There are MSI laptops with i7-8750H and RTX 2060 for around $1300 on newegg I'd really like to see someone review some of those units if it hasn't been done already. THAT seems like the sweet spot of price to performance. Laptops in general are just bad price to performance, but relative the 2060 laptops seems to be the best. Especially considering the 2070 is only a few percent faster than the 2060. Great video. Keep up the great work guys.
@@coolmodee Yeah I know it's the 2070 max-q and that it's barely faster than the rtx 2060 laptop version. It's like maybe 4% faster if I remember correctly, which is what i stated in my original comment. Which also means that if you want the full RTX 2070 laptop version it'll likely cost you even more which is why i feel like the RTX 2060 is probably the sweet spot for gaming laptops. The 1660 Ti is also really good, but some of those cost just as much if not more than the RTX 2060 versions.
@Lassi Kinnunen Yeah, I guess it has a lot to do with preference. I prefer to have a smaller laptop so it's more portable, and then at home I have my gaming desktop.
@Setzer K I can confirm that my sager laptop with a 1080 benchmarks scores are the same as the desktop though it does have a beefy 3 fan cooler in it but it cools enuf to maintain higher clocks matching the desktop and I did not overclock just undervolted.
@Setzer K true most of their laptop gpus are power throttling down to look like thier 10% slower because mine did the same. I cant image how my GPU would do overclocked but I'm sure in an overclocking case the desktop is king do to power and voltage sliders unlocked of corse.
@Lassi Kinnunen Only WTG! On Egg a like Lappy was Gifted to a reviewer who posted and did testing in exchange. Wish I could get in w/ MSI or someone to be able to get new Hd'Ware annually, gratis. Still, this model may be on my Horizon sometime in the nr future, but if can I find a new place quick enuf I can just skip it and kp my GP73 for RoadTrips, and order a custom rig w/ 9900K. Just cramped for space ATM, aft I move, I'm gonna be glad to have a boutique build me something that'll take a Corsair H115i, so I can OC an i9-9900K inside, w/ plenty of fans to keep my NVMe storage and RTX 2070 Super (2 fans or 3) frosty. Maybe a CM H500P case if they still offer it, 2 X 200mm RGB in front crossflows to a 140, form AND function, w/ the CPU rad sucking HottAire out the top. Something on my 6700K rig went belly up as my SS 950 PRO 256GB was starting to nr capacity - twas $234, so couldn't start w/ 512 tho knew I'd need it, 2 X NVMe slots on MoBo, Z170 - B4 I could get the 960/512 inside, twas poss the MoBo. Wasn't my OC as CoreTemp told me I'm fine and even a smaller Tt case was well 'Fanned out'.
I've had my MSI gaming laptop for over 3 years and is still going strong and if you are here in Australia MSI's warranty service is excellent so I can highly recommend MSI for their laptops!
I just bought mine MSI [the one in the video] so i'm not sure how is the officail support, but what I do already fell in love with is the HUGE active community MSI has on its forums, and not just for technical support for actual gaming as well. coming from Lenovo, that change of wind is huge for me.
Captain obvious here, gaming laptops are worth buying for very few people. Basically only if you insist on gaming outdoors or really have to use a laptop for that becuase you live on a boat or military base or whatever. It doesn't get much more niche than that. Most people better buy a cheap laptop ($500-1000) for whatever they need to do outdoor and use a separate desktop computer for gaming.
@Lassi Kinnunen It doesn't take any effort to take care of a computer so you lost me on that point. But thanks for explaining why you like it, I am interested in reading other people their thoughts on it. It really depends on what you want. Yes, you can game with a $1100-1300 laptop if that is up to your standards. My comment was aimed at those typical gaming laptops of $2000-$5000 with a desktop class graphics card, desktop tuned CPU. Heavy, clumsy, the battery gets drained fast. My perspective on gaming with a laptop: - small 15'' monitor - low standing monitor - keyboard which is highly unergonomic (I am tall and I have wide shoulders) and clumsy (I need more space between keys) - noisy and throttling hardware Some of those disadvantages can be solved with a docking station but then still you have throttling hardware and a noisy fan. I use a laptop which used to cost €699 previous year (now the price is €100 lower) which serves me fine for my laptop needs: quadcore hyperthreaded CPU with a boost of 3.8 GHz, 15'' IPS screen, 8 GB of RAM (a bit too little to be fair) and a small SSD (250 GB). I use it for serious work outdoors (virtual machines, programming, CAD, modelling) and I use my desktop PC indoors. Quote to get anything better tho you need to basically double the budget End quote Yes, if you look at that price range of a laptop and avoid those excessively expensive gaming laptops you are correct. Once you want a bit more, then you pay a lot more for laptops while on the desktop you have more reasonable options. Even though the graphics cards market still is rather bad. Having said that: for €208 I can buy the best RX 580 card (Sapphire Nitro) new. So for €208+€80+€100+€40+€70+€130+€50 = €678 (graphics card/RAM/motherboard/PSU/case/CPU (Ryzen 2600)/SSD I can build an excellent 1080p/60 Hz gaming rig which outperforms almost every laptop for productivity.
Being a student I do move around a bit and a desktop is not feasible given that I have to bring it back and forth during holidays which will be very troublesome.
@@techbuildspcsofcourse its good value for money. a gaming pc with rtx 2070 graphics plus a good monitor,keyboard and mouse will cost around 2 grand and that isn't portable.
@@hobomisanthropus2414 I just think it would be wiser to spend half the amount on a 1660 ti laptop and then upgrade a few years down the line, when you need to. You'll still spend the same amount, except that you'll have more up to date tech. Simply put, future proofing isn't a great idea in my opinion.
@@grandmastersreaction1267 A person can sell the RTX 2070 laptop in a year, achieving the same goal. I generally agree with you. Laptops above $2k are a horrible value proposition but in my experience machines in the $1500-$2000 range are worth their prices if bought near the beginning of a GPU generation. Now, would I spend big on a an RTX 20 series machine with the 7nm GPUs looming next year? Only if I had no choice.
One thing to keep in mind is though this is a mid-tier spec'd version you can get one spec'd more powerful than anything MSI offers but in the new Titan. I have the 8 core full laptop RTX 2080 model and it's a beast.
Post some in game screenshots or something! :) - I NVU - but unfortunates nursing units w/ older HD's NVMe!! We need a National tax refund to support the full transition from Spinners to SSD's! Like digital TV vs analog tube sets. Glad I never had to buy 1 of those 'boxes' and try to hook it to a 1970's vintage Zenith 19" piece of Lead!!
I'd AVOID ANYTHING by 'ASSer' over a 22" $79 1080 60, TWICE BURNED (by the SUN) by that PREDATOR of the Consumer to the tune of ½ Grand++ in UNDER 1 SOLAR yr by those FraudSters. 2 yr warr means 2 yrs of non existent, wait on hold for a ½ hr, Dominican speaking useless CS, I'm still close to fluent in Spanish but the accent is too hard on even a pro office phone to follow 100% of the TechnoBabble needed to diagnose this type of Hd'Ware. A gd reason why twas over $600 LESS than the Equiv MSI (or ASUS). STILL under Warr, any1 wanna 1.5 Grand BRICK/TANK w/ pretty kybd lites, and a 'COOOL' Red square around the UseLess TP - digits here too clumsy but gotta use AT LEAST a mid level Mouse for shortcuts even if not gaming. W/ a dead C drv that WON'T let me even enter BIOS. How much do I get if I just rtn the USELESS T-BLt port? Hey, my ext. SS T5 1TB Flys when hooked to my Gen 2 USB 3 type C port just Fine!! Avoid at ALL costs - when messing around w/ the Sun God (Helios), you're Likely 2 get BURNED! TWICE BURNED, NEVER AGAIN - shoulda learned my lesson aft the 1st time - oh well, Live and Learn!!
I think best laptop value today is a 8th or 9th gen i5 or r7 3750H piared with a 1660ti and 16gb of ram . Which most of them have 120Hz FHD IPS display
I do not recommend buying with quad core in 2019, when the new consoles (Playstation 5) launch next year with Ryzen octo-cores. You'll be instantly below the hardware requirements for PC ports.
Since Freesync is now supported on Nvidia GPUs, why are manufacturers still not applying this tech in their laptops as it probably wont cost them as much as GSync panels?
My understanding is that GSync on laptops has always been adaptive sync over vesa (of which freesync is an implementation), not traditional GSync which requires hardware.
@J G but people with no basic knowledge of hardware will see Max-Q advertised as Silent,Power Efficient,Light So theyll just buy it, thats why always research before buying anything lol
$2128 at XOTIC PC, swaps out std NVMe 512GB boot w/ SamSung 970 PRO - $129 MUCH LESS than aftermarket, don't gotta run S.S. migrate, 2nd NVMe slot still free (plus the 2.5, I'd add a 7200 WD Blk or HGST to store files). If I wasn't ATM keyin this on a Perfect MSI GP73 (970 PRO sitting next to me), stock HGST TravStar 32MB 7200 (WD made - grt p'formNCe as I've had this drv stock in my last few lappy's) FULL GTX 1070, 16GB 2666, I'd be grabbin this up in a hot minute. My DT replacement - too old here to do a full DT frm scratch like I used too, wavering eyes, numb fingers - those MB Standoff's, etc), cramped quarters, so the 6 cell PowerPakk on a 17" dsply is OK. Just 60Hz, but I'm jacked to my 52" 1080p Aquos Panel so I'm covered. Once I trace faults on my old DT, I'm into A 27" 2K 165Hz gamers screen, so I'm still fine, gotta move anyway so then I'll have rm to setup all. Hope that 27" still under warr works, MY error, next time gotta go for the ASUS 279Q or whatever, IPS, G-SYNC, same specs as my 27 now (144 native, OC to 165), but my qtrs made for my desk blocking the bottom of that TV, so I didn't get the ASUS screen so I could adjust the 27 lower so as to not block the bottom of the pic, for viewing sports, etc. I'd prolly only get MSI or ASUS (have owned a few of both) in a higher end lappy. Usu prefer 70 level Gfx. I pretty much got all but RayTrace now, but the GTX 2070 FullVers prolly makes More ¢ than the 2080 MIN-(Q)uipple!! Even FC5 which was handed out w/ the DT RTX GPU's don't use RT. Upon release of CP2077, I get something new prolly, or slap in a MSI twin fan or EVGA RTX 2070 SUPER XC GAMING or Ultra, if I can scrounge a DT around here that'll take it, or finally spring for a new DT. XPC offers 2nd full yr warr on this Raider GE75-286, prolly close to $200 elsewhere, exclusive to them, verified by phone. I may just get 1 anyway, can't resist the temptation. 1TB NVMe goes in slot 2 if price drops enuf later. 8750H inside ATM. Hoping the 2 grand List eventually might ease down, but few beefs on my GP73 now anyway. GAME ON! And may the Power of Orion be w/ us All! Captain T. Centredellion out, StarDate 2/6/11340 AD SKDN/lcl -- transmitted from the Mu Quadrant on FeraGonic Energy enhanced Bi-Channeled Baryonic carrier wave, ExoBit class BandWidth, effective transmission spd, Warp 380 -- TAKE THAT you Cardassian Imperialistic Terrorists!! PS to Cmdre Furdell aboard ISS FeraDawn -- Tell Cmdr DeSont to deploy the ChronoDiverter Deflector Barriers well B4 entering the sector, and Interface w/ the Morphic Shielding, we will be entering extremely Dangerous Territory. I will have the ISS Cadanya at the Rendezvous pt in under 28 hrs. Final tests are being run ATM by Lt Cmdr Spinner on the HyperGravity Displacement Cannon, and he is in RealTime Contact w/ Dante Daystrom at the Institute Annex, it s/b fully operational well B4 rendezvous. Just hope we don't have to use it! =/\=
Finally. I waited so long for the detailed review of a laptop with full 2070 or 2080 inside. I'm content with these numbers. But I would really like to see how full 2080 laptop variant will do... And then I'll make up my mind
$1499 for a full spec RTX 2070 laptop except an i7-8750H, a G-SYNC enabled 144Hz display, 62Wh battery, and much better sound. If you tune it, it can outperform even the 9750H in certain applications. Clevo PB70EF-G (PowerSpec 1720) all day long.
The real problem of this laptop is battery life. I have the version with 8750h and it lasts 2 hours with with every kind of option for save energy. On the contrary the gs75 8sg last at least 6 hours and it has the same hardware of ge (except a bigger battery and the 2080 max-q).
I don't understand why MSI only does the 240hz screen on the GS65, it uses MaxQ & is thermally challenged making it kinda pointless except for paper specs. They should throw it on the GE65 models and maybe the GT63 dominator refresh if they ever bring that line back.
im getting a version of this thats an RTX 2060 and an i7 10750h with 16 gigs ram and 500gig SSD. this still going to be pretty fast and solid compared to a 1070 laptop? still at least going to be solid on games?
Main issue with this model appears to be thermal throttling if you have a good look around at reviews & thermal paste changing + upgraded pads is a must for actual gaming on it. I have an old GT783 from 2012 and never ran into thermal issues however the new GT models are ridiculously overpriced (because of the desktop CPU) the thermal issues on the GE have turned me off considering they are quite a bit more expensive than the GT was many years ago. You shouldn't have to get a brand new laptop for $3300-4500 (RTX2080 at the higher end) and need to open it up immediately and start fiddling because the manufacturer was cheaping out and being lazy + bumping up the price a lot. I feel that MSI have dropped the ball with some of their product lines as time has gone on and I have lost confidence in using them for my next desktop build.
Hey, I’m using an Alienware R5 17, 8Gen 1070 Gpu 32 Hb ram, I planning on switching, kindly advice me at best, should I switch or be with the Alienware, I had the MSI GS73 VR, honestly it was the worst Laptop ever bought. So I’m confused will it perform better then Alienware or should I stick with it? Kindly let me know.
My worst enemy is the ping. Not the CPU or the GPU. I can live with lower graphics setting, but when you have a 300ms ping in your hotel room, sometimes forced through wifi. No hardware can help you.
Hey thanks for the great review. Seems it has great temperatures, but what clock was it running at? I can't believe it ran at full blast on watchdogs at around 80 degrees. If it did i'm sold XD
I am a Not much graphics Enthusiastic. I play games most of the time on high settings with some settings on middle because dont mind them. And i prefer higher frame Rates. My question is with undervolting and my prefered gaming settings did u think without Any raytracing that i could have cooling issues and loud Fans? Or did u think good Spot with heat and Fan noise in my case?
Prefer Sager Notebooks but they are essentially mobile desktops. Huge power hungry Laptops that use custom chassis and cooling solutions to cram desktop components in a 17inch mobile form factor. Using cheaper desktop silicon keeps the prices competitive for the power you get, but it's still a premium over a real desktop. Obviously the biggest drawback is power draw. Don't even bother gaming off power. They have real 9600k 9700k and 9900k's installed. But getting a laptop cinebench R15 over 1500 is nice. $2400 for a 9700k, RTX2070, 16gb 3200mhz Memory SSD and a 144hz Gsync 1080p monitor. People forget laptops include all the peripherals built in. Which is why they seem more expensive. Hell that Gsync monitor alone is around another $500.
Hello I have msi ge75 17inch I7 10750h 6core 32 ram Rtx 2070 super 512 ssd Itb hdd Are this good for 3dmax rendering. Autocad . Lumion . Premier. Sony vegas ?
are the RTX on laptops are better now? several months ago I came across a lot of comment that people having a lot of problem of the 2070 2080 RTX on gaming laptops. edit: I ended up buying the ASUS ROG Strix Scar II GL704GW instead.
Probably not, since there's only a few full AMD GPUed laptop, and it is slower, heavier than nvidia counterpart (albeit cheaper by abit). You'll have to wait until 7nm or whatever is next.
@@rezandigiga5461 i dont know im kinda skeptical about buying this because a super laptop might come out Although they suck up more power = price will increase
@@pug2858 power usage increase = more heat. Maybe there can be 2070 super, but then, why? Yes AMD rx 5700 series is out and it is as power efficient as nvidia, but it's not on mobile yet. The only high end mobile amd gpu was the vega 56 equipped asus. And even then it is slower than gtx 1070 mobile. Buy either msi ge 63 8sf/9sf or asus gl504 gw, or clevo pb51efg, all with rtx 2070 and about 2000$ or less. (Clevo for 1800 ish)
@@pug2858 IMO, stick with it for another year or so. Wait for 7nm. Rtx 2080 upgrade do provide around 30-50%, but then it is mext year for 7nm. 15 R3 is no slouch. My laptop's only has gtx 765m, you know the pain I'm in rite now
Right now I think the ryzen laptops with 1660tis are some of the best bang for the buck laptops at the moment I believe they're going to be around 1200 bucks
So the difference between this and the GL75 are the Hz (144 vs 120) the GPU (2060 vs 2070) and the price ($500). Now, the difference between 144 and 120 is negligible since FPS-difference doesn't matter at that level. So the question becomes: Are the 2070 really 500 dollars better than the 2060? Sounds highly doubtful to me.
@@Grimmjow19872 It's better, of course, I'm not arguing that, but are those 2 gigs really 500 dollars better? Is it worth it? I mean, 6 gigs is still very solid.
Great if you can forego that xtra real estate on the dsply. May be Under 5 Lbs! NO need for a Razer w/ fewer ports and features, and fewer bills left in your Wallet or bank acct!
How many frames are needed on a 17" scrn anyway, the 9750 is 8 cores, but maybe not needed, but I prolly stick w/ 70 LvL Gfx on a pt'ble, but I've seen 1080 units cut way down on flash sales and stuff. Don't know the exact perf. increase, 1070 to 1080.
I can't see updating my gaming laptop anytime soon. It has 1440p display. Now it seems that only 4K and 1080p displays are an option. I don't see the point of a 4K gaming laptop. Laptop 2070s aren't even the full GPU. My laptops GTX 1080 is an actual GTX 1080.
The build quality and features does NOT live up with the price. You can build a RTX 2080 desktop for the same price. The sweet spot in laptops in either GTX 1660 Ti or RTX 2060.
but you don't buy a laptop if you need a desktop just like you don't buy a gaming laptop if you just want to browse the internet. some people want a powerful gaming laptop because they like the portability and flexibility of having one. also you say the sweetspot for gaming laptops is the 1660ti and rtx 2060 versions but for the price of those laptops,you can still get a more powerful desktop.
@@NGT4LIFE For sure, but at the price of 1200$(1660 ti laptop) and 1600$(2060 laptop), the gap between desktop version and mobile version is the least AND the best bang for your buck.
and again Intel raises the price by ensuring that you have to have a Core i7 not a i5, which may not be slower in gaming but is much cheaper but can't be paired with a 2070....
ATM, possibly so, 'specially since very few titles or apps even utilize RayTrace at All now! For the time being my 1070 is fine, but I luvv nuu Toyzzzz! Prices should drop, eventually. Hope enuf for just a DT RTX 2070 Super to slap in the slot after CP2077 comes out!
I have a really good desktop (R5E10, 5960x, vega64 blablabla), but i'm actually considering buying a laptop aswell, because due to my work, i have to travel a lot and... You know, an h700i isn't something i'd call "portable" :/ Student also buy gaming laptop because they're often at their places/at the parent house/lan/school, so they need a laptop, even if it's clearly not the best you can have for your bucks...
But yeah, something mid tier like a 1660ti or back in the days 1060 6gb, are the sweet spot, beyond that it goes really to expensive, and it's going to be obsolete anyway
There are MSI laptops with i7-8750H and RTX 2060 for around $1300 on newegg I'd really like to see someone review some of those units if it hasn't been done already. THAT seems like the sweet spot of price to performance. Laptops in general are just bad price to performance, but relative the 2060 laptops seems to be the best. Especially considering the 2070 is only a few percent faster than the 2060. Great video. Keep up the great work guys.
That's only the 2070 max q. The performance is dam near the same as a 2060. It's slightly faster.
@@coolmodee Yeah I know it's the 2070 max-q and that it's barely faster than the rtx 2060 laptop version. It's like maybe 4% faster if I remember correctly, which is what i stated in my original comment. Which also means that if you want the full RTX 2070 laptop version it'll likely cost you even more which is why i feel like the RTX 2060 is probably the sweet spot for gaming laptops. The 1660 Ti is also really good, but some of those cost just as much if not more than the RTX 2060 versions.
3299.00 Aussie Dollaroos!
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I would never get a gaming laptop, but I have to admit, the MSI laptops are beautiful.
@Lassi Kinnunen Yeah, I guess it has a lot to do with preference. I prefer to have a smaller laptop so it's more portable, and then at home I have my gaming desktop.
Tends to not be so pretty on the inside for what I've seen over the years.
@Setzer K I can confirm that my sager laptop with a 1080 benchmarks scores are the same as the desktop though it does have a beefy 3 fan cooler in it but it cools enuf to maintain higher clocks matching the desktop and I did not overclock just undervolted.
@Setzer K true most of their laptop gpus are power throttling down to look like thier 10% slower because mine did the same. I cant image how my GPU would do overclocked but I'm sure in an overclocking case the desktop is king do to power and voltage sliders unlocked of corse.
@Lassi Kinnunen Only WTG! On Egg a like Lappy was Gifted to a reviewer who posted and did testing in exchange. Wish I could get in w/ MSI or someone to be able to get new Hd'Ware annually, gratis. Still, this model may be on my Horizon sometime in the nr future, but if can I find a new place quick enuf I can just skip it and kp my GP73 for RoadTrips, and order a custom rig w/ 9900K. Just cramped for space ATM, aft I move, I'm gonna be glad to have a boutique build me something that'll take a Corsair H115i, so I can OC an i9-9900K inside, w/ plenty of fans to keep my NVMe storage and RTX 2070 Super (2 fans or 3) frosty. Maybe a CM H500P case if they still offer it, 2 X 200mm RGB in front crossflows to a 140, form AND function, w/ the CPU rad sucking HottAire out the top. Something on my 6700K rig went belly up as my SS 950 PRO 256GB was starting to nr capacity - twas $234, so couldn't start w/ 512 tho knew I'd need it, 2 X NVMe slots on MoBo, Z170 - B4 I could get the 960/512 inside, twas poss the MoBo. Wasn't my OC as CoreTemp told me I'm fine and even a smaller Tt case was well 'Fanned out'.
Really enjoy the laptop content you guys have been providing lately!
I've had my MSI gaming laptop for over 3 years and is still going strong and if you are here in Australia MSI's warranty service is excellent so I can highly recommend MSI for their laptops!
I just bought mine MSI [the one in the video] so i'm not sure how is the officail support, but what I do already fell in love with is the HUGE active community MSI has on its forums, and not just for technical support for actual gaming as well. coming from Lenovo, that change of wind is huge for me.
@@GrGal Well I hope you enjoy it and it gives you years of trouble free usage!
Captain obvious here, gaming laptops are worth buying for very few people. Basically only if you insist on gaming outdoors or really have to use a laptop for that becuase you live on a boat or military base or whatever. It doesn't get much more niche than that. Most people better buy a cheap laptop ($500-1000) for whatever they need to do outdoor and use a separate desktop computer for gaming.
Maybe i dont want two systems.
@@hwstar9416 then a gaming laptop is probably a good choice for you.
@Lassi Kinnunen
It doesn't take any effort to take care of a computer so you lost me on that point. But thanks for explaining why you like it, I am interested in reading other people their thoughts on it.
It really depends on what you want. Yes, you can game with a $1100-1300 laptop if that is up to your standards. My comment was aimed at those typical gaming laptops of $2000-$5000 with a desktop class graphics card, desktop tuned CPU. Heavy, clumsy, the battery gets drained fast.
My perspective on gaming with a laptop:
- small 15'' monitor
- low standing monitor
- keyboard which is highly unergonomic (I am tall and I have wide shoulders) and clumsy (I need more space between keys)
- noisy and throttling hardware
Some of those disadvantages can be solved with a docking station but then still you have throttling hardware and a noisy fan. I use a laptop which used to cost €699 previous year (now the price is €100 lower) which serves me fine for my laptop needs: quadcore hyperthreaded CPU with a boost of 3.8 GHz, 15'' IPS screen, 8 GB of RAM (a bit too little to be fair) and a small SSD (250 GB). I use it for serious work outdoors (virtual machines, programming, CAD, modelling) and I use my desktop PC indoors.
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to get anything better tho you need to basically double the budget
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Yes, if you look at that price range of a laptop and avoid those excessively expensive gaming laptops you are correct. Once you want a bit more, then you pay a lot more for laptops while on the desktop you have more reasonable options. Even though the graphics cards market still is rather bad. Having said that: for €208 I can buy the best RX 580 card (Sapphire Nitro) new. So for €208+€80+€100+€40+€70+€130+€50 = €678 (graphics card/RAM/motherboard/PSU/case/CPU (Ryzen 2600)/SSD I can build an excellent 1080p/60 Hz gaming rig which outperforms almost every laptop for productivity.
Being a student I do move around a bit and a desktop is not feasible given that I have to bring it back and forth during holidays which will be very troublesome.
@@Seanweekhaizhen
In that case it makes sense.
Been thinking of getting this laptop for a while now... hope it will be a good purchase :3
Soooo.. did you get it? I'm looking at just the smaller one GE63 8SF. Huge sale on them here where I live.
>reasonably priced
>$2k
NOPE NOPE NOPE
Even AMD latest gaming laptop for around 1k seems more appealing. Even if it's still not around under 1k for cheapos XP
Come on, IT IS reasonably priced for what it offers.
Winnetou17 no it’s not lol
@@techbuildspcsofcourse its good value for money.
a gaming pc with rtx 2070 graphics
plus a good monitor,keyboard and mouse will cost around 2 grand
and that isn't portable.
@@NGT4LIFE have fun feeling with msi support it something breaks. And it will. Also these are probably 2070 downgraded our under clocked graphics
Thank you for the chart with the desktop comparison.
A 1660 ti laptop is the only laptop worth getting.
You say that, but you can't upgrade laptops. So... you can spend twice as much and have something that stays viable three times as long.
@@hobomisanthropus2414 I just think it would be wiser to spend half the amount on a 1660 ti laptop and then upgrade a few years down the line, when you need to. You'll still spend the same amount, except that you'll have more up to date tech. Simply put, future proofing isn't a great idea in my opinion.
Depends on who
My preferences are the middle of Mid and High range laptop which suits perfectly like this
@@grandmastersreaction1267 A person can sell the RTX 2070 laptop in a year, achieving the same goal. I generally agree with you. Laptops above $2k are a horrible value proposition but in my experience machines in the $1500-$2000 range are worth their prices if bought near the beginning of a GPU generation. Now, would I spend big on a an RTX 20 series machine with the 7nm GPUs looming next year? Only if I had no choice.
One thing to keep in mind is though this is a mid-tier spec'd version you can get one spec'd more powerful than anything MSI offers but in the new Titan. I have the 8 core full laptop RTX 2080 model and it's a beast.
Post some in game screenshots or something! :) - I NVU - but unfortunates nursing units w/ older HD's NVMe!! We need a National tax refund to support the full transition from Spinners to SSD's! Like digital TV vs analog tube sets. Glad I never had to buy 1 of those 'boxes' and try to hook it to a 1970's vintage Zenith 19" piece of Lead!!
Please do a review for the 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 .
i7 9750H + GTX 1660Ti for $1200 .
I'd AVOID ANYTHING by 'ASSer' over a 22" $79 1080 60, TWICE BURNED (by the SUN) by that PREDATOR of the Consumer to the tune of ½ Grand++ in UNDER 1 SOLAR yr by those FraudSters. 2 yr warr means 2 yrs of non existent, wait on hold for a ½ hr, Dominican speaking useless CS, I'm still close to fluent in Spanish but the accent is too hard on even a pro office phone to follow 100% of the TechnoBabble needed to diagnose this type of Hd'Ware. A gd reason why twas over $600 LESS than the Equiv MSI (or ASUS). STILL under Warr, any1 wanna 1.5 Grand BRICK/TANK w/ pretty kybd lites, and a 'COOOL' Red square around the UseLess TP - digits here too clumsy but gotta use AT LEAST a mid level Mouse for shortcuts even if not gaming. W/ a dead C drv that WON'T let me even enter BIOS. How much do I get if I just rtn the USELESS T-BLt port? Hey, my ext. SS T5 1TB Flys when hooked to my Gen 2 USB 3 type C port just Fine!!
Avoid at ALL costs - when messing around w/ the Sun God (Helios), you're Likely 2 get BURNED! TWICE BURNED, NEVER AGAIN - shoulda learned my lesson aft the 1st time - oh well, Live and Learn!!
@@Total_Recall shut up
I think best laptop value today is a 8th or 9th gen i5 or r7 3750H piared with a 1660ti and 16gb of ram . Which most of them have 120Hz FHD IPS display
@Patrick Burwash get the gtx 1060 model then
@Patrick Burwash but you only want 60hz anyway 1060 is enough
@Setzer K GTX 1650 is not bad I have an integrated Intel HD 620
@Setzer K K true
I do not recommend buying with quad core in 2019, when the new consoles (Playstation 5) launch next year with Ryzen octo-cores. You'll be instantly below the hardware requirements for PC ports.
Since Freesync is now supported on Nvidia GPUs, why are manufacturers still not applying this tech in their laptops as it probably wont cost them as much as GSync panels?
David_EN beyond me
My understanding is that GSync on laptops has always been adaptive sync over vesa (of which freesync is an implementation), not traditional GSync which requires hardware.
Looking forward to you guys testing the Aero 17 with a 4k screen. I think that would be my ideal laptop
2080 Max-Q is the most useless product ever.
agree
Yes.
@J G but people with no basic knowledge of hardware will see Max-Q advertised as Silent,Power Efficient,Light
So theyll just buy it, thats why always research before buying anything lol
$2128 at XOTIC PC, swaps out std NVMe 512GB boot w/ SamSung 970 PRO - $129 MUCH LESS than aftermarket, don't gotta run S.S. migrate, 2nd NVMe slot still free (plus the 2.5, I'd add a 7200 WD Blk or HGST to store files). If I wasn't ATM keyin this on a Perfect MSI GP73 (970 PRO sitting next to me), stock HGST TravStar 32MB 7200 (WD made - grt p'formNCe as I've had this drv stock in my last few lappy's) FULL GTX 1070, 16GB 2666, I'd be grabbin this up in a hot minute. My DT replacement - too old here to do a full DT frm scratch like I used too, wavering eyes, numb fingers - those MB Standoff's, etc), cramped quarters, so the 6 cell PowerPakk on a 17" dsply is OK. Just 60Hz, but I'm jacked to my 52" 1080p Aquos Panel so I'm covered. Once I trace faults on my old DT, I'm into A 27" 2K 165Hz gamers screen, so I'm still fine, gotta move anyway so then I'll have rm to setup all. Hope that 27" still under warr works, MY error, next time gotta go for the ASUS 279Q or whatever, IPS, G-SYNC, same specs as my 27 now (144 native, OC to 165), but my qtrs made for my desk blocking the bottom of that TV, so I didn't get the ASUS screen so I could adjust the 27 lower so as to not block the bottom of the pic, for viewing sports, etc. I'd prolly only get MSI or ASUS (have owned a few of both) in a higher end lappy. Usu prefer 70 level Gfx. I pretty much got all but RayTrace now, but the GTX 2070 FullVers prolly makes More ¢ than the 2080 MIN-(Q)uipple!! Even FC5 which was handed out w/ the DT RTX GPU's don't use RT. Upon release of CP2077, I get something new prolly, or slap in a MSI twin fan or EVGA RTX 2070 SUPER XC GAMING or Ultra, if I can scrounge a DT around here that'll take it, or finally spring for a new DT.
XPC offers 2nd full yr warr on this Raider GE75-286, prolly close to $200 elsewhere, exclusive to them, verified by phone. I may just get 1 anyway, can't resist the temptation. 1TB NVMe goes in slot 2 if price drops enuf later. 8750H inside ATM. Hoping the 2 grand List eventually might ease down, but few beefs on my GP73 now anyway.
GAME ON! And may the Power of Orion be w/ us All!
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Anything Max-Q is useless piece of shit and it's one down the step GPU. So buying non Max-Q is best as a matter of fact.
Finally. I waited so long for the detailed review of a laptop with full 2070 or 2080 inside. I'm content with these numbers. But I would really like to see how full 2080 laptop variant will do... And then I'll make up my mind
$1499 for a full spec RTX 2070 laptop except an i7-8750H, a G-SYNC enabled 144Hz display, 62Wh battery, and much better sound. If you tune it, it can outperform even the 9750H in certain applications. Clevo PB70EF-G (PowerSpec 1720) all day long.
The real problem of this laptop is battery life. I have the version with 8750h and it lasts 2 hours with with every kind of option for save energy. On the contrary the gs75 8sg last at least 6 hours and it has the same hardware of ge (except a bigger battery and the 2080 max-q).
Which one is better?
Dude u deserve more 2m subs
I don't believe you mentioned how it compares to a Desktop or Laptop variant standard RTX 1080? or Did I just miss that
I don't understand why MSI only does the 240hz screen on the GS65, it uses MaxQ & is thermally challenged making it kinda pointless except for paper specs. They should throw it on the GE65 models and maybe the GT63 dominator refresh if they ever bring that line back.
This is my 3rd video in a row that has a different opinion on the screen brightness(nits)
I could get me a gaming laptop in the near future, but 12/14 nm isn't a good bet unless one just can't wait.
Nice review , Please review Asus Rog strix scar 3.
im getting a version of this thats an RTX 2060 and an i7 10750h with 16 gigs ram and 500gig SSD. this still going to be pretty fast and solid compared to a 1070 laptop? still at least going to be solid on games?
Any noise level measurements? Any throttling or overheating issues?
Noise can crank up tho, but with headphones it's not really noticeable, and idle you can crank it up or leave it almost shut off
Id recommend changing thermal paste to the best one
Dropped 15c on my aw 15r3-1070
I really hope some amd configurations like this with ryzen and Navi next year!
I can't believe this is arriving to me the next 14 hours!
Hi man! could you share with us your first impressions of this laptop? :)
how's the laptop ? ;)
@@Physicskid1000 it blasted
Similarly spec'd GL65 rtx 2070 variant for $1399 atm. Is that worth it?
Main issue with this model appears to be thermal throttling if you have a good look around at reviews & thermal paste changing + upgraded pads is a must for actual gaming on it. I have an old GT783 from 2012 and never ran into thermal issues however the new GT models are ridiculously overpriced (because of the desktop CPU) the thermal issues on the GE have turned me off considering they are quite a bit more expensive than the GT was many years ago. You shouldn't have to get a brand new laptop for $3300-4500 (RTX2080 at the higher end) and need to open it up immediately and start fiddling because the manufacturer was cheaping out and being lazy + bumping up the price a lot. I feel that MSI have dropped the ball with some of their product lines as time has gone on and I have lost confidence in using them for my next desktop build.
Hey, I’m using an Alienware R5 17, 8Gen 1070 Gpu 32 Hb ram, I planning on switching, kindly advice me at best, should I switch or be with the Alienware, I had the MSI GS73 VR, honestly it was the worst Laptop ever bought. So I’m confused will it perform better then Alienware or should I stick with it? Kindly let me know.
Any chance you will be able to review the Zephyrus with the 2070? I know its more expensive, but i like how much thinner it it
Zephyrus s gx701gw?
Can you do a comparison with gs75 and ge75 !
its really easy gs75 use rtx 2080 max q and ge75 which have the full rtx 2080 Also gs75 is really thin than ge75 and gs75 is more expensive than ge75
Trying to decide between this and the Asus Scar II.
Does the MSI GS65 9th gen with GTX 1660 Ti thermal throttle?
My worst enemy is the ping. Not the CPU or the GPU. I can live with lower graphics setting, but when you have a 300ms ping in your hotel room, sometimes forced through wifi. No hardware can help you.
Amen to that!
I have 2 MSI Gaming laptops a 2nd gen gs60(5700hq,16gb,gtx870m 3gb) and a gs70(4700hq,16gb,760m 2gb),both are great.
Does anyone know the model # or a source for the 6 cell 65wh battery for the GE75 Raider Series?
Ge75 9sf 2400 euro vs acer helios 700 with Same specs but more double of ram for 2439 euros? Dont mind Bulli ess what would you recommend?
Hey thanks for the great review. Seems it has great temperatures, but what clock was it running at? I can't believe it ran at full blast on watchdogs at around 80 degrees. If it did i'm sold XD
I’m getting the MSI GE75 Raider with a 2080 RTX and 16GB ram the CPU is an i7 9750h.
I am a Not much graphics Enthusiastic. I play games most of the time on high settings with some settings on middle because dont mind them. And i prefer higher frame Rates. My question is with undervolting and my prefered gaming settings did u think without Any raytracing that i could have cooling issues and loud Fans? Or did u think good Spot with heat and Fan noise in my case?
I don't even care about laptops and I'm watching this. Hardware Unboxed makes me watch anything.
Monster hunter world stays at 90 degrees c. On msi ge75 i9 rtx 2080. O ly game that has that high of temps. Ever exceeds 91 is this safe?
Todays order 17 inch rtx2070 i5 8600 500gb nvme 2x8gb 2666 1389€ clevo n970
Couldn't get any better
Prefer Sager Notebooks but they are essentially mobile desktops. Huge power hungry Laptops that use custom chassis and cooling solutions to cram desktop components in a 17inch mobile form factor.
Using cheaper desktop silicon keeps the prices competitive for the power you get, but it's still a premium over a real desktop. Obviously the biggest drawback is power draw. Don't even bother gaming off power. They have real 9600k 9700k and 9900k's installed. But getting a laptop cinebench R15 over 1500 is nice.
$2400 for a 9700k, RTX2070, 16gb 3200mhz Memory SSD and a 144hz Gsync 1080p monitor.
People forget laptops include all the peripherals built in. Which is why they seem more expensive. Hell that Gsync monitor alone is around another $500.
I would buy one of this one.
Is the Msi GE75 Raider its predecessor? If so what's the key differences between the GE75 and this GE65 version?
65 is 15.6 inch meanwhile 75 is 17.3 inch
I'm considering between MSI GE75-9SF and ASUS RoG Zephyrus S GX701G-W...anyone have any reliable reference to make a pick?
lol, same here, hard to choose for me
@@fireedo I'm actually just worrying that the zephyrus one have lesser power for its gpu
I do not know which to choose for hardcore gaming and for a good cooling
@@nznicholas97 but the zephyrus has an anti dust
Choose for the best thermals
Browsing Amazon I noticed this great deal. $1,338
ASUS ROG Zephyrus S Ultra Slim Gaming PC Laptop, 15.6” 144Hz IPS Type, Intel Core i7-8750H CPU, GeForce GTX 1070, 16GB DDR4, 512GB PCIe SSD
That is a very nice machine, definitely stacks up w/ the MSI offerings in that class, either 1 prolly cant go wrong, I've owned both.
Hello
I have msi ge75 17inch
I7 10750h 6core
32 ram
Rtx 2070 super
512 ssd
Itb hdd
Are this good for 3dmax rendering. Autocad . Lumion . Premier. Sony vegas ?
are the RTX on laptops are better now? several months ago I came across a lot of comment that people having a lot of problem of the 2070 2080 RTX on gaming laptops.
edit: I ended up buying the ASUS ROG Strix Scar II GL704GW instead.
so msi ge75 or lenovo y740 or hp omen 15 all with same specs ?
Will we get SUPER RTX for laptops?
Probably not, since there's only a few full AMD GPUed laptop, and it is slower, heavier than nvidia counterpart (albeit cheaper by abit).
You'll have to wait until 7nm or whatever is next.
@@rezandigiga5461 i dont know im kinda skeptical about buying this because a super laptop might come out
Although they suck up more power = price will increase
@@pug2858 power usage increase = more heat. Maybe there can be 2070 super, but then, why?
Yes AMD rx 5700 series is out and it is as power efficient as nvidia, but it's not on mobile yet.
The only high end mobile amd gpu was the vega 56 equipped asus. And even then it is slower than gtx 1070 mobile.
Buy either msi ge 63 8sf/9sf or asus gl504 gw, or clevo pb51efg, all with rtx 2070 and about 2000$ or less. (Clevo for 1800 ish)
@@rezandigiga5461 ive already got a 15 R3 i wanted a lil upgrade but the 2080 ge looks promising
@@pug2858 IMO, stick with it for another year or so.
Wait for 7nm.
Rtx 2080 upgrade do provide around 30-50%, but then it is mext year for 7nm.
15 R3 is no slouch.
My laptop's only has gtx 765m, you know the pain I'm in rite now
Right now I think the ryzen laptops with 1660tis are some of the best bang for the buck laptops at the moment I believe they're going to be around 1200 bucks
I am confused... asus rog strix scar 3 with rtx2070 g731gw 17inc or msi ge75 raider 9sf??????? This is my problem.. 😩
Mine tooo please help me also if u get any solution
Im. Burning my head confused due to this too in thermal and durability and performance basis, for months... Please help
@@iamanupjoshi go with the msi man i had the asus had to return.... plastic garbage feels like a toy... msi have better build quality
So the difference between this and the GL75 are the Hz (144 vs 120) the GPU (2060 vs 2070) and the price ($500).
Now, the difference between 144 and 120 is negligible since FPS-difference doesn't matter at that level. So the question becomes: Are the 2070 really 500 dollars better than the 2060? Sounds highly doubtful to me.
Bård yes I would go with the rtx 2070 with 8gb video memory. The rtx 2060 only has 6gb.
@@Grimmjow19872 It's better, of course, I'm not arguing that, but are those 2 gigs really 500 dollars better? Is it worth it? I mean, 6 gigs is still very solid.
Please review the MSI GE65..!!
Great if you can forego that xtra real estate on the dsply. May be Under 5 Lbs! NO need for a Razer w/ fewer ports and features, and fewer bills left in your Wallet or bank acct!
Can you compare the ASUS TUF with Ryzen laptop with GTX 1650 to the i5 8300h with GTX 1060
So it's better than the 9SG (RTX2080) ??? (Incase of value) it cost $700 more in my country for upgrading from the 9SF
Please compare this laptop with the scar 3 i7 9th gen , Rtx 2070
Any chance of comparing this to an i7 8750H/GTX 1080 combo?
How many frames are needed on a 17" scrn anyway, the 9750 is 8 cores, but maybe not needed, but I prolly stick w/ 70 LvL Gfx on a pt'ble, but I've seen 1080 units cut way down on flash sales and stuff. Don't know the exact perf. increase, 1070 to 1080.
I can't see updating my gaming laptop anytime soon. It has 1440p display. Now it seems that only 4K and 1080p displays are an option. I don't see the point of a 4K gaming laptop. Laptop 2070s aren't even the full GPU. My laptops GTX 1080 is an actual GTX 1080.
Can you review the msi optix mag271r or the mag 271v?
How were the Dynaudio speakers? I have the 8SF and they SUCK!!!!
is this vr ready?
GP75 Please!
The new acer helios 300 review pleas! The one with the 1660 ti and 9750h
can you redo the radeon 7 review with the new drivers ?
You're kidding right?
@@ericliu8434 no why?
@@juGGaKNotEmpire Becuase they've already done it?
I've never thought the 10/2070 or 10/2080 products were worth it.
Personally, I see the most value in the 1660 ti laptops.
Its like the 2060 but without ray tracing
can the usb c gen 1 support 2k at 144hz???
i'm not really a fan of the plastic base...that's one of the reasons MSI wouldn't be one of my first choices for a laptop.
I still preffer my ROG SCAR II RTX2070 I got it for $1600 in the US
How can I active usb port led?
for that price in my country you only get RTX 2060 laptops... 500 dollar more and we get to the 2070 territory
The build quality and features does NOT live up with the price. You can build a RTX 2080 desktop for the same price. The sweet spot in laptops in either GTX 1660 Ti or RTX 2060.
but you don't buy a laptop if you need a desktop
just like you don't buy a gaming laptop if you just want to browse the internet.
some people want a powerful gaming laptop because they like the portability and flexibility of having one.
also you say the sweetspot for gaming laptops is the 1660ti and rtx 2060 versions
but for the price of those laptops,you can still get a more powerful desktop.
@@NGT4LIFE For sure, but at the price of 1200$(1660 ti laptop) and 1600$(2060 laptop), the gap between desktop version and mobile version is the least AND the best bang for your buck.
Thx bro
and again Intel raises the price by ensuring that you have to have a Core i7 not a i5, which may not be slower in gaming but is much cheaper but can't be paired with a 2070....
will u review hp omen rtx 2060
I got msi ge63 with rtx2070 for 2300 Australian dollars 😏 ( brand new)
2:49 not great, not terrible...
MSI ge75 raider 9sf or Asus rog Strix scar 3 g731gw?(For cooling systeme, hardcore gaming and durability)
You got any solution for this kirito?
the GTX 1660 ti in laptops is only 13% at most slower than a 2080 MaxQ also
There is a deal rn on rtx 2070 config for 1499$
Do a review of MAG271CQR. Pleaseeeee
This I like but it's overpriced. I'll buy something with these specs when the price is maybe 30 percent lower.
Rtx laptops are overpriced
ATM, possibly so, 'specially since very few titles or apps even utilize RayTrace at All now! For the time being my 1070 is fine, but I luvv nuu Toyzzzz! Prices should drop, eventually. Hope enuf for just a DT RTX 2070 Super to slap in the slot after CP2077 comes out!
Somebody needs to ring up William Gibson for strategic preview tips, and post it here! The Holy Father of CyberSpace!!
but they have better peformance than gtx
Not enough Typce C port for me
Do people actually buy these gaming laptops , seriously?
Honestly the most I would spend on a laptop is 1k and get something with an rx580 or 1660ti
I have a really good desktop (R5E10, 5960x, vega64 blablabla), but i'm actually considering buying a laptop aswell, because due to my work, i have to travel a lot and... You know, an h700i isn't something i'd call "portable" :/
Student also buy gaming laptop because they're often at their places/at the parent house/lan/school, so they need a laptop, even if it's clearly not the best you can have for your bucks...
But yeah, something mid tier like a 1660ti or back in the days 1060 6gb, are the sweet spot, beyond that it goes really to expensive, and it's going to be obsolete anyway
I have one the only reason i bought it its because where i live i font have the room for a normal pc tower
Is it better than the Asus equivalent? It's not better looking, I know that
only $2000 canadian where I am.
MSI new gaming laptops are priced horribly. Even the mediocre GV, GF and GL line are also expensive compared to competitors
good review. The laptop costs 2600 euro ... outch
in german Saturn it's for 1799 euro right now
If there are any Aussies watching, can you tell me an Aussie company that sells pc part cheap? Also, do you know of Grabz online? Are they legit?
It's around 2600 USD in Poland. I'll pass.
0:38 DAT FUCKING WHITE SEARCH BAR!!!!!
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Well yes but actually no
2632 $ for this one in Czech republic. Yeah, nope.
2000 bucks for a mid tier laptop?, damn
Rtx2070 is the second most powerful gpu on laptops, this is mid-tier laptops of the highest class (GT, GE, GS)