I've already seen a few comments on this but in regards to the moria game I swapped 3 tanks, the other options such as orisa or sig are shut down by their sym I do not blame him for just PLAYING moria I blame him for being the first dead every fight and wasting most of her ults
Why didn't you show the Moria point of view when she die? That would had help your case. Also your Moria wasn't the only one on your team suck. The whole team was bad since they weren't helping you. But that just how shitty the game is now.
I mean also don’t focus your damage on a Ana pocketed hog maybe focus the Ana. You’re not gonna kill a tank that can heal themself and have a pocketing Ana. You should have focused their dps and supports. Your job is not to kill the tank that’s your dps job.
the game isnt shitty because you have some bad team mates some games pay attention to your own game play if your the best in the lobby above ur rank than statistically the odds are in ur favor nerd@@queenpen1398
ummmmmmmm its easy to sit and say this but u cant just always do that.... u cant just put urself in a bad position to push the back line....sometimes sure if your team has some space to push forward and also if the hog is shitting on ur team u need to attempt to peel...seens obvious@@tecumsehdc
Moria is a terrible main fr. Out of all the op abilities like suzu, lamp, nade, nano, they literally pick the one that does NOTHING. Im fully convinced all moria mains either cant position or are just obssessed with stats and think falsley inflating them will help them him.
Moira isn't bad but a lot of Moira mains play her awfully. I used to main her when I started playing OW2 because she was easy but then I tried kiriko and I haven't touched Moira since.
I used to main because I was new but then j switched to mercy/Ana I RARELY use Moira unless the other support is zen or Lucio because of their healing output
I main Moira and all I'll say is a good portion of moira players don't know what the hell they're doing and also refuse to switch when necessary, this contributes to people saying Moira is "the worst support".. when there is no worst support all supports serve a purpose it's who plays them. DPS Mains play Moira bc they can DPS and heal but typically forget to heal, or heal and forget to get picks. Playing Moira is a balancing act you need to be able to do both while under pressure and also know how to survive by yourself when absolutely necessary.
"No worst support" - lv exists. And no, both moira and lv serve 0 purpose as a support slots. Any other support can do more and better than these two. Dps? Kiri, bap, zen. Heal? Kiri, bap, ana, mercy? Utility? Ana, bap, lucio. The only thing Moira's good at is surviving. Lv is only good to reposition teammates, but that also can fuck them or you over
@@coominrider Lifeweaver and Moira have their place as supports, also Even if moira is "only for survivability" (even though she's not just for that) that still brings value.
One time at the beginning of a ranked match I insta locked Moira and typed " not a dps Moira " to my team meaning I'd actually heal them and everyone thought I was trolling before game even started 😂😂
I think the Kiri was a lose lose if he went ana then he could shut down hog but then can’t counter the enemy anti so it really depended on the moira to swap
honestly people flame Moira players for choosing the “worst support” but if you’re staying alive, actively healing your team and getting a decent amount of damage in, why are you complaining? This isn’t about this Moira in particular but the comments writing her off as a poor support. If nobody is peeling for me, I’m going to choose her because I at least know I’m staying alive and I’m going to have the most healing, and a very decent amount of damage alongside it. She’s also one of the best heroes to contest points because of her survivability and fade cooldown being so short. I think we just need to stop writing off all Moira players as bad players and actually see what they have to offer, because I’d rather have a great Moira on the team than a subpar Ana or Kiriko who can’t stay alive or land their shots 🫡
tbh people flaming their teammates all the time in overwatch was a really weird experience for me as a new overwatch player, coming from tf2 where you would never blame a medic to a game where people always compare you to others, blame everything on you and always want to make you switch character while they probably dont know much about the character you are actually playing.
Usually the reason pick moira because she can support and peel for herself better than any support with ease. You don’t have to aim but positioning yourself is a huge game changer. Also knowing when it’s time to heal/damage
@@DailyWorldWideNews945 idk if you knew this or but certain supp comps makes playing tank almost unplayable so yes I'm going to call out luh Jimmy who can't aim to save there life, playing moira into any comp where the other supps have huge game changing utilities is throwing in my book, especially if you're not going to bother there supps. It's insane how many moiras don't understand that
You're right but also wrong, people don't diss the character for no reason, they diss it for the "dps Moira's" or like in this instance Moira players not switching. Moira is a great support for both healing and dpsing but that's not great in this meta, you need to play a support with great utility like an Ana or Bap, that's another reason why people diss Moira is because she doesn't provide such utility
@@soldiersgr996 I agree if you’re able to play other supports that you should pick them if they help the team composition the most. However sometimes Moira is the best pick even in this meta, because like I said I’d rather be alive and actively healing and damaging and surviving than be constantly dying due to a lack of mobility/lack of peeling. Honestly any support (any hero) can work in any situation if you’re skilled with that hero
I had the same situation a couple weeks prior to writing this. We had a Support player who healbotted on Lúcio and then went dps Moira, got 18 deaths, got me 17 and my other dps 15 deaths cuz we weren't getting healed and called DPS diff Worst support player in existence
He could have just tried to play Ana to anti the Hog. I used to play a lot of Moira but now I don’t play her as much anymore because she offers no utility to her team. Kiriko isn’t that hard to play. There’s also Mercy. As for being dead every team fight, maybe he just climbed to high elo this season and isn’t used to players knowing how to deal with Moira.
High gold and up knows how to handle moiras, as a tank main soon as I see them fade I'm diving them, and I actually prefer when they try to sneak past me makes the job so much easier
The utility in the support category is just so insane right now. If the enemy is playing any combination of the utility/getoutofjailfree supports, and you have a moira. Support just feels lacking. I say this as a person who play every role. Moira isn't weak. The other supports just have more in their kits to enable their teammates. Where Moira is more of a selfish pick. It's okay to be selfish sometimes like if you have no peel. But moira isn't even the best support for that anymore. I've found that if the enemy has more support utility/getoutofjailfree cards and you have a moira, you just lose.
As a Moira main, I usually like to stay away from being called “DPS Moira” as many reasons I play her is so I don’t have to rely on my team to help peel for me when I can do it myself, or try to at least. And when someone else wants to play Moira or they ask for me to swap cause it’s a better pick, I swap off bc I know I’m not the best and I trust my team with what they say as long as we win. Communication is a big part of playing support and any role really
I play Moria sometimes but if I see a Hog imma switch to Ana to ANTI THE SHIT outta him. I switch if it needs to be done and the other support isn’t going to- I play what’s on other team that I can counter
I see a lot of people talking about how Moira sucks and I just wanna share my opinion. I don’t think she’s a bad hero, I just think her reputation was ruined by TikTok Moiras and toxic players who play Moira. The right way to play Moira and win (from my experience) is by getting plenty of damage to refill your heals, or snag a kill here and there that WON’T jeopardize your team (like don’t just ignore your whole team on 10hp to kill a single Lucio), and keep your team alive because she has such a high healing output. I use her ultimate to heal critical teammates, to counter enemy ults, and to deal damage + get kills occasionally. Moira’s high livability is good when you’re going up against a team that does a lot of damage (to heal your team), to contest points, and to escape. I play Moira like this and am able to win often, but it’s good to swap when Moira just isn’t working or to counter (cuz that’s the whole point of being able to swap). Idk this is just my experience on her. I don’t think she’s a terrible hero, you just gotta balance your damage and heals effectively, and NOT BE TOXIC!! It’s a team game so those Moiras need to stay positive and lift their up team up instead of putting them down, and play as a team. - from a previous Moira main who doesn’t have TikTok installed
Also, Moira is really easy to play when it comes to aim, I’m not gonna lie LOL. BUT: Her fade is by far her best ability (imo, one of my favorites in game). I tend to use Moira’s fade offensively by standing on cars and fading onto the high ground to push say a widow off of the high ground, or defensively by fading backwards in tough situations. You can get pretty creative with her fade and even backcap points (which I’ve done several times and once caused me to win in comp), and in that sense it’s kinda like a Grimm wall in Valorant (or how some people use Mei’s wall like that too). Idk I just try to find creative new ways to use her kit and I don’t see people who play Moira doing this often enough. If she’s easy, make her harder to play by trying creative new things with her!!
It’s free to play. This is what happens when a game is free to play, anything cheesy or just so simple a toddler can do it, the function will be abused till some kind of nerf or time goes by to where people get better to overcome it
I agree although she's not the best at healing or dpsing, she has very good survivability because of her fade and the damage is mid and her heals are also mid, an Ana is much better for heals and if you want to dps at the same time then Bap is also better at that. Survivability is the only reason ppl play her
@@soldiersgr996 yeah i agree about her survivability, i had a game today where the enemy moira had a 1v1 with our roadhog for literally 5 minutes 💀she just wouldn't die; That's probably the best aspect about her, although when it is just moira and the tank against 5 people using coalescence and a healing orb moira can keep the tank alive until the team comes back, although her healing might be bad with just her left click if you use both an orb and coalescence it's pretty crazy how well she can keep her teammates alive
@@userofthegooglei mean the reason why she is called the worst support is bc every other support is better in one way or another. I believe the best way to play moira in top ladder isnt even to be healing but rather go full dps flanking moira, (the two best moira in asia does this atleast). A support is made to be doing both heals and dmg/dmg boost but when the best way is to not give a fuck about heals, yeah ig u see why she is the worst support.
Yes both supports could have swapped but the kiriko was needed against an Ana. They could have won with an Ana to shut down the hog. The dps could have probably swapped to reaper or sombra for him too though. This is the biggest issue with the tank role. Without a good team comp for it the tank is basically just a bullet sponge.
so disgusting every game playing with moira mercy as a tank while enemy team goes ana kiri and outsustains and has actual utility moira players just healbot and pray the team carries since they have no impact
Dude, I'm just a Bronze Moira Main, so my opinion might not carry that much weight. But honestly, I think you guys are both off the mark. It felt more like a Team Diff to me, not really your fault or their.
I swear everytime, its either a salty support playing an easy character or op one like kiri, or just a stupid dps who plays an easy character whining about their other dps. Also as everyone knows widowmaker, sojourn, kiriko, echo or just a brigette player can be really toxic but also stupid beyond belief.
I will NEVER understand the mf's who onetrick any hero. Yes you can be best as this one hero but if enemy knows how to play around your hero - it's gonn a be SO hard to play for you and for no good reason whatsoever. Swapping is essential part of this game, especially considering some heroes are map dependent and can't really perform well on their bad maps. U can force them into it, but why? Are y'all some masochists or smth?
As a moira main who hasn't played OW2 that much ( played OW1 up until 2020), I wish more moira mains switch when it isn't working out. Just because she heals and damages a fuckton doesn't mean she's the goto pick. I've been playing ana more, and honestly its refreshing lmao.
The sym literally would get waaay too much value against those tanks and they're not a 100% counter to hog since a good hog can play around those abilities.
You would've been better off saying zaria I hate when non tanks speak on tank matters, if I'm getting slept/antid all game vs a tank who isn't getting there abilities disrupted every few secs im gonna get rolled regardless of how good I am
@@Ravenlilylokidont need to know, u just made it obvious in the comment... but at the same time i dont know how tf he lost against Hog, the worst tank Edit: after just watching the start of this clip i can see why they lost. It was an obvious tank gap. He didnt even push as jq when nothing coyld punish him for it. Didnt push hog at all. Basically put zero pressure on the team and created little space. Thats why he lost. Hog created so much more space it was insane. I mean he could have switched to ana but at the end of the day, it was a tank diff. Bro didnt go for supp first, hooked hog first, basically doing things that u shouldnt do lmao
DOOM? The guy that can be hooked out of all his abilities, slept out of all his abilities, Cass naded out of his abilities, Moira sucked though his block, AND melted by sym? That is the last tank he should go into that comp. Even if he DID counter hog, the rest of the team counters him...
thats always the thing that bad players say to excuse the fact they suck ass. they say "its just a game" to avoid being flamed for being a genuine lobotomized moron who cant play for shit. get better mate
I'm not a Moira main but I do have to step in and say she isn't a trash support, she's solid but not great. Her heals aren't the best as well as her damage but her survivability is why most Moira mains play her, her fade gives them a get out of jail free card because they're not great at positioning (I would assume so anyways), you don't really need to position if you're playing Moira unless against a Widow but even then they don't. She's not bad but she isn't an Ana or Kiriko
@@soldiersgr996 ok ok I'm like the talkative now here where you and I shall be differing though now usually what you want for support is the Support that usually have the utility for the team to survive or out Dps the enemy team unfortunately Moria is a Solo heal basically, unlike say Bap who has immortality.
@@NamebeDale_592 She can heal decently actually but I get what you're saying. I'm not saying she's better then Bap, Ana, or Kiri but she's not trash. The only time you want to optimally pick her is when you're getting dived and your other support isn't going Brig to peal for you, that's the only reason you should go Moira. Bap does indeed have way more utility then Moira but my point is Moira isn't trash, a good Moira (which is rare) can do quite well, she doesn't have huge utility but it's enough to sustain your team for the most part. It's unfortunate good Moira's are rare, this hero gets flamed because a majority of people who play her are ass and watched a 30 second tiktok and think they've mastered the character
@@NamebeDale_592 The support role for the most part is healing btw, but every game does have those moments where huge utility is required like a Bap imort, Ana sleep, Zen discord, etc. Moira doesn't provide anything but dps and heals, so I do agree with your point that she's useless utility wise but she's still solid at healing and dpsing
Typical Moira players. Ask them to play anything else and it’s mercy or brig. Just make all the heroes have some mechanical skill requirement, maybe tank an exception 😑 Jesus Christ
Funny how their Moira worked because the team played with her and not against her. Spending the entire game focusing on your Moira and how great an Ana would be/how spoiled the enemy tank is lost you the game tbh. You were so focused on the negative things that you went into that negative mindset. Tell your dps to pressure the Ana, so she can't pocket Hog, heck, let Moira kill her if she wants to dps. But instead you just tunnel visioned on your supports instead of making the best of what you have. This had nothing to do with Moira and everything with your team's attitude. That being said, Moira was a douche though
He did state he was bad at Hog, even so it doesn't change the fact that what he said was true, the times he did hook the Hog he went unpunished because he had an Ana pocket which could've been counter by an Ana of his own. I agree with your statement somewhat but it doesn't change the fact he was right
@@soldiersgr996 if what you said was true then he shouldnt have died if he avoided the hog he had a kiriko pokketing him and a moira partially He has no right to complain especially when he swapped to hog for no reason
@@murkyboykrow5277 Hog was the only good pick tho, Doom could've worked better but Grotech doesn't play Doom, and playing shield to counter Hog wasn't going to work because they have a Sym. Hog was a great pick under these circumstances hence why he needed an Ana of his own or maybe even the dps could've swapped to help with a better lineup all together
sometimes it's necessary to be selfish, if i am getting dove relentlessly and can't function as ana, i will just play moira and they will eventually give up on diving me or waste their resources, sure, i may spend a heal orb just for myself, but then instead of being dead i can provide healing to my teammates a few seconds later. If they gave moira something besides just heal and damage, people would go apeshit, but for now she is just... there. Good to pair up with lucio though for a rush comp, seen it yesterday in the Finland vs Saudi Arabia OWWC match
Congrats Moira players, you heal and do damage. What's the ult? Heal and do damage at the same time 🤯 There's a reason why people would even pick Lifeweaver over Moira.
Lifeweaver is so much more fun that moira is insane. Moira is one of the most boring, braindead, and brainrotting heroes in the entire game. Unsure why the devs made her one of the first heroes you have available; moira is a hero that doesn't force you to improve at all.
@@genesisosuna I agree which is why I feel it's unfortunate that LW's had a rough going since launch. His abilities can be useful in the right circumstances and it's definitely great to save a teammate with grip. I play a lot of Moira but just find characters like Ana more fun for their kits which is how she became my main. Other characters, like Zen, have abilities that are considered straight busted and basically can win fights by just picking them. Moira was only meta at the start of OW2 because people were still getting a feel for it and then she got dropped like a bad habit 😆
Moira is my 4th most played and I hate playing her.. I pick her when my team doesn’t dive, help me, or focus certain characters. She’s easy to play but not always needed.
@@shewhoweeps That's what I tend to do as well, especially to try and focus a Mercy if I can. I think she fell to third for me behind Brig after last year.
Ill never understand 1 trick supports. Like seriously the characters are so easy to play if you just try but that doesnt mean they can work in every comp. Moira basically NEEDS a team that requires an insane amount of heals to be the best pick.
Gotta love moira players, if playing support wasn't easy enough people need to play a literal braindead hero and have the need to say she takes some pittance of skill #embarrasing
I've already seen a few comments on this but in regards to the moria game I swapped 3 tanks, the other options such as orisa or sig are shut down by their sym I do not blame him for just PLAYING moria I blame him for being the first dead every fight and wasting most of her ults
Why didn't you show the Moria point of view when she die? That would had help your case. Also your Moria wasn't the only one on your team suck. The whole team was bad since they weren't helping you. But that just how shitty the game is now.
I mean also don’t focus your damage on a Ana pocketed hog maybe focus the Ana. You’re not gonna kill a tank that can heal themself and have a pocketing Ana. You should have focused their dps and supports. Your job is not to kill the tank that’s your dps job.
the game isnt shitty because you have some bad team mates some games pay attention to your own game play if your the best in the lobby above ur rank than statistically the odds are in ur favor nerd@@queenpen1398
ummmmmmmm its easy to sit and say this but u cant just always do that.... u cant just put urself in a bad position to push the back line....sometimes sure if your team has some space to push forward and also if the hog is shitting on ur team u need to attempt to peel...seens obvious@@tecumsehdc
Moria is a terrible main fr. Out of all the op abilities like suzu, lamp, nade, nano, they literally pick the one that does NOTHING. Im fully convinced all moria mains either cant position or are just obssessed with stats and think falsley inflating them will help them him.
Moira isn't bad but a lot of Moira mains play her awfully. I used to main her when I started playing OW2 because she was easy but then I tried kiriko and I haven't touched Moira since.
I used to main because I was new but then j switched to mercy/Ana I RARELY use Moira unless the other support is zen or Lucio because of their healing output
Fr ppl say she's easy to play yet all they do is dps 💀 like she can heal too
Moria is bad now that kiriko is out and does everything moria does execpt for the entire team instead of for herself like a selfish moria main
I main Moira and all I'll say is a good portion of moira players don't know what the hell they're doing and also refuse to switch when necessary, this contributes to people saying Moira is "the worst support".. when there is no worst support all supports serve a purpose it's who plays them. DPS Mains play Moira bc they can DPS and heal but typically forget to heal, or heal and forget to get picks. Playing Moira is a balancing act you need to be able to do both while under pressure and also know how to survive by yourself when absolutely necessary.
"No worst support" - lv exists. And no, both moira and lv serve 0 purpose as a support slots. Any other support can do more and better than these two. Dps? Kiri, bap, zen. Heal? Kiri, bap, ana, mercy? Utility? Ana, bap, lucio. The only thing Moira's good at is surviving. Lv is only good to reposition teammates, but that also can fuck them or you over
@@coominrider Lifeweaver and Moira have their place as supports, also Even if moira is "only for survivability" (even though she's not just for that) that still brings value.
One time at the beginning of a ranked match I insta locked Moira and typed " not a dps Moira " to my team meaning I'd actually heal them and everyone thought I was trolling before game even started 😂😂
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that wez guy must of been drunk or high
I think the Kiri was a lose lose if he went ana then he could shut down hog but then can’t counter the enemy anti so it really depended on the moira to swap
honestly people flame Moira players for choosing the “worst support” but if you’re staying alive, actively healing your team and getting a decent amount of damage in, why are you complaining? This isn’t about this Moira in particular but the comments writing her off as a poor support. If nobody is peeling for me, I’m going to choose her because I at least know I’m staying alive and I’m going to have the most healing, and a very decent amount of damage alongside it. She’s also one of the best heroes to contest points because of her survivability and fade cooldown being so short. I think we just need to stop writing off all Moira players as bad players and actually see what they have to offer, because I’d rather have a great Moira on the team than a subpar Ana or Kiriko who can’t stay alive or land their shots 🫡
tbh people flaming their teammates all the time in overwatch was a really weird experience for me as a new overwatch player, coming from tf2 where you would never blame a medic to a game where people always compare you to others, blame everything on you and always want to make you switch character while they probably dont know much about the character you are actually playing.
Usually the reason pick moira because she can support and peel for herself better than any support with ease. You don’t have to aim but positioning yourself is a huge game changer. Also knowing when it’s time to heal/damage
@@DailyWorldWideNews945 idk if you knew this or but certain supp comps makes playing tank almost unplayable so yes I'm going to call out luh Jimmy who can't aim to save there life, playing moira into any comp where the other supps have huge game changing utilities is throwing in my book, especially if you're not going to bother there supps. It's insane how many moiras don't understand that
You're right but also wrong, people don't diss the character for no reason, they diss it for the "dps Moira's" or like in this instance Moira players not switching. Moira is a great support for both healing and dpsing but that's not great in this meta, you need to play a support with great utility like an Ana or Bap, that's another reason why people diss Moira is because she doesn't provide such utility
@@soldiersgr996 I agree if you’re able to play other supports that you should pick them if they help the team composition the most. However sometimes Moira is the best pick even in this meta, because like I said I’d rather be alive and actively healing and damaging and surviving than be constantly dying due to a lack of mobility/lack of peeling. Honestly any support (any hero) can work in any situation if you’re skilled with that hero
I had the same situation a couple weeks prior to writing this. We had a Support player who healbotted on Lúcio and then went dps Moira, got 18 deaths, got me 17 and my other dps 15 deaths cuz we weren't getting healed and called DPS diff
Worst support player in existence
It’s a good day when grotech uploads
Agreed! It's always impressive that you don't let these toxic people ruin the game for you. After all, it is a game and it should be for fun.
He could have just tried to play Ana to anti the Hog. I used to play a lot of Moira but now I don’t play her as much anymore because she offers no utility to her team. Kiriko isn’t that hard to play. There’s also Mercy.
As for being dead every team fight, maybe he just climbed to high elo this season and isn’t used to players knowing how to deal with Moira.
High gold and up knows how to handle moiras, as a tank main soon as I see them fade I'm diving them, and I actually prefer when they try to sneak past me makes the job so much easier
THE SYM AT THE END, THO I WASNT EVEN THERE, STRESSING ME OUT JUST HEARING THEM
The utility in the support category is just so insane right now.
If the enemy is playing any combination of the utility/getoutofjailfree supports, and you have a moira.
Support just feels lacking. I say this as a person who play every role.
Moira isn't weak.
The other supports just have more in their kits to enable their teammates. Where Moira is more of a selfish pick.
It's okay to be selfish sometimes like if you have no peel. But moira isn't even the best support for that anymore.
I've found that if the enemy has more support utility/getoutofjailfree cards and you have a moira, you just lose.
As a Moira main, I usually like to stay away from being called “DPS Moira” as many reasons I play her is so I don’t have to rely on my team to help peel for me when I can do it myself, or try to at least. And when someone else wants to play Moira or they ask for me to swap cause it’s a better pick, I swap off bc I know I’m not the best and I trust my team with what they say as long as we win. Communication is a big part of playing support and any role really
I play Moria sometimes but if I see a Hog imma switch to Ana to ANTI THE SHIT outta him. I switch if it needs to be done and the other support isn’t going to- I play what’s on other team that I can counter
I see a lot of people talking about how Moira sucks and I just wanna share my opinion. I don’t think she’s a bad hero, I just think her reputation was ruined by TikTok Moiras and toxic players who play Moira. The right way to play Moira and win (from my experience) is by getting plenty of damage to refill your heals, or snag a kill here and there that WON’T jeopardize your team (like don’t just ignore your whole team on 10hp to kill a single Lucio), and keep your team alive because she has such a high healing output. I use her ultimate to heal critical teammates, to counter enemy ults, and to deal damage + get kills occasionally. Moira’s high livability is good when you’re going up against a team that does a lot of damage (to heal your team), to contest points, and to escape. I play Moira like this and am able to win often, but it’s good to swap when Moira just isn’t working or to counter (cuz that’s the whole point of being able to swap). Idk this is just my experience on her. I don’t think she’s a terrible hero, you just gotta balance your damage and heals effectively, and NOT BE TOXIC!! It’s a team game so those Moiras need to stay positive and lift their up team up instead of putting them down, and play as a team. - from a previous Moira main who doesn’t have TikTok installed
Also, Moira is really easy to play when it comes to aim, I’m not gonna lie LOL. BUT: Her fade is by far her best ability (imo, one of my favorites in game). I tend to use Moira’s fade offensively by standing on cars and fading onto the high ground to push say a widow off of the high ground, or defensively by fading backwards in tough situations. You can get pretty creative with her fade and even backcap points (which I’ve done several times and once caused me to win in comp), and in that sense it’s kinda like a Grimm wall in Valorant (or how some people use Mei’s wall like that too). Idk I just try to find creative new ways to use her kit and I don’t see people who play Moira doing this often enough. If she’s easy, make her harder to play by trying creative new things with her!!
It’s free to play. This is what happens when a game is free to play, anything cheesy or just so simple a toddler can do it, the function will be abused till some kind of nerf or time goes by to where people get better to overcome it
I agree although she's not the best at healing or dpsing, she has very good survivability because of her fade and the damage is mid and her heals are also mid, an Ana is much better for heals and if you want to dps at the same time then Bap is also better at that. Survivability is the only reason ppl play her
@@soldiersgr996 yeah i agree about her survivability, i had a game today where the enemy moira had a 1v1 with our roadhog for literally 5 minutes 💀she just wouldn't die;
That's probably the best aspect about her, although when it is just moira and the tank against 5 people using coalescence and a healing orb moira can keep the tank alive until the team comes back, although her healing might be bad with just her left click if you use both an orb and coalescence it's pretty crazy how well she can keep her teammates alive
@@userofthegooglei mean the reason why she is called the worst support is bc every other support is better in one way or another. I believe the best way to play moira in top ladder isnt even to be healing but rather go full dps flanking moira, (the two best moira in asia does this atleast). A support is made to be doing both heals and dmg/dmg boost but when the best way is to not give a fuck about heals, yeah ig u see why she is the worst support.
I'll never buy one person's pick as being the sole factor in a loss. He could have swapped and so could other people.
I played 3 different tanks
@@Grotechgaming I saw that. that still doesn't change what I said.
I saw a very clear support diff
moria main getting mad
Yes both supports could have swapped but the kiriko was needed against an Ana. They could have won with an Ana to shut down the hog. The dps could have probably swapped to reaper or sombra for him too though. This is the biggest issue with the tank role. Without a good team comp for it the tank is basically just a bullet sponge.
I lost hope for the players of Overwatch 2
Yea im a mercy main and us as supports no matter what we do we always get blamed for everything
welcome to the Reinhardt pain club every time you got Mei wall in your team
Delusional Moira Main is an oxymoron lol
so disgusting every game playing with moira mercy as a tank while enemy team goes ana kiri and outsustains and has actual utility moira players just healbot and pray the team carries since they have no impact
mercy is such a god awful hero
I honestly think Id rather hear a slur or two randomly in vc over hearing someone sing/rap poorly my god that was excruciating.
Wow, somehow people aren’t like for Moira damage than heals. It always both heal and damage if better learn to survive playing Moira.
Dude, I'm just a Bronze Moira Main, so my opinion might not carry that much weight. But honestly, I think you guys are both off the mark. It felt more like a Team Diff to me, not really your fault or their.
i love how the widow is talking $hIt bout hanzo but he couldn't switch to other dps with more damage lolol
the moira sound like 10 year old who just learned how to swear.
I swear everytime, its either a salty support playing an easy character or op one like kiri, or just a stupid dps who plays an easy character whining about their other dps. Also as everyone knows widowmaker, sojourn, kiriko, echo or just a brigette player can be really toxic but also stupid beyond belief.
8:05 i did not expect that
same what was that dudes problem 💀
Why is everyone saying hog diff they had close to the same stat lineup. And the Moira said tank diff first, so they opened the way for toxicity
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen the name yorkinc or whatever in gold lobbies 💀
Poor Roadhog in the thumbnail 😢😢😢
Tht widow should've jst played sym to beam down the dva girl went like 30 and 0 the entire game
Let's goooo another video. Love your videos keep the good work
Honestly bro, yheir hog wasnt better. He just didnt have 2 dog shit healers AND he had a Symmetra on his team
Support duoing and neither of you being able to play the best supp in the game rn is so dumb
I dont think playing Hog into another Hog with a Ana was the right move either.
I will never play hog without a kiri
@@MertoTrusts_Me regardless Moira is objectively a bad pick with 2 or even 1 hog in the game for whatever side she’s on
@@Grotechgaming you should honestly just never play hog until he gets his rework
@@MertoTrusts_Me well it worked for the other team, an anti when Grotech hooked the Hog woulda killed him, either that or Kiri and save Suzu for anti
Ana thinks she’s the mightiest player of Overwatch 2, yes I said she. 8:05
Brother. I'm SILVER and I knew better then this Moira
Idk man I feel like you are complaining and blaming your team just as much as you are saying they were. Taking accountability is always the way to go.
True,he swap to 3 other tanks and still lose to the hog one of the worst tank now. It wasn't just his Moria playing bad it was the whole team.
Fuck I hope my dumbass didn't do this since I've been only playing Moira lately since she's easy
I genuinely do hate Moria players, they claim they’re always carrying their games and it’s never their fault.
4:08 Damn he just like me fr
These the randoms I get
Ngl a good counter to sym as tank would be Winston
winston is terrible against hog though
I will NEVER understand the mf's who onetrick any hero. Yes you can be best as this one hero but if enemy knows how to play around your hero - it's gonn a be SO hard to play for you and for no good reason whatsoever. Swapping is essential part of this game, especially considering some heroes are map dependent and can't really perform well on their bad maps. U can force them into it, but why? Are y'all some masochists or smth?
Popular opinion ≠ correct…. Just because “everyone” says something doesn’t mean it’s true
As a moira main who hasn't played OW2 that much ( played OW1 up until 2020), I wish more moira mains switch when it isn't working out. Just because she heals and damages a fuckton doesn't mean she's the goto pick. I've been playing ana more, and honestly its refreshing lmao.
Chill on my boi Hanzo haha so toxic over a bad game
18:48 any1 with pants in there name is automatically horrible at overwatch NAY games in general NAY!!!!!! LIFE ;)
Wtf are you even on about moira had 12k heals while your kiri had 7k
Moira or moria?
Moira
Lmaoo 5:24
hey dude, you prob wont see this but i really like ur vids :D
Dont tell this secret but I read every message. If you respond it vanishes off the main page
Message from Grotech: “IF YOURE A MOIRA MAIN KERMIT SEWERCIDE. PERIODT, ON GOD 💯💯”
Even if Moira wasnt working with the tanks you are choosing why not swap to a tank that doesnt need an Ana? Like Orisa or Sigma
Sym
The sym literally would get waaay too much value against those tanks and they're not a 100% counter to hog since a good hog can play around those abilities.
You would've been better off saying zaria I hate when non tanks speak on tank matters, if I'm getting slept/antid all game vs a tank who isn't getting there abilities disrupted every few secs im gonna get rolled regardless of how good I am
@@tyrezallen958 Bro you have no idea what I play, bless your heart. I respect how passionate you feel about the topic though.
@@Ravenlilylokidont need to know, u just made it obvious in the comment... but at the same time i dont know how tf he lost against Hog, the worst tank
Edit: after just watching the start of this clip i can see why they lost. It was an obvious tank gap. He didnt even push as jq when nothing coyld punish him for it. Didnt push hog at all. Basically put zero pressure on the team and created little space. Thats why he lost. Hog created so much more space it was insane. I mean he could have switched to ana but at the end of the day, it was a tank diff. Bro didnt go for supp first, hooked hog first, basically doing things that u shouldnt do lmao
I hate moira players and moira in general so much.
We don't like you either
i honestly cant stand one tricks playing comp.
Lmao you couldve easily swapped to doom and counter roadhog
I have zero hours on doom but you're right
@@GrotechgamingDoesn’t Hog counter Doom? I could have sworn Hog can hook Doom out of his guard.
Shh let him dream
DOOM? The guy that can be hooked out of all his abilities, slept out of all his abilities, Cass naded out of his abilities, Moira sucked though his block, AND melted by sym? That is the last tank he should go into that comp. Even if he DID counter hog, the rest of the team counters him...
@@thememelord465 average life of a tank main tbh
ive watched alot of your clips and a common theme is you forget that its a game and take things too literally
thats always the thing that bad players say to excuse the fact they suck ass. they say "its just a game" to avoid being flamed for being a genuine lobotomized moron who cant play for shit. get better mate
lmao, deranged moira main. That's all moira mains wdym?
Moria mains id like to ask why play her when she practically the worst Support in the game, if you like to talk im down to talk
I'm not a Moira main but I do have to step in and say she isn't a trash support, she's solid but not great. Her heals aren't the best as well as her damage but her survivability is why most Moira mains play her, her fade gives them a get out of jail free card because they're not great at positioning (I would assume so anyways), you don't really need to position if you're playing Moira unless against a Widow but even then they don't. She's not bad but she isn't an Ana or Kiriko
@@soldiersgr996 ok ok I'm like the talkative now here where you and I shall be differing though now usually what you want for support is the Support that usually have the utility for the team to survive or out Dps the enemy team unfortunately Moria is a Solo heal basically, unlike say Bap who has immortality.
@@NamebeDale_592 She can heal decently actually but I get what you're saying. I'm not saying she's better then Bap, Ana, or Kiri but she's not trash. The only time you want to optimally pick her is when you're getting dived and your other support isn't going Brig to peal for you, that's the only reason you should go Moira. Bap does indeed have way more utility then Moira but my point is Moira isn't trash, a good Moira (which is rare) can do quite well, she doesn't have huge utility but it's enough to sustain your team for the most part. It's unfortunate good Moira's are rare, this hero gets flamed because a majority of people who play her are ass and watched a 30 second tiktok and think they've mastered the character
@@NamebeDale_592 The support role for the most part is healing btw, but every game does have those moments where huge utility is required like a Bap imort, Ana sleep, Zen discord, etc. Moira doesn't provide anything but dps and heals, so I do agree with your point that she's useless utility wise but she's still solid at healing and dpsing
@@soldiersgr996 yea idk why they even call it Support any tbh symmetra should be a somewhat of support they could have reworked at some point
Typical Moira players. Ask them to play anything else and it’s mercy or brig. Just make all the heroes have some mechanical skill requirement, maybe tank an exception 😑 Jesus Christ
Funny how their Moira worked because the team played with her and not against her. Spending the entire game focusing on your Moira and how great an Ana would be/how spoiled the enemy tank is lost you the game tbh. You were so focused on the negative things that you went into that negative mindset. Tell your dps to pressure the Ana, so she can't pocket Hog, heck, let Moira kill her if she wants to dps. But instead you just tunnel visioned on your supports instead of making the best of what you have. This had nothing to do with Moira and everything with your team's attitude. That being said, Moira was a douche though
If you're having trouble with hog then you have no right to complain
He did state he was bad at Hog, even so it doesn't change the fact that what he said was true, the times he did hook the Hog he went unpunished because he had an Ana pocket which could've been counter by an Ana of his own. I agree with your statement somewhat but it doesn't change the fact he was right
If you let hog get healbotted all game at that elo he's never gonna die, gro was anti the whole game, tell us you're a dumb bronze without telling us
@@soldiersgr996 if what you said was true then he shouldnt have died if he avoided the hog he had a kiriko pokketing him and a moira partially
He has no right to complain especially when he swapped to hog for no reason
@@tyrezallen958 not gonna have a kindergarten argument with you
Haha you're bronze lol OMG
@@murkyboykrow5277 Hog was the only good pick tho, Doom could've worked better but Grotech doesn't play Doom, and playing shield to counter Hog wasn't going to work because they have a Sym. Hog was a great pick under these circumstances hence why he needed an Ana of his own or maybe even the dps could've swapped to help with a better lineup all together
GEKKO MORIA
Moira offers no utility for her team, she's by far the worst support character in the game for that reason. She promotes a very selfish playstyle.
That’s the point. Ever since the game has been free to play all the cheesy characters have been abused & overhyped
sometimes it's necessary to be selfish, if i am getting dove relentlessly and can't function as ana, i will just play moira and they will eventually give up on diving me or waste their resources, sure, i may spend a heal orb just for myself, but then instead of being dead i can provide healing to my teammates a few seconds later. If they gave moira something besides just heal and damage, people would go apeshit, but for now she is just... there. Good to pair up with lucio though for a rush comp, seen it yesterday in the Finland vs Saudi Arabia OWWC match
Congrats Moira players, you heal and do damage. What's the ult? Heal and do damage at the same time 🤯 There's a reason why people would even pick Lifeweaver over Moira.
Lifeweaver is so much more fun that moira is insane. Moira is one of the most boring, braindead, and brainrotting heroes in the entire game. Unsure why the devs made her one of the first heroes you have available; moira is a hero that doesn't force you to improve at all.
Yea lol moira mains are actual pea brains they dont realise they contribute nothing half of the time
@@genesisosuna I agree which is why I feel it's unfortunate that LW's had a rough going since launch. His abilities can be useful in the right circumstances and it's definitely great to save a teammate with grip.
I play a lot of Moira but just find characters like Ana more fun for their kits which is how she became my main. Other characters, like Zen, have abilities that are considered straight busted and basically can win fights by just picking them. Moira was only meta at the start of OW2 because people were still getting a feel for it and then she got dropped like a bad habit 😆
Moira is my 4th most played and I hate playing her.. I pick her when my team doesn’t dive, help me, or focus certain characters. She’s easy to play but not always needed.
@@shewhoweeps That's what I tend to do as well, especially to try and focus a Mercy if I can. I think she fell to third for me behind Brig after last year.
The moira was right. You were hard tank diffed.
Ill never understand 1 trick supports. Like seriously the characters are so easy to play if you just try but that doesnt mean they can work in every comp. Moira basically NEEDS a team that requires an insane amount of heals to be the best pick.
Gotta love moira players, if playing support wasn't easy enough people need to play a literal braindead hero and have the need to say she takes some pittance of skill #embarrasing
Moira is a useless support. Every other support is better and actually provides something to the team other than healing.
you're a useles tank or dps. Moria is better and she can stay alive more than the other supports so stfu
@@dreameva1400bro is fuming
@@big_gamer1234 says the one that probably sucked at the game.
@@dreameva1400 bro responded half a year later ☠️☠️🤦♂️
Moria should have been harassing the Ana and Orisa isnt that bad into Sym?...
Shes bad at breaking turrets and sym gets a full charge off her every fight
i feel lucky being this early to a video lmfao