Juggz the Podcast Episode 2: Conventions and the Future of Painted Minis
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
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Oh dear.
Wow. Just... Wow.
👏
I support Juggz !
We might have to nip these comments in the bud
Puntastic!
Just want to thank rob and peach for making me feel safe as a man in the hobby 💖
To be honest you did actually manage to sell a goblin to someone who went to buy 1/300th scale ships. That person was me. I fell in love with pirate goblin and walked away with one... I have no regrets . Oh and Louise you were super nice and you are good at small talk thank you for signing my goblin.
Awww this is the best comment 🥹 thank you so much!!
Nice one! 👍
Brilliant!
Juggheadz rise up!!!
WHERE ARE WE GOING?
@@JuggzthePodcast WE DON'T KNOW BUT ITS FUN
Thanks for the shout out!! Unfortunately you did however breach the NDA I made you sign in a dream last night for my new Contrast Bear™ Infinite Reactivation (it reactivates when frowned at) Speed Paint line. Myself and the bears will see you in court. Thanks for being a fan! 🌈🖤🐻
Love you
The Bukkake-Vader bit was the laughing fit I really needed - thanks guys :')
Louise with the casual: "thanks for coming to Juggz" in the beginning was gold.
Last episode and this episode and any episode and any content featuring Rob is always the precise amount of Rob and I won’t have a debate on this.
Awhh that's like the best. Thanks babe x
I LOVE JUGGZ
It's going to be even better when you have guests "Thank you for coming on Juggz"
Whatever people think about pre-coloured printed minis, I guarantee that pre-coloured printed _terrain_ would absolutely sell - people really seem to hate doing terrain.
Or at least they stare at me like I'm mad when I say that it's my favourite part of the hobby! (I am basically making houses for my little war dollies at this point!)
Pre painted mdf terrain is quite popular and looks quite good, 3D printed one would probably be even better.
you are not alone mate, I love building and painting terrain
Archon had a kickstarter for something close to this, artist paintjobs preprinted on sprue for terrain. Was very exciting to see, awesome to know this is in the future for 3d printed stuff also...
Prepainted minis for X-wing is what got me back into the hobby and now I’m entering miniature painting competitions!
I’d love the option to buy a painted army for playing games with so that I can spend ages painting display pieces instead of 1000 orcs
"Juggz out" would definitely get the clicks
I feel like there is a big difference between pre-painted minis and generative AI tools. For me, the important distinction is in how the tool is created more than in what the end user gets out of them. For something like pre-painted minis, art prints, or stock images, an artist is creating the master that then gets duplicated as much as needed. For generative AI, a company is processing a huge collection of work, generally without compensating or even notifying artists, and then using a probability model derived from all of those works to generate images that cannot be traced back to the human artists. So, at least to me, pre-painted minis are fine, but generative AI feels like an unethical way for tech companies to extract money without compensating or even crediting the artists their models are built off of.
Came here to say this. Maybe if a generative AI was developed from one person's work and they had control over it and we're able to monetize it as they saw fit, I might feel differently. But as it stands, the software is created unethically and so what it creates is by extension unethical in my view.
when i was younger, i found the idea of pre-painted minis utterly repellant but i've since come to embrace the notion because there are a great many folks who have fine motor issues and other disabilities that make painting impossible who want to play tabletop games so, while my own interest is still mostly painting and modelling, i would be perfectly happy to play with folks that used pre-painted minis.
I play with precolored paper and flat plastic minis these days - Paperboys and Wofun. Remarkably good stuff. The paper still needs cutting and assembly, but the plastic just requires popping them out of the sprue and snapping them into the base. Done, and it's not even obvious they're flat until you look closely.
"Put the feelings in a box" - "That's healthy" brilliant.
Hahaha
I can't remember the last time I laughed so hard that I had the hiccups as when you three went all-in on the bukkake-Vader bit.
This might be my new favourite hobby-news podcast.
Gracias!
This is the Hooters of Warhammer. Solid gold.
Yaay! I love that you loved my Moonstone table, totally worth the effort;) and 3D sculpting and painting is definitely a craft! The Torbridge Cull stuff we had printed for the table are some of the best sculpting I've ever seen on terrain. I love hand crafting and building terrain with foam, balsa etc, but 3D printing allows people to share great sculpts across the world. Still need to pick up a rascaltown goblin so i can build him a house.. (also apologies to Rob for rambling at him Friday, I was somewhat mashed!)
Amazing table pal. I think everyone I know bought moonstone pirates after seeing it.
I’ve just finished listening to episode two, and it really struck a chord with me at the end.
Way back in the mists of time, the year 2000, I was studying A-Level art. About six to eight months into the course the building housing the art department was gutted by fire in an arson attack.
I lost all of my artwork, including a watercolour of an iridescent beetle and an oil pastel study of a Modigliani portrait that I was particularly proud of.
After this our art teacher spent, what felt like months, having us do “mark making exercises”. Which amounted to a few painted brushstrokes, or charcoal smears on a large sheet of paper, before discarding it.
This drove me mad with frustration and I spent lunchtimes and time after-school “finishing” these pieces.
That’s when I realised that because of the way my brain is wired up, I don’t enjoy the process of creating something, I only feel any kind of reward at having completed it.
At the time this applied to painting fine-art, but now it equally applies to model painting. I don’t enjoy painting my models, but I feel enormous satisfaction at finishing painting a model, sharing pictures of it online and displaying it in my cabinet.
It’s the collecting that I think appeals to me the most, I’d like to be able to play games with my models too, but circumstances don’t really allow that.
That said, I think I’d still feel some kind of stigma buying pre-painted models when I’ve been indoctrinated for nearly thirty years into thinking that painting IS the hobby, and playing the games is the leisure activity, and collecting for collecting’s sake or for display is a by-product.
Anyway, it made me think. Cheers for the entertaining and insightful podcast. I’ll look forward to plenty more.
The Bukkake Vader bit had me howling. Absolutely incredible.
Man I think this might be the first video I’ve gotten a notification and seen it within a minute of going live. Let’s go
It's amazing how there's a bit of adult conversation between the giggles and juvenile humor too. Nice fit, Juggz.
How, in its second episode, is this already the best wargaming podcast on RUclips? Y'all are great
love seeing a shoutout for you Stu :)
@@WildfireGamesCannock that's cos Peach is a legend :D
Juggz Live at Peach Con would make a hell of a poster.
The world is full of medicore professionals masquerading as experts but the ones that truly master the craft, which seems to be these 3 talented individuals, can turn people's opinions on what the seemingly 'easy mode' hobbies are capable of with skilled hands.
Kudos to all of you, I follow Louise and Rob, but now I can add Peachy, and I feel cheated I didn't sooner.
Rob's reaction to the kiddos loving the Racal Town models just made my day. Ya'll are the best.
This one is for Louise. Many years ago I was at a trade show and there was a huge robot arm that would reach down into a box pluck a stress cube then extend and flick the cube *over* the aisle and land perfectly in a children's basketball net where a person would take the cube out and hand it to a passerby. I still have mine. Will share a pic to the discord.
Amazing to hear that the Art In Miniature documentary might get a wider showing. Wish a gallery up here in Scotland would give the idea a whirl 😊
Should be online one day
Every bit of content I watch about Peachy I'm learning more and more. Loves Slaanesh, leather, playing dressup, bukakke. XD
Hahaha……I’m gonna end up getting a reputation 👀
Thanks for the laughs guys.
Just found out about this podcast, watch you all individually, going to be watching all the videos!
I love the idea of pre-painted 3D printed models, anything to lower the barrier to entry into the hobby for people, would I ever get those, probably not because I enjoy the building and the painting, I want my army to be what I have made, but some people don't like that side and just want to play, and if that gets more people to play then I'd be all for it, more people playing means more fun for everyone. Elitists will have an issue with it but they can bore off!
Also the idea of being able to print off GW bits in store would be awesome, I think they would make bank doing that.
This is the best episode of any podcast I've ever listened too. The debate about printed painted miniatures is brilliant and really interesting. I'm all for it. It has the potential to just open up the hobby to even more people.
I loved your VR pained mini, Louise! That was such a fun video.
I'm honoured to be mentioned on the same show as Bukkake Vader 🥲
Ur welcome brother 🤜🤛
Looking forward to PeachCon
Great to watch you guys talking! I really appreciate seeing your friendship.
Watch the first one, now I get to watch the second, this is a magnificent pair of Juggs! Glad you got them out!
Ooooh on the subject of pre-painted stuff, check out the precoloured terrain Archon did on their last kickstarter, it's crazy stuff!
Bukkake Vader gave me a much-needed laugh after a very Mondayish Monday 😂 But also, the discussion about pre-painted minis is interesting. It reminds me of the argument over whether Souls games should have an easy mode; ultimately, having the option to play on easy wouldn't take anything away from people who want to play it on full difficulty. Similar principle in my mind.
Anyway... JUGGZ!
Really enjoying this show! Keep em coming!
Bukkake Vader had me in tears from laughing so much.
it was absolute pleasure to meet you all and thank you for the Selfies and for Rascal Town and for letting me shout across the hall at Louise to ensure she met Mira Manga as well .
Imagine being able to get a printed version of someone’s paint job of something, and hopefully getting a commission to them, and then being able to have it there next to you as a reference! That would be super cool. Really find the idea for print painted minis fascinating, it’s some interesting stuff to explore.
I was just manning my library's stall and craft/game room at a local con and it helps me understand a bit what it was like at Salute for you. I was making buttons, helping people set up library cards, trying to make paper wargame miniatures with kids. I'd never been quite that busy before, and I learned a lot about how I'll do it next time.
Bukkake on Juggz. This is what I tune in for.
unironically would LOVE to hear you talk about the ways we could modernise the wargaming industry
Honestly you three are so wholesome and cool.
I wrote the wholesome part before I'd gotten to the Bukkake Vader Chamber™
I never new this podcast/channel existed until a friend told me last night... RUclips algorithm is terrible. So glad that I've found this
Glad you enjoy it!
From memory of my time as a trader Salute was over £230 for 6ft of space, but worth it when you consider the attendance.
We need to get the word out that this podcast is a thing. Honestly, the only reason I found it is because Peachy himself told me in a comment on one of his videos. Madness. This is the biggest must-watch thing in Wargaming right now.
Seeing you three come together on a podcast is a little piece of hobby heaven. You are all awesome. Please keep doing what you're doing.
My vote goes to ‘Juggz: Peaches gone Rogue’
I can't WAIT for them to have a guest on the show and one of them says "Thanks for coming on Juggz!"
The maturity level on this podcast is just top tier. Feels like hanging with the guys
Just Us GGuyZ !
“Jugz gone wild” 😂
the wildest
@@JuggzthePodcast it has to be done.
Release the Juggz!!!
@JuggzthePodcast
I love what you guys are doing! This may be the most listenable podcast I have ever heard.
By way of a thank you for the joy you have given me, I have crafted a tagline for your podcast, and I humbly submit it for your consideration:
JUGGZ -
"Loveable boobs, hanging out"
I give this to you and it is now yours to do with as you wish. 😊
Juggz and Bukkake, my favourite!
1:21:09 LOVE the "what is your goal/focus" question! I'm realizing what I want to do is realize a concept in a model thru conversion and sculpting. Once that's done, I'm happy. I only feel like I need to paint because some folks can't see an unpainted model as complete. Thank god for Slapchop for getting me over the painting hump!
Imagine installing a ramp at the cinema so people in wheelchairs can watch a film and how angry that makes people with functioning legs feel because you've taken away their stairs!!! Emerging technologies that make something more accessible to wider society is a good thing. Prainted minis would be a great addition for so many people. The only discussion that needs to be had enthusiastically is about new how tech impacts and how it's regulated. Future and emerging technology just needs sensible regulation until it finds its feet. Also I've started working on a bukake Vader cosplay with sound FX! Watch out Salute 52!!! *Garbled screams
this is such a good pod. 13 mins in and lol'd a good few times already. thanks guys!
Awesome combo guys! This channel is going to explode! Keep going!
On a side note: It's always weird, to see how bubbly the world has become, even within the bubble.
Archon Studio just had another Dungeons & Lasers Kickstarter with over 2mio funding with "pre-painted" terrain. Which was all over my social channels, but then I see the 3 of you who are deeply connected in the hobby not having a clue this exists. 😅
Oooh wow! Now that is news…..good news indeed ill be sure to look at their kickstarter ❤
Tank you for the show.
the whole "painted printjobs" thing is really interesting because you basically described Gunpla!
and I love Gunpla!
And I don't think it being "pre-painted" (except for pannel lining) detracts from my enjoyment of building gunpla, and having it on my shelf!
But yeah, I feel like if pre-painted prints got TOO good, it would really effect the mini painting BUISNESS model. But in terms of 'heres a mini with basecoats on it - do the rest' I think I would really really enjoy that - and as Peachy said, if I didn't like it I just pray it in some other colour (which after sanding down, is what you can do with Gunpla)
Had to dive right on this. It was so nice to meet you all at Salute and then later at dinner. Loving the Juggz podcast. To buy gobbos at Salute we had to leave at the end of Louise panel and then hightail it over while the crowds were at the panel was crazy busy.
Cool episode!
Somehow I listened half of it, then the third one and now i just finished this one XD
Thank you Juggz crew
You know as well as most of us if you look into the hobby in any depth
There are so many different hobbyists
Some love lore ( historical you could say )
Some love to paint minis to the highest standards
Some love to game and the social and competitive interaction
Some love to build terrain and narrative
There is a little bit of all of those in all of us
So yes pre painted is fine
And as long as the artist who created the colour scheme is financially rewarded fairly for that scheme… then I’m all for it
0:13 , Suggs off camera JUUUUUGGZ🤣
I've never hit play after receiving the notification so quickly.
Awesome, 2 episodes in and this is the BEST podcast ever! Though I think I ruined my tablet after spitting my coffee all over it.......bukkake vader!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hahaha! Sorry about the tablet 😂😂😂😂
❤ The best soundtrack to my working day today
Very quickly become my favourite podcast!
Marvellous isn’t it?
Ah this is where you all are putting these videos, also I cant believe you actually went with juggz in the end XD
I'm painting fine detail, (or trying to to), and then the words "Bukkake vader chamber" killed me. Thanks. Amazing podcast guys 😂
I just loved that Juggz is sponsered by sodick. OMG - another great episode.
Manufacturing is an archaic industry especially here in the UK, its very backward and highly resistant to change - there is a huge market for the colour 3D printing particularly for battleline troops.
Prepainted scenery would defiantly be a thing.
I love painting but its a real commitment to paint KO - probably because I can't just slap it on and want each figure to look good on its own.
It will change
You guys have the right mix of personalities and styles. Makes a hell of a sauce.
Thank you keeping me company as a mark GCSE and A Level coursework
My hobby is wargaming, but my job is R&D in manufacturing. It’s weird but enjoyable hearing the combo of insiders/experts in my hobby getting a hobbyist view of my profession!
I’d like to say not all the people at MACH (pronounced like Mach speed, FYI) are wealthy manufacturing types; some of us just work for them and enjoy a “jolly” going out for the day!
Glad to hear Peachy mention inviting Jordan Sorcery just as I was thinking that would be a great idea- a round of live Quizhammer would be super fun. The discussion about 3D printing was super interesting, I didn't know about the high end of it at all.
Yep get Gordon Saucepan on he's great
The age of the Timmy, the Johnny and the Spike are over.
The question now is are you a Rob, a Rogue, or a Peachy? And I'm totally a Rob 😂
This episode fully sold me on the podcast name
Awesome, loved watching/listening to some juggz.
Always enjoy seeing more Juggz!
The Vader bit had me dying!😂
I love the intro/backing music or whatever it's called 😂. It sounds so cool! And that logo is incredible 🙏
i like the idea of you could order a unit of models pre printed/painted that has themed "skins", like a gaming chair that is licensed to have a cars logo on it, when you go on the website you click on the theme you want so you could preview it. Then i could order a unit of models that has the artists paint job, the that artist would get a commission for every unit printed with their theme. You could then have battles where you could have Louise themed army vs a Peachy themed army!
I'm ready for some big Juggz content
Damn I was so ready for Juggz tonight!
The vr painting video was awesome, it showed how painting works and some of the techniques when you can remove the obscurified skill of working with paints, as each paint irl is different, in VR they're all consistant
Great addition to the hobby/podcast/RUclips ecology… could listen to you good people all day. Love it.
You actually called it Juggz Gone Wild 😂
I was very happy to get another episode of this after watching episode one a couple days ago!
Loving it so far! Keep up the great work you three!
Dave Graffam Models does a really great line of papercraft terrain. Paper terrain can be a little flimsy, but using it is one of the fastest ways to start playing, and the Dave Graffam designs are great!
Great podcast! Was listening whilst painting up some flesh-eater courts, looking forward to the next!
Thank you for coming to our Juggz as a sign off for a podcast that brought us Bukkake-Vader.... I'm loosing it, guys this is brilliant 🤣
So happy
Holy crap! I was not prepared for bukkake Vader 🤣🤣🤣
Neither were we tbh 👀
You never are, you never are
it was an 'experience'
I generally describe myself as a person who prefers to paint than to play - but I admit, with X-wing or the Battlestar Galactica fighter minis, there was a lot of value in being able to just pop stuff onto the table. Even in my minis, I'm enjoying painting the "good guys" but often just slog through the "bad guys" so that there's an opponent in the story on my self.
So, yeah, I think that a setup like Rob was suggesting wherein I could go to a webstore and say "I want these 20 dudes unfinished, plus these 10 "painted" in this basic scheme, and this one hero in this premium scheme" would be really valuable.
Such great chemistry between the three of you. Great podcast 🍻
Glad you enjoyed it!
Just starting this one and can I say that Rob absolutely didn't talk too much in the first episode! The balance is excellent and the chemistry makes it flow so well. Huge fan of Juggz right here.
Rob is right about it not mattering how many people you reach, if you make an impact on just a few, it's worthwhile. And Louise, your 'worthless' videos are sparking joy in at least one curmudgeon that doesn't get much of that, so thank you for being a goofy Rogue.
ROB you rocked and rolled last episode!
9:00 I think that's neurodivergence Louise lol You do both have lovely discord ❤
Honestly the kids area for painting is a great idea, I'd have loved to try that when I was younger. It was only really painting at home with mum, or Heroquest with my parents ^^
Women, Pirates and Neurodivergents? Sold tbh lol, I'd have gone if it wasn't my partners birthday on the day :)
I need to pick up some Rascaltown gobbos at some point, they look like so much fun to paint! :)
I'm imagining the three of you walking around Salute with like the fake nose/glasses/moustache getup lol The revenge dress sent me, "Living well is the best revenge". You're doing great Louise ❤
Mach as in Mack, the funny thing is my partner was there at the same time looking at the CNC and 3D printing stuff for work
The accessibility with printed paintjobs is super cool honestly, I take 4-6 hours to paint my battleline models to a high standard as my tabletop level but it takes a long time to do full armies that way lol, Even for personal use that'd be super interesting lol I'd be curious to see how it affects our industry, especially for commission painters. In 10 years time might I be painting one of each model and then printing the rest of the paint jobs? I could probably lower my prices a bit then and spend more time focusing on character models. I am also nervous about it killing our work but that's always a thing lol
"Thanks for coming to our juggz" You are so lucky your communities are so wholesome lmao
1:16:10 man yeah, i've been saying this for a while and it's really nice to hear someone else say the same. I feel like deep down no one actually wants a balanced game (even if they say they do, which i'm sure they will) and I'm not even sure they want a streamlined game, they just want a functional game where things feel cool, fun enough to be worth using and match how you'd expect them to feel based on their lore. Games can be asymmetrically balanced as long as they feel winnable, but what's more important than that is that they feel worth playing, which can eliminate the desire to win entirely if the experience is fulfilling enough.
Modern 40k mechanically lacks depth of character even if it's a lot more approachable than older editions. I think some of the more recent codexes have gotten better about this but there's still an element of narrative immersion in the rules themselves that could be way more flushed out (like what is an objective even, why am i standing here, this would not be a hard thing to solve narratively but there's never really been an official attempt to do so out besides some light theming for secondaries). I'm sure there's people internally who are also frustrated by this. Kill Team is probably best modern GW game I've played that still nails this, even playing terrible factions or imbalanced matchups feels good sometimes if they perform like how'd you expect them to feel in the lore. I haven't played but Necromunda looks like it does a good job of this too.
To Louise's point, which is also really valid, I think things can feel powerful and cool narratively without being complicated. Magic the Gathering often does this well, as most cards in that game (individually) are pretty straight forward but still feel awesome and it all fits within a sentence or two of rules on a tiny piece of cardboard.