Why Clone Trooer "Tup" Executed ORDER 66 Early
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Clone Trooper Tup (Ct-5385) was by all records an excellent clone trooper. In his first engagement of the clone wars during the Battle of Umbara, he distinguished himself and acted courageously under fire. He even managed to help bring the rogue Jedi Pong Krell to justice. His on his way to becoming an ARC trooper and one of the finest soldiers in the 501st. But then the tragic incident on Ringo Vinda occurred. Today we take a look at how this excellent example of a clone trooper, suffered a severe mental decline and ended up executing his own commanding officer.
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Rex's resistance to killing Ashoka was amazing considering how many times he stunned her as part of Anakin's enhanced training for her.
Possibly because Pong Krell was an enemy combatant rather than just being training?
@@MasterDarthJezza That might have something to do with it. Seeing as in one case they were training, it’s possible that it didn’t hit that same neural pathway because it didn’t have the same association in the mind.
Because she also was his best friend, which would counteract that effect, and as MasterDarthJezza said, that was during training.
Sounds like he leaned to shoot her without any intend to harm...that might be an important part of his ability to resist.
Good call
He also partially resisted Ventriss' mind trick. Dude has a strong will.
Just a small correction. Wrecker wasnt just made murderous bc of the chip. Since he was there during order 66 and witnessed his team NOT execute order 66, he saw them as traitors in violation of order 66 and therefore traitors against the empire/republic and as such justified summary execution. Its all very logical oddly enough.
I was thinking that same thing. It’s the same reason why the clones start going after Rex when he starts helping Ahsoka.
Yes
@@themachomunchkin8855 Rex tried to use a loophole, but the other clones weren’t having it. Thus, Ashoka and Rex reluctantly scuttled their star Destroyer.
Rex initially tried to kill Ashoka, but then after his chip was removed he was helping her. All I’m saying is that just like wrecker and the clones tried killing the bad batch because they were traitors and refused to carry out order 66, the clones tried killing Rex because he refused to carry out order 66 by not killing and instead helping Ashoka.
@@themachomunchkin8855Don't you mean Crosshair?
I hope that they’ll delve more into the nightmares and the mission that Fives and Tup talk about during the final season of Bad Batch
One of my favorite arcs in the Clone Wars. I think there's a lot of merit to your theory, but of course it's possible that it's one of those one-in-a-million random mechanical failures that always happen with stuff like this.
Given how many clones were made, it’s remarkable that there weren’t more failures.
@@Spectacular_Insanityshows how good the cloners were at their job
I thought palpitine sent the order directly to his helm as a test
Still, you do have to admit. There HAVE to be a few more freak malfunctions, a few more dead Jedis
@@arjusarauis9901 Maybe the Clones died before they had a chance.
The biochip has gone faulty and prematurely activated Order 66 without any command from Palpatine.
I guess, Rex' order on Umbara wasn't entirely innocent either.
Rex had a textbook example of why order 66 might be a good idea. That connection might've build preexisting pathways, triggering the Chip somewhat prematurely.
Man’s just spoiled the video
I feel like order 66 could be delayed by extreme willpower and personal connection that the clone felt towards the target. Rex had both factors, plus the warning from Fives, that allowed him to resist the chip long enough so that Asoka could escape and find a solution to their problem.
Tell that to Aayla Secura. Her clones apparently loved her
@@gabrielcarrasco9078 Well there is a Legends and a Canon explanation, wich one do you wanna hear?
Rex didn't just have the warning from Fives. He also knew there was a Sith in the Senate.
@@gabrielcarrasco9078That's why they kept shooting. They didn't want her to have even a slight chance of surviving long enough to feel pain.
@@AverageMannThat's the one i know. The other?
I'd much prefer to use Occam's Razor here: his chip malfunctioned at random. There were at least 1.2m clones, probably many more, and only Tup's chip went off prematurely. If it were about something Clones experienced regularly, or an action clones could do, even by accident, then more would have experienced the same thing. If it were about firing a stun round at a Jedi, then any clone involved in Anakin's training of Ahsoka seen in Tales of the Jedi should have also experienced this malfunction. Technology is never perfect, much like biology. One or either of those two elements, coming together in the form of an inhibitor chip attached to a clone's brain, could have something just minorly defective or wrong enough to activate the Order 66 chemical release. Tup feels the effect multiple times in the run-up to his final submission to the order, so it's safe to say the malfunction released a lot of neurological signals and chemicals.
Training with an ally is very different from taking down your commander in a life and death fight.
I’m fairly certain that it wasn’t in Tales of the Jedi but in the Clone Ware saga.
I think head trauma might actually be the cause here as well. Wrecker took several hits and months of ignoring the problem, but he's not exactly normal. Tup takes some hard hits in the few instances we see him fighting, and might even have jostled himself when he tackled fives earlier, leading to the head trauma flaring up and activating the chip.
@@SanguineRokuA LOT of clones suffer head trauma all the time, though…so those are still some astronomical odds either way.
Tup’s chip was described like a tumour, and was shown to be overgrown and blackened like one by BZ. In other words, he effectively had brain cancer. And as such, the odds of his chip malfunctioning would be directly comparable to those of brain cancer; rare, highly unlikely, but far from impossible.
I didn’t remember or realize that it was Tupp who stunned Pong Krell. This makes a ton of sense. Thanks for the video.
The fact that Tupp was on Umbara and had to deal with the Pong-Krell issue probably gives this theory a lot of merit. On the other hand, Tupp wasn't the only one in this unique position, but the fact that he was the one to actually incapacitate the rogue Jedi-General is of significance.
We need to look at numbers. It's a battlefield, and surely hundreds of thousands of clones got head injuries, yet no one of them tried to kill a jedi prematurely. And only a few, if not one had to stun a jedi. So it either second, or both at the same time.
that's a good point
@@GenerationTechdogma also shot pong Krell deliberately now compare the 2
my theory is that its an EXTREMELY unlikely kind of injury, like most of the time it simply kills the person, or does nothing, it can only cause a glitch if it some specific part of the chip is damaged or something like that.
@@Minty1337 There is also the possibility of multiple causes. It could be that the greatest contributor was stunning Krell, but that lowered the threshold of what kind/how severe an injury would be needed to finish the job and cause the malfunction. It only takes a little push to topple a jenga tower if it has already become unstable.
@@Minty1337 that's a whole other rabbit whole, there's a lot of data from SOCOM of operators turning into completely different people after a head injury with no rhyme or reason depending on how the injury affected them with some going from exemplary to pathological pedos. I'm sure the same goes for regular forces, and a lot of impact sports and manual jobs but SOCOM is the best documented community apart from boxers
On 2005 Battlefront journals, the clone narrator speaks multiple times about his thoughts about the Jedi. In Mygeeto he says:
"We realized that the Jedi could br fooled. And if they could be fooled, they could be killed"
So I believe what in fact, the idea of killing Jedi was somehow being implanted in the clones brains for some time, by the chips
tricky thing about this is that bf2-2005 is legends. in legends, order 66 was more a matter of mental conditioning, while in canon it's caused by the inhibitor chips.
@@SpooglecraftNothing about 2005 BF2 501st journals mean it cannot fit. Mind you we are listening it from a Veteran Clone. So there is a possibility that some Clones in the 501st had a dislike to certain Jedi and often were the most loyal.
@@Spooglecraft I don't agree with Disney anyway. Their canon means nothing
@@RigbyWildeThe chips were already being planned before Disney bought Star Wars.
@@RigbyWilde Pre-Disney. Was to do with Lucas and Filoni more than them.
I wish it didn’t have to end deadly for fives 😢
Fives’ death was so tragic. He died thinking no one believed him.
Rex believed him afterwards. He dug into it and kept notes. When Order 66 was executed, he struggled and told Asoka what to look for before the chip fully took control of him.
It still baffles me why didnt the CG didnt just stun fives or maybe shoot the pistol out of his hand than go for the stun
It is cool when SW turns a bit dark though. His death was heart felt for me, I honestly had tears in my eyes. Same when 99 sacrificed himself. Or when your team member sev goes MIA in the republic commando game. I really liked the dark and gritty style of Andor and Rogue one also.
@@androxtempest3913cause A) Fives was going to Probably going to get Executed anyway by The Chanclor
B) Commander Fox had orders to shoot
C) they (creators of clone wars) obviously wants us to cry and be sad
I think i remember seeing a clip right before the hunt for Pong Krell where Tup was twitching a little erratically, not too badly but it was enough for me to take notice, especially after a rewatch.
Wasn’t Tup arrested or something at the end of the battle of umbara?
@@ezzie218 I believe that was Dogma, who was taken into custody.
@@Dragon22159 oh yeah I think your right
I always had a feeling this was why it happened. I couldn't confirm it at the time but it made sense to me that he was affected by the prior battle. Glad I'm not the only one who thought this.
Interestingly, the other theories can easily be disproved but this one can't, at least not as easily. I'm only aware of one other clone who notably shot a Jedi prior to Order 66: Dogma. He was taken into Republic custody and never seen again, so we don't know if he reacted the same way (or if he was even alive to do so).
Fox might have shot Ahsoka when he arrested her, I can't quite remember, but he was also much older than Tup.
Which makes Rex's resistance to killing Ashoka even more epic.
Remember: Anakin had Rex and a group of other clones specifically target Ashoka in her "special" combat training that he cooked up.
Rex had shot at and stunned Ashoka so many times by that point that when Order 66 dropped he "should have" simply capped Ashoka like Cad Bane would have.
@@edwardsmith7131 True! Although the fact that they knew it was training possibly makes it a different story, since Krell was treated as an actual enemy at the time.
It’s possible Dogma became Clone X from the Bad Batch series. His broken faith in the Jedi could potentially be manipulated to becoming even more fanatical for other, darker causes.
@@GGBlasterthis seems likely.
I've heard it implied that Fox's squad had Order 66 turned on and off by Sidious.
The clones chip is like a motherboard when there is a command it is carried out, it resets and that's why the clones went back to normal after order 66
This makes sense. I am also inclined to believe that Palpatine wasn’t completely making things up when he mentioned the parasite, but was obfuscating as the parasite was obviously not the cause of Fives’ death.
The episode clearly states that Tup’s chip was black and rotting. It was indicated in the story arc that the defective chip was the reason Tup executed the Jedi/order 66 early. You could have saved yourself years of brooding by logging that information into your head. 😊
I remember somewhere in the TV show that that Keminoans had to “stretch” Jango Ferris DNA. This would obviously lead to an increase in mutations, defects, etc as the source material would be degraded. Tup was a newer clone, so perhaps he had a defect, which maybe rejected the chip, causing it to decay
That makes a lot of sense. Tup likely had more mutations which weren't entirely accounted for
More questions worth investigating:
Do the Orders operate if given by anyone other than Darth Sidious? If he had appeared in the holo messages as Chancellor Palpatine would they still have initiated?
Does the contingency for clones to arrest the Chancellor operate as simply a bluff should they be discovered, or was it a plan for if Palpatine was removed from power that he could have the clones arrest the new chancellor and he could resume his position? Or did he have his own concerns about his ability to lead his own empire such that he could use this Order to remove himself if he felt compromised?
In the vador comics, a jedi that the inquisitors and vador was hunting gave the purge troopers order 66 which at the time were clone troopers and they attacked the inquisitors and vader
@@mr_ghost.7785yes, though the Jedi additionally used mind trick to do so.
It’s possible that Palpatine had more than a few contingency plans, should his plan go awry. And there were a few occasions when either one of his (lesser) plans failed or when a setback occurred. Padme’s efforts for peace, the Zillo Beast, and Tup are just a few examples of when things weren’t 100% in Palpatine’s favor.
If I were half the criminal mastermind Palpatine was, I would have backup plans for my backup plans.
A jedi could execute order 66 by mind controling a clone and activating the chips, in the comics where a inquisitor was huntng a jedi, he was able to mind control the purge troopers (at this time, they are clones) in executing order 66 on the inquisitor and in return, unnaliving the inquisitor.
@@GGBlaster, and Palpatine had backup plans for his backup plans for his backup plans. There's a reason why this guy is the greatest villain in all of fiction.
6:34 My guess is that it's one of those cases where everyone thinks "Well, no one has died from a strange disease on that planet for a thousand years so it sure as hell won't happen again" or "it's more likely to happen to someone else that me".
the only problem with this theory i see is the fact, that tup was not the only clone to have shot/stunned a jedi yet was the only one we know of, whose inhibitor chip failed
I think that the clones all having the same nightmares was the key to Order 66 being so lethal. I think we've all had nightmares that stayed with us for quite some time. I would cal this PTSD for the clones but it appeared to have been pre-programmed into their skulls.
Well, he stunned Pong Krell and was likely actually affected by something in that station.
Edit: a waste of a good new soldier.
I think your choice of theories is correct. If so their is an implication that another Clone probably activated the chip early as well. Dogma was arrested for executing Pong Krell, not just stunning him, we never see Dogma after this but he probably wouldn't have lasted any longer than Tup.
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Possibly. The idea that his chip fired early because it had been primed by having to deal with Pong Krell's treachery is certainly a compelling theory.
That said, given that the neural inhibitor chip is designed to seamlessly integrate itself and its program into the single most complex system in the entire Grand Army of the Republic, I'm inclined to think that it was simply a faulty chip, and Tup was just unlucky enough to have it go off during combat when a Jedi was present.
I mean, he certainly doesn't act like the other Clone Troopers when their chips are activated. They carried out their orders with the same sense of tactics and precision they did everything else: fighter pilots flying in combat, armor crewmen running self-propelled field guns, infantry taking firing-squad positions and letting the Jedi open the distance for them, that sort of thing, all with no loss of combat efficiency, just different targets. Tup, on the other hand, completely spaces out: he mumbles to himself, takes his helmet off, leaves cover, and walks in a haze towards his target, all during a blistering firefight. He still had the inhibitor chip rewire his IFF to retarget the Jedi as hostile, but there was clearly some serious neurological backfiring going on that the other clones' chips never caused.
Not exactly. The clones are shown to be a lot more reckless under Order 66. They practically throw themselves at the Jedi in spots.
@@carlycrays2831, the clones definitely have an almost suicidal committment to executing Order 66 (possibly because of the inhibitor chips suppressing their self-preservation instincts), but they do still make smart tactical moves when dealing with the Jedi. For example, when Rex was under the influence of the chip, he was smart enough to order his men to destroy Tribunal's escape pods and seal off the hangar to prevent Ahsoka from escaping the ship, so clearly Tup's trance-like state when he killed Tiplar is something unique.
Order 66 had 2 commands inside it. The main command, obviously, was "Kill all Jedi". The second command was "Kill anyone violating or defying Order 66"
Why didn't the Kaminoins give themselves gills
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I’ve wondered about this same question for years; You’re explanation is the best answer I’ve heard and found!
speaking of krell why didnt he kill rex, fives and jesse it would of made sense if he wanted to make the 501 have massive casualties and thinking about it would appo take over in rex's place
Remember when the clones were conditioned to follow Order 66 rather than programed? Then you didn't have to solve all of this to know how they betrayed the Jedi or disobeyed orders.
I swear, I loved the Clone Wars, but this particular concept they introduced with the chips was perhaps the worst thing they did. Completely destroyed the emotional connection between the clones and Jedi, and turned what both the Jedi and clones viewed as a monstrous betrayal into a bunch of brainwashed zombies gunning down their Jedi officers because they couldn't help themselves.
@@yeetlydiscreetlyThey sort of had to do it. I mean, Rex would never try and hurt Ahsoka. And if he can't hurt a Jedi, then that creates narrative problems
One of the best Clone Wars ARCs
arc and ARC i see what you're doing there
I had always kinda figured it was a reference to TBI / repeated TBI in an attempt to bring awareness to it vis a vis our troops
I always thought it was just that one in a billion chance of a malfunction... but this theory actually makes a lot of sense.
Tup was just doing a pro gamer move
R.i.p. tup, a true soldier of the republic.
Amazing theory and makes something I’ve always wondered about before make a lot more sense. Thank you!
The conscious activation plus a minor bump on the head might have been a combination to activate order 66 in Tup. It wasn't activated until after he saved Fives where he hit the deck heavily.
My bet is that the hard hit cmgave him a brain injury, which triggered an immune response, which triggered his body to see the chip as a threat. Which damaged the chip further and which, in turn, caused even more brain damage
That kinda makes me think that obi-Wans’s clone unit resisted the order as long as they could firing there first shot and knocking him down from the wall but knowing he’s a Jedi only a Jedi could survive that fall.
Short answer: he got fed up of being killed by Anakin’s retribution
You also missed the conversation where several of the clones had Geanosian larva as mind control parasites in your section on proof of a per-existing neural pathway. It's also important as I believe it is the first instance in the show of the involuntary statement of good soldiers follow orders, which is probably a more general part of the clone conditioning but was an important indicator of cognitive dissonance.
I just finished watching this arc
There's such a big jump in ciNematogRapHY starting S6
I haven’t watched the vid yet but my theory was it was Krell related. He was the one that stunned Krell on Umbara, I thought that maybe him attacking a Jedi and defeating him without order 66 being active somehow did something to the chip.
My guess is that Palpatine whispered through the force to Tupp to execute Order 66. He was simply using him as a test run to see if his chips are working properly, which it did. The chip appeared to be rotten when it could actually be what the chip looks like after the order had been executed. Fives, who didn't execute it looked healthy.
I suspect that the chip works similar to the way cockroaches can be remote controlled even after death
The more likely option would be that clones are condition from the moment of their "birth" and the inhibitor chip just keeps the conditioning inhibited. This would also explain the nightmares since while dreaming the concious and subconcious mind are more strongly connected.
"The nightmares" the Clones refer to could also just be a consistent PTSD that they are bred with.
I mean after all you're conditioned for warfare, no other means of touching grass at times, and you're also given an inhibitor chip to make sure you don't fly off the handle without specific orders.
For all we know Tup's brain just broke due to the war and the chip malfunctioning at that time just made it worse.
Its a sad notion to consider: being bred to have dreams and nightmares like that your entire life, an accelerated life as well.
It is speculated that the dreams were essentially the background programming for Order 66 manifesting as dreams.
I think you're absolutely correct on this one
I think it was somewhat triggered when Krell threw Tup but there could have been many battles after that where he could have gotten head injuries
Yeah, and the thing is, a lot of clones suffered brain damage, but most of them likely died before this could be triggered.
This is the most closure I have had for this series haha
You should reach out to Roanoke Gaming and do a colab on the inhibitor chips, it really up both your alleys. His micro biology knowledge I think would shed some fascinating light on the topic. For instance it seems to me like part of the inhibitor chips function temporarily disabled the frontal lobe which is the mechanism that allows us to inhibit our own behaviors this creating the irresistible order.
Yeah, that's actually a good idea.
He should do that with Elon Musk; he is actually developing chips to go in human brains.
@@marksecker6606I mean, it wouldn't be the absolute worst business decision Musk has made this year but that's admittedly a fairly low bar
@@carlycrays2831He is still the richest and most infulantial people in the world. You really think you could do any better?
@@marksecker6606 I think I'm doing better right now, yeah. At least I'm not putting X's on everything like I'm Professor X
The Chinese order 66 got me rolling 😂
Interesting, never thought of it from that perspective.
Damn now I'm depressed to see fives die again 😭😭
6:35 Like how is it that so many planets and moons, which have a completely non-diverse surface (like ice planets or desert planets) have a breathable atmosphere? Also gravity, we’ve never had a single canon mention of differences in gravity between planets. I have had a theory about this. I think that many of the planets in Star Wars were terraformed or partially terraformed.
One explanation, and probably the simplest is simply brain cancer. If I remember correctly in that episode they show the chips side by side. You can clearly see what I'm assuming are meant to be tumors on tupp's. It makes sense as the original genetic material runs out, the chances that an unwanted mutation occurs is more likely.
Imagine what good could be accomplished with the Kaminoans’ knowledge of the human mind. Addictions, disorders, trauma and more could be treated in whole new ways. Imagine having some mental condition and, instead of going to a psychologist, you see a neurosurgeon.
And of course, imagine what harm could be done as well. Freedoms robbed, identities erased. Encroachment of the mind, instead of its enlightenment.
It would be a beautiful, yet terrifying technology.
I would say that you might be right. That’s some insane inspiration right there.
The real reason is he had an aneurysm when he was told that order 66 had been dumbed down to being a magic murder tumor instead of clever manipulation by Palpatine.
Interesting theory but heres a thing, wouldn't Umbara fight against Krell affect on every other clone too? not just Tup. Like Rex who ultimatly gave order or arrest him, order hes excecution and Dogma who then shot him.
I believe that a clone was calling Tupe during the battle and Palpatine was practicing his order 66 lines.
It's not just feels that rude chemicals memories are chemical imprints. Activating neurons activate my chemicals light. The chips even have no organic parts light disc so it's program. And by the way photos are chemical in prints
Awesome theory!
I figured this out about two 2 years ago so it's nice to see people trying g to figure this one out
So many different clues that contributed to Order 66. Yet, the Jedi were so blind to them all.
Imagine if Krell or Dexter's species met Mr plinket as the only human. They'd think humans don't make good Jedi based on body type
If I remember the show correctly, tup was kidnapped by the separatist, so maybe what the separatist did to him may have caused the premature termination of order 66
But why? And none of the other CIS agents mention this
I always thought he suffered some minor head trauma when he pushed Fives aside in the hallway, and then slowly the chip started to act through. But this explanation also has merrit
It seems more like Tup was having headaches in the lead up even to that.
Wrecker was still obeying order 66 when he snapped. Everyone there were actively disobeying the clause.🎅
Not just that, but it was triggered by Hunter bragging to Rex that they had saved a Jedi
Well, one of the things that we see is that the 'chip' that we is the actual one pulled from Tup, is diseased and almost cancerous looking compared to the ones we see removed from Cody, the Bad Batch, the one we're shown as a semi false lead at the start. Being a later generation clone with degraded genetics, given that the chip would need to be compatible with his biology given that the 'chip' is itself biological. It'd likely come from the same batch of tissue. A mutation in the chip started to cause issues even if he perhaps had a disposition that might have leaned towards being more susceptible to it's other purposes as well as it started to degrade and mutate. Perhaps even not long after it had been implanted. Nothing is going to go right 100% of the time no matter the skills of the creators. Especially when considering all things biological. Problems will crop up. Even if to much much less minor degrees.
The only thing that makes me think twice about this theory is if it was slow suggestion process, why would control instantly return upon removal... or do you think maybe a chemical or something like that also acts as a pavlovian trigger which is why the chip has to be present to continue the process? I'm just thinking through the keyboard right now.
Totally makes sense!
7:46 Wrecker calls them traitors to the Empire, similar to what Crosshair had said earlier, and that’s why they’re targets.
Good point
Imagine if Tup had killed Anakin rather than Tiplar, it would have changed a lot
Unfortunately, Anakin's the exception to Order 66 as he was able to march into the Jedi Temple with a whole army of Order 66 clones helping him. I think that's why Tup never went after Anakin, because Palpatine planned on turning Anakin into Darth Vader, he programmed Order 66 so that Anakin and himself are the only Force users that the clones don't target.
Now, if Anakin never turned to the Dark Side, that would have changed a lot, because not only would there not be a Darth Vader and Anakin would be on the Rebels' side, he'd survive Order 66 much easier than the other Jedi because he's not an Order 66 target.
@@SeanWheeler100 honestly, I've got to disagree with that, I wouldn't think the chips could be selective enough that they were designed to target every jedi except one
Also I think palpatine wouldn't have left that weakness in his army, just for the chance that anakin didn't betray the jedi
@@Agarricus Then why didn't Tup act aggressive towards Anakin? Why did he only target Tiplar and Tiplee?
@@SeanWheeler100same reason it was Tiplar and not Tiplee, my guess would be because she was the closest, and had a moment of defenslessnes from his angle
@@Agarricus Tiplee wasn't so defenseless when she pushed him back.
Interesting stuff, but wasn’t it mentioned that Tup mysteriously went missing for a while(“five rotations”) before reappearing.
We don't really know what that means. It could be that he hit his head during that time.
Congratulations Generation Tech! CBR has an article focusing on this very video. Maybe they or another website like Screenrant or The Gamer will also take note of you!
It's one of those days when Star Wars makes more sense than stuff like the Halo TV series.
I think the final option makes more sense since the other two have flaws that kind of seen major to me.
Like I think Wreckers case only occurred because of the order already being activated since surely we would have heard some other cases about clones gunning down their Jedi after receiving head trauma. sort of same reason why the younger generation of clones also doesn't work either.
Through hypnosis, one can induce falses memories, so the comparison is not far fetched.
The answer is the Clone Wars Season 6 Episode 4 where Palpatine says that a parasite known to Ringo Vinda caused the inhibitor chip to decay and fail, causing Tup to prematurely execute Order 66.
no wrecker heard hunter tell rex that he didn't follow order 66 and that is what set him in a murderous rampage when the chip was having an effect
because everyone around him was in violation of that order
Subconscious conditioning is how many sleeper agents are created. When someone is awake and aware, they can resist, based on their moral compass. When drugged or sleeping, one's defenses are down. Slow and steady pushing, at these times, can bend a subject to your will. Eventually, you have a complete, second psychological profile, beneath the surface, keyed to a post-hypnotic trigger. The command word/phrase turns that key.
I’m SHOCKED that NO ONE has mentioned “Inception” (the Christopher Nolan movie), considering that the ENTIRE PLOT of that movie is about planting an idea in the brain!
@@augiegirl1 excellent call-out! You're exactly right.
i think the subconsious sleeping thingy makes a lotta sense (even though i cant say it right xD) and also makes me think back to when dogma shot krell. if tups actions started by stunning a jedi and ending that bad what couldve happened after dogma KILLED krell. very interesting take thanks for makin the vid! God bless
Super believable and makes sense on the theory. 12:07
The phrase《Execute order 66》 is probably coded to Palpatine's voice
Though we never got to see him in anyway after his initial showings Im not sure that this holds true simply because of Dogma, as he actually killed Pong Krell, not to mention that Dooku and Ventress are both former Jedi and a lot of clones shot at them throughout the war (Ahsoka thoigh she didnt turn to the dark side was also a former Jedi and was still subject to order 66). The mutation theory seems more plausible, the chip was made of organic components and coulve developed a sort of cancer that caused its deterioration
what about the clone that actually killed Pong Krell, Dogma was it? i wonder what happened to him, regarding both the court marshal and about his inhibitor chip :)
During the worm brain invaders episode, one of the worm possessed clones says to Ahsoka Bariss, "If there's one thing we clones know, it's how to kill a Jedi!"
So it the anti-Jedi sentiment was definitely already implanted, albeit with great subtlety
I hate that the order 66 joke had me wheezing 😂
I save my fast food recipes that are Order 66. Crazy how it happens quit often.
His trip was decaying too
Lol I just finished watching this arc, good timing
I would like to point out that they compared the Clone Tupps chip to a healthy version. The chip showed a severe degradation. Since the chip was a foreign organic entity, I interpret this to mean the chip was linked biologically to the Fett DNA. However, the clone was not genetically close to the Primary donar. When clones are made in batches and built with something that wasn't supposed to be identified, this can cause major problems. There will always be an abnormality or mutation the further the clones are made without the donar. the Bad Batch was one such unit that had different mutations. Who is to say that Tupps body was rejecting the chip because he wasn't an accurate match.
Or it was just a freak immune response and his body was attacking the chip, thus causing the near constant seizure?
@@carlycrays2831 I was thinking the same thing
I was kind of referencing the time when wrecker’s chip was giving him headaches similar to that of Tupps symptoms as the body rejecting the foreign chip as if it were a parasite or virus
And this all lead back to the Battle of Umbara once again. If Anakin did not being call back, then I guess Tup will not executed Order 66 prematurely. But the point here is that why was Anakin being called back in the first place? After all, we never know the reason. And it's not like Palpatine decided to set Pong Krell up in the first place because even if he knows that Pong Krell has fallen to the Dark Side, he has no way of knowing that Pong Krell is going to ended up being killed for real.
Anakin was called back anytime Palpatine felt that there was a situation where Anakin might be in too much danger. I wouldn't be surprised if he could sense Krell's darkness. It isn't lost on me that he left Obi-Wan there.
@@TaraCicora But this is a big gamble here. From all of the battles, risking losing Umbara to the Separatists is unwise from Palpatine's calculation. If what you said is correct, which definitely have some merits, he was basically stuck between choosing Anakin and Umbara here. After all, he had no idea whatsoever that Pong Krell will ended up getting killed, let alone by the clones. And if the Separatists won, it will become his own undoing because this actually giving Count Dooku the means to betray him by politically pressuring Kashyyyk into seceding to the Separatists in order to bring goods to the Wookies there. And the secession of Kashyyyk will led to many more worlds in the Mid-Rim to secede as a result.
@@lerneanlion You are right. but everything he did was a gamble, but he also had been micromanaging his pawns for so long that he could afford to do it. Umbara was unimportant, at this stage of the war Dooku is still toeing the line, Palpatine has a gift for breaking his apprentices to be totally complacent to him, hence his hubris when it came to Luke during ROTJ. If the Seppies 'won' he would still win, since he is controlling both sides but in all likelihood, he wouldn't allow it. He would continue to draw things out to further cripple both the Republic and the Seppies. Also, Krell is just another pawn, if he lives then Palpatine uses him against the Jedi. The only thing that he was hoping for (and didn't get) was Obi-Wan dying. His contingencies have contingencies, all that mattered at this point was protecting his investment.
@@TaraCicora Wait! Hold on! Why won't he be concerned about the possible secession of Kashyyyk and the majority of the worlds in the Mid-Rim? Sure, Naboo might still stick around but many planets in the Mid-Rim looked at Kashyyyk as example when it comes to politics. And if the Separatists won at Umbara and Kashyyyk and many more planets in the Mid-Rim seceded, then the Operation: Durge's Lance will be a lot bloodier and more violent. Heck, it might even given the Separatists an actual foothold in the Core Worlds. What can Palpatine do by that point? To hold the campaign back will drawn suspicious from Grievous and the Separatist Council. But if the Republic responded too well and appeared to be very well prepared for this Separatists' offensive, it will drawn the suspicious of the Senate and the Jedi as well. The point here is that he is going to be stuck between capitulate to the Separatists demands and immediately prepared the defense of the Core Worlds that needed to be done without drawing suspicion from the Jedi and the Senate if the Separatists won at Umbara and Kashyyyk seceded along with a vast number of the worlds in the Mid-Rim. Not to mention that Naboo, his homeworld, might be put under siege and even subjected to the sacking in order to humiliate him and Senator Amidala as well.
They give machine conscious
Hmm, it has potential, but how would this work with entire regiments firing at red lightsabers and former Jedi like Dooku, Ventress, and Ashoka.
actually they have to hear someone say "execute order 66" not just order 66
Ive seen nobody mention the title.
"Why Clone Trooer"