It rarely is this way. Innovation usually is the result of multiple persoms working and sharing on a direction for a long time with little baby steps. There are multiple "eureka" moments and lots of hard work. Regards
@@HowToAiNow So true !! but the little eureka moments feel so good !! Personally I feel I am the smartest man when I crack a hard one and everyone is like - "Why didn't I think of this"
@@HowToAiNow There are multiple different theories on how innovation works. Best as I can determine from practical experience, the team, a good team, can provide a fertile environment for insight to form - either by presenting different ways to look at a problem, or just by tearing down bad ideas. However 95% of the time the key insight comes from one mind over about 10 seconds (though it then takes 6 months to subsequently nail it all down). Rarely, it seems, does a ground breaking idea stem from two or more simultaneously. Indeed when the inspiration hits the individual usually needs stop engaging from the group whilst they explore the insight. If they then explain it, others can 'get it' and might feel that they were part of the inspiration - but the key insights seem to be personal, and necessary for progress.
I love watching these clips, I get so pumped to go to school on Monday and create some mind-blowing breakthrough to wow my professors and to cement myself in history books forever. Except my professor says "Steve, this is a drawing of a stick figure with the words 'Steve's theory of stick figures' written under it. And this isn't a school, it's a factory, and i'm not a professor i'm your boss and you're 15 minutes late and your fired."
I am currently writing my senior thesis in history. Even as a small child, this film encouraged me to dream academically. I am on the last chapter and am now watching this scene again. The diligence portrayed in this movie still motivates me as if I were still a little boy taking my first steps on this path.
@@EseEtiebet-rk8vm I am studying in Germany and the thesis has dealt with historical immigration after World War II and the economic boom of the 1950s in Germany. I put a focus on the relationship between the city and migration. This is because migration processes in the 50s, 60s and 70s were judged in an extremely racist and xenophobic way in the German majority society. This also had an impact on historical research and imposed blinkers on it. In more recent research, however, one suspects that migration was treated differently at the local level than in the nation-state framework. I have investigated this myself in my work, using a concrete example, and have come to some interesting conclusions. But I am glad that the work process is over now. I think motivation and discipline are both very important to stick with it. I am motivated by many things and people. Often it is certain songs, quotes, books, personalities that motivate me in the lowest moments. Just like this movie scene.
@@T_U_Fbefore Nash, people believed Adam Smith's idea that competition leads to the best results; sort of like saying "let's race and may the best man win." To oversimplify, Nash's game theory states that if you only do what is in your selfish interest, you will create a situation in which both you and your competitors lose! Since most people's eyes glaze over when you show them graphs and statistics, this everyday example of asking girls out in a bar shows it better.
@@austinlongoria7901 Right, in a Nash equilibrium, everyone is playing their best strategy related to everyone else's best strategy and thus no incentive to change their strategy, unlike in this movie example.
Although in this situation, the Nash Equilibrium, is somewhat similar to the Prisoner's Dilemma. Yet, here if all the guys choose the blonde, as Nash noted, not one of the guys gets laid, no one wins.
Takes a theory, applies it through competency and ownership of it, then runs with it by revising it into an unknown, evolved and "Equilibrium" state of a better theory. Truly a beautiful mind
@Soraplushie If no one wants to change their position to better themselves then it is a Nash Equalibrium. Isnt it. No one wants to go for the blond because they know that if they do they wont get laid. They go for her friends knowing that it will get them laid. They DONT want to change their position.
@Soraplushie The preference doesnt matter. Does it. What matters is their decisions to not go for the blonde because they know that it will get them laid. They are willing to not change their decision to not go for the blonde.
@Trites - Except you don't understand what their actual preferences are and trying to dictate or control it with government policy is a complete failure, so you're better off not trying that label. The complexity of the "human robot" is beyond your human intellect.
Like others have said here, this scene motivates for some reason. The music really stimulates that Eureka-feeling. Nash can't wait to work his theory out and talking softly to himself in mathematical language. Epic
This isn't a Nash equilibrium tho. A Nash equilibrium would be a case where no agent (the guys in this scene) wishes to change their strategies (pursue any other girl in this case), given the strategy of the other agents. In this case, any guy can go pursue the blond woman (change strategy) given the others have already chosen a strategy (dancing with one of the other girls).
@@neelanshguptaa310 no you can't because 'nobody likes to be second choice' including the blond. This is a Nash equilibrium. Switching to blond last minute when you see the others go for brunettes is a losing strat
In my opinion one of the best films ever made . The depictment of schizophrenia was spot on. Have lived with my mother suffering the same illness for 40 years and the sensitive script and unsurpassed acting is nothing short of genius. I hope this film gives people incite into mental illness
The most mind blowing thing about the Nash Equilibrium to me, is the simple mathematical model that underpins it. The N.E. is the intersection between the Best-Response curves of every agent. *mindblown*
Exactly. We hang together or we hang separately. Team players. What benefits one, benefits all. That is why I am left scratching my head on why this is viewed as a revolutionary breakthrough in economics. Its been known forever.
John Nash's revision is how every community should work. What's best for yourself and the community. If everyone in the community only operates for self , the community fails.
But if ignoring others is bad for the self, you should recognize that considering others is good for the self, therefore the best thing for everyone is to be for themselves. The problem is a misunderstanding of what living for yourself means. Self-centredness isn't selfish.
@@thememaster7 Being self-centered is always great but the only way you build an organized, prosperous community is for everyone in the community to contribute to it. The proof is literally everywhere. All the messed up places in the world or even with a state or city, are places where people dont work together to make the place better
Nash was brilliant: after his friends took his advice and ignored the blonde girl, he puts his arm around her and proceeds to exit the bar, shouting, "So long, suckers!!"
This is so true. I work in the commerce. And I realized when we do only what is good for us without consider our rival companies we can't survive, we must have a good relationship with them 'cause' everyone needs everyone when our stock runs out and we need to refer someone to cover our temporary lack!
The theory at the time was that businesses work best when we all compete against each other because competition brings about the best economic results. This is what capitalism is about - the market forces determining the outcomes through competition. But Nash realises that there are situations where we need to work collectively in order for everyone to win.
I READ Adam Smith's 'Wealth of Nations". This is not what he says; and he excoriates businesses that are raping the nation and its citizens. Capitalism is not based on Smith's work. His work is misused as a shield for feral greed.
a nash equilibrium is when given that no one changes there choices noone can do strictly better by changing their choices the most likely nash equilibrium in that situation would be whoever approaches the blonde first gets to try but afterwards given that they would block eachother it would be irrational for anyone else to approach her later and they should move on to another girl. No aggreement is required for an optimum outcome the nash equilibrium is the optimum outcome assuming all players are rational.
Matthew Balch Wrong. The Nash equilibrium is not necessarily the pareto optimal outcome (see the prisoners dilemma). That is the observation that contradicts Adam Smith's neoclassical position that self-interested actors achieve the best possible outcome. In this scene Nash is observing that the strategic equilibrium outcome (that everyone approaches the blonde) makes everyone worse-off compared to if all individuals coordinated not to go for the blonde. The notion that in certain situations the self-interested equilibrium is less preferable to the coordinated outcome contradicts neoclassical economic dogma.
aroyal641 But in this case, any of them has an incentive to defect, which contradicts the Nash Equilibrium Theory. (considering that getting the blonde worths 10 and getting the brunettes worths 5)
In this scenario one of the rules is the brunettes would reject a player that had chosen the blonde first... so wouldn't it be implied that it works both ways and that once a player has chosen a brunette, the blonde would reject them if they then go for her? In that case none of the players have incentive to deviate from the brunettes.
The director of the movie nailed it....its so difficult to portray n place before audience the story n how Nash equilibrium came into being... the Director as well as music director ..truely ..a beautiful mind..
@@ricsouza5011 Right, in a Nash equilibrium, everyone is playing their best strategy related to everyone else's best strategy and thus no incentive to change their strategy, unlike in this movie example. In the movie, each guy still has an incentive to deviate.
If this is all true and he did really run up to the blond woman say thank you and run off again then this has got to be one of the most priceless moment's in academic history.
I love how they say 'If this is some way for you to get the blonde, you can go to hell.' If they believed him, he would'dve actually went for the blonde after all. Sneaky man
I adore the ending of this scene. While the review of his work wouldn't be so brief (I'd think they'd take weeks or even months to scrutinize and peer review it), what a feeling that must be to have your work so acknowledged in the height of worldwide academia. Hell, he's far ABOVE those who reviewed it. It's no wonder these guys are so often claimed arrogant and condescending. They could afford to be. Ah, I could only ever dream of being so intelligent...perhaps in my next life.
You'd almost certainly trade in valuable people's skills for that intelligence, and let's not forget a human life isn't all about doing what you're best at. Sometimes we just wanna chill and have fun, with other people.
Kale P That decision could lead to a level of loneliness to potentially create mental ilnesses (if it even were possible). My evidence is the amount of times geniuses have told us how much they wish they could be ordinary/mediocre, because the knowledge they acquire with their intelligence cannot be discarded anymore, especially not on purpose. However I agree with you on your first statement, this scene is one of the most enjoyable in the entire movie.
The last scene was not true. In reality the professors were not really impressed with the work and almost 20 years later the Nash-Equilibrium got the attention!
@@trevorochmonek9024 This is because scientists dont really sit around a camp fire and sing, as the right wing groups would suggest all scientists are lefty's. In reality peer review can be a "battle royale" as if your going to agree to some young up start with a new paper trashing the last 40 years of your work!!!
After just writing my final exam on game theory it’s ironic this would pop up in my recommended. If it’s wasn’t for this man I might not needed to study hundreds of hours of this stuff. Crazy to think about
The greatest "shot" is when Nash lines his p.o.v. with the reflections, refractions, and shadows of a lemonade bowl (😉) and a hideous tie! Absolutely Adored this Art!
I ran into Adam Goldberg circa 1998 directly across the street from the Lee Strasberg theater and film institute on e15 st - he was in front of me getting coffe at a restaurant directly accross the street . He turned around and nervously sighted me in my construction workers clothes -and mumbled something as he moved pass me - he was great in Brighton Beach memoirs .
Nature is not without irony. Geniuses like these are less likely to get married or have children. But they live for eternity through their thoughts while rest of us live through our genes.
@@ritam8767 Na man we both got recommended the same video about the same time so was curious as to what you were watching just before this because we both landed up here. hahahahah
One of the main milestones within the leading path of the Theory of games: firstly-Cournot and his approaches on duopoly; secondly- Von Neumann, who settled down the framework for the analysis ( its fundamentals) thirdly - John Nass, whose insights gave proper form to the likelihood of one perfect equilibrium where after one "contract" the solution chosen would be the worst one, and then a bunch of names from which Joseph Stiglitz could be highlited for widening the framework to insurances and oportunistic behavior. Finally, the theory of games become one of the main tools of an spectrum of models and theories systemized whose name is the Theory of information.
they could've all went after her and enjoyed her at the same time LOL, and then it comes down to who goes last and you face the law of diminishing returns.
OK guys, this is not a Nash equilibrium. The first thing my game theory professor made clear to us last semester was that the movie got it wrong. There are different types of equilibria, but we'll just stick to the 'pure strategies Nash equilibrium' in a normal-form game (a game where everyone chooses their strategy simultaneously). First, a 'strategy profile' is a possible combination of the strategies chosen by each of the players (for example, all of them going for the blonde or each one going for a different brunette- although those are not the only ones in this game). When you've got a strategy profile and want to figure out if it is a pure strategies Nash equilibrium, you take the perspective of each player in the game (each guy in this scene would be a player, although they are clearly not *players*). And, in simple words, you see if that player would be better off changing their strategy if everyone else stuck with what the profile says they'll do. If you do that for all of the players, and no one would be better off changing their strategy while the others remain unchanged, then it is a pure strategies Nash equilibrium in a normal-form game. However, if you did that here, John Nash would clearly be better off by going after the blonde when the others go for her friends. He finds her far more attractive than any of her friends, she's clearly expressed interest so he's got a similar chance with her as he does with her friends, and no one else would be pursuing her. So he would get more utility from pursuing her one-on-one than doing the same thing with one of her friends. If you doubt this, you can read John Nash's original paper. It expresses this, amongst other things, albeit in a way that isn't very easy to understand.
threenumbnuts The job of your professors is to say they're smarter than movies. Eventually, your job will be to say you're smarter than you're professors.
threenumbnuts I agree with what you are saying that factoring in the position between Nash/blonde gives him a higher chance of succeeding. But isn't the underlying message being explained by the movie assuming that there is no added advantage for any one player? Thats the way I understood it, because it is not necessarily them trying to get laid, but Nash's character explaining the concept of everyone trying to get laid. And from that point of view he assumes everyone has an equal opportunity, in which that if everyone assumes everyone else is going to attempt to go for the blonde, they can improve their position by going for a brunette, therefore everyones best move is to go for a brunette.
Dark Tenka Yes, if everyone thinks that the others will go for the blonde and best respond according to that assumption, they all go for brunettes. But that does not make it a Nash equilibrium- if everyone thought that the others would go for the brunettes, then they choose to go for the blonde (I think this is a fairly reasonable assumption, that they'd take a one-on-one chance with the blonde instead of a one-on-one chance with the brunette). The thing with pure-strategy Nash equilibriums is that, in a manner of speaking, you "make" a player assume that the others will definitely follow a certain course of action, and then ask them what response would maximize their own "gain", or utility. IRL you would be uncertain about the other players and would use a different line of thought to decide what to do. If I were to correct this scene, I would have the guys all walk up to the brunettes, only to have Nash change direction at the last possible second and go for the blonde. The next day, they rag on him for conning them, and he says "I knew you were all going to hit on her friends and not get in my way, so why wouldn't I hit on her?" Then again, the whole situation isn't very good for demonstrating the concept of a Nash eq.
I’m not studying economics but my pharmacotherapy professor recommended our class to watch this movie when studied schizo in pharmacy school…loved it and the Awakening too 🤓
I don't know if this is intentional, I'm confident it is, but I love the fact that the bar music that plays in the background ends just as Nash finishes his point. 2:12
I took a Game Theory course at Harvard for my masters. Studied some of Professor Nash’s work and I barely understood it. The man was an absolute genius.
It does illustrate though that adam Smith was wrong. That the maximum group utility is not achieved by each person acting in their best said interests..., that only gets you to the Nash equilibrium.
I've studied economics, and I've got to say it takes very complex thinking to be able to see a scenario that simply. If I'd been sitting next to him, I would have said that even if they all agreed to avoid the blonde, there would then be the issue of all the men going after the SECOND most attractive girl, so the scenario repeats. Yet Nash looked at all the other ways that this system was complex and STILL REASONED that you could simplify the scenario if you JUST considered the most desirable option and avoided the option that all the other players (guys) would take. I would have looked at this scenario and thought that it was far to complex to predict outcomes, yet Nash saw RIGHT THROUGH IT. Amazing!
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Good ole nash adding an extra chapter to my intermediate microeconomics course...
feel ya bro, feel ya
Don’t worry brother, you’ll soon witness another chapter added by me in the future. I’m pursuing economics and mathematics. So,watch out brother
@@AC-ob3by If this is your plan to get the blonde, then you can go to hell, Hitler
@@DivineAtheistWannabe Underrated comment
wait till ya get to intermediary macro, makes micro look like a fucking walk in the park
This is the greatest thing about research and innovation. For a moment, you know something no one on earth does.
It rarely is this way. Innovation usually is the result of multiple persoms working and sharing on a direction for a long time with little baby steps.
There are multiple "eureka" moments and lots of hard work.
Regards
@@HowToAiNow So true !! but the little eureka moments feel so good !! Personally I feel I am the smartest man when I crack a hard one and everyone is like - "Why didn't I think of this"
i have this sensation often.
far more often than anyone else i imagine.
@@sharpnova2 Frisson???
@@HowToAiNow There are multiple different theories on how innovation works. Best as I can determine from practical experience, the team, a good team, can provide a fertile environment for insight to form - either by presenting different ways to look at a problem, or just by tearing down bad ideas. However 95% of the time the key insight comes from one mind over about 10 seconds (though it then takes 6 months to subsequently nail it all down). Rarely, it seems, does a ground breaking idea stem from two or more simultaneously. Indeed when the inspiration hits the individual usually needs stop engaging from the group whilst they explore the insight. If they then explain it, others can 'get it' and might feel that they were part of the inspiration - but the key insights seem to be personal, and necessary for progress.
The way he explains gives deep chills, it conveys perfectly what it feels like to be hit by an original idea.
Exactly
A feeling that is totally unfamiliar to me as yet.
@@3dbadboy1 Ah, as you said as yet. You will get there. These breakthroughs don’t happen many times in a lifetime.
you fellas having those all the time are ya
I love watching these clips, I get so pumped to go to school on Monday and create some mind-blowing breakthrough to wow my professors and to cement myself in history books forever. Except my professor says "Steve, this is a drawing of a stick figure with the words 'Steve's theory of stick figures' written under it. And this isn't a school, it's a factory, and i'm not a professor i'm your boss and you're 15 minutes late and your fired."
It's never late mate. Just go out there and do it.
ahahahahahahaaaa
it is my dream too. we'll make it come true. it's not late
IQ is hereditary qq
That was so funny it was sad
I am currently writing my senior thesis in history. Even as a small child, this film encouraged me to dream academically. I am on the last chapter and am now watching this scene again. The diligence portrayed in this movie still motivates me as if I were still a little boy taking my first steps on this path.
@@EseEtiebet-rk8vm I am studying in Germany and the thesis has dealt with historical immigration after World War II and the economic boom of the 1950s in Germany. I put a focus on the relationship between the city and migration. This is because migration processes in the 50s, 60s and 70s were judged in an extremely racist and xenophobic way in the German majority society. This also had an impact on historical research and imposed blinkers on it. In more recent research, however, one suspects that migration was treated differently at the local level than in the nation-state framework. I have investigated this myself in my work, using a concrete example, and have come to some interesting conclusions.
But I am glad that the work process is over now. I think motivation and discipline are both very important to stick with it. I am motivated by many things and people. Often it is certain songs, quotes, books, personalities that motivate me in the lowest moments. Just like this movie scene.
This has got to be one of the most epic scenes that explains game theory in its simplest form.
Could u explain this
@@T_U_Fbefore Nash, people believed Adam Smith's idea that competition leads to the best results; sort of like saying "let's race and may the best man win." To oversimplify, Nash's game theory states that if you only do what is in your selfish interest, you will create a situation in which both you and your competitors lose! Since most people's eyes glaze over when you show them graphs and statistics, this everyday example of asking girls out in a bar shows it better.
Even though it’s poorly explained in this movie. All the guys have an incentive to deviate in this example.
@@austinlongoria7901 Right, in a Nash equilibrium, everyone is playing their best strategy related to everyone else's best strategy and thus no incentive to change their strategy, unlike in this movie example.
Although in this situation, the Nash Equilibrium, is somewhat similar to the Prisoner's Dilemma. Yet, here if all the guys choose the blonde, as Nash noted, not one of the guys gets laid, no one wins.
This is such an amazing scene.
I’m in my senior year of studying economics, and Nash Equilibrium has been in every textbook I’ve had to buy.
"buy"????
@@studybooks3395 yes? How else would I get them?
@@gabe2349 are you fucking kidding me, right?
@@studybooks3395 I mean, I suppose I could rent them but I prefer to buy them
If a book is worth reading, it’s worth owning.
Takes a theory, applies it through competency and ownership of it, then runs with it by revising it into an unknown, evolved and "Equilibrium" state of a better theory. Truly a beautiful mind
Rest In Peace, John Nash :-(
Zurassh Unbelieveable the way he and his wife died, completely unfitting for a person like him.
Ascenec James It's tragic. Though, it makes you wonder, why weren't they wearing seat belts?
Zurassh you think it might have been suicide ?
yvan1401 No. It was a tragic accident. If they wanted to commit suicide, why take a taxi cab?
when the hell did this happen?!
John Nash. A man with a mission, a drive, and a purpose. Respect well deserved.
other than not being a nash equilibrium, this is a great scene
What is it?
@Soraplushie If no one wants to change their position to better themselves then it is a Nash Equalibrium. Isnt it. No one wants to go for the blond because they know that if they do they wont get laid. They go for her friends knowing that it will get them laid. They DONT want to change their position.
@Soraplushie The preference doesnt matter. Does it. What matters is their decisions to not go for the blonde because they know that it will get them laid. They are willing to not change their decision to not go for the blonde.
@Soraplushie
Simply put. People are robotic preferences.
@Trites - Except you don't understand what their actual preferences are and trying to dictate or control it with government policy is a complete failure, so you're better off not trying that label. The complexity of the "human robot" is beyond your human intellect.
Like others have said here, this scene motivates for some reason. The music really stimulates that Eureka-feeling. Nash can't wait to work his theory out and talking softly to himself in mathematical language. Epic
yeah but thats not a scene about nash equilibrium, its pareto.
This scene was the best theoretical illustration of the Nash equilibrium I have seen.
Much better understood then my university courses..😂
The only problem is is that it isn't a Nash equilibrium.
This isn't a Nash equilibrium tho. A Nash equilibrium would be a case where no agent (the guys in this scene) wishes to change their strategies (pursue any other girl in this case), given the strategy of the other agents. In this case, any guy can go pursue the blond woman (change strategy) given the others have already chosen a strategy (dancing with one of the other girls).
@@neelanshguptaa310 no you can't because 'nobody likes to be second choice' including the blond. This is a Nash equilibrium. Switching to blond last minute when you see the others go for brunettes is a losing strat
In my opinion one of the best films ever made . The depictment of schizophrenia was spot on. Have lived with my mother suffering the same illness for 40 years and the sensitive script and unsurpassed acting is nothing short of genius. I hope this film gives people incite into mental illness
Nash had only auditory hallucinations, he didn't see an imaginary friend.
Erm no one said he did, you realise that still schizophrenia lool
Insight vs incite. 😂
@@LuisFernando-yd3mx 😂😂😂 sorry luis a slip of the brain cells. But it incited you into a reply 🤪
The piano in the score ❤️ such a beautiful music by james horner
it's not just economy, he is mathematician, he just provides tools for everyone to apply... even evolutionary biology or game theory
The most mind blowing thing about the Nash Equilibrium to me, is the simple mathematical model that underpins it. The N.E. is the intersection between the Best-Response curves of every agent. *mindblown*
This particular clip watched right before my exam awarded me 15 marks !
Thinking of a original idea is the greatest feeling ever, no matter how stupid or ill relevant it is it’s still the greatest high
Perfect explanation for united we stand. Divided we fall.
Exactly. We hang together or we hang separately. Team players. What benefits one, benefits all.
That is why I am left scratching my head on why this is viewed as a revolutionary breakthrough in economics. Its been known forever.
I love this scene a lot.. Especially bg by James horner completely tooks me to other world lv u JH we gona miss ur music...
John Nash's revision is how every community should work. What's best for yourself and the community. If everyone in the community only operates for self , the community fails.
Sensible. 🤔
But if ignoring others is bad for the self, you should recognize that considering others is good for the self, therefore the best thing for everyone is to be for themselves. The problem is a misunderstanding of what living for yourself means. Self-centredness isn't selfish.
That's what it's like when you're a republican.
@@modelleg thats a complement to republicans , lol
@@thememaster7 Being self-centered is always great but the only way you build an organized, prosperous community is for everyone in the community to contribute to it. The proof is literally everywhere. All the messed up places in the world or even with a state or city, are places where people dont work together to make the place better
Nash was brilliant: after his friends took his advice and ignored the blonde girl, he puts his arm around her and proceeds to exit the bar, shouting, "So long, suckers!!"
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@@SNKE ?
but that didnt happen so wtf are you talking about?
@@zada4a it's humour.
PMSL!! Well done!
the simplicity of complexity. Genius.
This was a great film. Both Russell Crowe and Jennifer Connelly's performances were excellent.
Paul Bettany was the better option if you ask me
This is so true. I work in the commerce. And I realized when we do only what is good for us without consider our rival companies we can't survive, we must have a good relationship with them 'cause' everyone needs everyone when our stock runs out and we need to refer someone to cover our temporary lack!
Just spent the last week studying this at school👏🙌
One of the best scenes in the history of cinema. Acting, script, photography, sfx, editing - everything superlative
The theory at the time was that businesses work best when we all compete against each other because competition brings about the best economic results. This is what capitalism is about - the market forces determining the outcomes through competition. But Nash realises that there are situations where we need to work collectively in order for everyone to win.
I READ Adam Smith's 'Wealth of Nations".
This is not what he says; and he excoriates businesses that are raping the nation and its citizens.
Capitalism is not based on Smith's work. His work is misused as a shield for feral greed.
@@veramae4098 this. He is used as a poster child for negligent capitalistic practices.
There’s a lot more to this discovery than the movie shows. If it were that simple, he wouldn’t have gotten a Nobel award.
@@smellypatel5272 What a snowflake! And a stinky Punjabber to boot...
for example?
Never thought in my wildest dream, Economics can be so much FUN!
john nash: the inventor of wingmaning
One of my most favorite movies and favorite scenes of it
this situation although interesting actually isn't a nash equilibrium.
explain why, I don't agree.
a nash equilibrium is when given that no one changes there choices noone can do strictly better by changing their choices the most likely nash equilibrium in that situation would be whoever approaches the blonde first gets to try but afterwards given that they would block eachother it would be irrational for anyone else to approach her later and they should move on to another girl. No aggreement is required for an optimum outcome the nash equilibrium is the optimum outcome assuming all players are rational.
Matthew Balch Wrong. The Nash equilibrium is not necessarily the pareto optimal outcome (see the prisoners dilemma). That is the observation that contradicts Adam Smith's neoclassical position that self-interested actors achieve the best possible outcome. In this scene Nash is observing that the strategic equilibrium outcome (that everyone approaches the blonde) makes everyone worse-off compared to if all individuals coordinated not to go for the blonde. The notion that in certain situations the self-interested equilibrium is less preferable to the coordinated outcome contradicts neoclassical economic dogma.
aroyal641 But in this case, any of them has an incentive to defect, which contradicts the Nash Equilibrium Theory. (considering that getting the blonde worths 10 and getting the brunettes worths 5)
In this scenario one of the rules is the brunettes would reject a player that had chosen the blonde first... so wouldn't it be implied that it works both ways and that once a player has chosen a brunette, the blonde would reject them if they then go for her? In that case none of the players have incentive to deviate from the brunettes.
One of the greatest scenes ever
one of my favorite movies ever
I get goosebumps whenever I watch this scene. A beautiful mind at work!
The director of the movie nailed it....its so difficult to portray n place before audience the story n how Nash equilibrium came into being... the Director as well as music director ..truely ..a beautiful mind..
Yep, can even order a book on it if you’re interested. It’s an interesting subject to read along with chaos theory for math majors.
thats not nash equilibrium though.
@@ricsouza5011 Right, in a Nash equilibrium, everyone is playing their best strategy related to everyone else's best strategy and thus no incentive to change their strategy, unlike in this movie example. In the movie, each guy still has an incentive to deviate.
The only problem is is that it isn't a Nash equilibrium.
I think his story of triumph over his schizophrenia is the most inspiring aspect of his achievements...........
If this is all true and he did really run up to the blond woman say thank you and run off again then this has got to be one of the most priceless moment's in academic history.
I love how they say 'If this is some way for you to get the blonde, you can go to hell.'
If they believed him, he would'dve actually went for the blonde after all. Sneaky man
I adore the ending of this scene. While the review of his work wouldn't be so brief (I'd think they'd take weeks or even months to scrutinize and peer review it), what a feeling that must be to have your work so acknowledged in the height of worldwide academia. Hell, he's far ABOVE those who reviewed it.
It's no wonder these guys are so often claimed arrogant and condescending. They could afford to be. Ah, I could only ever dream of being so intelligent...perhaps in my next life.
You'd almost certainly trade in valuable people's skills for that intelligence, and let's not forget a human life isn't all about doing what you're best at. Sometimes we just wanna chill and have fun, with other people.
BusaLova I believe I'd trade in nearly anything for that degree of intelligence.
Kale P That decision could lead to a level of loneliness to potentially create mental ilnesses (if it even were possible). My evidence is the amount of times geniuses have told us how much they wish they could be ordinary/mediocre, because the knowledge they acquire with their intelligence cannot be discarded anymore, especially not on purpose.
However I agree with you on your first statement, this scene is one of the most enjoyable in the entire movie.
The last scene was not true. In reality the professors were not really impressed with the work and almost 20 years later the Nash-Equilibrium got the attention!
@@trevorochmonek9024 This is because scientists dont really sit around a camp fire and sing, as the right wing groups would suggest all scientists are lefty's. In reality peer review can be a "battle royale" as if your going to agree to some young up start with a new paper trashing the last 40 years of your work!!!
I always dreamt of a similar breakthrough...I even joined as a janitor at the local patent office...as they say..progress begins with a single step 😬
Which country brother
After just writing my final exam on game theory it’s ironic this would pop up in my recommended. If it’s wasn’t for this man I might not needed to study hundreds of hours of this stuff. Crazy to think about
Lol, I am taking Game Theory right now and this popped up in my recommended. I was like wtheck? LOL
The greatest "shot" is when Nash lines his p.o.v. with the reflections, refractions, and shadows of a lemonade bowl (😉) and a hideous tie!
Absolutely Adored this Art!
Alternative title: Nerd creates complex rationalization for his fear to approach a woman
One of my all-time favorite movies.
Awesome movie...
I learned alot from it.
I ran into Adam Goldberg circa 1998 directly across the street from the Lee Strasberg theater and film institute on e15 st - he was in front of me getting coffe at a restaurant directly accross the street . He turned around and nervously sighted me in my construction workers clothes -and mumbled something as he moved pass me - he was great in Brighton Beach memoirs .
Thank you, professor Nash.
🤓
I was a neuroscience pre-med and supply chain minor in undergrad, and my maco-Econ class was still the hardest class I've ever had to take.
This is a beautiful depiction of schizophrenia.
Nah that’s called imagination.... granted he did have it. This is just imagination I think schizo is a lot weirder than that lol.
lol
lol
True.
@@michaelw234 While you are right it's weird, this is just a single scene of the whole film. There are a lot of weird things happening later on.
Best scene in entire movie...the rigor working throughout night ..till morning breaks ....geniously portrayed by the Director n the music Director
Nature is not without irony. Geniuses like these are less likely to get married or have children. But they live for eternity through their thoughts while rest of us live through our genes.
... or 'jeans' for that matter.
Lmao, John Nash had a wife and 2 kids. That's 2 more than you.
@@ritam8767 Hey observer , we got recommended the same video at the same time. Cheers !!!
@@nerdyguy7270 have we met before here? I'm sorry, can't seem to remember.
@@ritam8767 Na man we both got recommended the same video about the same time so was curious as to what you were watching just before this because we both landed up here. hahahahah
Good ole Nash always solving puzzles and cracking codes. What a G!
2:15 Me when I figure out basic supply and demand
Supply and demand; I came up with that! Turns out it already existed, but I arrived at it independently
You can thank this Man for your cable bills being so high, they don't compete so they don't get in each others way.
2:40 she hadn't realized that she just revolutionized the theory of economics
"you'd be surpsired to know how many MIT chicks are smokin' hot,"
Yes, I would be surprised by that.
James Horner's glorious music!
Hi.. & Thank You.. ☺I love this film. GREAT !! ❤💋
He should have an Oscar for this.
Looks like im gonna have to watch this masterpiece again.
This is what goes through my head when I am at a bar staring into the abyss
14yrs ago??? Good God, RUclips was in its infancy
I have 3 exams I have to cram for, all involve math. Now I'm gonna wind down by watching a clip about even more math
One of the main milestones within the leading path of the Theory of games: firstly-Cournot and his approaches on duopoly; secondly- Von Neumann, who settled down the framework for the analysis ( its fundamentals) thirdly - John Nass, whose insights gave proper form to the likelihood of one perfect equilibrium where after one "contract" the solution chosen would be the worst one, and then a bunch of names from which Joseph Stiglitz could be highlited for widening the framework to insurances and oportunistic behavior. Finally, the theory of games become one of the main tools of an spectrum of models and theories systemized whose name is the Theory of information.
How did he not win an Oscar for this??
Nash is a genius!
Seems to be a cool man!
That was probably the best scene in the movie.
I put this scene on replay on my DVD player. 📀😊❤️
And then the blonde is so pissed and curious at being ignored by Nash that she inquires about him and pursues him.
Mhm. And he gets the BJ of his life. 😅
🤣🤣🤣
With a deathly smirk on her face like she knew
The blonde was intending to show him her breakthrough in unified field theory too. Oh well...
If only Nash had listened.. Damn!!
There are millions of blonds. Only one Nash
Almost forgot to watch this scene this week
The best film and the best scene ever!
Well, mister Nash, with a breakthrough of this magnitude I am sure you will get any placement you want.
This is actually Divine. Reality works that way since the many are really the One.
Who else has Good Will Hunting "My Boy's Wicked Smart" scene on their next to play?
they could've all went after her and enjoyed her at the same time LOL, and then it comes down to who goes last and you face the law of diminishing returns.
We need more geniuses like Adam Smith, Adam Carolla, Joe Rogen and John Nash .
And me
My man. I'm still a legend at math conferences.
puuure genius...love dis film...its a bit sad when he gets sick but it really makes you think hard about everything
Favorite scene, ..wish they’d start teaching this in combinatorics class 🤓
people here discussing nash equilibrium, and I am like look at Crowe's phenomenal acting. He so deserved an Oscar for this!!
Agreed completely. One of the best performances I have ever seen.
OK guys, this is not a Nash equilibrium. The first thing my game theory professor made clear to us last semester was that the movie got it wrong. There are different types of equilibria, but we'll just stick to the 'pure strategies Nash equilibrium' in a normal-form game (a game where everyone chooses their strategy simultaneously). First, a 'strategy profile' is a possible combination of the strategies chosen by each of the players (for example, all of them going for the blonde or each one going for a different brunette- although those are not the only ones in this game). When you've got a strategy profile and want to figure out if it is a pure strategies Nash equilibrium, you take the perspective of each player in the game (each guy in this scene would be a player, although they are clearly not *players*). And, in simple words, you see if that player would be better off changing their strategy if everyone else stuck with what the profile says they'll do. If you do that for all of the players, and no one would be better off changing their strategy while the others remain unchanged, then it is a pure strategies Nash equilibrium in a normal-form game. However, if you did that here, John Nash would clearly be better off by going after the blonde when the others go for her friends. He finds her far more attractive than any of her friends, she's clearly expressed interest so he's got a similar chance with her as he does with her friends, and no one else would be pursuing her. So he would get more utility from pursuing her one-on-one than doing the same thing with one of her friends.
If you doubt this, you can read John Nash's original paper. It expresses this, amongst other things, albeit in a way that isn't very easy to understand.
threenumbnuts The job of your professors is to say they're smarter than movies. Eventually, your job will be to say you're smarter than you're professors.
Ferrohazard Their job is to teach us about game theory. I'll trust people who devoted their lives to that field over a Hollywood biopic.
threenumbnuts I agree with what you are saying that factoring in the position between Nash/blonde gives him a higher chance of succeeding. But isn't the underlying message being explained by the movie assuming that there is no added advantage for any one player?
Thats the way I understood it, because it is not necessarily them trying to get laid, but Nash's character explaining the concept of everyone trying to get laid. And from that point of view he assumes everyone has an equal opportunity, in which that if everyone assumes everyone else is going to attempt to go for the blonde, they can improve their position by going for a brunette, therefore everyones best move is to go for a brunette.
Dark Tenka Yes, if everyone thinks that the others will go for the blonde and best respond according to that assumption, they all go for brunettes. But that does not make it a Nash equilibrium- if everyone thought that the others would go for the brunettes, then they choose to go for the blonde (I think this is a fairly reasonable assumption, that they'd take a one-on-one chance with the blonde instead of a one-on-one chance with the brunette). The thing with pure-strategy Nash equilibriums is that, in a manner of speaking, you "make" a player assume that the others will definitely follow a certain course of action, and then ask them what response would maximize their own "gain", or utility. IRL you would be uncertain about the other players and would use a different line of thought to decide what to do.
If I were to correct this scene, I would have the guys all walk up to the brunettes, only to have Nash change direction at the last possible second and go for the blonde. The next day, they rag on him for conning them, and he says "I knew you were all going to hit on her friends and not get in my way, so why wouldn't I hit on her?" Then again, the whole situation isn't very good for demonstrating the concept of a Nash eq.
threenumbnuts Ok I think I understand now.
I’m not studying economics but my pharmacotherapy professor recommended our class to watch this movie when studied schizo in pharmacy school…loved it and the Awakening too 🤓
takes a real genius to figure that one out
The first MGTOW. 😉
I don't know if this is intentional, I'm confident it is, but I love the fact that the bar music that plays in the background ends just as Nash finishes his point. 2:12
It's a Dazed and Confused reunion.
I took a Game Theory course at Harvard for my masters. Studied some of Professor Nash’s work and I barely understood it. The man was an absolute genius.
I played that game for moral, I lost having empathy for someone that isn’t me.
Nash then became the greatest pickup artist the world has ever seen
It does illustrate though that adam Smith was wrong. That the maximum group utility is not achieved by each person acting in their best said interests..., that only gets you to the Nash equilibrium.
Jhon Nash : Behind every successful event(Nobel prize), there is a lady behind.
Yes, this is about economics! The Nash equilibrium applies for multiplayer games (compeitions, businesses, etc). All of which are muiltiplayer !
The most beautiful thing to have come out of Princeton - game theory (Morgenstern and von Neumann) followed by Nash Equilibrium.
I've studied economics, and I've got to say it takes very complex thinking to be able to see a scenario that simply. If I'd been sitting next to him, I would have said that even if they all agreed to avoid the blonde, there would then be the issue of all the men going after the SECOND most attractive girl, so the scenario repeats. Yet Nash looked at all the other ways that this system was complex and STILL REASONED that you could simplify the scenario if you JUST considered the most desirable option and avoided the option that all the other players (guys) would take. I would have looked at this scenario and thought that it was far to complex to predict outcomes, yet Nash saw RIGHT THROUGH IT. Amazing!
Putting a maths problem on screen for all moviegoers to understand deserves an applause to the Director.
Nash just happened to be the first to scientifically explain and systematize those principles.
Anytime 👍 John BEAUTIFUL Nash
Reminds me of something cool I did the other day.
In her eyes
That movie was great!