhen was kind of wasted potential. They could have given her more time to prove to po that she was could be the dragon warrior. Would have made for a good 5th movie if that happens. I believe that the tai lung redemption arc was him realizing oogway was right about the evil in him. The first movie showed what evil can do to someone once kind and calm. And in this one he seems more at peace with himself. Potentially spending time in the spirit realm to think about how his rampages end in destruction. And how that proved he wasn’t the dragon warrior.
The two guys who wrote the script for this movie and the other 3 movies worked with Mike Mitchell before, with trolls and chipwrecked, I feel with the wrong director they can end up making something bad or just mediocre or just plain disappointing
1: accept the current
2: accept the past
3: accept the future
4: what do we accept
Accept a mediocre movie.
I think Kung Fu Panda 4 is "accept change"
@@wubsufeven though it's not deserved cause Po isn't even that Old. So the whole new dragon warrior thing is kinda unwarranted.
4: Unacceptable
@@Raddish-IS-Radd true, I thought Shifu was a bit too early as well. Unless there's an actual time-skip for that.
Though I honestly think the other MC was the main focus...not PO himself
I’m so mad they didn’t have Tai Lung interact with Shifu. That story has so much potential.
TRUE, even that would have been something, Shifu did nothing, what a tragedy.
I’m mad they didn’t have him interact with Tigress! Like, all three of them in the room at the same time?! WHY NOT?!
For the Tai Lung interacting with Shifu thing, I believe it was originally going to happen, but it got axed. This was in a recent Q and A with one of the directors on the KFP discord/reddit
@@rpg_neko1815yep, it was. Every good story beat and plot line that would’ve kept this film in line with what came before was completely shunned. To make matters worse, the co-director was belittled for her ideas that would’ve made this film faithful
Even better if Tai Lung was actually part of the plot,they had the perfect opportunity to explore more of his character in this movie,but they didn't take the bait.
Like,the movie should have been about him,his chance for redemption, and make amends with Shifu.
This movie could have been so much better if they went with this route,I actually wanted Po to help Tai Lung,to help him learn that he didn't need the scroll to feel special,he was already special,that he didn't needed the scroll to make Shifu proud,Shifu has always been proud of him (he just failed to said it sooner),Po could have helped him see that just because he wasn't the Dragon Warrior it doesn't mean that he is worthless and his life ended there.
Honestly,what a waste of opportunity to make Tai Lung learn the lesson Shifu failed to teach him.
The Co-Director of the movie, Stephanie Ma Stine, had some amazing ideas. She said she wanted to make the movie truer to the first 2, and Jack Black himself said she brought actual depth and heart. Po would've had a vision of Shifu being kidnapped by the Chameleon, prompting Po to go on a quest to stop her. Despite his best efforts, she would've succeeded. This would've raised the stakes, displayed the Chameleon as a real threat, and allowed Shifu to be there at the end to say goodbye to Tai Lung. Stephanie also wanted Zhen's redemption to be more fleshed out, ensured it to have both dialogue and action, and for it to actually happen onscreen, much to the chagrin of the writers who just wanted her to swoop in out of nowhere to fight the Chameleon before quickly disappearing again.
Meanwhile, the director of the movie, Mike Mitchell, wanted the movie to be more laughs and joke-y. He wanted Chameleon and Zhen to have ZERO backstory whatsoever, and by the time the crew convinced him that, you know, giving the main villain a backstory is kind of important, they were too late to do anything more than add in those few lines. Many crewmembers came up with ideas for Zhen's backstory, but they were all discarded. The film was made so short because they believed children couldn't watch a longer film, and also because they'd get more money.
Guess which of these two guys they decided to give full creative freedom.
If that’s all true I wouldn’t be surprised, this is a very DreamWorks way of thinking when making a lot of their movies. Also the fact this movie exists in the first place is a clear indication they were looking to make some money on it, and a lot of the movie is missing many key components from the original trilogy. Let’s hope they clean up their act and the next potential movie is actually decent at least.
Thank you for that information. It's a shame we got Mike in charge instead. If they make another Stephenie and Jennifer Yuh Nelson would make a great duo
@@Endore5000 This information is actually true. A lot of this information can be found from a Q&A from Stine in the Kung Fu Panda subreddit/discord server.
They should make a directors cut of the movie
Stephanie got called a nobody when she told them her idea
Tai Lung's reaction to opening the dragon scroll be like
T R U E
Lol
Yep
Pretty accurate
While he was blinded by his desire to be the dragon warrior
Fans here are blinded by nostalgia and very very high expectations and imaginary promises
@@muguiwaranoboy2542 idk, the 2 and 3 movie made me cry and this one pissed me off
@@anapaola7241 let me guess
Aquafina ?
“It’s a show about nothing. How do we know when it’s over?” - Cosmo
Roll credits!
"I do"
It’s a movie about mentorship. Ask me anything, no one in this comment section seems to possess even 6th grade reading comprehension.
@@fireemblemaddict128.
🤯🤯
@@fireemblemaddict128 what makes this movie something I should care about that the other 3 movies didn't do better?
The trailer makes it look like they “softened” the art style
Which is another point to how the movie is basically Kung Fu Panda but lesser.
I noticed it felt... slightly softer compare to the previous
@@sirbachelorboredmen1314 you can tell by the fat that the wolves look different than the ones from kp2 and acuafina looks like she comes from zootopia
Nostalgic fans try not to make up whatever reason to criticize the film challenge (impossible)
@@muguiwaranoboy2542nah the movie does look softer and less detailed.
I read a comment on another video saying that Zhen should've been trashed, instead, Kung-Fu Panda 4 should've been about Po teaching Tai Lung to grow and to learn to accept why he wasn't meant to be the dragon warrior. They defeat the Chameleon together at the end. Tai Lung reconciles with Shifu, flushing out the father-son relationship, making for a heart-warming scene. Tai Lung's a fan-favorite villain, and he never really got a redemption. This movie would've been a perfect chance to do so, sadly we got this version instead :(
We all wanted more Tai Lung, but yeah he was basically trailer clickbait.
Bruh I want more kai and shen
But all they did is just becoming NPC
@@3takoyakisI wonder how Kai can be in this movie. He was disintegrated in 3. He actually can't exist, right? He was destroyed.
@@vexaris1890YES! Even if chameleon did try to bring his soul back, kai soul literally exploded
but writers aint care about plothole lol, i smell it miles away knowing this movie would be casshgrab
@@3takoyakis Shen had a chance to come back, Kai on the other hand became a flashbang, so obviously it would probably have just been Shen.
2nd is definitely still the best
My favorite is the first Kung Fu Panda personally, but I think the 2nd one might be the objective best for what it accomplished.
I agree
@@Endore5000Kung Fu Panda 1 for action and comedy, 2 for emotional maturity and character development. Depends on what you like more in general. I think 2 is better personally
@@bungofungusand 3 for the best theme ever
2nd one weirdly have same length which is 90 mins
But feel more longer
I think what I hated most about the ending with the villains is how Li Shan is in the same room as Lord Shen, the same dude who wiped out his whole village in cold blood, killed his wife and cost him his only son, and it DOESN'T get acknowledged like at all!! They're just put there as background characters and nothing else. Like WTF??
The faults of fan service with no payoff.
What is he gonna do ?
Punch him ? Scold him ? Ask for an apology ?
@@muguiwaranoboy2542 yes
wait that peacock is still ALIVE????
@@DanielMa-k1u their souls get pulled out of ... Chi heaven (?) .
Don't worry he's not a character. He just gets put in a cage for the full film and gets saved and jsut goes back not saying A SINGLE WORD
Do dream works not have any social media employees that look on RUclips to see what people ACTUALLY WANT??
DreamWorks is a very shotgun approach studio, they make lots of content and bank on hoping they make a lot of money from it, and also hope people like them too.
If they follow what people actually want they'd give us the most crackhead fever dream of a movie and it won't be good
You think they care about what adults have to say when they make movies for children 😂 I know some of their movies go beyond being only for children, but they still make them with kids in mind
Every movie company has a skill issue by not listening to what the community really wants
Kung fu Panda:"I waa rejected by all kung fu schools because i was too small!!!"
Mantis and Viper: "lol"
Blatantly ignoring past movies for the sake of not having to work too hard on making a good plot.
Pretty sure those two trained by themselves
It's another region of china so it might be the reason why
@@muguiwaranoboy2542there's a short film that explains their back stories. Mantis is super fast and it's not until he learns to settle down that he is able to master himself before joining tigress to defeat boar and become a furious five.
Viper's dad was. Actually a master known for his poison... But viper was born without poison. So she learned how to ribbon dance and once her village needed her she defended it this was before again, joining tigress to defeat boar and become a furious five. They were both taught by Shifu in Kung Fu. Prior to that they only had speed and dancing.
@@rosamontano6744I do know that
Liked those short films
Hahahaha Skill Issue...
I hate the lack of the furious 5 in this movie
I know, it actually sucks they aren’t in it basically at all. The cutouts joke feels like a middle finger to people hoping the movie would be at least decent.
@@Endore5000 I do remember they said they would be in some capacity in the film...
I already knew that was "Exact words" false reassuring but I didn't think it would be as cameos without lines.
It's not like they matter
Aside from tigress, they're pretty much side characters
@@muguiwaranoboy2542 They're also Po's closest friends and lifetime idols though. They are a hugely important part of his life.
@@BlackAxon yes
But as a viewer's point , they're just side characters that don't have that much of a role in the movies aside from hype tools (except maybe tigress)
i was so disappointed Lord Shen didn't even have a voiceline or any cool scene other that when the Chameleion turned into him for well, one attack
Another disappointment in a movie of disappointments.
He was a last moment addition, just like kai
Him being there doesnt even make sense as he's not even a kung fu master
Kung fu panda 1: physical
Kung fu panda 2: mentally
Kung fu panda 3: spiritual
Kung fu panda 4: robbery☠️
Purgatory
Tax evasion
Finding the nostalgia blinded fans
@@Endore5000 Cacophony!
Oh please it’s just your opinion Shrek The Third is better than Kung Fu Panda 3. The difference it’s that in least the end is joyable. I know there is misplaced jokes or even poopy stuff but it’s reletable the fact Shrek is scared to be a parent. Stop please stop being like those people who see only negative on this movie@@Endore5000
I remember the first 3 is about po, First was about how an underdog became the hero, the second was purely emotional, and god did it Struck me when the Pandas were coldly wiped out, the third felt like po actually learning how to become a master and teach. This one was very mixed though. It felt like this movie wasn’t needed, he learnt everything as a dragon warrior.
A very mixed bag indeed.
Cause he didn't have to learn anything ?
The student trilogy reached an end
Now it's the master trilogy
@@muguiwaranoboy2542 i mean Most of the Movies was to teach po about being the dragon warrior, sure you could have passed it down but like, is it really necessary for you to complete the whole trilogy when it’s already completed?
@@painty3459 I mean
This movie wasn't for the purpose of completing the first trilogy but to start the second one
They could have made a good new trilogy if they wanted to though. The "Master" concept, the family concept, the love, a new disastrous army could have swept down on them, dealing with the loss of characters we've come to know, Po learning about his legacy and how his mantle will carry on, pulling out a Rocky/Creed move and having the child of a villain come for them, or Po teaching someone else the lessons he learned about being worthy, and they could even pull a HTTYD and have the Valley people move on.
There were plenty of ideas they could have adopted for this new trilogy that would have made sense for a slightly more mature Po. Instead it feels like we stepped backwards...? He goes from the Dragon Warrior in KFP 3 who has found his family, people, and destiny to, well, I don't even know.
Things that could make Kung Fu panda 4 the best movie :
1. To be a little longer than first 3 movies
2.furious five to be with po all the time
3.Tai lung to team up with po and the furious five to defeat the chameleon
4.Shifu and Tai lung to speak and forgive eachother
5.Lord Shan and Kai to have voices
6.Tai lung finally became the new dragon warrior
7. To be more emotional scenes
ALL OF THIS = THE PERFECT KUNG FU PANDA MOVILE AND THE BEST MOVIE ÎN HISTORY!!!
Only good point is the first one
The rest are just personal feels
I appreciate fans coming up with more interesting plots than the people who made the movie. Better or worse, at least some passion.
@@Endore5000 because the people who made de movies don't want to leasten the public ideas , the ideas that are free to adopt!
Ikr no one wants that garbage fox to be the dragon warrior. It would have been better if she actually betrayed po fr, and tai lung, shen, and kai, beat her ass
I agree with you man Tai lung or tigress should have been the dragon warrior, to quote sub-zero ( such wasted potential ).
It's weird how they absolutely NAILED puss in boots and then go to this. Wish we got the same treatment for Kung fu Panda :(
Dreamworks is so up and down that it's actually wild. They released The Last Wish, honestly an arguable contender for top ten animated movies of all time and one of the best animated sequels ever, and then that mermaid movie, Megamind 2, and Kung Fu Panda 4. So inconsistent.
DreamWorks is known for being inconsistent, so I’m not surprised. They have a very shotgun approach to making movies.
DreamWorks is a huge company with different divisions and studios much like other parent companies. Its unreasonable to expect consistency when every movie usually has different directors and writers.
I heard megamind 2 wasn't even made by any of their main animation studios 😂
But does po need to retire he's still young and have a lot of fight in him why would he need to be a spiritual leader oogway became a spiritual leader when he was old damn this movie is ass
That was something I noticed too, why is Po retiring already, he still seems very young.
Exactly, in the 2nd movie master shifu even pointed out how FAST he is learning things that took other masters DECADES
@@purplecatloverrandompizza exactly bro this movie makes no sense it's like the writers/creators forgot about all the other movies
@@Endore5000 yeah bro it makes no sense this movie is trash they completely disregard all the other movies and all the abilities and progress po went through the movie is ass bro
@@impackmusiq5236cope harder
To be honest… I’ve loved every single Kung Fu Panda content we’ve gotten… but I wholeheartedly think this would’ve been better off as a short series.
There was so much wasted potential with the writing in the story that I almost forgot the movie was about stopping Chameleon.
The Chameleon definitely took a side line for not funny shenanigans and fun dads adventure.
@@Endore5000 right?! Weirdly enough im not a super professional movie writer but I literally thought of 3-4 different but more epic ways to tell that story :/
I agree with this the chameleon literally didn't even seem all that threatening to be honest I shouldn't feel like I should be able to take the villain in a fist fight and win imo
I feel like Kung Fu Panda peaked at 2
at least we have jack black singing britney spears lol
TRUE
This movie basically made up stuff on the fly
Totally, a lot of problems coming out of nowhere and shouldn’t be problems.
Remember when in kung fu panda 3 when oogway DIDNT give Po the staff of peace!!, WHOO, THANK GOD... im so fucking glad they made that shit up, for the movie!!
As soon as i heard Awkwafina was gonna be in it i knew it wasn't gonna be good
She’s gaining a sort of James Corden affect to her roles and I don’t like it.
She's the female equivalent of James Corden
I love her because she voiced Ms. Tarantula and The Bad Guys has Mr. Wolf in it and he’s daddy 😂
@@TheWeekndFan-tv8cethe bad guys would like to disagree with you
@@TheWeekndFan-tv8celog out for me
movie had some interesting ideas, especially for the main villain. I mainly wish they made the fight scenes more elaborate.
There was ideas, but it’s like they came up with ideas then didn’t workshop or develop them at all.
@@Endore5000 yeah, i was contemplating leaving the theatre at one point, because it became a slog.
It’s wild that you had po’s panda dad and Lord shen in the same room and they say nothing?! And wtf is Kai doing, his whole thing was to leave the spirt realm and now wants to go back? Also why was tai lung glowing like the other dead villains? Didn’t po also skadosh him self so he should glow to? Very confused
I have a feeling a lot of the DreamWorks board didn’t rewatch the original trilogy before writing this movie.
Also, Kai straight up ceased to exist. His spirit was destroyed by Po at the end of 3. Why is he here?
@@_somestuff Oh yeah fr, it could make sense for her to imitate Kai or use his weapons but he doesn't actually exist anymore.
tai lung immediately wanted to dip after Chameleons offer which I was so confused about, he should’ve took her out without being threatened
I loved all the previous movies especially and the 3rd one was a perfect way to end and once I saw the 4th one I new It was a cash grab and was going to be bad
It was definitely a disappointment waiting to happen.
They planned that there would be two trilogies since the start
I think what pisses me off the most is that they literally had no buildup for Zhen, she didn't even have a special reason to be the dragon warrior, Po picked her just because, meanwhile Tai Lung is a much better option, it would have been a great conclusion to his character if he was the dragon warrior, but he just ends up being a fodder in the movie
Also because Chameleon is literally a nobody, Tai Lung was related to Shifu's past, Shen was related to Po's, Kai was related to Oogway's, who tf even is Chameleon?
Tai Lung being the dragon warrior wouldn’t make sense since we know he could never be worthy, the first movie showed every reason why he isn’t worthy. But yeah Chameleon is a big ol nobody.
@@Endore5000This movie had the potential to start a redemption trilogy for Tai Lung and conclude with him actually overcoming his previous traits and becoming the new Dragon Warrior
Oh yeah, she has so minimal character development is criminal and everything that happens between Po and Zhen is not earned. Especially, when they dared to reuse the scene from Gongmen prison between Tigress and Po. I was annoyed by that.
I think the characters got such pathetic character development because of the director's obsession with shoving comedy in almost every scene that is not focused on combat. We don't see how characters think or feel we just see them throwing one-liners for a comedy's sake. It was extremely noticeable in the movie. So when there was supposed to be a serious scene between the characters, we didn't care. It wasn't earned.
I disagree with the notion Tai Lung should become a dragon warrior. There was a good reason why he wasn't given that title as his heart was corrupted. It'd be more satisfying if he was given that option, he would refuse. It is more fitting if Tigress became a dragon warrior as she had the skills of one but she lacked the heart of one. Through relation with Po, she could reach the point when she would have been a fierce warrior but also empathic to the weak and people in need like Po.
Or Tigress honestly, she's always been up there for potential dragon warrior
Wait people thought the 3rd movie was bad?! 🤯
Some did, but most thought it was just good. Which is compared to the first two Kung Fu Panda’s which are amazing. Alone, the third is pretty good! 👍
People consider it the weakest of the trilogy. But it's still a great movie and ends Po's journey in a really satisfying way.
(my personal favorite as well)
@@elijahalbiston My personal fave is KFP 2, but only by a small margin from both KFP 1 & 3. 3 ended the trilogy very beautifully.
Yup, it was showing signs the writers didn't know where to go already in most aspects, the 4th is basically the 3rd without its qualities and double down on its flaws. An usual sign of an IP's downfall.
I for one concider the 2nd to be the last one and that's it.
I might be controversial but to me the 3rd movie is my 2nd fav
when the chameleon transforms it looks like it was made by ai
that’s because it was (kind of?) made with it. they had a hard time trying to figure how the chameleon would shape shift so they used ai to assist them to give ideas. The animators animated those ideas.
I learned that they used ai as reference, but didn’t cheat and use the ai animations themselves.
Man it sucks because I honestly thought the fight scenes were cool and the Chameleon was very well animated.
The plot literally could've just been "Chameleon wants to kill the Dragon Warrior and take the title for their own, and to do that, I must absorb the chi of some of the best fighters." So Chameleon kidnaps Shifu, the Furious Five, and brings Tai Lung from the dead to absorb his power because "Shifu taught you well, but he didn't teach you everything."
This would make Po going alone understandable, he has a goal to get to with actual stake. Then here's the bit I believe should've happened.
Po v Chameleon is one of the first fights! But this time, Chameleon wins, with Po having to retreat and go into hiding, thus bringing Chameleon a step closer to taking the Dragon Warrior name and/or crippling his reputation. This is when Po goes to assemble a squad to help him.
Meanwhile, Chameleon would get some moments torturing their captors, with Tai Lung stirring up a bit of conflict because of the first movie, trying to defeat the 5, but clearly because of their drained chi, it ends in a draw.
Then during the half point, the Chameleon would start torturing the 5 and Shifu for fun, with Tai Lung watching from the side lines. He starts to reflect on his actions, remembering the day he fought Shifu back at the Jade Temple with Shifu admitting his pride got in the way and that he's sorry. After the torture is over, it's be TIGRESS who approaches Tai Lung first, still very wary because he's Tai Lung, but approaching because she never saw Tai Lung so down before. Tai Lung and Tigress would have a bit with each other because both were trained to the point of strain by Shifu.
Back on Po, he gets to the Chameleon again, and with his new squad, the issue being the squad don't believe they can stand up to the Chameleon, whose very image brings fear to the village. Chameleon wins again, 2-0. Po then starts helping the new recruits in saying that "you don't need to know what I know. You just gotta do what you already do. What makes you special." Yeah, it's sorta a repeat of 1 and 3, but I'll take it as him passing his wisdom and knowledge to the new ones. However this time, Po isn't taking this sitting down. Zhen confronts Po, trying to ask why Po is sounding less confident. Po then lets out that it's because he's afraid he'll let all of China down, because of his high status as the Dragon Warrior. Even thought Po has fought through his imposter syndrome, that was when the world, even himself, doubted he will be the Dragon Warrior. But now that all of China knows his title because of his feats, he's scared he'll let all of China down if he can't defeat Chameleon. Zhen reassures Po that failure shouldn't get in his way, as Zhen has looked up to Po as a figure since the news came out that Po saved China from Lord Shen.
Comes the final confrontation, Po reaches to Chameleon once more, this time not going to run away if he falls now. Po's new recruits go in to help Po out, but this time using their own unique abilities to fight the Chameleon. The Chameleon, however, overpowers them using Tai Lung's powers. The Chameleon then threatens the FF and Shifu's lives if Po takes another move. Tai Lung however would not let this stand, threatening the life of his tragic father figure who felt nothing but regret for Tai Lung. In a fit of vengeance, Tai Lung managed to break through his shackles and attack Chameleon away from Shifu and FF. Po and Tai Lung then start performing a tag team with the new recruits to take down the Chameleon, who starts losing their grip on the powers they stole, entering back to their rightful owners one by one. Po manages to grab the hand of Chameleon and ready the Wuxing Finger Hold, but the Chameleons tries to strike Po before he can flex the pinkie by opening a spirit portal to trap Po in there for all eternity without his Jade Staff Oogway gave. Tai Lung saves Po, with him delivering the final blow and line to the Chameleon:
"You'll never be the Dragon Warrior, for you aren't what the big fat panda is.", kicking Chameleon into the spirit portal, essentially killing Chameleon in the mortal world. Tai Lung reconciles his relationship with his father figure Shifu, and he pays his respects to Po, calling him the true Dragon Warrior, for even if Po were to fall, there would be none as great as Po for decades to centuries. Tai Lung redeemed, he returns to the Spirit Realm. Right before the movie hits the credits, the Chameleon would be stuck in the Spirit Realm, with Tai Lung approaching them. The Chameleon fearfully asks what he's gonna do to them. Tai Lung just cracks his knuckles, saying he is gonna have a little "fun", delivering a brutal punch punch toward the screen as he roars, showing he still is fighting with his violent nature, but this time using said violent leopard style to punish evil spirits, effectively making him akin to Lei Gong, the punisher of Chinese myth.
That's whole essay is how I'd write it. Will admit idk what to do with Po without making him look like a plot device, but I guess what are you gonna do when Po's arc is complete. I wanted 4 to be somewhat more focused on Tai Lung after all.
If they were to make the new trilogy about revisiting past villains and events, maybe that could’ve been good too.
how long did this take you 💀
@@jyn9549 Too long 💀
@@raymaikeru i was trying to read this then it got longer and longer
Very long, but it was good to read
I always had a weird feeling about this movie after seeing some of the teasers and trailers, I have no clue how I knew but everything i watched just felt kinda weird and off
Something inside all of us just knew the movie wouldn’t be great.
@@Endore5000and that's why a lot of people didn't like them movie
Cause they convinced themselves they wouldn't like it even before watching it
Good mentality
@@muguiwaranoboy2542 well they weren't proven wrong now, were they? , I really can't seem to find another reason for such a response here then the very fact that u are just trolling for the sake of it.
@@Endore5000 a disturbance in the force told us the movie was gonna be bad lmao
@@madhursaxena2645I keep seeing this guy replying to other comments passive aggressively trying to defend this movie with snarky responses like "womp womp" jesus christ
I really said, “That’s it?” out loud when I saw the credits. A bit disappointing we waited this long and didn’t get much new. Either way I don’t mind it’s not a terrible film but it’s certainly not the best.
Totally, it’s not the worst thing ever, heck it’s not even in the worst of DreamWorks own movies.
I had the same reaction after seeing Trolls Band Together lol some stories in films nowadays just feel incomplete to me.
If you think kung fu panda 4 has a bad ending, you should check out Trolls Band Together. I mean the movie is short, not a lot of character development and it even lacked emotional scenes. Honestly the ending was much worse than kung fu panda 4.
@@spencerreid2086if you read my comment, I wasn’t talking to you.
@@ziona9259 urm my comment was made before yours mate? so yeah no shit you weren't talking to me I also wasn't talking to you.
Was it just me or did Kai look off. Something about him didn’t look right. And I don’t mean chameleon turning into him I mean when we see the real him.
Probably, I didn’t get a good look at Kai but I wouldn’t be surprised if he looked off.
He shouldn’t even exist like he was destroyed in part 3.
@@TonyPratt-pw3yt the people that worked on this movie didn’t put much thought and effort into this movie lol
I thought Shen looked weird too. Honestly a lot of the characters including Po just don't look quite right to me and I can't fully put my finger on why. Shen and Kai had it the worse though. I think maybe the colours are more saturated or something? And I think I saw someone say they made them all softer too. Everyone still looks perfect in the 3rd movie idk why they felt the need to update it weirdly like that.
@@frenzy2061 after looking at clips and I agree Shen also looks off. The budget for this movie was only 85 million dollars compared to the 3rd movie being 145 million dollars. I also feel that the characters aren’t as detailed. They look cheap. This movie looks more like a high budget Netflix movie than a DreamWorks movie. Fricken Leo with Adam Sandler had a budget $70 million. They took so many shortcuts with the 4th movie it’s depressing.
Commenting for algorithm boost. Wanna watch myself and then hopefully come back to hear out your points.
Always appreciate an algorithm booster! Thank you, my friend!
Me: Ha ha ha ha kung fu panda 4 is all about nothing (evil laugh)
Truly
2:39 They really went for the "We're not so different you and I" trope. Like wow.
And that’s definitely just for a trailer moment because it doesn’t mean anything. She could have said “Why did the chicken cross the road?” and even that would have meant more.
@@Endore5000 Your thumbnail gave me an epiphany on how much of a gradeschool level writing the story is.
@@Endore5000 But it would have been more memorable
Hey man! Just a small tip when you screen record. Change your monitor to 24p so you don’t get that frame stutter. It’ll help clean up your videos. Otherwise very well done!!!
There’s a frame stutter in the video? Huh, I didn’t notice. I’ll take your comment into note, thank you! Glad you enjoyed!
If animation in Kung Fu Panda 4 had good animation regarding explanation about it, it could be like Puss in Boots : The last wish. Specifically with the cinematic shots, effects (welp this film already has effects but I mean visuals to match the mood of the scenes), colours, buildup, anything that makes sense and not anything quote-unquote, "memetic" or "craziness".
I’m sure we were all hoping King Fu Panda 4 would have taken a note from The Last Wish and be really cool looking like a painting or something, perhaps inspired by ancient Chinese artist work? That would be sick!
@@Endore5000 you've made a great point Endore!
Beat the koto nia
You can't just put that art style in some random movie. It needs to FIT! _KFP_ doesn't need character design improvements or to look like a painting. It'll just look like a _Puss in Boots 2_ knock-off.
The second that I knew that a fourth entry was coming along, I knew for an absolute FACT that it would be a disappointment.
I was three to four years old when I first laid eyes on Kung Fu Panda and that was 2008-2009, and I fell in love with the movie. The second installment came around, and I was mind-blown beyond belief. Three came along, and I was more than satisfied how the trilogy ended.
3 is usually just a lucky number with movie series', with three being where it all adds up together to make for a grand conclusion to the saga... Whereas the number 4 is literally an unlucky number in literature. Toy Story 4 made no sense in its existence. And Kung Fu Panda 4's existence is completely unwarranted, as it's just a sour way to end off a quadrilogy that we didn't need.
This isn't to say that a quadrilogy will ALWAYS be inferior to a trilogy, but it's not normally done well and this movie proves that. Now in a year, I hope we all collectively forget that Kung Fu Panda 4 ever existed.
Hear hear, another factor is that if a fourth movie to a franchise comes out like 10 years after the trilogy, you know it’s mostly a cash grab unfortunately.
And that is why you are disappointed
Because you didn't take off those nostalgia goggles and went in and made up your mind before even watching the movie
This isn't a quadriogy, it's the start of another trilogy
Hey, someone else who enjoys and accepts the third film. I thought Kai was a great villain, I loved the aesthetic, and the pandas are always great. (People say there were two many jokes but I genuinely found that point when Po had lost the village to Kai really depressing. Also, Tigress hopeless and outmatched? Ouch).
I personally just pretend like I never saw this movie
Good choice, they made a forgettable experience, we’ll forget about the movie.
@@Endore5000 yeah i dont know how to explain it but the movie just felt so much more smaller compared to the last 3
@@Endore5000This isn’t Nevermind vs. The Loser Syndicate
@@Endore5000Or Nevermind Drools!
Gotta love how people treat this as some kind movie equivalent of Velma
So Kung fu panda 4 is the worst one???
Easily
No
Is not that bad
I love po so much
objectively, its the worst one
They play the fart joke on repeat in my building elevator. Suffice to say - I have seen the movie for all it is.
Oh jeez
it felt embarrassing when the villains took a bow to kung fu panda. With such a misinterpretation of the characters, I would get an F in literature and linguistics
It was wild to see irredeemable villains just accept defeat and bow to someone they hate
I'm sad that this sort of thing has basically become the status quo. Remember when good movies _weren't_ a rare occurrence? It feels like we just rarely ever get decent movies anymore. They're always mid at best. :/
We’re in an upsetting era for sure, which is why Indie animation is popping off, because independent artists know what audiences actually want.
@@Endore5000 the exactly same thing with the videogame industry
The hell are you talking about?
@@dylansharp8471 Movies suck these days, what are _you_ talking about?
This movie is full of dumb movie cliche 🤣🤣🤣🤣 it has no plot it's boring and lame the only good thing about this movie was tai lung
You’re really letting this movie have it ey.
@@Endore5000 yep it's embarrassing
The chameleon had so many potentials to show and it was great but underdeveloped. There should have been a legendary combat between her and Po, I was waiting for it the entire movie.
The ending fight was so underwhelming and boring, and the Chameleon becoming Po really didn’t amount to anything.
I thought of a better movie idea much better the day before it came out
Po is in his prime we see a slightly older po taking missions building the legend of the Dragon Warrior who is the strongest in all of of china
The villain is an ancient enemy who is back now
And other lands are introduced specifically this movie is focused on a rival Of the "Dragon warrior"
Its the "Pheonix Lord" he once lost and Died to the dragon warrior but now he is back for vengeance and Po is Cocky that he is the strongest in world
Despite never face the world
Its a humbling experience after the Pheonix Lord
Completely defeats Po
Leaving Po with a choice Surrender or war
Putting Po into a position of a king
an experience he has never been before
Po will be put into a larger picture
A massive ancient battle between beings of power for control of the world
The dragon warrior
The pheonix lord
The Griffon champion
And this will slowly be revealed between 3 Movies
And Po's understanding of the true power of the dragon warrior
(Maybe its revealed Oogway was the previous dragon warrior and once po was the next chosen he was going to die for there can't be 2 dragon warriors)
And in the same way Oogway Chose someone Po will too
In the final movie
However Oogway said he has never tried to go back so that just make this plot not work
I fully believe many fans have better ideas for this movie than what we got, which is crazy yet not surprising.
Please never write again
That sounds like a fanfiction as bad as shipping comic
@@muguiwaranoboy2542 This is a fanfiction when it's just someone's headcanon dumbass
I though it was ok@@muguiwaranoboy2542
6:21 Someone correct me if I'm wrong cuz I hate spreading this kind of misinformation if I am. But I've heard that they used AI to animate the Chameleon's transformations.
I believe the animators used AI for reference, but actually animated it themselves and purposefully made it look weird like the AI did.
I subscribed as soon as you praised Shrek Forever After, and said the third one was shit. Nice to know there are some people out there who can appreciate the film.
What can I say, I like good movies!
I haven’t seen the film but I need to know, was there an epic shot at least? Like in the first film you had tai Lung’s escape, the second film having the tower collapse, and the third having the beginning Kai and Oogway fight. Was there an outstanding moment in this one?
Nothing cool in the slightest. The closest we get is one shots where paint stripes are in the background but they aren’t special.
It feels like a straight to dvd sequel (ok a bit harsh but not in animation quality I'm talking about the writing)
I feel the same way, also feels like a TV movie, or even a show forced together.
I know it’s a plot thing but legitimately hated zhen becoming dragon warrior when my girl tigress existed who cares that she was doing something else give her a call and give her the damn staff
I wonder if in the next movies, there’s more contenders for Dragon Warrior introduced, and Po has to choose between 3 of his friends.
@@Endore5000 don’t think so because at the end Zhen already started her training and has the staff but I hope that’s a possibility cuz tigress deserves it 100x more
Me: The stories are gone forever (evil laugh)
Not sure what that means but sure.
ALL 3 MOVIES ARE LITERALLY ABOUT HIM FINDING AND LEARNING WHO HE IS WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE 4TH SAYING HE DOESNT KNOW WHO HE IS
HE KNOWS *EXACTLY* WHO HE IS. THATS WHAT PO AND US SPENT 3 MOVIES LEARNING
I know right, like come on, have a little consistency.
Finally... Oh yes... Kung Fu Panda 4.... IS MINE!!!!!
what? IT'S NOTHING!!!!!
- Tai Lung
EXACTLY
The film really needed an extra 30 minutes (at least) to tie everything together.
Still, I enjoyed it a lot, but I see its shortcomings.
Yeah the short runtime was wild. Glad you liked it though.
SKYLANDERS MUSIC!!!! You’ve earned my respect 👏👏👏
It’s a banger, glad you liked it!
Should have stop at 3
For sure
I say we get on dreamworks ass for a redo of this film,
Where the elements are actually fleshed out, and Tai Lung is an actual character and not a prop.
Also, I don’t need the cheesy voicing our feelings dialogue. That whole crime boss meeting was lame and took too much screen time.
They’ll never redo it but we can dream
kung fu panda 4 is honestly a filler ep of the tv series that's made into a movie
That is a perfect way to explain it.
I liked the music, and the movie was good, but not the best.
A very fair opinion.
honestly I can kinda see the movie being about accepting to leave the people from the past IN the past or overall move on from the past. Well, it's almost the same as 2, but here it's more about people; I can see it as Zhen moving on from The Chameleon and Po moving on from Tai Lung, Shen and Kai... well that could have been fleshed out more in the movie but yeah
There’s probably a decent plot in there somewhere, and yeah they did need to flesh out the movie more.
Wasn't expecting skylanders music in the background but I am so hype for it bravo
Skylanders music is pretty good, what can I say! Glad you like it!
It's sad that after revisiting the roots with The Last Wish, DWA still hasn't realized people like best their darkest movies. This sequel should've been more like KFP2.
If I remember correctly, dark DreamWorks movies get a lot of flack from oversensitive parents who think they’re too much for kids, because kids need sunshine and rainbows forever in their minds.
I wish I was lying when I say I couldn't remember most of the movie after it was done. Only the parts with Tai Lung
Same, I’m forgetting it so fast.
It's the fourth movie, of course it's not that great
Also, Shrek is not a quadroligy, it's a trilogy, the third movie is just called Shrek Fourever After for no reason except the pun and a reference to the cancelled movie, Shrek the Third, which doesn't exist.
Oh yeah, I forgot Shrek the Third was cancelled. Thank goodness, I must have gotten it confused with some other terrible movie and convinced myself it existed. Thanks for reminding me.
how is this chanel not more popular
Aw shucks, I’m happy you feel that way. Thanks for watching!
The third movie is my favourite
That’s neat, still a fun time.
I chose not to see it because of Awkwafina. Her voice is annoying and I can't stand it.
Her voice isn’t annoying on its own, but the way she acts in movies is very over the top annoying.
@@Endore5000I didn't think she was annoying I liked her character honestly lol
One thing i do love is how Po is way better at kung fu but yet still retains his friendly unserious demeanor at the same time- compared to other movies where hes only serious in serious situations here he can toggle from serious to unserious seamlessly (at least from what i saw on the trailer)
Po’s character is always going to be very charming, that’ll likely never change, no matter how bad a movie we get. But Po cannot carry an entire film.
0:16 you had a voice crack
Oop
I'll just accept my head canon there's only 3 movies in existence
Good on you.
Same. This fourth movie sucks
@@The_Lil_King this isn't Velma
Chill
The chameleon might be a Dumb Villain but you have to admit SHE IS HOT!🔥
💀
I haven’t seen this movie, but I feel like the chameleon could’ve been written as an adversary. He’s gone against once in the beginning of the movie and loses the staff. and then later takes it on again along with the new student the supossive new dragon warrior that already seems like a plot point, that makes sense since he’s trying to get the new Dragon warrior.
If you haven’t seen it, I’ll say go in with low expectations and know that anything you think of is better, probably.
There was a interview held with the animators, they actualy discussed and said they DID use ai for the chamelon character shapeshift animations because it made it feel more "uncomfortable"
They used ai as reference, then animated the weirdness themselves. So it was a tool, and thankfully not a shortcut.
but still..... i didnt like how they use ai as reference
Kung fu panda 4 is similar to sonic forces
That’s a really funny comparison without the context.
My brain: Yeah I agree. It's really sad how bad KFP 4 is. I liked watching it at least, but I can't-
The other side of my brain: S K Y L A N D E R S
Skylanders forever!
Am I seriously the only one who genuinely prefers Kung Fu Panda 3 to 2? My rankings go. 1 3 2. I also believe their isn't a bad Kung Fu Panda film. Though Kfp 4 I have yet to see.
There are definitely people out there who prefer 3 to 2, just not a very popular opinion.
The worst part about this movie is the fox character. Literally, if you pull her out from the story, nothing changes
Yeah Sisu does nothing
Haha, had to click for the “Spider-Man vs Venom”-like thumbnail.
It’s based on a frame from the movie I thought was funny.
So sad that even TROLLS FUCKİNG 3 was a way better movie 😞
Actually so true
I didn't watch the movie. Lol
Keep it that way, save your money.
I don't get this need for the fan service like here by bringing back the villains when mostly only older fans would appreciate and the entirety of the movie's purpose for existence is " cartoon movie for kids with funny haha jokes = moneys"
It is certainly a weird way to go about things
The only thing I liked about this movie was the chase in that big Chinese city/town, I was hoping to see more of it than just a few chase scenes, food and ships😅😅
That was pretty fun wasn’t it.
1. Dumbs down Po after all his experiences in the previous three movies.
2. Makes Po get defeated by an thief (not even trained to fight even when Chameleon shouldnt be able to teach her to fight cuz "Rejected" from kung fu schools)
3. No Furious Five
4. Granting Zhen dragon warrior status even tho Oogway didnt make do that until he was much older and wiser. Which Po is still young in his prime yet their tryinf to push him to pick an successor already?
5. Tai Lung and other villains defeated so easily. Also chameleon "Only in body, but the true kung fu is in their spirits" proceeds to defeat the other villains so easily?
Is it me who thought kung fu panda 3 was a bit better than 2? IMO part 2 should have been 3 because him being a dragon warrior should lead to some epic journey in part 2 that challenges his resolve instead of putting him in constant depression about his lost past.
If they planned to make 6 moves then introducing the pandas should have been in later movies nearing finale of 2 trilogies.
I’m sure they didn’t actually plan to make 6 movies in the first place, the original trilogy being planned is as deep as they probably wanted to go at most. But if you think 3 is better than 2, that’s pretty interesting. One of the first people who I’ve seen have that opinion.
interestingly enough kfp3 is rated higher than kfp2 on rotten tomatoes@@Endore5000
3 was awful compared to 2, so its just you.
@@wolfofwarframe3807 womp womp
@@Endore5000well
I do prefer the third over the first two and like the 2 the least so he isn't alone
And am pretty sure they said they were planning 6 movies a long time ago
Po's dad and the goose in KFP 3: Are worried for their son BUT fight the villain and do everything to help him. They are good parents, likable and funny.
The duo in this movie: Travels a bit, are worried for Po... that's it! They didn't helped him to fight the Cameleon AT ALL! Not even encourage him during the fight or jump on her back. They did nothing useful!
If we remove all their scenes, it won't change the story much. They are entertaining but the characters did nothing important or useful 🤨😐
Welp....at least its better than megamid 2
Oh for sure, Megamind 2 was an atrocity.
Mike Mitchell having full control over the movie while Stephanie Stine being discarded and ignored was what doomed the movie from the start. Mike just wanted to make money, and put no passion into the movie. Without passion, the movie can’t even be compared to KFP1 and 2. The stupidity of this being marketed towards children is horrible, since the first movie came out in 2008, meaning that the main audience that loved the movies are all grown up now. Adventure Time came out around two years after KFP1, and they were self-aware enough to make the show more mature. This shit being confirmed as just a way to make more money is what makes me hate it even more than Megamind 2. Because unlike Megamind 2, which can be easily non-canon if Dreamworks wants to make a legit Megamind 2, KFP4 is a permanent part of the story now.
DreamWorks has always had a leadership problem and movies like this make it really show
@@Endore5000 For real
Ayo is that Skylanders music?
You got it!
LEVIATHAN LAGOON MENTIONED GRAHHHHHHH ‼️‼️🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥
Gotta love that good ol Leviathan Lagoon!
Should have just stuck with the 3rd movie
Yeah, should have kept it a trilogy.
There’s something else I just realized
Most of the villains in the series. Well most all of the mainline villains in the original trilogy ( tai lung( mcshane), shen( Oldman), and Kai ( Simmons)) all have a unique color palette. Tai had blue, Shen had red, and Kai had green. And in each film part of the original trilogy, gold represented heroism. But here the chameleon doesn’t have any unique color palette. And yeah, there are other reasons as to why this movie is not that great but I just wanted to say that.
The skylanders music hitting hard!!!
Skylanders music is very hype
Movie would be better if it wasn't the annoying voice of Awkwafina.
I agree with you
Well that’s nice to hear, sort of. Because that means we both didn’t have a good time with the movie and that sucks. I hope that robot movie DreamWorks is making will make up for it.
Maybe an nothing movie is better than a trash movie. Like, it could be way worse. This doesn't take away the movie's flaws, of course, but I am still optimistic for the future of the franchise.
That makes one of us optimistic and that’s better than nothing.
@I-io8ee Nah I disagree. If we were talking about something like Miraculous it would be another thing, I would personally love to hate it. But when it comes to Kung Fu Panda... It's better that they didn't absolutely ruin it permanently, because it means they still have other chances to make it right. That's why I remain open to the possibility of it getting better
If you read the behind the scenes for this movie, we were gonna have Live action humans in it and so many horrible things in the production
Live action humans? Huh, interesting. I wonder what that would have entailed.
I wanted The chamelion to be more of a mystery and hidden. The trailers shouldnt have made it not obvious😭. The zhen twist was sooo obvious.
So many predictable elements in one movie.
I still enjoyed it. Wasn’t as good as the first three by far but was overall enjoyable being a fan of the franchise since the first. The only thing I hated about it though was no lines for shen and Kai along with the fact that Zhen was kind of wasted potential. They could have given her more time to prove to po that she was could be the dragon warrior. Would have made for a good 5th movie if that happens. I believe that the tai lung redemption arc was him realizing oogway was right about the evil in him. The first movie showed what evil can do to someone once kind and calm. And in this one he seems more at peace with himself. Potentially spending time in the spirit realm to think about how his rampages end in destruction. And how that proved he wasn’t the dragon warrior.
I really wish they showed more of Tai Lung in this movie, to give him an actual arc instead of a background arc basically
If you enjoyed it please, get some damn high standards
@@serily4524 my bad for liking a movie lol, I’m not that hard to please tbh
More so writers fault than directors but KFP4 and Shrek 4 were the same director
That’s wild
The two guys who wrote the script for this movie and the other 3 movies worked with Mike Mitchell before, with trolls and chipwrecked, I feel with the wrong director they can end up making something bad or just mediocre or just plain disappointing