Carbon Fiber Rims vs Aluminum Rims! | Which Is Best For BMX?
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- It's 2021 and Carbon fiber rims are officially a thing in freestyle BMX but they are very expensive, more than 4x the price of the conventional metal BMX rims but they are nearly half the weight of the old rims, are they worth it? Today Matty tests the carbon rims by putting them through a tough test at the skatepark and tries his best to destroy them! Did he succeed? You'll have to watch and find out what happens!
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For the final test, Spencer needs to throw it off the mega ramp
It was the wind!
Make sure theres no one holding a sledgehammer
also make sure theirs no near by golf carts
But that's not his "new sponsor"
fucking OG comment. Damn mafia bike couldnt take the wind
MTB scene been abusing carbon wheels for a couple years now. Matt will be fine. The price tag is still not feasible for 97% of riders...
I've been running carbon MTB rims on my enduro bike for 5 years without an issue. That said, some people are just hard on wheels.
I've broken a few enves
I want we are one composites to make carbon bmx rims. Lol 450 a rim but lifetime warranty basically almost no questions asked.
I work with carbon fiber everyday. Cured Carbon fiber mechanically can’t bend, it will flex until it cracks but you could never bend or flat spot a carbon rim. They’ll stay straight until they crack
What kind of work do you do?
@@sipho.tography aerospace composites
@@DollMakesIt that sounds fascinating
They can be built with a fair bit of flex in them though before they break. A well built carbon rim will catastrophically break no sooner than a good alloy rim.
@@GRPABT1 theres video of Danny MacAskill trying to destroy a set of Santa Cruz carbon rims, it's really impressiv.
I guess these carbon rims might be tougher than any alloy rim
I’m a mountain biker who doesn’t really hold back when it comes to the sends. I’ve been riding carbon wheels for years now with only one cracked rim. I run between 25 and 40 PSI and they hardly ever go out of true. I love that bmx is coming out with them! I think they’re great!
Since MTB wheels are significantly larger are the wheels more expensive? I cant imagine spending more than a grand on a pair of rims alone, let alone closer to like 1500 or 2k for larger ones
@@TwoGunToast check out ENVE wheels if you want some crazy mtb sticker shock
@@TwoGunToast no, not necessarily more expensive. There are a lot more carbon rim options in the mtb scene than bmx and as a result there’s a wider range in prices. The highest end ones are in the thousand dollar range, but for the most just the rims by themselves are around the same.
@@hotdolphin4208 couldn’t have said it better myself… 😂
@Patrick Uzzell I don’t run those ones. 😂
Big up TALL ORDER. Bas is a king. U.K. legend
My son has 3 more races to win for intermediate, this video is giving me more confidence to spend for the carbon wheels as his intermediate trophy 🏆, and now i get notified as soon as u post a video, 🙂
Good luck on them
You should get him a horse, horses are more durable than carbon fiber.
Aw
Shit we raced and won yrs ago now on metal Araya racing wheels.... Saving weight doesn't equal faster laps or more victories..
@@dieseldabz7104 it kinda does though, it's science.
Finally the videos aren't over exposed!!! It looks great Scotty. Keep up the good work!
*Scotty talks ounces*
Non-Americans: *confused googling*
@@navysealblackwater Europe, we use grams and its multiples. Actually for a bike we would use kilograms, 1 kilogram is 1000 grams, grams are more for light stuff or for measuring ingredients while cooking.
@Bongo Bongo everyone else is wrong lol
I buy ounces.... lol
Sorry y'all don't get it😆
@@clivemathieu9386 Sure kid
I'm a triplet with 2 brothers just as ugly as I am 😂 I sure wish my relationship with my siblings was as good as these guys.
Loads of love and respect being sent to you two from the UK!
My bike riding days are over thanks to a back full of metal rods, but I still love these vids and watching your recovery helped me through mine.
Keep up the amazing positivity guys!
One of those rims costs $2 more than my whole bike
and i bet you tbe thinking you have a legit bike.... a tall order pro bike cost around 600pounds...
@@zombeesama1169 why does it matter to you buddy? the bike doesnt make the rider
@@zombeesama1169 this is the US . Wtf is the equivalent of 600 pounds. Plus, the price of your bike don’t mean shit. All about the rider. I’ve ridden bikes for 15 years and never spent more than 380 on a bike with repairs next to never lol
I've seen people killing it on a dumpster bike (legit found in a dumpster) as I sucked on a much nicer bike... rock what you got, nicer parts will come eventually
@@zombeesama1169 I’ve only been riding 9 months I don’t need that nice of a bike yet
I really dig how you put that music in the background around 10 mins, gives the video a nice flow
Matty the best at the rim job🤣
Nice work Scotty, it's good to see that BMX is continuing to innovate. We'll see carbon fiber stems, seat posts and handlebars before too long!
they’re all things in racing. race bmxs are baller
Matt's idol Danny McCaskill did a test on carbon fiber wheels and had a hard time destroying them. He did once he got flat tires.
I mean the Santa Cruz reserves are absolutely overkill
They also cost like 1k
That was a good video
"Crack and bmx don't mix well"
-Matty Cranmer 2k21
Just finished watching your recovery video, Very inspiring seeing you back upto speed!
Knowing this makes me feel better about building a custom BMX bike almost 15 years ago for $1200+.... LoL
Edit: I'm pretty sure Danny McCaskill did the ultimate carbon wheel test... He jumped a huge set of steps and didn't have a tire on the back rim and it didn't break.
whhaaat
Yup I remember that
Not too much bmxing these days, still riding on my 1997 3 spoke GT mags
Crap..The older 80's GT's & Haro's were awesome..
Nostalgia has me riding a Heritage Pro Performer and I've been putting it on a hard-core diet. My original budget for wheels and tires was $800, but that's now my new rim budget.
The hardest part about it is that I ride full brakes. The sets of rims tend to come with a brakeless front, so I will have pay a [another] premium for being a dinosaur.
I know there was a little tension there....all you guys are awesommee!
But a Big Boy flair seems like it would surely be an ultimate test. Lol
From Freehold Jers, old timer Incline Club rider. Keep up the great work fellas!
Thanks for the great posts guys.... Big shouts out from Holland....
I will never be able to justify spending the cost of two whole bikes for one set of rims. Cool af though.
Those same hoops are $120/each direct from China. Ask me how I know.
@@cranklab4937 yeah but look at some of the videos from the Chinese knock off bikes, they fail.
@@cranklab4937 how do you know
@@dylan_stdhamm8594 there's a reason they fly the American flag when we come into town to meet with the factories. Lol
That would be 2 really shitty bikes that you don’t want to have
I wonder what product scotty has to show us tomorrow.
Yesterday's review was well done.
This one is a little more played up but I didn't even really think of it as a paid ad
he literally says it at the end. He is going to talk about the different tires
@@bermchasin I didn't make it that far
Could Spencer break the back wheel on a flair? He is good at that.
About a year to two years ago, Big Boy would have definitely snapped those rims doing flairs. 😆🤣😂 Could you imagine being in a pro comp and landing a big trick just to have a carbon fiber rim snap/Crack. Than it would be $402 well spent. 😆🤣😂
Lol he's insane he might 720s to flat
Im just here to laugh at the people complaining about the price. Carry on.
That just too much money for regular people to spend on wheels. I would say those wheels are only for the elite BMX riders.
Or elite wallets
Idk. I’m a normal guy. Lower middle class. Put a $1500 wheel set on my carbon road bike last year. I saved up, and worked hard.
Yoooo scott, you should try and do a instagram live calling the shots video with matty!!!! Im sure a lot of people would wanna see it LIKE this so scotty can see n maybe do this??¿
Anyone know why Sebastián from Tall order stopped uploading on RUclips?
What combination will be better on carbon fiber rims, titanium spokes or steel spokes?
BKs knowledge continues to impress.
Look up berd spokes. Idk if they make them for bmx but they do for mtb
Scotty is awesome. Great content
His spine to flat looks like the first time I jumped a spine except I wasn’t trying to go flat
seems like they designed these carbon rims really good! I'm impressed.
I dunno if I could ever bring myself to spend $400 on a single rim! Lol that’s too rich for my blood!
I love your videos! Peace from Germany!
Germany is the best place I have ever been in my life. I can't wait to return soon
I get defensive and scared the same exact way with expensive parts but you gotta think that is a 400 part so you gotta think, doing some hard drops and hard hits isnt going to fold the rim.. its built to last. Love the vids
7:09 I wish my wheel was that straight, front and back both have been warped for years lmao
You guys should test more BMX parts!!
The carbon rim is stiff however doesn't the flex of the titanium spokes and the spoke lacing and cross make the rim flex and also strong?
Matty is a beast!
I have 2 g-sports.. bird in front roll in back.. and I suck at bmx so they have endured beginners abuse.. still going strong after 7 months.. had to tighten some spokes but still strong
I'm not sold on them. Need to see a couple of flairs.
from the big dawg tho
I’m no expert, but 1000hp cars use carbon fiber driveshafts, downhill MTB have been abusing carbon wheels for ever now. true cured carbon will not bend, it will stay solid until it cracks, and that takes ALOT of abuse. Just my tea hope it helps!
You'll flair a bunch of times without having to true the carbon wheel, that's the difference. If and when it breaks is the point where your alloy rim would also be unfixable. It's really only sharp impacts that tend to be their weak point, don't run low tyre pressure then case.
@@GRPABT1 I know that well made carbon is the real deal but im curious about the implementation in bmx rims. I would like to know if alienation or others did it right. I'm using it with fishing rods and it works amazingly
Santa Cruz has a wonderful video about the strength of alloy and carbon frames. Carbon is better but the thing is alloy bends, carbon breaks. Better but when you push it too far it is gone.
Is this new to bmx? Had carbon rims forever on thoer bikes. That's crazy if they are that behind
Anyone remember the carbon fiber tri spoke wheels from Spin back in the late 90's? I totally wanted them but the bros at the bike shop told me jumping stairs on those would make them shatter. :/
matt be like a Evel Knievel throwing around the bike to flat hahaha
The mass distribution of a rotating body changes the moment of inertia. Thats the term you guys were looking for when explaining bar spins with a spinning wheel being easier with a lighter wheel. You understanding was great though because when you said "rotational weight", you were spot on. The moment of inertia acts the mass when talking torque vs force. Physics 101
K nerd
those clear cool stop pads probably love that carbon
Just that clunk noise when Matty landed off that wall. Makes you cringe :B
Watch the Danny video with Santa cruise where he sends carbon rims down a stair set without anything on them
Aus boys have been running carbon rims for a couple months now! There insane so insane 😍
Wouldn’t it be $808? I had no idea that BMX was extremely expensive. Bikes in general are up there. I wish I knew about BMX in my younger years. I absolutely love it now!
How well does the female mini hub and the peg work?
I'm definitely gonna try the eclat carbonic carbon rims
I wonder if it would make a difference with metal beaded tire instead of the khe mac 2's which are a thinner tire?
You should have tested them Danny mac style
Carbon has been the go to for pros in mtb for years and they arguably take bigger impacts than a bmx wheel yet they are favoured by pros. And that's not me discrediting bmx, I think you guys are insanely good at what you do but a carbon rim is definitely something the bmx community will build on in my opinion. Especially with bmx wheels being smaller, they are therefore a lot stronger. Can't see many people breaking them🤘
Tell that to Mike Fede, he broke his Carbon fiber Alienation rims on a double whip
@@dieseldabz7104 yeah I guess I did make the mistake of not thinking about lateral forces that the weave endures. If you land sideways or any way the weave is going it can simply split along the weave so yeah Im a complete idiot for forgetting about that 😂
Fede broke his on that tailwhip double tire bouch ha lol
Man, BMX has it good. My ZIPP road bike wheels are over $1,000 each. My frameset is $3,500. My groupset is another $3,000. Bike is over $10,000 all in.
But thank God I work in the bike industry and didn't buy it at retail haha 😆
Saw the price on the Eclat rims posted on my LBS, and I could build a new whip with after market parts with that money..
Your rims cost more than my bike..... lol
This was cool and helpful. I’d like to try them out but that’s quite a bit out of my price range. Maybe someday though.
Not related to this video but does anyone know what Vans Scotty wear? I've had a injury which has affected my walking, he mentioned them a while back but I can't remember which video I saw them in
Sorry to hear about your injury, I hope things will get better for you. The shoes I use for walking are Vans Ultrarange Rapidwelds I love these shoes and I will do a video soon about them
One of the best ways to stress a wheel is a flare. It's all about the sideways loading 😉
I wonder how a set of ACS Z-Rims would hold up on a modern bike doing modern tricks?
I got so sick of bending and breaking spokes in mine back in the day, I ended up swapping them with some other kid for a pair of Tuff 2's :D
I can honestly say I’m no weight weenie. My single speed coaster brake “road” bike comes in at 33 pounds of all steel 1947 frame and forks. My other main ride is a 49 pound 52” wheel with no gears, no brakes, and no coasting.
Even in my racing days my bikes were on the heavier side of things (24 pound road when 20-22 was not uncommon and a 30 pound mountain when mid 20’s was common).
Have you seen the polylight spokes yet.. those things are crazy.
Good job Scotty.
Scotty talk to your people maybe try a polyethylene rim. Firm,flexable hard plastic.at 1/4 inch would be very strong,does have memory..They're used for gas lines,etc..pressure proof. non corrosive or cracking.might be heavier I dunno but might be a revolution rim? Dunno,if it is you'll be a billionaire and I expect a shout out lol.if not be cool to see Matty or Cory test them out..
Did you actually weigh the wheels? My friend spent big dollars to get SuperCross carbon fiber rims for his race bike... The Alienation aluminum hoops he had before, were lighter...He is the ultimate weight weenie and his XXL Carbon fiber SuperCross comes in at 14.75 pounds.. it's an amazing bike, it feels as though it will accelerate right out from under you. If it isnt carbon fiber, its Titanium or aluminum... makes my 19 pound 125r feel like a tank
I think they're stronger than aluminum. My only concern is spokes pulling through over time. Cf does wear down when abrased. Don't know how much turning nips and clacking on flat it will like
Watching this reminds me that I need to check if my bike is ready for pick up
Got dt swiss carbon rims on my mtb £400 each but they have 2 year warranty only need proof of purchase
Wow, I didn't know DT only offers a 2 year warranty. My Zipp's and Bontragers have a lifetime warranty.
how long till bmx ends up with carbon frames? will be interesting to see
Hey Scotty, can you use cush core with this set- up to help “reinforce” the carbon?
Using a cushion inside the tyre negates the effect of reducing rotational mass, so no.
Additionally the purpose of Cush Core is to run low pressure on, under 30psi on mountain bikes in order to maintain grip pedaling up rocks and roots. Most BMXers will ride well over 30, often 60-90psi.
Close, it's not gyroscopic force... it's angular momentum
I always doubted the strength of carbon rims until I watched the video of Danny Macaskill riding down a bunch of stairs with no tires.
I almost spit out my pizza when they showed the price of the carbon rim, i yelled out loud with a mouth full of food in a room by myself, "whhhhaaat?!" I'll stick with my demolition rims, thank you very much...
When is mattys new frame going to be out
Who remembers Alex liiv snapping his metal rig in half at the seam down that huge double set
Get a pair a skyway tuff 2s 🤣🤣 weight is temporary... skill is forever
Nice love the video
What happened to mags?
Shorter offset on the fork and rotational weight of that on the next video!
I miss the Alex Chrome Triple wall rims ✅ Mid old school...100%
I remember a carbon fiber GT mag wheel or was that that plastic carbon fiber
I have broken multiple enve mtb wheels. Carbon is strong as hell. But when it fails it fails. Better get a wheel with a lifetime warranty
Please try to get Matty back into bmx racing!
RUclips for me is Scotty Cranmer.
One of those rims is more expensive than my entire nice bike, which is the most expensive bike in my family.
God Bless You Guys!
please try nextrime tubeless on your bmx with these carbon rims to make it even lighter...and you wont have flats anymore! just look what they do to downhill bikes
the back wheel is almost more than two of my bikes lmao
1000$ a wheel meanwhile in Australia 600$ reer hub 200$ for oil slick ti spokes/nips, the cost of a rim makes it cream I got myself 70$ tubless with tubolitos thanks bk!
“Deff case it” lol 😆
I bet some 700c road carbon trispokes are bonkers expensive.
What about tube vs tubeless
Would love to see a smaller flair on them
big boy would be a real test with them rims