ON NARCISSISM. Return to Freud (23)
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This is the 23rd workshop "returning to" the original Freudian texts. Here we cover:
- On Narcissism (1914)
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So much insight here. Such a rich explication of Freud. So now I'm at the 20 minute mark. When I was in analysis, I developed a very strong transference, "fell in love" with my analyst, as it were. I asked my analyst the question, "Is this all I'm going to do through my analysis, talk about you?" He said, "If you do, it will be a good analysis." What was going on here? My narcissistic libido was being DRAWN OUT into the world (toward my analyst). He was helping to PULL MY LIBIDO OUT OF THE NARCISSISTIC POSITION. And her barely talked (the analysts in the old says were very disciplined). It was my own DESIRE to release my libido into the world: to overcome the "damming up of libido," which as Cadell says, is very painful. On the other hand, I once met and went out of a lady who happened to be one of his patience (not psychically determined, I don't think). Was kind of shocked when I was with her and discovered this. She told me he talked to her a lot.
When I got back to the couch, I asked him about this. How come so much conversation with her, and so little with me? He said (and he rarely talked so much) that she was severely disturbed, the talk was necessary to pull her out of a potentially psychotic state. With me, just an ordinary neurotic, trying to free myself from repression, my libido just naturally flowed outward. He didn't have to encourage it. I was longing to be released from the pain of narcissism.
OK, I need to take a break. A little too much effort. It's 9:pm. This is usually the time for some narcissistic withdrawal. Thanks for continuing to read my Newsletter, Cadell. By the way, 15 people have signed up to participate in my CONSORTIUM/THINK-TANK ON COLLECTIVE FORMS OF VIOLENCE. My head is reeling. So much reality, so suddenly, after years of isolation. Have to get used to it.
Very excellent! I'm at the 12 minute mark now. One might suggest that there is a dialectical relationship between narcissistic libido and object relation oriented libido. Libido goes out into the world to cathect objects, but then withdraws to protect the self--from losing the self in the object. It's a kind of self-defensive move. Too much love can drive a man crazy (what's that song?). The ego needs to preserve its own integrity. Back to the self, withdrawal of libido, self-preservation.
great presentation ! would love more of these
As for Buddha, he was the biggest narcissist of them all. You will recall that it was when he became aware of OLD PEOPLE that he decided to meditate. Like a petulant reaction: if I'm going to die, why should I bother to do anything at all. Narcissistic withdrawal: protection against the pain of reality. Everyone needs that narcissistic withdrawal from time and time (maybe even twice a day). But this is different from permanent withdrawal. What did Freud say, MAN CAN TAKE JUST SO MUCH REALITY.
Another narcissistic dimension of object relations revolves around the loss and the fear of loss. One reaches out to the object--then internalizes the object...so that the object exists within the self (the object relationship becomes a form of narcissism). This is the essence of masturbation: the object may be absent, but the object comes to reside within the self. A masturbation fantasy, essentially, is the narcissistic possession of an external object in the form of an IMAGE of the object inside the self. Did not succeed with the beautiful Mia Hernandez, no matter how hard I tried, but she was with me. What was the name of the group that sang that song: "It's true, you know you're with me all the time...no matter where you are." Now we move on beginning with 12 minutes. So much richness in this presentation of Freud.
What do you call it when someone idealizes another person from afar. Kind of creates a dreamworld within ones self about a desired object, but does not reach out to it? Keeping the desire hidden from everyone Else including the desired idealized person?
This makes sense
u da man
As for female narcissism, of course, a beautiful woman. One girl I knew (Haquifa Brown) says that when she took the subway to go to school from Bronx to Manhattan...she get approached about four times on every subway trip (she was reading CIVILIZATION AND ITS DISCONTENTS when I met her, to my amazement). And that wise song, "Girls can get it (any time they want)....men are always in the mood." Focus on her BEING. Men will pursue beauty.
As if the unconditional compassion of Buddhism equates to arrogance and delusion.
Pardon for interrupting, did Freud ever cure anyone?
He was addicted to cocaine. I doubt he cured himself.
Very interesting many thanks 🙏
Can someone explain this about narcissism in a single sentence 😂