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- Star Trek · The Next Generation · s04e26 · Redemption
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A Harlot’s Bed Chamber?
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Do Not Tie My Hands Now!
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You Have Manipulated The Circumstances With The Skill Of A Romulan
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Your Blood Will Paint The Way To The Future!
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What About Worf?
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You Are Worf, Son Of Mogh
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I Do Hear The Cry Of The Warrior
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That was Worf's decision alone to resign.
He felt he owed Gowron for restoring his family's honor & name and so I can't say I blame him.
Not to mention that he had a bone to pick with the Duras family.
Well, the owing goes both ways in various aspects.
No that was Picard giving worf a way to show he always had the heart of a warrior a good leader knows what the people under them think and will do
JLP didn't blame Worf. Not one bit.
It was absolutely the correct move.
I have the series on bluray and I always find myself sitting at the computer watching episodes 5 minute chunks from this channel.
Same here. The comments here are just not on blue-ray.
@@samzenmcknight3265 Nor are the beans
Best channel EVER!
🤨 While eating your beans, I assume...? 😆
Heck, I have it downloaded on my phone and find myself coming here.
Wouldn't be the last time Gowron would see Worf take off his starfleet badge.
King-maker and king-breaker.
You'd have thought he'd have learned it doesn't end well for whoever gives him cause to remove the damn thing.
@@Hesitatedeye That's how Darwinism works. Fools remove themselves from the gene-pool.
Nope the next time he saw that he was let’s say getting demoted
But rest assured, the second time he saw that was surely the last time HE'D see that, or anything for that matter 😂😂😂😂😂😂
In an alternate universe, Riker also resigned his commission and took command of a Klingon Bird of Prey. Reunited with his friend and former second officer Klag, Riker, son of Kyle Riker, achieves great fame in battle and is known as the "Scourge of Romulus" for his exploits against Romulan enemies. He also gains the moniker "Point of the Blade" for his execution of both Duras sisters in hand to hand combat. After many years and countless honors from the High Council, William Riker retires to his native Alaska. This Riker lives the remainder of his life in a cabin he builds by a pristine lake, and dies peacefully as a contented old man. By his bedside are friends such as Data, an aged Deanna Troi, and Klag, now an admiral. As Riker passes away, Klag looks into his eyes and emits a roar to the sky, a notice to those in Sto-va-kor that a warrior would soon arrive among them.
His epitaph reads as follows:
He was William Thomas Riker. Warrior of the Klingon Empire. Officer of the Federation. Respected by Men. Loved by Women. Feared by Furniture.
That was cool. Good one.
I can't believe the Klingons would just give him a bird of prey. But imagine a spin off series with Riker further integrating in klingon society, and slowly but surely gaining the respect of his crew as he brings them honor in battle.
Would be an amazing series
@@bobbywhite1645 LOL, explaining just how he ended up with a bird of prey would have made the paragraph too long. You're right though, a series where Riker becomes integrated in Klingon society would have been very cool. I wrote a one-off paragraph. You've gone and created an entirely new series idea! Very cool!
if only they allowed klag to live in the timeline we know on DVD, the friendship they would have had over the years even fighting side by side in Picard series one last time
Is he carried there by a few babes from Risa?
It's interesting that most people in the comments think Picard was shocked, I saw it as Picard knowingly giving Worf an out, or rather forcing an out on him.
Had Worf remained on leave and fought for a foreign, if allied, power, that would have probably been a massive violation of Starfleets rules and possibly Federation law as the federation citizens of joined the Maquis discovered.
By forcing him into a resignation, it technically protects Worf's career to at least a minor extent
I can definitely see that line of thought, especially when Picard says, "Your responsibilities _as a Starfleet officer_ are incompatible with remaining aboard a _Klingon ship_ during a time of war!" You get the impression he's thinking, "Just temporarily resign your commission, and then it'll be fine." (Or something like that)
Same thought. He was particularly concrete and harsh in presenting a choice to Worf, who he knows so well.
He was asking Picard to do what the US did in Latin America for many decades
When Picard explicitly orders, not asks for something, he knows exactly what he's doing.
@@80s_Boombox_Collector And Russia did in 2014 in Ukraine.
Here, I think Picard knew exactly what he was doing. The look in his eyes before he issues that command for Worf to return to duty said it all. He knew Worf would have to make a choice. And he knows Worf. He gambled on Worf resigning. Giving him that choice worded the way that he did allowed him to put Worf - the best man for the job - in a position to support Gowron where the Federation could not. Worf's exemplary skills would give Gowron an upper hand. He's not getting just a tactical officer, he's getting THE BEST tactical officer. This is a shielded way for the Federation to get involved without actually getting involved through the tactical skills trained into a Klingon warrior.
He gambled that Worf may not return, but it was a calculated risk.
His expression of surprise when Worf resigned was well acted. I think he'd been prepared from the start to consider the possibility that Worf would leave. He figured out how to use that possibility to find a loophole.
Consider the possibility...
*_POSSIBILITY???_*
Klingon Honor demanded nothing less, and Jean Luc knows Klingon Honor better than most Klingons.
and not to mention that when Worf departed the Enterprise to join the Klingon Civil War...there was an honor guard to see him off.
Picard needed Worf to resign. Not just for above, but as stated by Picard: "noninterference". Worf was still a Starfleet officer, even if he went on leave. The first time Worf helped, Picard can feign ignorance, the second time would be deliberate. Worf had to resign to withdraw all further involvement of Starfleet.
Yes. Picard manipulated the circumstances with the skill of a Romulan.
Kinda cool how Gowron's very first act as Chancellor was to restore Worf's honor. To bad he had to act a fool later on in DS9...
He was always a fool and a politician first.
Go watch Unification, after the civil war he began re-writing history so it looked like it was his Genius that won the civil war with no mention of the Federation's help.
DS9 made lots of stupid mistakes and Retcons. Introducing currency, when its already established that nothings is paid for.
@@AzguardMike DS9 did not "introduce" currency. It only acknowledged that the Federation respected its use by certain societies outside itself and used the concept of credit to work with those societies.
@@fryfry377In a society with no currency, making energy itself in a form of a credit as trading currency. It’s pretty clever
"in the 22n centrury we have eliminated currency. The NEED for anything. The challenge, sir, is to better yourself!"
This theme of Worf's, the idea that he is caught in the middle of two worlds, and must balance or choose between them, is one of the strongest and most resonant of the entire series, and I very glad that the producers gave it the time that it needed to development properly. Everyone goes on about Picard episodes and Data episodes, and those are typically great standalone one-offs, but Worf episodes are almost all above-average, and most of them (with some exceptions like Parallels) are continuity-driven, serialized drama. He brings something unique to the series, and there's a reason why Worf is in more episodes of the franchise than any other character.
Agreed! I don't think much of the Klingons (most of them don't live up to their claims about being honorable and will do mental gymnastics to justify dishonorable behaviour and actions!), but Worf? Worf is all he claims to be and a character I like (despite the fact that I don't get why he would want to be part of Klingon culture, he surely sees their mental gymnastics!)!
@@dreamingflurry2729 he values the klingons ideals above all else and tries to believe that his people are a proud race even though there are bad examples at the top of the chain of command
I didn't think I liked Worf, but turns out I like a lot of Worf episodes, which means I like Worf? surprised.
The only decent episode of season 1 was the Klingon episode.
Also the theme of having been told fancy tales of what the world is like and doing your best to be worthy of the world and then realizing that the world is not worthy of you because so much of what you were told is bullshit.
3:54 Riker wishing he could've replicated some popcorn for this meeting.
I remember watching this episode when it first aired. I thought that maybe Michael Dorn was considering leaving the show, and we had to wait three months to see what happened.
Six months, actually.
1:10 - 1:45 Gowron: "You've proven your hearts are Klingon! I return your family honor! I give you back what was wrongfully taken from you! Let your name be spoken once again! You are Worf, Son of Mogh! Glory to you and to your house! QA'PLA!!"
Never give an ultimatum you aren't prepared to lose.
Every time Picard lectures someone about their duty as a starfleet officer they resign their commission...
I never noticed that, but I think you're right. Worf, Wesley, even Ro in her way.
He should attend a management training seminar.
@@cugamer8862 Even Sisko was about to resign after a Starfleet lecture from Picard.
It’s almost like this scene was Picard doing his official starfleet duty knowing full well the conflict of interest it would cause if he had to explain to Starfleet high command why there’s a starfleet officer fighting in a Klingon civil war.
the only way he was letting Worf go was if he resigned and he knew it couldn’t be any other way and was protecting him from starting an intergalactic incident between the romulans as well as the Klingons.
Imagine the romulans seeing the federation helping the Klingons in a civil war?
It would look like the federation was putting in a puppet leader (and I mean technically DS9 proved that) and could look REALLY bad as if the Klingons would soon join the federation and be an even bigger threat (which ultimately happened eventually) so Picard did a very smart thing here with this conversation.
Even more so with the new klingon leader present.
The look on Picard's face when Worf takes off the badge.
Picard can't believe that anyone would want to leave the Federation!
Denial is a common reaction with Starfleet captains when people reject the Federation.
Just ask Sisko...
I see it less as ‘surprise at wanting to leave’, and more as ‘realizing his convictions ran deep enough to resign’ (also year old comment)
Well, it was rather sudden. Even in a regular job it's usually preferrable to give notice. But Picard isn't showing much surprise, he's just frowning.
Yeah, I noticed that too!
The Klingon, Picard and Data storylines were some of the best of TNG.
Man, the look on Picard's face. He did NOT see that one coming.
If not, then it would be bad. He should know Worf well enough, and his demeanor was so harsh.
He should have, and I think he did. Otherwise, the betrayal of a Cha'dic would have been too much.
I choose to think he feels he has to, just so Gowron is sure.
Well he did leave worf to die. I'm sure that crossed worf's mind as he saw the enterprise flee
Picard DID see it coming. Hell, Picard was the one that gave him the out.
Actually, yes, Picard KNEW what Worf would do!
Also, good acting from Michael Dorn, as that look at 4:50 totally reads as "I'm disappointed. You have let me down".
4:37 my favorite sound effect of the whole series
"I return your family beans. I give you back what was wrongfully taken from you. Let your beans be cooked in the great hall again. You are *Worf,* son of Mogh".
"Glory to you and to your house! QA'PLA!!"
“You are Worf, Son of Mogh, the great farmer and baker of beans.”
You are Beans... son of VanCamp
not even worf could resist the power of Gowron Eyes
1:15 - 1:20 Gowron probably never anticipated that in about 8 years, Worf would've used an identical dk'tahg to end his life in a duel...
He didn't use one? He used the two broken halves of his shattered Bat'leth
@@NightingaleSunset That's correct.
@@NightingaleSunset correct.
Surely Worf would have to give four weeks notice after resigning unless he had annual leave to take 🤔😂
Picard KNEW that Gowron and Worf were gonna ask for Federation assistance from the moment this meeting started.
Picard KNEW that the answer was going to be NO. because he had already had THAT conversation prior to this meeting.
Picard ALSO KNEW what he was going to do AFTER THIS ... but he knew that would require another conversation, so he could not disclose that information to Worf. he definitely could not disclose that to Gowron. he couldn't even disclose that to Riker at that time.
Picard KNEW what Worf wanted to do all along, and Picard KNEW that ordering Worf to disregard what his Klingon heritage told him to do wouldn't end well. so he gave Worf the out, and Worf took it.
Picard trusted Worf to stay alive.
and Worf trusted Picard to have a plan to expose what everyone knew was hidden in plain sight.
Mainly that the Romulans were also players in this fight.
@@andrewnlarsen which everyone KNEW but had to be PROVEN.
Picard eventually had a change of heart and assisted Gowron by catching a Romulan shipment headed for the Duras sisters.
I sensed that Picard would intervene but in a Federation way considering he knew what the Duras family was capable of and who were their potential backers.
A man's got to follow his own path, where ever it leads.
Gowron always reminded me of a partially strangled weasel.
That's...an interesting comparison
Because of this we got to see Worf in a Klingon uniform. And compared to that, what Star Fleet wears really is a child's uniform on him.
1:42 That Klingon blood doesn't look very Pepto-Bismol-ish... curious.
Looks a bit more like cough syrup to me. Cherry flavored.
Lighting?
That was only done to ensure The Undiscovered Country got a PG-13 rating.
There's a lot of iron in prune juice, comrade.
@@nealmarasinghe7755 I recall Rich of RLM bringing up that point to Mike in one of their Star Trek re:Views.
0:15 Must be hard for those klingons to respect you, running when the battle was happening, then coming back when everything is safe and peaceful again.
Gowron knew the feds too well to even mention it.
As Picard said, it was an internal matter. Unless it could be shown that the Romulans were delivering something to the sisters on Klingon... not much that the Federation can do.
It's like the Vulcans slowing our Warp Speed program in Enterprise... or the US trying to extract the Taliban from Afghanistan. The Taliban is supposed to be a (militant) sect of Iraqi/Afghani clerics... not foreign invaders.
It's interesting how sometimes, like here, they do show Picard's deep loyalty to principle to be his Achilles' Heel.
We deeply admire him for never bending nor wavering but, sometimes, it does make him an ass.
How does it make him an ass to not want to replicate the US's mistakes in the Banana Wars
@@80s_Boombox_Collector I mostly agree, but I wonder why it was his call to make. Seems like he should've spoken with the Federation High Council first. Gowron asking Picard for aid would be like the leader of an African nation asking a US Aircraft Carrier for aid against Somali pirates, instead of talking to the POTUS or Joint Chiefs. Anyway, Worf was right about one thing, Duras' alliance with the Romulans means this wasn't a purely internal affair.
You are Beans son of Beans
I believe Gowron was the absolute coolest, most bad ass looking klingon in the whole franchise. It's the eyes.
Gowron clearly saw that coming.
I've never seen a full episode, only clips, and even I'm tearing up. T^T
2:43 "Captain. _We_ must intervene!"
3:24 "I beg you. Support _us_ in _our_ cause."
Worf, son of Mogh. A man who belongs to two civilizations at once... and in some ways, neither.
Picard chose his words carefully. "Your duties as a Starfleet officer are incompatible with remaining on board a Kingon ship during a time of war." He laid out the choices then gave him an order to follow or resign in light of. Im sure Starfleet has regulations regarding resigning in the face of orders that contradict your honor or moral code. Picard knew what he was doing.
This whole scene was an act for Gowron's sake. Picard knew Gowron would ask for Federation intervention, knew the UFP could not get involved, and knew Worf would be on the spot. Picard deliberately left Worf with no options so he would resign and be free to assist Gowron without causing backlash for the UFP. My only question is did Picard and Worf discuss the plan ahead of this moment or did Picard play his cards close to his own chest so Worf would look convincing?
Close to his chest.
One problem with this scene is that it implies the decision rests with Picard, a lowly Captain. Really Picard had a duty to present Gowron's request to the Starfleet Admiralty and let them make the decision- whether they accepted or rejected it should not have been his choice to make. In fact Gowron could have messaged Starfleet anyway; asking Picard to submit his request was merely an act or courtesy and convenience.
You have to watch the episode where Kmpec appoints Picard as Arbiter. It wasn’t Picard’s place to choose, only to decide who were the two legal claimants to the chancellorship. The two claimants then had to fight. Since Duras died, his claim fell to his heir, who then challenged Gowron. Gowron ultimately won, and so he becomes chancellor. Picard’s only role here in this scene as arbiter is to confirm Gowron’s legal claim to that title just before he is enthroned, but it was never his “choice” to make Gowron chancellor under Klingon law
What is sad about Worf is that, as he grew outside of the Empire, his view of what a Klingon has to be is the idealized way based directly on their stories, myths and traditions, none of the corruption and decadence that is the reality of the Klingon Empire. A Federation serving Klingon raised by humans is actually the perfect Klingon archetype, the greatest of them all.
You should do a kilngon saga. From Kitomer to Worf killing Duras to Yarulan, to Worf killing Garon.
Gowron, not Garon.
@@ValiantWrestling sorry peedictive text.
Hell of a handshake 🤝
_"If anyone cannot perform his or her duty because of the demands of their society, they should resign."_
Why is there even a debate in the conference room? Even if Picard fully agreed with Gowron and Worf, he doesn't have the authority to make that decision; the civilian government of the Federation would have to make it.
Not really the case. Picard is the gatekeeper in these matters and he clearly interpreted Federation law to support his decision. The matter ended there.
I’m honestly surprised Picard didn’t say, “I’d like you to return to duty, unless you have unfinished business here.”
After all, Worf was just doing his thing and Picard told him he’d better start causing crap and get his act together and regain his honor.
Like telling a friend going through rough times, “Call any time. I’ve been there.”
When they call, “Love to help, but I just sat down with a bag of chips and onion dip to binge watch a new series everyone keeps talking about.”
ITYM with bean dip to watch clips
Oh my Q!
Wth
Romulans involved in this conflict, I think it would be enough for the Federation to officially intervene.
But it's silly to say the least. This is a dangerous situation. Then at the end, it...
Decades have passed, Talking about TNG, it would be spoiling me most of the last 2 seasons lol. Maybe others went to college (grrr) and missed these gems from Parso.
They did not intervene in the actual combat. They in fact stopped an intervention from the Romulans, which would make them welcome.
Worf was there at his installation and ends up killing him by the end of DS9
Spoiler Alert !!!!
LOL
A helping of beans and eggs, please. Heartbreaking as it is fascinating.
Worf resigning showed that he was a true Klingon.
Picard was 120% in the wrong here.
Starfleet's prohibition of intervening in internal affairs does not apply when the legally sanctioned government asks for aid.
It happens dozens of times throughout the series. The entire premise of ds9 is Starfleet rebuilding Bajor, at Bajor's request.
But at least Picard learns. He eventually does the exact same thing as Worf here. Picard resigns from Starfleet because they refuse to help the Romulans evacuate their Homeworld.
Evacuating Romulans from the Romulan home planet because the Romulan Sun goes nova is about as close to the definition of internal affairs as you can get.
There's still a huge difference between a humanitarian act and siding in a civil war, though.
There have been other episodes where they were hesitant, like that one with the terrorism theme. That was quite ambiguous IIRC. They thought they are merely supplying medicine for the legitimate government but when learning the details, things got complicated.
@@Dowlphin Agreed. There's is a big difference between a civil war and aid.
And if Picard made the case that, despite there being no prohibition against intervention, it was not in Starfleet's best interest to get involved, that difference would be relevant to the conversation.
He would still be wrong, but it would have been a different kind of wrong.
As it stands however, he was saying they're not allowed to get involved because of the prime directive. Which is not true.
Once the legitimate government of a warp capable civilization requests aid, the PD no longer applies.
Starfleet can, of course, still decline to provide the requested aid. But that is a completely different scenario.
@@nitePhyyre Maybe it was not a direct reference to the Prime Directive. But yeah, I guess presenting it like violating fundamental principles is a bit harsh, and IIRC there are plenty of precedents. Stuff gets a lot more mushy beyond the fancy-talk.
But, of course, the beancounters at Federation desks might be less devoted to principles than Picard is. - Notice how a decision of such magnitude is presented by him like he has the sole authority to decide. Gowron could simply have bypassed Picard and directly addressed the Federation and might have gotten a different response.
If you zoom out for a minute there`s a huge amount of stuff going on here. The new chancellor of the Klingon empire just asked for Federation help. A Starfleet officer of the flagship supported it, The captain of the flagship (rightfully so ) denied them both .A resignation the tactical officer of the flag ship .One would think that Starfleet would put more of an effort into the chosen leader of there ally before it escalates into PT2. Crédit to Goworn for being the quiet type given whats involved. Personally i think Starfleet should have mopped the floor with the insurgents verbally.
Worf needed to stand on his own here. For his family name. For his respect for Gowron. For the honor of the empire.
Picard can’t be surprised Worf resigned. He forced Worf into a position where he had to chose between his own people or Starfleet. What did Picard seriously expect Worf would do when forced to make a decision like that?
Picard be like "why doggy no show belly?"
can't you read mr worf? it says clearly in the federal legislation that the prime directive can be broken for petty emotional reasons ONLY BY THE CAPTAIN. this means that if you stub my toe i'll turn your house to cinders, but if your people is locked in a civil war, that's none of my business.
He is worf! Son of Mogh! Very good he got back his honor! Quapla!
You are Bean, son of Bean.
Gowron wasn’t a bad guy but he let the power go to his head.
The true character is revealed when tested.
"And now that I am Chancelor... Worf and Kurn: we need to talk about your flair."
john 20:29
'blessed are those who have not seen but still believe,...."
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soo, what of those who have seen?
Picard looked as if Worf had just kicked a baby
Paramount + needs to go belly up and re-license all the pre Kurtzman properties back to the other streaming services.TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. Shouldnt have to pay for yet another streaming service to watch what should be or was already syndicated.
Honor is everything.
I am Larry Dickman, son of Rodney Dangerfield.
I don't think the decision about intervening was for Picard to make, not even for Starfleet. Worf has a really valid point, it is a political decision, this should have been relayed to the Federation Council.
I'm sure they anticipated with the Klingons one of them to do and their answer is still no unless the romulans get in the conflict
I think it was a mistake for Picard to outright reject the notion of aiding the Klingon Empire. Instead, he should've promised to bring it up to the Federation council, and let them make the decision. He may not have the power to declare war in the name of the Federation, but Worf was right about the risks involved. It would be a matter of great significance and debate for the Federation.
I feel like bringing something up to the Federation could take a while and involves meetings and paperwork that the Klingons don't have time for. Worf resiging and helping them, whether it was Picard's idea or not, was a better idea.
@@sarahberkner I don't disagree with Worf's decision to leave. But at least Picard could've provided consideration of Federation aid.
Picard has no authority to engage the Federation council as he is only a captain of a single vessel. The matter must be directed to a higher level admiral who reports directly to the council.
@@oldtwinsna8347Good point about Picard. The Enterprise is the Flagship of the Federation, or so they say but it's captain is rarely an ambassador, let alone one with plenipotentiary powers.
I love Picard but his blind adherence to the principles of the federation is his greatest weakness as well as his greatest strength. I wonder how many lives it cost over the series.
Too many. Worf was right; they were already involved.
@@kevinmencer3782 Too bad Section 31 wasn't retconned into TNG, the Federation may be outwardly neutral, but that doesn't mean they can't supply Gowron with weapons and repair facilities.
That's how it appears here, but then he backs Worf's play independently by cutting off the Romulans from supporting the Duras.
@@3Rayfire exactly. Picard made the smart move. Let the Klingons deal with Klingon matters while the federation handles the romulans.
Picard doesn't have the authority to drag the Federation into a war. Starfleet does prevent the Romulans from coming to the Duras' aid without openly entering the war though so it's not like they just sat and watched.
Gowron should have made his petition to the Federation council, not Captain Picard. Probably would have gotten the same answer but at least there would be been more discussion and debate on the request.
From now on whenever i make a deal with someone i will hold out a knife instead of shaking hands. I will not have dealings with those who have no honour...
Picard was wrong here. Worf made a solid argument and he knew that. Outright denying Worf was wrong of him.
Problem with that is there was no solid evidence yet, and the evidence that did come up was circumstantial, though that was enough for a blockade to prevent interference in internal Klingon matters.
Don't forget that the Duras Sisters, the enemies Worf wants to take out, eventually destroy the Enterprise D in Star Trek Generations. Captain Picard got it wrong.
Worf, son of Moghron, warrior of Gow. 🤪
And his blood is not only red, but also a bit watery. (Must be all that prune juice.)
Notice how Picard decides to make the decision of non-interference and doesn't leave it to the bureaucrats. (Although of course Gowron could try the direct route, still.)
I am wondering whether Picard knew Worf would resign. His approach was so harsh, almost as if he intended to force him to make that decision.
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Picard could use some lessons in Humanity from Data! 😂...
0:47 weird hand gesture on the bottom right
Yeah I always noticed that too. Picard's hand just shooting out. Probably a mistake while filming, or Picard is like "What's this?"
@@PouchMaster That probably was barely noticeable back in the 90s on CRT TVs, that part was likely mostly cropped out with the way those CRTs often didn't show the entire image frame
Oh yeah! Old square shaped rear projection TV's! I remember those!!
@@PouchMaster Even back in the day as a kid, I thought the image quality of rear screen projection TVs looked terrible. The image was dim, blurry and often the 3 primary color channels weren't aligned properly, and the image went really dim if you weren't looking at it straight on.
I did watch this episode back in the day, now I get very strong Robert E Lee vibes from it.
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@01:31 you can see Picard emotional reaction. I do wonder what reaction Picard had, after Wolf killed Gowron in DS9?
I don’t think it’s Picard’s call whether or not to support Gowron. He should have made it clear it was a directive from The Federation
With all Picard’s acumen in macro-political situations he always seems to cause an impasse that prompts resignation.
Worf, later: I put you on that throne and I'll kick you off it again.
1:31 Picard, secretly marking out there.
I always felt that the decision whether or not to aid Gowron during the civil war was a decision that should have been made by the Federation council, not a lone starfleet captain.
Decision was already made in writing. Prime directive..
@@JoshuaKevinPerry the prime directive governs interference with pre-warp civilizations and international planetary affairs. This is an instance of an ally requesting assistance to maintain his legitimate government and maintain the stability of the alpha quadrant that the Klingon-Federation alliance has brought. Picard himself is bound by the prime directive not to interfere but the Federation council could (and should have) moved to support Gowron.
@@maximusjackassicus3042and you really think the people of the federation was really going to support that action? In order for the ufp to get in the conflict the romulans will have to openly support the opposition in public.
@@attiepollard7847 I don't know if the people of the UFP would have supported aiding Gowron in the civil war or not. I simply think that Gowron should have made an official request for aid directly to the Federation council. If he had done that I think the Federation council would have had a hard time justifying not aiding the legitimate government of the empire.
Picard is arrogant telling warf on multiple occasions his beliefs and heritage does not matter in the federation
I mean.. Picard sure did force his hand at that moment.
Let’s be honest now, Picard basically set up that response from Worf. As if he was going to say anything else at that point in time 😅
Worf could have said "Starfleet can suck it. I got more personal matters to deal with"
Now that’s a Star Trek you can set your watch to!
99% saying picard looks ao shocked...
It actually literally looks like the director told him to give different look entirely he looks sternly, then looks confused as to if he should be feeling stern or not.
Those comm badges come off way too easy.
Picard's position here didn't make sense. As Gowron states, He installed Gowron as the rightful leader of the empire and the Duras family were a rebel faction, who were known to conspire with Romulans and also murdered Kempek. This wasn't two Klingon factions both with a right to lead the Empire.
This was an illegitimate group of Klingons trying to overthrow the legitimate government and The Federation were allies by treaty.
0:47
Picard: "Receive now the traditional Klingon pat on the ass."
I hope that wasn't his pleasure hand...
Gowron ways his debts
Scenes like this always make me wonder just how that communicator pin holds onto the uniform. Is it magnetic? If so, what is it holding to; does the actor wear a metal plate behind the shirt? Or is a metal bit sewn into the underside of the shirt?
I wear neckties for church, and I usually use a pin to hold them in place. The pin has two parts; the pin itself and a round clasp. The clasp has a spring which grasps the pin. If something like that is used here, it would be awfully awkward when someone removes the communicator badge; there would be a little clasp rolling around in the actor's shirt. (likely falling onto the floor)
Velcro
Duras family? I thought his family was ruined because he failed to defeat Archer.
I know nothing about Star Trek lore.
Worf Son of Mogh is a Klingons, KLINGON !
Yah! That just happened!!
There’s no good “ in universe” reason for Picard’s refusal here. At the very least, he should have contacted Starfleet Command and relayed the situation and formal request from the leader of the Klingon Empire.
And command would have said no along with the fed council and the president.
Boss Worf.
Completely absurd, of course. Worf is chief of security of the Federation flagship. He can't just resign his commission. He is party to endless sensitive federation intelligence of all kinds and would be committing all kinds of violations of security regulations to go over to any Klingon faction. Gone are the days where officers had the option of resigning their commission at will.
Hell yeah
This scene is just before Worf's departure scene with Enterprise crew along the halls, correct?
I believe so. I was just thinking about that scene as well.
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