@@WeToddEd-r3g Correct, no such crime exists called "accidental death," but "involuntary manslaughter" does exists, which is defined as the unintentional killing of another person. So yes, you can be punished for accidentally killing someone, but we call it involuntary manslaughter.
@ericward284 it actually can if negligence was involved. Baldwin could have checked to see if the gun was loaded when it was handed to him. As far as I know, that's gun safety 101.
@shawnbradford2243 What was negligent about it?? It's not a crime to not check to see if a gun is loaded. And we can sit here all day saying "he should've checked," but that's irrelevant. He pays someone to check that for him on the movie set. Only "negligence" involved was on the part of whoever loaded the gun. I've also heard conflicting stories on why he was pointing it in that direction. Some say he was just practicing like a scene or something, that would just make it accidental
Prop gun? I heard they were using this gun for target practice on set by stagehands then was supposed to load it with blanks, that's not a "prop" gun. Who's responsible for checking for the blanks? Who's responsible for not pointing a gun at someone's head before pulling the trigger? Is the court supposed to believe anything a defendant says when he says he didn't pull the trigger of a gun that blows the head off the person he is pointing it at?...The family of this poor lady deserves honest answers...
He probably drew the gun with his finger on the trigger. The armorer admitted that Alec hadnt practiced drawing from under arm like in the scene in question. You should draw a gun hundreds of times from concealment slowly before thinking about doing as fast as he could and well before putting a live round in the weapon. I bet the idiot armorer didnt check the gun after people had been firing it that weekend, or a disgruntled set crew (who walked off set that morning) planted a live round somewhere and it made it into the gun.
The producers, including Baldwin, chose to employ an inexperienced armourer and an AD with a somewhat sketchy reputation. There is a lot else that was wrong on this set and they did NOT correct many issues including red flag incidents with the ammunition. I know no one who would conduct any production in the lax and irresponsible way they did. It is almost unheard of that crew leave a production, but having voiced their concerns multiple times, several crew members felt obliged to leave the production over safety issues including the handling of guns and ammunition.
One thing I've heard about gun safety is that whenever you're handed a weapon is to check if it's loaded no matter who hands it to you and what they say. Idk if it is enough to convict, but that negligence led to a death.
Involuntary manslaughter is actually causing someone's death accidentally. Baldwin hiring an inexperienced armorer and giving her to many other responsibilities to distract her was definitely a direct cause for her distraction. Baldwin lied about pulling the trigger and didn't check all the blanks. Another shortcut! Baldwin pulled that trigger regardless and is the definition of unvoluntary manslaughter. He's guilty.
Rust is the poster child for irresponsible production, breaking many elements of production protocol. As one of the producers, he was irresponsible. Otherwise don't take a producer credit, it always comes at a price which is responsibility for the welfare of the entire unit.
It's very easy to accidentally put your finger on the trigger when drawing from under arm concealment. He should have practiced that draw slowly under supervision before trying to do it as fast as they asked him to. They cut corners in every aspect of this movie.
Baldwin argues that the armorer should be solely responsible, but as co-producer he is responsible for the hiring and competency of his staff. So, if he argues that the armorer was too inexperienced, it begs the question as to why the armorer was hired.
Look Alec is the boss on that TV set and that gun was in his hand when it went off and guess what he would be saying if it was his family member he would be trying to put that person in the same position in prison bet that
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For prop guns, they should only use replica guns that can only shoots blanks. No live ammo should have been around in the set. Out of respect, the movie should be trashed.
These days many production don't even use blanks, they add the effects in post which makes it even safer. That practice takes place on many of the best crime series where there is constant gunfire.
@@rasputinspickledpeepee1976 There is absolutely no reason to have live ammunition on a set, most crime TV series of any quality do it all in post these days and they often have multiple gun shots in every episode. I hope IATSE, SAG AND PGA go after this big time, it's a disgrace. When it first happened, I know a lot of film people who past and present, who had a form of PTSD because they've all been party to unsafe situations on set, but this one......
So apparently the crew/staff whatev went out the night before and were shooting at bottles and cans with live round with these guns. Then Alec decides to be funny and say he will shoot the cinematographer and points the gun and pulls the trigger, and it still happened to be loaded with live rounds. Fails all around. Be he is still in charge, and thus dually responsible
Bad tittle,and pathetic defence of Baldwin. Firstly, a mistake can still be a crime,should of been tittled "intentional or unintentional?" Secondly, there are very strict rules on movie sets on the use of weapons,and Baldwin is responsible at least 3 counts,as he is the Producer, Director and actor who handled the gun,look up the rules which were clearly ignored and let's not forget the original staff were sacked by Baldwin because they raised safety concerns which were ignored. Don't know who the clown on the left is,but this subject is clearly not something he is knowledgeable of and couldn't of been more misleading to the audience.
Gun safety rule #1, treat every gun as if it is loaded. Gun rule #2, a gun is only unloaded if you verify it is unloaded yourself. Fact of life, you alone are responsible for your actions and ending someone's life, even by accident, is a crime called involuntary manslaughter and he should be held accountable for his actions. Ordinary individuals, not famous, would be convicted and imprisoned 99% of the time in a situation like this.
First rule of gun safety, treat every gun as if it is loaded, if you are handed a gun no matter what the person says to you, you check yourself if it is loaded, because you are responsible for it.
For real. The cinematographer is dead for longer than 18 months. And what’s crazy is Alec had beef with her before he killed her with that gun he was holding
The day’s testimony was expected to focus largely on the collection of evidence and the revolver Baldwin used. Seated in two rows of eight each, jurors and alternate jurors scrawled notes as they listened to testimony. Jurors have their own close-up view of visual exhibits, with six monitors installed in the jury box. Poppell’s questioning by the prosecution a day earlier allowed them to see in person the revolver and the spent round that killed Hutchins. Spiro emphasized in his opening statement that Baldwin on the “Rust” set did what actors always do. The first witness to take the stand was Nicholas LeFleur, the first law enforcement officer to arrive at the movie set at Bonanza Creek Ranch after the shooting, and his lapel camera video gave jurors a glimpse of the chaotic scene: a grim view of an apparently unconscious Hutchins as LeFleur and others worked to revive her. Later in the video, LeFleur can be seen telling Baldwin not to speak to the other potential witnesses, but Baldwin repeatedly does.
Many actors, responsible, professional ones, will check the barrel themselves whoever has already checked it. They had had safety issues around guns and ammunition already including one accident.
And that is how Brandon Lee got killed on set for The Crow. Somebody "accidentally" replaced a prop gun with a real loaded gun. How exactly is that even possible?
If you're a gun owner and you say you would treat a prop weapon differently then you shouldn't own a gun because YOU aren't a responsible person. On a side note, if you can't hold a producer responsible for the safety on the set, why would you hold a gun manufacturer or an auto manufacturer responsible for deaths? This sets a bad precedent...
I saw a movie with Baldwin in 1980....I could see he was not a good person then I'm 64. Never watched another movie with him and I never will. I'm so glad that I never saw Alec Baldwin again....!!!!!
Alec wasn't well versed in quickly drawing a SAO revolver from under arm carry and cocking the hammer. Through severe negligence a live round made it into that gun. He likely drew the gun with his finger on the trigger and cocked the hammer causing it to fire when the hammer was released. That makes him criminally negligent for not controlling the direction his gun was pointing. My question is why did half the crew walk off the set that morning? Did some disgruntled crew member put a live round in the box of dummies for revenge?
Prosecutors sought to cast Alec Baldwin as someone who flouts rules and has little regard for safety at the first day of his New Mexico trial in the shooting of a cinematographer.
so if you brought your car to a shop to have the brakes fixed and after you pick it up you drive down the street and at a busy intersection you see the light is red and you step on the brakes but there are none and you run some one down killing them is it your fault? the answer is yes, you can blame the shop but in the end you got in the car and drove it and will be convicted for vehicular homicide.
The last hands to touch the gun was Baldwin. He could have checked again before pointing the gun at the camera (a common/necessary step for people with experience in handling guns) ... With that said he didn't just point the gun at the camera, but the people behind the camera. You never point any gun at a person or something you don't want to destroy (number one rule with guns). I'm not sure at what angle Baldwin is Innocent here... Both the Armorer and Baldwin are criminally liable for the accident.
The irony of one of the biggest anti-gun people on trial for reckless homicide with a gun.
And he plays the Grandfather of a grandson who is convicted of MANSLAUGHTER... !!! That's crazy..
Rule #1 in gun safety: Treat and act like every gun as loaded, NO MATTER WHAT.
The gun was supposed to be loaded, it was a scene for a movie. The scene called for the trigger to be pulled.
@@alansteel But Balwin said he didn't pull the trigger.
@@ArmandoEsparza-hk3jz Irrelevant, since it was eventually going to be pointed at someone and the trigger pulled.
ANYONE else in his place would already be locked up.
Mistakes can still be crimes. They are not mutually exclusive.
But accidental death isn't a punishable crime
@@WeToddEd-r3g Correct, no such crime exists called "accidental death," but "involuntary manslaughter" does exists, which is defined as the unintentional killing of another person. So yes, you can be punished for accidentally killing someone, but we call it involuntary manslaughter.
@ericward284 it actually can if negligence was involved. Baldwin could have checked to see if the gun was loaded when it was handed to him. As far as I know, that's gun safety 101.
@@WeToddEd-r3git was negligent, which is a crime
@shawnbradford2243 What was negligent about it?? It's not a crime to not check to see if a gun is loaded. And we can sit here all day saying "he should've checked," but that's irrelevant. He pays someone to check that for him on the movie set. Only "negligence" involved was on the part of whoever loaded the gun. I've also heard conflicting stories on why he was pointing it in that direction. Some say he was just practicing like a scene or something, that would just make it accidental
No... he was the Producer. He was the Director. He was the one holding the gun that shot the girl he killed.
When the "prop" gun" is a real firearm then you need to treat it like a firearm......
Prop gun? I heard they were using this gun for target practice on set by stagehands then was supposed to load it with blanks, that's not a "prop" gun. Who's responsible for checking for the blanks? Who's responsible for not pointing a gun at someone's head before pulling the trigger? Is the court supposed to believe anything a defendant says when he says he didn't pull the trigger of a gun that blows the head off the person he is pointing it at?...The family of this poor lady deserves honest answers...
Real things used on set are still considered props lol
He probably drew the gun with his finger on the trigger. The armorer admitted that Alec hadnt practiced drawing from under arm like in the scene in question. You should draw a gun hundreds of times from concealment slowly before thinking about doing as fast as he could and well before putting a live round in the weapon. I bet the idiot armorer didnt check the gun after people had been firing it that weekend, or a disgruntled set crew (who walked off set that morning) planted a live round somewhere and it made it into the gun.
So ignorance is an excuse if you are Alec Baldwin?
He wasn’t ignorant he chose to bypass safety protocols
@shawnbradford2243 So ignorance is his excuse? People who ignore safety protocols that are in place for good reason are ignorant.
@@nottobebelieved8608 no ignorance is not knowing, negligence is knowing and ignoring them….
@@shawnbradford2243 It's ignorant to know and then ignore what you know to be true. Only ignorant individuals do that.
@@nottobebelieved8608 words have meanings….he wasn’t ignorant he knew the protocols. He chose to not follow them. Please look up ignorance definition
I hope nobody and I mean NOBODY, should show up to see the movie.
I can not wait to see this movie.
it will be like watching a train wreck, i suspect if its in theaters it will be number one
The producers, including Baldwin, chose to employ an inexperienced armourer and an AD with a somewhat sketchy reputation. There is a lot else that was wrong on this set and they did NOT correct many issues including red flag incidents with the ammunition. I know no one who would conduct any production in the lax and irresponsible way they did. It is almost unheard of that crew leave a production, but having voiced their concerns multiple times, several crew members felt obliged to leave the production over safety issues including the handling of guns and ammunition.
One thing I've heard about gun safety is that whenever you're handed a weapon is to check if it's loaded no matter who hands it to you and what they say. Idk if it is enough to convict, but that negligence led to a death.
Guilty.
If it were any normal person they would be liable period!
Involuntary manslaughter is actually causing someone's death accidentally. Baldwin hiring an inexperienced armorer and giving her to many other responsibilities to distract her was definitely a direct cause for her distraction. Baldwin lied about pulling the trigger and didn't check all the blanks. Another shortcut! Baldwin pulled that trigger regardless and is the definition of unvoluntary manslaughter. He's guilty.
Rust is the poster child for irresponsible production, breaking many elements of production protocol. As one of the producers, he was irresponsible. Otherwise don't take a producer credit, it always comes at a price which is responsibility for the welfare of the entire unit.
It's very easy to accidentally put your finger on the trigger when drawing from under arm concealment. He should have practiced that draw slowly under supervision before trying to do it as fast as they asked him to. They cut corners in every aspect of this movie.
How do you "check the blanks?"
Michael Starr Hopkins is great. I really appreciate his thoughtful analysis and objective commentary. It's so much better than with Bri.
A real gun used as a prop is NOT a prop gun
Baldwin argues that the armorer should be solely responsible, but as co-producer he is responsible for the hiring and competency of his staff. So, if he argues that the armorer was too inexperienced, it begs the question as to why the armorer was hired.
Look Alec is the boss on that TV set and that gun was in his hand when it went off and guess what he would be saying if it was his family member he would be trying to put that person in the same position in prison bet that
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For prop guns, they should only use replica guns that can only shoots blanks. No live ammo should have been around in the set. Out of respect, the movie should be trashed.
These days many production don't even use blanks, they add the effects in post which makes it even safer. That practice takes place on many of the best crime series where there is constant gunfire.
That's not a thing that exists, but sure.
@@rasputinspickledpeepee1976 There is absolutely no reason to have live ammunition on a set, most crime TV series of any quality do it all in post these days and they often have multiple gun shots in every episode. I hope IATSE, SAG AND PGA go after this big time, it's a disgrace. When it first happened, I know a lot of film people who past and present, who had a form of PTSD because they've all been party to unsafe situations on set, but this one......
So apparently the crew/staff whatev went out the night before and were shooting at bottles and cans with live round with these guns. Then Alec decides to be funny and say he will shoot the cinematographer and points the gun and pulls the trigger, and it still happened to be loaded with live rounds. Fails all around. Be he is still in charge, and thus dually responsible
Bad tittle,and pathetic defence of Baldwin.
Firstly, a mistake can still be a crime,should of been tittled "intentional or unintentional?"
Secondly, there are very strict rules on movie sets on the use of weapons,and Baldwin is responsible at least 3 counts,as he is the Producer, Director and actor who handled the gun,look up the rules which were clearly ignored and let's not forget the original staff were sacked by Baldwin because they raised safety concerns which were ignored.
Don't know who the clown on the left is,but this subject is clearly not something he is knowledgeable of and couldn't of been more misleading to the audience.
Gun safety rule #1, treat every gun as if it is loaded. Gun rule #2, a gun is only unloaded if you verify it is unloaded yourself. Fact of life, you alone are responsible for your actions and ending someone's life, even by accident, is a crime called involuntary manslaughter and he should be held accountable for his actions. Ordinary individuals, not famous, would be convicted and imprisoned 99% of the time in a situation like this.
Negligence is a crime.
First rule of gun safety, treat every gun as if it is loaded, if you are handed a gun no matter what the person says to you, you check yourself if it is loaded, because you are responsible for it.
“They got their pound of flesh”…. Smh. 🤦🏽
For real. The cinematographer is dead for longer than 18 months. And what’s crazy is Alec had beef with her before he killed her with that gun he was holding
The day’s testimony was expected to focus largely on the collection of evidence and the revolver Baldwin used.
Seated in two rows of eight each, jurors and alternate jurors scrawled notes as they listened to testimony. Jurors have their own close-up view of visual exhibits, with six monitors installed in the jury box.
Poppell’s questioning by the prosecution a day earlier allowed them to see in person the revolver and the spent round that killed Hutchins.
Spiro emphasized in his opening statement that Baldwin on the “Rust” set did what actors always do.
The first witness to take the stand was Nicholas LeFleur, the first law enforcement officer to arrive at the movie set at Bonanza Creek Ranch after the shooting, and his lapel camera video gave jurors a glimpse of the chaotic scene: a grim view of an apparently unconscious Hutchins as LeFleur and others worked to revive her.
Later in the video, LeFleur can be seen telling Baldwin not to speak to the other potential witnesses, but Baldwin repeatedly does.
Many actors, responsible, professional ones, will check the barrel themselves whoever has already checked it. They had had safety issues around guns and ammunition already including one accident.
And that is how Brandon Lee got killed on set for The Crow. Somebody "accidentally" replaced a prop gun with a real loaded gun. How exactly is that even possible?
Incompetence/Ignorance isn't a criminal defense.
If you're a gun owner and you say you would treat a prop weapon differently then you shouldn't own a gun because YOU aren't a responsible person.
On a side note, if you can't hold a producer responsible for the safety on the set, why would you hold a gun manufacturer or an auto manufacturer responsible for deaths? This sets a bad precedent...
thank you robby and michael...
I saw a movie with Baldwin in 1980....I could see he was not a good person then I'm 64. Never watched another movie with him and I never will. I'm so glad that I never saw Alec Baldwin again....!!!!!
Alec wasn't well versed in quickly drawing a SAO revolver from under arm carry and cocking the hammer. Through severe negligence a live round made it into that gun. He likely drew the gun with his finger on the trigger and cocked the hammer causing it to fire when the hammer was released. That makes him criminally negligent for not controlling the direction his gun was pointing. My question is why did half the crew walk off the set that morning? Did some disgruntled crew member put a live round in the box of dummies for revenge?
Anyone else that did this it wouldn't even be a question, right to jail. I hope he gets 10 years.
What do you know. No jail at all. Who didn't see that coming....
Prosecutors sought to cast Alec Baldwin as someone who flouts rules and has little regard for safety at the first day of his New Mexico trial in the shooting of a cinematographer.
because it's true. I have never met any member of a production team who would ignore all the standard procedures that they did. It's extraordinary.
Baldwin is in another movie where a girl shoots someone and baldwin as the actor tells the girl i know all about guns i make this all go away .
He’s doing a reality show with his family on TLC
so if you brought your car to a shop to have the brakes fixed and after you pick it up you drive down the street and at a busy intersection you see the light is red and you step on the brakes but there are none and you run some one down killing them is it your fault? the answer is yes, you can blame the shop but in the end you got in the car and drove it and will be convicted for vehicular homicide.
Alec Baldwin was going to be cast as John Wick but he got the flu so they went with Keanu.
He should absolutely be convicted but probably not go to jail
MR COHOST: THE CROW IS A GREAT FILM, MODERN CLASSIC, EVEN AWARD-WINNING, AND MOST PEOPLE WATCH IT NOT KNOWING ABOUT BRANDON LEE'S DEATH ON SET
Lock him up
LADY AT THE BEGONNING : PLAYING MAKE-BELIEVE AT THE WORPLACE IS BALDWON'S ACTUAL JOB, JEEZ !
Baldwin was best Trump lampooner on SNL. He will be saved by the democrat mafia
It’s a mistake the resulted in a crime, so both.
Alec Baldwin was the best Trump ever
What does that family get nothing
Funny how you mention "island somewhere"....
Crime, he did not follow procedure!
Any ordinary person would be rooted.
Crime.
Shouldn’t punish someone for something someone had not checked properly.
The last hands to touch the gun was Baldwin. He could have checked again before pointing the gun at the camera (a common/necessary step for people with experience in handling guns) ... With that said he didn't just point the gun at the camera, but the people behind the camera. You never point any gun at a person or something you don't want to destroy (number one rule with guns). I'm not sure at what angle Baldwin is Innocent here... Both the Armorer and Baldwin are criminally liable for the accident.
Furthermore, the fact this case isn't treated as black and white case just points to the privilege/immunity those with higher status enjoy.
@@thomasmayer8694 we’ve already discussed these things. Johnny Dep and Danny Trejo. Change his name to Ioub and work better about that case.
@@thomasmayer8694 you got any OJ to go with that juice?
Killer
Don't go anywhere with an angry man👾🍑
This is a criminal trial, not a torts case. Acquittal would be just, followed up by suing his production company into bankruptcy.