End Game DIY Audio? Whats inside the X-LS Encore!?
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Whats INSIDE the X-LS Encore!?
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No-Res looks identical to the open cell foam used to make foam speaker surrounds. My family has been involved in the speaker component manufacturing business since the 70's. They went through tons of that foam. I used it for a few DIY speaker builds and it really is fantastic stuff. Also, I love the work GR Research is doing and you can tell they really do care about the quality of what they offer.
Just ordered an X LS Encore flat pack from Peter, and not only did he make the whole process extremely easy.... he was a pleasure to deal with. I also ordered the matched center channel that Danny offers for these speakers (X CS Encore/not on website) as this will be the foundation for my wife approved home theater system.
These make a great HT front end.
Sooooo, how did it go??? Please!!
I miss my xls.... bought them originally when they first came out mark even signed the back of mine. That’s why I’m gonna build another pair. Thanks for posting this Ron and I can’t wait to see the rest of videos.
About time you got into the DIY reviews. Being a lifelong DIYer myself, I am in the process of building a pair of X-MTM speakers that Danny has but isn't on the website currently that go down to 40Hz at -3dB so that I don't need to use a subwoofer, since I plan to use them just for music playback and the low E string of the 4 string bass guitar is at 41.2Hz. Since some music may use a 5 or more string bass with a low B string frequency of 30.9Hz , I plan to eventually design and build a open baffle sub. One great thing about DIY is that you can do whatever finish you like to the cabinets, myself I will paint the cabinets a gold metallic color with several layers of clearcoat for a finish just like I on some sports cars that I can't afford, but at least I can afford high end sound for about $500 the pair and stare at the beauty of those speakers.
i know Im kind of randomly asking but does anybody know of a good website to watch new series online?
@Reginald Zachariah Flixportal :)
@Brett Lochlan Thank you, I signed up and it seems to work :) I appreciate it!
@Reginald Zachariah No problem =)
Thanks Ron, you helped me with the choice and I bought the fully finished pair with all upgrades from GR Research.
I bought 2 sets of completed speakers direct from GR Research. First I got the Carnegie Acoustics Davanti bookshelf speakers. Designed by Danny for some guy with marketing plans, he built them in China and the market changed. Danny helped him liquidate the Davanti speakers for $300 or $400. Happy with these I bought the completed L-XS Encore with all the upgrades. With supply chain issues it took 3 months. I moved the Davanti to the NAD M10 with a HSU subwoofer to my TV. And put the XLS to my Parasound P23 and preamp Bluesound Nodes. After a few days the XLS changed and now have more base than the Davanti with Subwoofer. But also more clarity and transparency. Maybe the amps? Both rooms are side by side and 12x24 feet. I can put them in the same BlueOS group and A B test them most everyday. I have a 3rd BlueOS zone in my home office.
Dude! The X-Static kit is $400 and has 4 of the woofers with the tweeter and a 3 way crossover. I can also get a servo sub and still have $800 left in my pocket. I've built high end custom kitchen cabinets from raw lumber so boxes are child's play. I'm also an electrician and plumber so soldering is a cake walk. Everyone in the USA has someone near that can build a box for $100.
Cannonball it Carl
lol 400 bucks? it's 1000-1350 now
I can say yes, i have these with full upgrades, they most certainly could be your endgame bookshelf, they stay put for awhile.
Mr. Ronald, very good video very good! Today is Monday the 12th I believe and you and Mr. Randy were at GR research today playing and have you Hope you enjoyed every minute of it
Ordered these from Danny on May 4th (standard edition, first timer)! Can't wait for them to arrive! My diy boxes are waiting patiently for the GR Research love!
so how did your x-ls encore build go from danny. Im a first timer who has never soldered anything, would use the $140 flat pack of wood to build the box. did you use the flat pack of wood to build the box? seems soldering would be scary for a rookie but easily done, since I would have it on a work table, easy to reach. I've stained wood before, but must buy clamps. clue, stuff to put the cabinet together. Please advise. a friend has a klipsch forte 3 he bought in 2018, saying they are too big for his room, wants $2200, shipped from az. too far from my home in NJ to see or hear them. but the $540 (all upgrade and flatpack) ls encore might be better. I have klipsch floorstanders rp5 from 1990, 1 tweeter, 8 inch mid, 12 inch 150w amp built is, and thiel c2.3 1 inch,3 inch, 8 inch from 1990., in 13 by 18 room
Okay Ron, so now you've done it. Woke up thinking (true) .... ...."I've gotta make a decision What speakers do I want?". Considering Buchardts, Harbeth, Totem etc,..... some too expensive, some not .... now these!!!!!!!!!!! Love it. Can't wait for the review. Thank you for your wonderful RUclips work.
@champer slimmerthannone I ended up with Elac Debut Reference. They were meant to be a stepping stone to
something better but I gotta say ... excellent for the money. Eventually, I will get ATC SCM 11s and will either sell
the Elacs or use them strictly for movies/desk-top or ??. Thanks for asking.
@champer slimmerthannone The new Elac Debut Reference. Got a crazy price from Elac Canada (promo)
so these will be interim for now.
@champer slimmerthannone Yes they do.
The xls encores are serious, and yes, endgame bookshelf potential, mine stay for a long time along with the metas, their amazing.
Great video Ron - I like that you include the diy stuff in your channel as well👍👍
Lightning on this video is fantastic. Cinematic quality
I design my cabinets the same way. I use MDF in cased with oak and hard maple. But I design my own speakers and they are much bigger. I even use the fasteners but I have big rubber feet on them. But I use a industrial accustic damping gel adhesive instead of wood glue. I have built them with MDF alone and listened to them and then I applied the maple and I can hear a big difference.
Yes!!! Been waiting for this video for MONTHS!!!! Danny is getting a call from me today!!! I have the retail version of these and almost everything I need to finish modding them.
Was totally thinking of you when I pressed publish today @brian!
@@Newrecordday2013 LOL.... Yeah I got a pair of X-LS Classics for $125 with the bolt on stands AV123 used to sell from a guy and never really knew much about them. Started down the rabbit hole and discovered Skiingninja.com. Sean used to work with Danny on crossover designs (not 100% sure on this) and mentioned I can mod these to make them even better. So working with Sean, he gave me images of the Encore crossovers and what values I would need to buy, NoRez cut sheet with measurements, etc. Basically everything I need. I then contacted Danny and bugged him and eventually everything got delivered to my door sans the tube connectors(was on a tight budget at the time) and replacement drivers. Life took over and 3-4 years and I still need to finish my upgrades. I do want to buy a new set of drivers so I can give all my existing internals and drivers to a friend and then he can build his own cabinet and have a great set of speakers!!! I Wish I could hear the tube connectors vs binding posts because its hard for me to justify purchases sometimes.
@@Newrecordday2013 OMG... just got finished watching the video and I have SOOO many questions!
@@neccros007 The tube connectors are certainly worth the cost. They are also a lot easier to install than the binding post cup.
@@michaellundy3551 I already have the retail X-LS Classics the X-LS kit is based on... They are the ones Danny designed for AV123 and now I am updating with the Encore tweeters, crossover PCBs, Soniccaps, No-rez, etc etc... Not sure I want to drill into these cabinets. I might be having some new ones built in the future...
Haven’t visited NRD in quite sometime but I am definitely glad that DIY is getting some love.
Thanks for the visit!
Your new spinner toy is awesome! Hats off to the maker. That is a great looking speaker cabinet. Nice looking speaker drivers, love that crossover construction. Have a great day man!
Thanks man! You as well.
I ordered my xls encore kit with all the upgrades 😎 . Really looking forward to it.
I sure would like to see distortion measurements to backup these claims of superior sound from component, connector, and wire upgrades.
the tweeter measurements are SO SO BAD. Danny is lost in nostalgia and can't even contemplate that new stuff obliterates these near discontinued parts. Even Peerelss has ousted the tweeter they made and don't make them anymore unless you order 1000 units. SB acoustics makes the best cheap cloth tweeters at affordability. and they measure astonishingly
That will NEVER happen...lmao
@@djfirestormx Where do you even come up with this stuff. You must be part of the fake news media.
Distortion measurements have no industry standard and no accuracy taken outside of an anechoic chamber. Distortion measurements also have little correlation to how something sounds. It could highlight a problem if one existed, but those same problems can be seen in other measurements as well. The very word "distortion" has just become marketing jargon much like "power handling".
Danny thinks he's the man.
But he's not.
He's speakers are ugly as hell.
Can't wait for the actual review! Any word on the AV-0's? You mentioned rather cryptically in a past video that they could compete with the x-ls. Are you preparing a review of them?
I believe SVS uses custom peerless drivers in some models so that says a lot about there quality.
yes I use the tweeters they make. the only thing custom is the metal faceplates and some visual tweaks. but those aluminum tweeters are one of the best if you stay under $50
Desire finally has a name. Custom-built Encores!
I plan to take a woodworking class so I can build myself some GR-research speakers.
That’s awesome!
almost end game but need to fight with CSS 1TDX :)
The CSS model will go deeper , larger cabinet and woofer 👍
Ron, great entre into the X-LS and looking forward to the full review.. Been excited about the possibility of a DIY speaker vs. going with an Elac Debut Reference for around the same $. Any experience with the CSS Audio 1TD? Some buzz about them on another RUclips channel with growing interest for comparison between them and the X-LS Encores. Would be awsome to get your take on the mix of DIY bookshelves out there.
Making me want to build my first kit
hardwood shell over MDF at 18 dollars a foot? I just bought kiln dried 5/4 walnut for $8.00 a board foot.
PEERLESS makes the drivers in my soundbar in the living room. theyre mighty nice
Love GR Research stuff!!!
Ok, all I'm saying is that you mentioned yourself what a HUGE difference speaker stands make (especially when you reviewed the Buchardts)
but no one ever reviews speaker stands!
The XLS and the SVS Ultra are on my interest list. Can you compare them? I am looking for new speakers for my home theater. Thanks
Get the Encores upgraded and choose your finish haven’t heard the SVS but, the use the same Drivers as the X-Statiks which are phenomenal.
I've designed an upgrade for the SVS Ultra that transforms them into a nice speaker, but they are not at the level of the X-LS Encore. gr-research.com/product/svs-ultra-bookshelf-upgrade/
Nice overview Ron !
Are you ever going to review any new turntables? If you can maybe products in the $500 to $1500 range.
Have you ever compared the GR speakers to Reference Speakers like the Focal Treo series or Barefoots?
CSS TD1 vs XLS encores. Butter pecan vs Madagascar vanilla
These speakers could be the greatesst sounding speakers on earth, the problem is no one I know will buy speakers they can't demo. I appreciate your efforts, but there is no data here just opinion.
No measurements, no sound clips. How do we as consumers make an informed and experiential decision about GR research speakers? I'm very interested in them, but cannot hear them.
Go to their website for all the data. They're pretty popular and established
@@TheEchelon He means REAL measurements like on ASR, something neutral, not from the guy selling them or a guy doing a "review" for him...
Actually we've sold about 2,000 pairs of them. Measurements are there on our site and have been confirmed many times.
@@dannyrichie9743 Every seller claims that their product is the best... I don't rember u ever engaging in any self criticism
How would the diysg helix compare to these? These speakers look very interesting!
So the crossover in the second speakers is better because the individual crossover parts are superior to the first speaker’s crossover?
6:29 - what does the rounded frame edge have to do with whether the woofer is countersunk or not? Countersinking has little to nothing to do with performance. Actually the rounded front edge just means the woofers should only be front mounted.
Countersinking the woofer means you have to groove out the front panel, which makes it thinner, and thus becomes potentially a point of resonance. The fact these taper to nothing mean you don't need to do that, and it also has the added advantage of keeping the transition smooth as you move away from the cone...which helps any weird refractions.
Very nice work on your part
Those are indeed nice cabinets.
Mike did an amazing job
Ugly speakers for sure.
Danny and his magnificent pile of garbage.
It looks like a $100 speaker
What would you say is the major difference between the tweeter in the X-LS and the Neo 3?
Buddy try these, you have to my buddies company uses these I have them in a pair of prototypes speakers from his company Wow I was SHOCKED to say the least
Hey man, try what?
@@Newrecordday2013 crap my man I sent you the link on that it didn't show on Maddis sound silver flute paper wool drivers
Oh I’ve tried them. Not bad speakers but a little dark sounding imo.
@@Newrecordday2013 yeah if you can get a really good cross over into that then that won't be a problem my buddy is using those it is prototype speakers and I totally agree with you because his first couple tries for those speakers were a little too dark sounding the newer version of what he has are a little on the warm side of neutral which is not a bad thing I'd rather have that than something crazy bright but he does use bullet tweeters 1 front facing one side facing pretty neat stuff
I'm willing to believe GR speakers are as good as Danny claims they are, but like anything else, where is the proof? I'd like to see 4-5 disinterested reviewers talk about his speakers. My Google searches for reviews arent pulling up much.
It seems to mainly be "people heard it" or "it just is" (better). I guess that's how a lot of extra bits of HiFi get sold.
The proof? Danny posts all tangible data... The FR, spectral decay, etc, of the actual speaker. How many other manufacturers do that?
@@cup_and_cone his speaker waterfall decays r highly selective... Remember Danny has to pay for nxt years Humvee etc somehow
What about the sand cast resistors?
love it I ginghams to this soon waiting to know if sell port plugs need to place else 2.5,2f who sells them
How would I go about building these? I see the parts kits, but flat packs are hard to come by. Speaking for those with limited woodworking tools. 😅
starts around 3:30
Great Video!
did you assemble that xovr in the pic? If you did, you are for sure, a beginner . . . if not, forgive my assumption.
Why is the GR Research link a dead end??
Why later ???? :(((( I can't wait !
Hi I would appreciate if you show me to build crossover for cube speaker. Like Bose did
I think you are probably being a bit too conservative on your statement that these will compete with commercially available speakers at around $2000. I have heard the standard versions of X-LS in a flat pack, and even those will compete with commercially available speakers at $2000.
Correctly designed DIY will almost always equal the sound quality of speakers costing substantially more $$.
That’s fair.
I didn't find the no res link you said you would put below the video.
Fixed! Thanks! gr-research.com/norez24x27sheet.aspx
How would these compare to css audio 1td?
That comparison was mentioned here: ruclips.net/video/TH05KQGLLEQ/видео.html
@@dannyrichie9743 thanks for that, I've since bought both speakers and have my preference. It's a really good informative video, I really appreciate the time, effort, and experience that goes into making them.
Polymer frames won't ring , but they do shake.
They do not shake.
Funny those drivers are no different other than materials than drivers decades old. There is really very little difference in design over the years. It's all in the crossover design. but you keep telling yourself just how modern and amazing they are.
What's your opinion on the klipsch sixes?
have u made any demo on these speakers !
One needs to consider resale value too. Unfortunately, these puppies will be worthless in 15 years, differently than the big dogs. Honestly $1750 is very steep for this single reason. Big part of the hobby is to try something different, and most people will want to sell them eventually.
Then build them from a kit.
And if you are worried about resale value then keep in mind that most of our customers sell their kits (as finished speakers) primarily to order the next model up in the line, and they sell their kits for more than they paid for them most of the time.
Danny Richie I totally agree when buying directly from you. I’m eyeing myself a x-static kit. And the matching center speaker. My comment was related to the assembled speaker. Although I totally see the value of the craftsmanship, no doubt about that!
Mike's work is really good. It's a good option for some.
I bet so! Don’t take me wrong. My comment was solely based on the “economics”. I’m in no way saying it is not worth it to everybody.
I’m with you on this. This is a DIY kit that’s pretty steep. I’ve seen better examples for less on Part-Express. As for looks - Fugly.
Ron I'm not seeing link to Mike the guy who make this upgraded XLS Enore
uilleamaudio.com/
@@Newrecordday2013 Thanks Ron
Anyone know where the spec's can be found for these speakers? ie, sensitivity, range, etc.
gr-research.com/product/x-ls-encore/
That is one of the cheapest Chinese woofers I’ve ever seen. Are they even made of iron? Close the doors, or else the woofer will blow out of your hands. It may sound ok, but I would take a nice Seas, Vifa or Scan Speak driver.
What are the actual woofer and tweeter drivers? I mean who makes them, Peerless?
Peerless of India
All of the drivers are our own.
Hi. The link to the XLS does not work. 404!
I wonder if soldering my speaker wires directly to the crossover would be better?
As opposed to?
That Peter guy is kinda whacked, huh?
Plans for my RUclips channel? We don't need no stinkin' plans, I'm freestyle now! It's sort of an odd tour around my mind.
There's something not right about the fidget spinner, it shouldn't wobble like that. Maybe needs some coaxing from its creator...
Probably operator error! Or I need to upgrade it’s power cord?
It probably needs a mag-lev platter
Peter I’ve watched your build videos of these twice over. Thanks for all you do! I had originally planned on painting my next pair but your videos may have talked me back into veneering them.
I have your flat pack sitting on my workbench. I'm still refining my baby like noob assembly skills on some cheaper part-express kits.
Miss you on the HiFi poadcast
Much love to that crew.
Im lost, you say MIKE on the video but you link Peter.... can you link mike?
uilleamaudio.com/
@@Newrecordday2013 thanks
"You better Believe it" I want swirl Ice Cream 17:32
My 8 inch carbon fiber woofers with a paper midrange sound is so yummy. ♤☆(my 2.1beedroom system)
Nice!!
Ahh stop all the glowing reviews of these! You're going to drive up the prices of these underground DIY kings!
Hahahaha
You need to be alittle more transparent with your association with CSS
You need to be a little more attentive of the video you just watched.
The CSS website is covered in photos of your studio, maybe an explanation might be in order?
Is that so? CSS? Creative Sound Solutions website is covered with my photos? You might want to take a second look.
@@Newrecordday2013 apologies, wrong channel
Dude… chill out. Have a drink. You take yourself way too seriously. You appear to be addicted to the “perfect sound”….. one can enjoy music without spending $5-$20K … $2,500 gets you plenty, assuming you know where to place your speakers and how to treat your room. You did a good job on those subjects.
How do these compare to the GR Studio monitors?
The X-LS Encore can easily be compared to the Usher BE-718 that won awards at every magazine. And I am pretty sure on that one. I designed the crossovers in the Usher BE-718's also. So they are both my work.
The NX Studio Monitor is on another level. It is more of a cost no object monitor design.
only $1700 us , what a screamer of a deal! ill take 2
Indian manufacture and massive mark ups as soon as Danny/New Record Day types get hold of them and start hyping them... With a view to their nxt years Humvee type purchase
Mike can be contacted at: uilleamaudio.com/
1750+shipping, tax
Clearly the guy is a carpenter and not a skilled electrical tech. That mad my body so uncomfortable when I saw that board!
Those point to point crossovers were pathetic.
I am not a fan of rectangular cabinets, MDF, HDF ...etc
lol those tweeters have so much distortion and the woofers are pretending to have phase plugs. the tweeters are hot trash, which is ironic because Peerless also makes some really good CHEAP tweeters too. i love your content but Danny's opinion ignores measurements (even though he measures the crap out of price point competition) and product referencing of newer designs because he can't get past nostalgia and snake oil and adventure into something outside of his personal opinion. Sure old designs are fine, but at cost there is MUCH MUCH MUCH better sounding parts out there.
Every bit of that is so wrong that I don't even know where to start.
@@dannyrichie9743 it absolutely is not wrong. for you to not know that shows you have not had hands on experience. just because you think it's good does not mean it is ousted by many other products. it's absolute crap
@@djfirestormx No hands on experience? I have been doing this since 1995. Companies bring me or send me their products for testing all the time. My products have been in every magazine online and in print and won all of their highest awards. I have exhibited at all of the shows and won the highest show awards as well. I've also designed every type of speaker there is. Few people in the industry have the experience that I have. You better go do your homework.
@@dannyrichie9743 I have literally seen you post measurements to trash rival brands and those measurements are your room acoustic flaws. Every single speaker you measure has dips and peaks in the same places. And then you go to correct them because the original designer quote didn't take the time. I understand you want to defend your product but don't continuously crap on other people's designs. The fact that you have to put down the competition to make yours better shows what kind of business man you are
@@djfirestormx That is incorrect. I have never posted a room response or any measurement that contains room reflections. We use a gated time window that allows us to get the same frequency response that we would also get when we measured that same speaker in our anechoic chamber. Yes we had an anechoic chamber at our last location. What you see in the measurements are exactly how the speaker measures (no room reflections), and my measurements are and have been confirmed by others including JA at Stereophile.
And the kind of business man I am is the kind that tells the truth. What I show regarding any speaker is exactly how it is.
you should of went with css
Why is that?
@@Newrecordday2013 they sound great and look better at least the woofer does
Ok, your response is what I expected. Thanks for the comment.
Beautiful, but having built speakers with real solid wood baffles, not laminated to MDF I wouldn't recommend it. Not nearly as stable as MDF in a home environment that has central heating (like UK) as they can swell and shrink and crack even at that thickness. That said, gorgeous cabinetry.