Wow, in awe of how you do open heart surgery on these radios… and all the conversation replies, it’s like a new language to me! Hoped to see why my almost identical radio (hardly used) won’t switch on at all. Was parked in the guest room, on battery power but not mains. After a while saw the red dot sb light had gone dim. Changed the batteries, also plugged in, but dead as a dodo. Anyone think it’s fixable? Thanks
This is 'Right to Repair' in a nutshell, all we ask is that companies make the parts available at reasonable prices and we'll do it ourselves, great work and interesting video....cheers.
Nice save of what appears to be a quite nice radio. Kudos to Roberts for their remarkably reasonable spare parts supply. It’s companies like these that we should all be supporting and spreading the good word of mouth.
Good on Roberts for taking a sensible approach to what is essentially a brand new product that would have under normal circumstances ended up in a land fill...
well done, my £200 Roberts is stuck with the orginal DAB and could not be upgraded to DAB+. Still works with some stations but not all. I suppose that’s the problem when you buy in to a new service with early hardware, they don’t know where it will go in the future. Plus it most likely more hardware than soft
@@sdgelectronics It's much the same as the move from DVB-T (Freeview) to DVB-T2 (Freeview HD). Stronger error correction, a codec invented some time after the 1980s (from MPEG-1/2 layer 2 to HE-AAC), and so on. Time marches on - we've had DAB+ capable hardware on the market for at least ten years after all.
@@jb5631 I expect the chipset will drive the PCB layout so it might be quite different. but i'll have a look in side just in case. thanks for the idea.
Hi there! I'm working on repairing an iStream3 where the power button doesn't work (same rotary encoder as you're working with, I'm pretty sure.) Volume works OK, though. I am located in the USA, so ordering the replacement encoder from Roberts will cost a pretty penny in shipping. Were you able to find a compatible part at all that is available from Mouser (or another supplier)?
Could you please tell me which wire it is inside a Roberts RecordR is the one that represents the scan mute? Obviously on FM mode when you scan it mutes the white noise sound between stations while it's scanning, I need to know which wire or component it is that does this on the circuit board. If you could help that would be fantastic
Nice fix...but even though the encoder terminal solder connections appeared good did you simply reflow them to see if that resolved the issue? I'm sure it probably would not have but that would have been an even easier fix if that was in fact the issue.
I used to repair Roberts radios for the Wireless for the Blind Fund. I learnt to hate them as they always had something wrong with the sound. A sort of hidden distortion that gave me a headache when listening to them for more than a few minutes. I am sure now they are a modern design that they will have fixed that problem. Are they still making them in the UK? The only manufacturer left I would guess. They used to be in south west London I thought but this set is labelled as Yorkshire. I like the vintage styling and hope it sounds better now..
Nice repair. If I was spending that much on a radio, though, I wouldn't expect a mechanical encoder. Roberts so often does stuff that's almost very good, but some corner is cut somewhere.
Those encoders frequently fail, is my experience, usually by sending seemingly random pulses. Turning slowly clockwise then sometimes becomes turning anti-clockwise at high speed (or the other way around). Depending on the application, this can make you deaf or it can zap your prototype :(. I never found a clear cause either when examining them.
The high speed is due to contact bounce. Encoder feel is highly dependent on the software routine that is processing it, if it was poorly done, as the encoder ages and gets dirty, response will get worse. Probably not the case here as there was no response.
Great video with a very professional approach to fault finding. I've a couple of RD 60 chassis which need repaired (beyond my skill level ) would you know of anyone?
That 4.7k resistor value seems odd.......99.9% of the time it's 2 pairs of resistors and a couple of filter caps. Cant see why the A channel would be any different to the B channel.
Huh, didn't know Roberts sold spare parts. Would have been useful when I wanted to repair an old radio a while back. The small custom-sized mains transformer had failed open-circuit. Instead I bodged in a DC barrel jack and run it off an old phone charger.
Pah! That's not a repair. You cheated by just ordering a new encoder instead of repairing it 🙂. Seriously though, nice job. It's very gratifying getting a bargain and saving a perfectly good item from landfill because of the throwaway society we live in. One of the perks of knowledge. I've fixed a few of these problems on bargain basement items just by disassembling the encoder and tweaking the fingers up a tad.
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Wow, in awe of how you do open heart surgery on these radios… and all the conversation replies, it’s like a new language to me! Hoped to see why my almost identical radio (hardly used) won’t switch on at all. Was parked in the guest room, on battery power but not mains. After a while saw the red dot sb light had gone dim. Changed the batteries, also plugged in, but dead as a dodo. Anyone think it’s fixable? Thanks
This is 'Right to Repair' in a nutshell, all we ask is that companies make the parts available at reasonable prices and we'll do it ourselves, great work and interesting video....cheers.
Squeak and the parts shall arrive. :-)
@@TheEmbeddedHobbyist I wish ! ...cheers.
Nice save of what appears to be a quite nice radio. Kudos to Roberts for their remarkably reasonable spare parts supply. It’s companies like these that we should all be supporting and spreading the good word of mouth.
Really impressed by Roberts supplying spares - next time I buy a radio I'm going for one of theirs!
Sounds like Roberts Radio support "Right To Repair". Great video Steve, thanks for sharing.
Extremely positive step from manufacturer to help repair.
Good on Roberts for taking a sensible approach to what is essentially a brand new product that would have under normal circumstances ended up in a land fill...
They should make an all season outdoor use wireless for use in the garden, allotment, building site, sentry post including when it's raining.
Really enjoyed watching your repair video, thank you for taking the time to explain what some of the semiconductors do as well.
Nice looking retro style radio......and seems pretty good quality construction considering. Nice repair.
Hey Ian, Caught you here. Greeting ☀
Easy repair but really nice explanation and analysis of how the radio is built. i enjoyed it 👍
Nice video. Impressing that they send out spare parts on component level.
Nice sharing, Steve 👍
Full marks to Roberts 🏆🥇
I prefer repair videos! Thank you
well done, my £200 Roberts is stuck with the orginal DAB and could not be upgraded to DAB+.
Still works with some stations but not all. I suppose that’s the problem when you buy in to a new service with early hardware, they don’t know where it will go in the future. Plus it most likely more hardware than soft
I was unaware that there were incompatibilities with original DAB equipment. Pretty rubbish if that's the case!
@@sdgelectronics It's much the same as the move from DVB-T (Freeview) to DVB-T2 (Freeview HD). Stronger error correction, a codec invented some time after the 1980s (from MPEG-1/2 layer 2 to HE-AAC), and so on. Time marches on - we've had DAB+ capable hardware on the market for at least ten years after all.
If the PCB layout is not too different; maybe you can buy the 'replacement' part that will upgrade yours to DAB+
@@jb5631 I expect the chipset will drive the PCB layout so it might be quite different. but i'll have a look in side just in case. thanks for the idea.
thanks for the good video how strong is your soldering tip???
It looked like a very thick Metcal tip for thru hole soldering. It's solid and should withstand the bending of the thin prong
Have you tried to remove the handles, it's fasteners from the case? Could it be a way to open it?
Hi there! I'm working on repairing an iStream3 where the power button doesn't work (same rotary encoder as you're working with, I'm pretty sure.) Volume works OK, though. I am located in the USA, so ordering the replacement encoder from Roberts will cost a pretty penny in shipping. Were you able to find a compatible part at all that is available from Mouser (or another supplier)?
Could you please tell me which wire it is inside a Roberts RecordR is the one that represents the scan mute? Obviously on FM mode when you scan it mutes the white noise sound between stations while it's scanning, I need to know which wire or component it is that does this on the circuit board. If you could help that would be fantastic
Trying to repair one of these and I cannot find a schematic anywhere. Static noise on all audio inputs.
Nice fix...but even though the encoder terminal solder connections appeared good did you simply reflow them to see if that resolved the issue? I'm sure it probably would not have but that would have been an even easier fix if that was in fact the issue.
.... Excellent, Well done Mate, ('PURE' DAB+ run and hide if you mention spare parts).
I used to repair Roberts radios for the Wireless for the Blind Fund. I learnt to hate them as they always had something wrong with the sound. A sort of hidden distortion that gave me a headache when listening to them for more than a few minutes. I am sure now they are a modern design that they will have fixed that problem. Are they still making them in the UK? The only manufacturer left I would guess. They used to be in south west London I thought but this set is labelled as Yorkshire. I like the vintage styling and hope it sounds better now..
Nice repair. If I was spending that much on a radio, though, I wouldn't expect a mechanical encoder. Roberts so often does stuff that's almost very good, but some corner is cut somewhere.
can you show more of that desolder gun vs other ones
Yes i would also like to know the brand / model.
Those encoders frequently fail, is my experience, usually by sending seemingly random pulses. Turning slowly clockwise then sometimes becomes turning anti-clockwise at high speed (or the other way around). Depending on the application, this can make you deaf or it can zap your prototype :(.
I never found a clear cause either when examining them.
The high speed is due to contact bounce. Encoder feel is highly dependent on the software routine that is processing it, if it was poorly done, as the encoder ages and gets dirty, response will get worse.
Probably not the case here as there was no response.
Great video with a very professional approach to fault finding. I've a couple of RD 60 chassis which need repaired (beyond my skill level ) would you know of anyone?
Good fix
That 4.7k resistor value seems odd.......99.9% of the time it's 2 pairs of resistors and a couple of filter caps. Cant see why the A channel would be any different to the B channel.
My guess is shared function for the Verona 2 module, possibly JTAG or some other interface
Huh, didn't know Roberts sold spare parts. Would have been useful when I wanted to repair an old radio a while back. The small custom-sized mains transformer had failed open-circuit. Instead I bodged in a DC barrel jack and run it off an old phone charger.
Neither did I, I just asked on the off chance if they had a part number for the encoder so I could find an exact replacement.
Great!! 👍🏻 Can You repair mine ?? 😂
Nice positive click encoder, could be useful in arduino projects or other encoder repairs.
Pah! That's not a repair. You cheated by just ordering a new encoder instead of repairing it 🙂. Seriously though, nice job. It's very gratifying getting a bargain and saving a perfectly good item from landfill because of the throwaway society we live in. One of the perks of knowledge. I've fixed a few of these problems on bargain basement items just by disassembling the encoder and tweaking the fingers up a tad.
Too much talk!