i don't think Miura make a chapter at a time. i think he write chapters far ahead. maybe this is the reason for the wait. (english is not my first lenguage)
I like the headcanon that the Idea of Evil doesn't apply to Guts as much as other characters, because Guts never got the chance to rationalize the things that happened to him. He was hurt, beaten, bruised, battered, but he doesn't ascribe that to anything, besides Griffith during the Black Swordsman arc. Because Guts doesn't think that the chaos around him needs to be justified, he has that little bit more wiggle room with his fate, and thus, he is capable of struggling.
Thats why I'm so against the SJW movement. Its just not healthy. If you make ideas and outlooks your obstacle then your doomed to fail. Its up to the individual to do what one must. You cannot destroy an outlook or an idea. Even if Miura never mentioned the Idea of Evil again it wouldnt matter. The idea itself is what created it. I dont even look at it as a character.
Perhaps Muira wants to build up to a final confrontation wherein Guts seeks to destroy the power behind the God Hand, only to be faced with the reality that it is a construct of human nature and therefore impossible to fight.
PainCausingSamurai lets be honest, guts would scream, swing his sword with the power of "fuck you and your reality" and slices the evil out of humanity, but then the whole world is fucked, due to guts cutting out the passion and drive out of humans as well.
Berserk having a lost chapter featuring an Eldritch Being born from the dark ego of humans existing in a Schrödinger like state of canonicity is very fitting for Berserk
I think the Idea of Evil is a lot similar to Gnosticism the Demiurge. The Demiurge described as the God of the material world and a parody of Old Testament Yahweh, the Demiurge is not evil but he is very ignorance towards human condition and very stupid, uncaring of how he create things in his wake. Even the Demiurge "angels", the archon are very similar to God hand, not evil but very twisted and constantly hated their creator.
I do think Miura will eventually return to The Idea of Evil when he feels it's more appropriate to introduce it, since it fits in perfectly with the story's themes and in-universe rules regarding fate. But at the same time I have no idea how it could play into the endgame of the story. It doesn't seem like the type of entity which could possibly be treated as a villain for Guts to kill, that's for sure. I find it really interesting how The Idea of Evil, "The Desired God", which was brought about due mankind's desire to have answers and reasons for why bad things happen to them, now causes or at least propogates evil in the world. By wanting something to cling to in order to escape the senselessness of evil in the world, humanity in Berserk created more suffering by manifesting The Idea of Evil. This could very well be a criticism of religion in the real world on Miura's part; a criticism of the creation of divine entities in order to blame or reason away hardships rather than deal with them firsthand. Guts is practically the embodiment of the idea of fighting against fate and inevitability, after all.
Miura hasn't disregarded the idea of evil but he's also said he doesn't really think it would be a good idea to get the idea of evil involved. As for why, I'll quote Miura himself. "It's because I wanted Berserk's world to be revealed just that far, not any more than that. The appearance of god in the manga conclusively determines its range. I thought that might limit the freedom of the story development. I myself don't know if the Idea of Evil will show up again in the manga or not." www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=9513.msg166308#msg166308 Here's a source for the quote.
I personally think the heart that Casca got put into her at the end of the dream was The Idea of Evil. Look at the way it spirals here: imgur.com/a/51kQt
LoudWaffle Evil is found beyond simple cause & effect. Evil is merely the element that blurs the line between right & wrong. It confuses the two. It is that energy that makes you cast aside doing the right thing for your own selfish desires.
I love how this manga strips down humanity to its barest forms, and our tendencies to look towards the ‘white’ or Griffith in this case because safety, leadership, and utopia are comforting. But just like every utopia, behind it there is a dystopia. Falconia, built on the dead bodies of Griffith’s comrades, may seem perfect. However, Guts, seeking to avenge his friends deaths, and the defiling of Casca which leaves her mentally crippled, embraces his imperfection which is imbedded in humanity and listens to his inner voice telling him to kill, and not to care. Although from most people’s point of view this might seem viscous and uncalled for, Guts is the most powerful and inspiring character simply because of the way he accepts his humanity and strives to be imperfect, unlike Griffith who would do anything to be the benevolent leader of this facade of a Utopia.
But that’s the inherent imperfection with Griffith, he strives to be perfect at any cost including his own humanity. While Guts embraces his humanity and it leads to him growing and over coming his beast of darkness. Griffis gave into his darkness and imperfections and tries to use it as a source of power. While guts tries to overcome his darkness and imperfections (of rage and anger) to be a better man and transform his imperfections into tools of protection and strength.
Grifgithbis the sin of pride. Thinking you xan control an accound for everything. To much order. There is a reason why the engel of knowledge is named Lucifer.
Berserk is not about perfection or imperfections. It is about the purpose you invent for your life and the choices you make both willingly and unwillingly through that life. And also about the big massive psychological nightmare that life is for people with depression and ptsd
The true idea of evil is the Berserk 2016 and 2017 adaptation. It's like taking a kobe beef filnet mignon and cooking it well done and eating it with ketchup.
Griffith’s “I want wings” feels so iconic, it’s a shame it’s forgotten within the lost chapter, it’s honestly one my favorite Griffith moments and marks the transition between the Griffith we knew and Femto
There's also the idea that a god's power comes directly from the number of beings that worship it, and by how devoted they do so. In this sense, we accidentally created the god of evil just by blindly accepting the paradigm that the concept of evil exists.
Not really. In Berserk, they don't need to be aware of his existence and worship. He is not the God of the midland faith, he is the fate that powers the events of the story. Everyone's idea that there is a reason for events. So he is fate, God and the Devil at the same time.
Rodigo Duterte sorry for the late reply but yes and no. It is part of the totality of true "self" but the shadow isn't the true self. It is a simply a facet of our being, one which is ignored by most.
I've never actually taken a philosophy course but have always been enthused by it and its contemporaries and I like you're dissection of anime like this and the format you use. You got yourself a new subscriber :)
This manga really helped flip the way I tought about many things in life. Two biggest chapters were evil and the one where schereke said gods voice was its own and not ours.
I was expecting Griffith to die at the end of the story and the world will view him as a martyr after unifying everything... and in this moment, humanity gains a new perspective of evil, and thus.. the Idea of Evil will either be devoured or change into a New Idea.
You're no better than Femto's worshippers if you think that would happen. The point, the big point, of Berserk is that suffering and pain are part of life itself and man needs to accept it when it comes to grow. Not hide behind messiahs and dictators selling easy solutions/cure/hope.
I think he idea of evil is in itself a criticism of the idea of evil. That is to say, evil only exists because mankind believes it exists as a way to explain all the bad that happens in the world. But evil doesn't cause bad things to happen because evil doesn't exist. It's just mankind making bad decisions that lead to suffering.
so... rape and murder are only evil if we believe them to be? you're gonna cut yourself with all that edge if you ain't careful! things appear relative only when you're unable to think collectively. the collective good is actually good.
I do not think there is such a thing as an evil person, while people still breathe they have the capacity to change. You might not see the reason behind all the atrocities that are committed on a daily basis but that doesn't mean there isn't one that you can trace back to a single point or a single moment in their life that caused them to do it. That doesn't justify their actions and it doesn't make them any less wrong but to say that if you would not have done the same things that many of the things that the most despicable humans did if you were forced to live out the same life as they did is arrogant at best. All humans have the capacity for good and bad. Its human beings with their flawed emotion and reckless behavior or calculated violations to spit in the face of a cruel god. Either way there is no dark force that makes all the bad things happen. It's just human beings floating through the void trying to understand a world that doesn't make sense.
Rumford Chimpenstein You're confusing evil for cruelty. Cruelty is the act of inflicting pain on another. Rape and murder are objectively cruel, but rather or not they are evil is a matter of belief.
lol, on a side note: " Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves...Here's Tom with the weather" - Bill Hicks Oh and PLEASE do a video on Nietzsche and Berserk, I would be quite interested to see that.
People never mention that the church in berserk have a symbol that looks exactly like the idea of evil the shape is the exact same I'm pretty sure that's why miura wanted to wait I'm willing to bet at endgame the church will be heavily linked with the idea of evil
olong jhonson it already is. The Holy See instigated Griffiths rebirth and is an obvious allegory to Jesus being god-made-man. Mozgus was granted supernatural powers by the godhand.
Shattering delusions To quote Guts, “Angels, demons... what’s the difference?” All who claim to be the savior to humanity are the anti-Christ, because there is no Christ.
Logan I compeltely disagree. The world of berserk is dark right now. We're presented with an ominous being spouting out that it exists to serve as and came fourth from humanity's desires quoting practically "Do what thou wilt" from alesiter Crawly's Book of the Law which as you may know alesiter crawley said was from Satan himself. Yes, Niche is present in Berserk, but I think it's present to serve as a starting point (on going) in philiopshy which both Griffith and Guts have. I dont think Guts will hold this mentality and philsophy forever. I'm not sure if you're speaking from a literal perspective of your own views on Christ or within the realm of Berserk. I think it's a far stretch at this point to even consider Mirua introducing a counter church in his work that denies Griffith as the messiah, but he said he's like what, one third threw? No offence, but after almost a life time of studying The Book of Revelations the current berserk mirrors it pretty well. I'd like to do my own video series on the subject. You and others might say I'm projecting the book of revelations onto the series, but there's points there that are almost undeniable yet other aspects that are jumping through hoops to fit the story. At another point the prostitute says the faithful aren't without merit if they also work hard not just relying on faith in God to save them. That's not the specific wording but darn close. That was at the tower of solitude ending when they noticed more survivors. A Gnostic cult of stone masons left clues in a huge number of churches from east to West with disturbing imagery depicting rituals and Gnostic ideologies. A few here and there until it's an entire catalogue. That sect of ideology is suppose to be the main ideology within the Church in the book of revelations, where up is down, down is up in all senerios pretending to the Church and spirituality. Perhaps, if we are introduced to a counter church movement in Berserk denying Griffith and the pontiff as well as the majority of the cleregys current vission of God (The idea of Evil) than this will validate that the current church regime being depicted in Berserk is like that of current church clergy leaders and that of the book of revelations where the antichrist via Satan is seen as god. Its important to note that with the catholic church and among many freemasons themselves it's confirmed freemasons have infiltrated the Church splitting the Church in half today, but assuming you are of niche philosophy, that wouldnt matter to you, regardless, that is what both the Church and freemason truthers proclaim. You know, I was told that there is a subgroup or critique of niche stating they thought niche perhaps may have been a closet Christian (I dont think I buy into that) to simply bring out the best atheistic arguments against Christianity so future generations (or current in his own time if not already in the past) would defeat it word for word. I dont remember the authors who suggested Niche's closet Christinty though. I dont think I'm covering all my thoughts on this subject or your quote you've presented either, but I'm putting quite a mouth full onto the table of discussion just through this post. I would rather not debate the actualality and objectivity of niche or Catholicism in these posts, but rather within the world of Berserk. Just because Guts has stated "it doesn't matter" essentially doesn't mean it doesn't in the series or it is limited to it not mattering in the over all and later story. He's speaking from his own character point of view at that time. I'm sure we will continue to be presented deeper spiritual universal structure later in the series on par with reveals like that of the chapter "Ideal of Evil" again eventually as the story comes closer to closing.
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God, in this case, is the conviction that things happen for clear reasons. The interesting thing about Berserk’s narrative structure is how strongly every narrative depends on clear cause/effect relationships. There is very rarely something that comes out of the blue, a narrative element that suddenly changes the outcome. This is particularly clear when you consider Guts (and the Skull Knight’s, by proxy) role in the world. By virtue of being branded, he knows the true extent to which his existence is influenced by external forces, and thus exists in a state of “freedom,” where he can defy fate itself. This vid was super cool, and the idea of evil, even though it isn’t officially canon, says so much about the kind of story Miura set out to tell.
Pleasantly someone noticed Hegel and brought it up. Knowing Miura he mixed several philosophical influences into Berserk, Hegel being on of them. The Jung collective unconscious stuff almost seems like an obvious distraction that people just go to and assume "yep that is all it there is nothing much else" when it comes to The Idea of Evil.
I think Miura's drawing a lot of ideas from the famous psycho analyst Carl Jung as well. That being said, Jung got a lot of his concepts from Nietzche so take this as you will. Jung once said, "the line of good and evil cuts through the heart of every man." He believed that how humans conceptualize Gods with personified elements is how we are able to materialize them in our mind. These Gods, are spheres of influence that push us in various directions throughout our lives. Not always in epic form, sometimes in incredibly subtle ways. Evil, sways us to the direction of darkness by manipulating the images we are able to perceive. By giving us the illusion that what we are doing is of our own free will. An example of this in Berserk was during the eclipse when Griffith was experiencing a conflict with the realm of his dreams of becoming a ruler of his own kingdom and the physical limitations that the year of torture had affected his mobility. I think it was in the 1997 anime that while he was in this state of contemplation, members of the Godhand were disguised as members of his dreamscape, telling him of how sacrifice is a necessary means to achieving HIS goal. That all the people that died on the battlefield was for him and that the Band of the Hawk was no different than any other merc. What's important to note here is that the Godhand are disciples of evil, they trick those to sacrifice what is most dear to them and in this case, Griffith, with his back against the wall, who is looking for a way out of his suffering in exchange for great power, will commit to appalling acts to achieve his dreams. According to Jung and to an extent to Hegel, this is not being free to act on his own, there are greater forces at play telling him that there is no other way. In contrast to Guts, also known as the Struggler, is in a constant battle, physically and mentally to live a free life without anyone telling him what to do. Guts literally treads on the brink of madness and the destruction of his own physical body to become almost godlike in power. The difference being that Guts recognizes the evil within himself and as time goes on, he realizes that his path to becoming a free man, inspires those around him to become the same thing. Shierke, Farnese, Isidro, Casca (who the fuck knows) are banding together with Guts by a weird form of freedom of choice. That their pasts were narratives imposed on them and the way they became free was taking the struggling path just like Guts. The path to the good is not the easy way, but every threshold past, they develop more as people and more powerful in suit. This is why Berserk is so brilliant and fucking well crafted, these aren't easy ideas to grapple with and Miura's patience to weave this story shows in how brilliant he is as an artist. Edit: I realize that I'm leaving a lot more to the arcs of Guts and Griffith but for the sake of time, I'll leave things as they are. I'm open to hear of others input.
Thanks for that wall of text without paragraphs, it made me really not want to read through it. I read about half of it and ask myself, what are you doing on RUclips? You should be advicing antiterrorist squads in the mindset of suicidal terrorists.
I just stumbled after rewatching Berserk for the 4th time and I just wanted to say I absolutely love these videos exploring the real world philosophy behind Berserk. There's so much meaning behind the confluence of events and the way you narrate and explain it is just pure art.
Lemme just say I came across your videos like 14 minutes ago, and I'm already solidly invested in your content. It's pretty clear you not only love anime/manga, but are a genuinely intelligent and hardworking person. It shows in your videos, and that's enough to get a sub out of me
Just found this channel and you're def my fave anime discussion youtuber. Most people either make 20 minute videos on philosophy in anime and drag it out to the point of no return and others only talk about fights etc.
I really love your videos, I got so happy when I saw you posted one yesterday, I was really stressed out at work today and had to take a break, so I went to the bathroom and saw your vid, once again, I really love you vids, keep it up girl!
Oh my gosh the philosophy/psychology analysis was soo refreshing. You’ve just earned a subscriber! More of this please Berserk has so much rich literary content left to give Trigun is also worth the watch
I love your philosophical research that helps describe your thoughts/way of thinking to describe your video essays. I hope you come back sometime soo to keep sharing your ideas :)
I have a theory which I never see anyone talk about the possibility of, most likely due to the fact that people may not perceive the Idea of Evil as canon; is that the Idea of Evil influences the God Hand, more specifically Griffith, in such a way that turns him into an even more morally gray character. It's stated somewhere that the Idea of Evil or Fate accounts for the actions of the God Hand and everyone on the Physical and Astral worlds to get to a 'planned future' for reasons such as the Idea just wants to. Basically the argument of my theory states that possibly unknown to Griffith/Femto, he was being manipulated by the Idea and was always planned to rape Caska and send Guts on a mission to restore her sanity. If Caska didn't potato, she wouldn't have wandered off and get send to the Tower of Conviction, Guts would possibly never get his current group, the Berserker armor, etc. etc. This implies 2 things: One, it was Guts' destiny to help Caska and him killing Apostles and going 'against' fate was him following his fate all along. I believe the metaphor used in the series was that of a fish jumping out of the river only to fall back down into the flow. Lastly my second point, ahem 'Griffith did nothing wrong'. Yes my theory is based on how Griffith cannot be a 'villian' per se because he was unknowingly plotting the future of the series. Yes I know "hurr durr but what about people who followed Hitler? Were they not bad? hurr durr". In no way am I saying what Griffith did was right, just that being manipulated for future events to happen doesn't inherently make you bad, hence why I say Griffith possibly becomes 'an even more morally gray character'. with this theory. I honestly I had no other idea where to post and it's been on my mind for a while. If you stuck through this awful wall of text and my straw grasping theory, thank you. Please leave criticisms about this post or any questions because honestly, speculating is just fun!
Griffith is seen almost as a messiah in the eyes of other humans. And rightly so, he quite literally brings souls back from the dead to allow their loved ones to say goodbye to them one last time before they leave peacefully to the afterlife. Such an action is probably close to the epitome of benevolence..
I really enjoyed your theory and I agree. Just like in life sometimes we do terrible things to others and yet we are capable of doing beautiful things for others. Griffith lives his life through his eyes and no one else's, the story unfolds as a random cascade of events that somehow manage to be coherent and keep us wanting more. Terrific writing and artwork that makes us question where we ourselves are apart of the story.
Griffith is most definitely the villain in Archetypal terms, but he's so well constructed that people still debate his villain status. That's the sign of a strong, well written bad guy (think Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment.) Think about how his character is laid out, he's brutally tortured and completely broken. He then has the choice to accept his suffering for the sake of his friends, or to sacrifice them all for the sake of himself. It's no surprise that a person would make that choice considering the position he was in, very understandable. However, in making that choice he becomes the complete opposite of the ultimate hero archetype (to accept the tragedy and malevolence of existence and sacrifice yourself for the good of the future/others.) He's driven by his own narcissism fundamentally.
Just random search on RUclips and you appeared as recommended videos, it definitely worth it, great video and excellent topics for discussion. Keep the good work
Damn was this well thought out and informative, and granted we may never know considering Miura is taking his sweet time getting to the ending. I'll be watching more of your stuff
Excited for this video, As a big fan of philosophy and Berserk I want to see your take on this. I've been meaning to do related videos like this for a while but I just can't find the time. Nontheless, can't wait. Also, I hope you don't mind Spoiler warnings for some of your videos.
I found this channel by accident but I really enjoyed the format and started binging all the videos. Enjoy these as much as I enjoy Eyepatch Wolf’s videos.
Thank you so much for this...Berserk is one of my favorite topics ever, and i'm never tired of hearing and reading others people's takes on it's fantastic philosophy. You rock!
Damm i love your channel. I have been trying to find a someone who is into both anime and philosophical concepts on youtube and who analyze it and i finally did.
The last bit in the lost chapter, the "be as you will" bit, seems to me like a perverted version of the concept of AURYN in Michael Ende's "The Neverending Story" "What do you suppose it means?" He asked, "'DO WHAT YOU WISH.' That must mean I can do anything I feel like. Don't you think so." All at once Grograman's face looked alarmingly grave, and his eyes glowed. "No," he said in his deep, rumbling voice. "It means that you must do what you really and truly want. And nothing is more difficult." "What I really and truly want? What do you mean by that?" "It's your own deepest secret and you yourself don't know it." "How can I find out?" "By going the way of your wishes, from one to another, from first to last. It will take you to what you really and truly want."
Octavio Gonzalez thanks. We're all in this together with Mirua lol. I see the struggle against The Idea of Evil directly linked to Satan with that phrase spoken to grifith. Thay phrase which leads me to believe there is a much bigger and deeper end game for Guts and Griffith than simply Niche's killing od god and uburman and ilogical build of no God existing. Its a far cry to some extent in how the the current story is handled, but I still see everything guts is going through as almost parrelel to the book.of revelations. That's my two cents for now. Look for a video upload on the subject from me some time.
Loved this. My friend and I were discussing this the other day not with berserk but the philosophy you were speaking of. Then I watch this video about my favorite series and I am just like wow.
I could very easily see Griffith taking issue with the idea of evil and seek to utterly and completely crush it in a true and unadulterated pursuit of freedom. Not just for him, but for all of humanity. This wouldn't be an immediate conclusion - but something built to over time. His actions were predetermined. His destiny predetermined. Which means even his Dream was predetermined. Griffith judged his worth by the worth of his Dream. Further, he judged man by the worth of their Dream - and considered people too weak to fight for theirs beneath him. Guts is named the struggler. He struggles against fate - And Griff, despite his attempts to purge his feelings for Guts, has partially succumbed to the influences of the child that shares his vessel. I could see a final moment in which Guts, Griff, or both are dying in their final effort to free themselves (or each other) from the threads of fate that have so strongly dictated their story until now; Griff postulating over whether or not this action, too, is predetermined. If these actions are of his own design, or that of the guiding hand of fate. At that, if it even matters. That's the kind of ending I want to see. One where Griffith can redeem himself in his own eyes - and one in which Guts can overcome his hatred and truly become Griffith's "friend" - a true equal, in every sense. A return and fulfilment of their initial goals - and the initial bond they held - so long ago. A sort've bittersweet ending as the world changes one last time.
Griffith doesn't exist anymore, only Femto, and Femto is a demon, he's 100% evil... and he is directly controled by the Idea of Evil, since he's a member of his hand/God Hand. The IoE's goal is Femto's goal, no way around that. So no; he won't redeem himself.
@@suren123a - You're wrong, the IoE also makes an appearance in the episode 82, which has been published in the official volume. (And Flora also mentions the IoE, claiming that the God Hand are "executors of the will of something lurking in the distant Abyss")
@Alex Kalinin - Not, he's not. Come on, it's pretty basic stuff... At the latest Eclipse, Griffith was reborn as the demon Femto, leaving the "human Griffith" behind for good. Then the God Hand used the Incarnation Ceremony to give him a 100% corporeal body, but he is still Femto, he doesn't "become Griffith again".
Greetings from El Salvador. Great philosophy and my beloved Berserk + the original anime soundtrack like guts theme and earth and forces at the end. This video painted a big smile in my face and in my metaphysical heart. I wish I could give you a 1000 likes .
,,He, who desires but acts not, breeds pestilence". I actually don't know what to write as a commentary... this video just brought new perspectives to subjects I've been reflecting a lot and it's surprised the hell out of me to find out how much I still have to read and research... I must thank you, this video is amazingly made and brought to me a whole new concept inside of philosophy to me. Your work is above pricing! Good job and keep it going, there is still a lot you can amaze us in future and I'm excitingly waiting for it! 👏🏾
Loved the video, thought provoking and entertaining. I’m not really much of an anime follower but have always been drawn to Berserk and what little I understand about Devilman. I’m interested in hearing more of your analysis on the subjects!
While I have not read everything about Warhammer 40k series, I've read a little bit. And I'm struck by the similarity between Fulgrim and Griffith. The obvious being that both strove for perfection, to free themselves of their imperfections, and in doing so lost their humanity. That both were also destined for 'greatness' by higher beings and had their lives laid out before them. The Emperor designing Fulgrim, and Slaanesh corrupting him then turning him into a Daemon Prince. While Griffith was granted victory and success by the "Idea of Evil" for most of his life then had it taken from him at his most critical hour. All for the God Hand to corrupt and ascend him. Both had loved ones that they cast aside for perfection. Someone they loved as a brother. Ferrus Manus was important to Fulgrim. Important enough that he tried to corrupt Ferrus as well, and even 10,000 years after killing him cannot get out of his head. And then you've got Griffith. Who loved Guts as a brother, only to sacrifice him and use him yet still seems to have some obsession with him. Even now into the latest arc. What are your thoughts on the comparison?
It's like saying what if the comment commented you not viceversa. People still stuck in the idea of god which is given in the bible and can't think beyond that. People still don't know what God is, which is sad.
@@Qwertyuiop-xz3kj Yes you are correct, modern critic of religion is fucking idiotic, they have zero idea about metaphysics and how to interpret myths, which is also why they think alchemy is actually about physically creating a philosopher stone lol.
That is the first time I've ever seen you in my feed, I took a chance out of curiosity to check out this video ( I'm not even a fan a berserk), and I can genuinely this is a fantastic video essay and can't wait to see what else is in store for this channel!
i just finished watching a good chunk of your videos and i'm upset it took me this long to find your channel. your videos are amazing and it feels like i found a long lost friend lol keep doing what you're doing because i can't wait to see what you put out next.
It is the arrogance of humans to think that a divine existence would be anything like them, and care about them. A true force of nature would be true-neutral, if you use the DnD alignment system as reference. Good, evil, chaos, and order are all human-made constructs that a god would be independent from. If anything, a god is probably just the summation of all matter, energy, and data in existence. Rather related to "All is one, one is all."
Which is why human-made "divine" beings such as the Idea of Evil make sense for fitting into human-defined concepts such as good and evil. However, for what it's worth, typically in real world religions - particularly in judeochristian mythos where these concepts are very prominent - good and evil are defined based on whether God supports or condemns them on a case-by-case basis. Meaning anything God does or tells His followers to do is inherently "good". This of course leads to a lot of morally messy things to look back on from out modern-day point of view.
I would beg to differ. A Deity to me is best described as an eternal, divine, sapient, indescribably powerful law of reality or force. The closest I can come to describing what I'm trying to describe is imagine if something like gravity or relativity was alive and was risen to the greatest level of divinity. Also, just because it follows a different thought pattern or its perspective does not hinge on human logic does not mean it could not care about humanity. In fact, it might have concerns that extend to countless points in the cosmos beyond and including humans. I believe the universe is rational and just, but that doesn't mean that it hinges on human logic. We're just trying to describe these things using the closest approximations we have. As with all fields of knowledge, contemplation, research, and critique are necessary to the understanding of the sacred.
Colin Velius a god that created a universe would no more pay attention to its finer workings than we notice all the insect we trample on a daily basis. That’s why most of the founding fathers were deists and Atheist Buddhists exist.
Gods are man-made in so far as they are articulations of archetypes and features human nature; however, the patterns in human behavior which are articulated as gods have a biological substructure which makes them beyond the creation of humans.
God is infinite --- infinite in consciousness, awareness, form and power; but God has form which we can perceive, or at least assume, because Biblical scripture states we are based on his own appearance. Therefore, God can take any form he wants, equate and surpass any entity within the world we see which he created, but he sees our form as the height of his creation --- it is our direct link, the vision of what is nature and what is real is that we are of God's form and can perceive the world he made; that is because we are his children who he has promised inheritance of his Earth. At least, if you believe in almighty God.
Rather than Plato's idea of forms, I think Camus' idea of the absurd could work better to explain the origin of "God" in Berserk. The endless search for reasons behind tragedies and death basically sounds like the fundamental contradiction in Camus' writing. That being our endless search for meaning and the universe's lack of any. But even that has it's limits since I don't understand the extent to which the "God" in Berserk really controls the fate of humans. They talked about it being "established" earlier in time but by who? Griffith's parents? The God hand? Could God hypothetically overwrite the fate of someone they established before if the desires of people suddenly changed? Personally I think it'd be amazing if the existence of Guts was actually God trying to create a worthy opponent to Griffith. Still, Awesome video!
I read both your analyisis (which is quite good) and the saw the video, which I believe used Plato as a way to introduce into the basics of Idealism stablishing a base for Hegel. I kinda think in Berserk, the background for our interpretations would end up being permeated by our particular views and principles on which seems to be a particular theme, Determinism and Will. Maybe cheering on Guts as a manifestation of freedom and selfcraft sense is indeed a way to relieve us of the pain of carrying the rock uphill. I love Guts Character because I think he actually embodies Camus hero of the absurd, knowing full well it's all senseless and not giving a fuck anyway.
It's a mish-mash of all of it. The theory of forms definitely plays a part, but isn't the whole story. It's the theory of forms if we created the forms. ::Tim & Eric mind-blowing animation::
All his art looks like the etchings made by Francisco Goya before he died or lost his mind. _Los Disparates,_ stand out the most. As well as _Los Caprichos._ For those who don't know, Goya invented "dark fantasy" during the Romantic Era. Though he's rarely given credit for this in the English speaking world. As few know him.
The idea of evil was a giant heart, and we lost Miura from a heart problem, damn.
Causality
With idea of evil being a semi canon final antagonist berserk atleast still has hope of being completed by the authors assistants
OMG....because of that,My heart is hurts so much.
perhaps that is the true ending... guts just dies randomly of a heart attack. and thats the end of the story.
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Making us wait is miuras “Idea of evil” ...
Cue "Waiting so Long"
i don't think Miura make a chapter at a time. i think he write chapters far ahead. maybe this is the reason for the wait. (english is not my first lenguage)
Ricardo Santos Wait, I thought it took so long because he was looking for perfection for his drawing boards...
Patience , the more you wait the better it gets ! Like a good wine :)!
Lol
I'd love for a Berserk philosophy series.
Ash Well you are well-placed! This video has over 100k views, and she has 15k subs! She really blew up!
logh gang
Read Nietzsche's book or the greek tragedies
I like the headcanon that the Idea of Evil doesn't apply to Guts as much as other characters, because Guts never got the chance to rationalize the things that happened to him. He was hurt, beaten, bruised, battered, but he doesn't ascribe that to anything, besides Griffith during the Black Swordsman arc. Because Guts doesn't think that the chaos around him needs to be justified, he has that little bit more wiggle room with his fate, and thus, he is capable of struggling.
Matthew Egan my dude hats off to you
So the fact he is almost a beast makes him uniquely suited to fighting against fate?
Guts is a true man.
Shit happens and you keep going.
Everyone with a dick should admire Guts
Thank you for your comment. You just made me realize a lot of things about my life.
Thats why I'm so against the SJW movement. Its just not healthy. If you make ideas and outlooks your obstacle then your doomed to fail. Its up to the individual to do what one must. You cannot destroy an outlook or an idea.
Even if Miura never mentioned the Idea of Evil again it wouldnt matter. The idea itself is what created it. I dont even look at it as a character.
Perhaps Muira wants to build up to a final confrontation wherein Guts seeks to destroy the power behind the God Hand, only to be faced with the reality that it is a construct of human nature and therefore impossible to fight.
PainCausingSamurai lets be honest, guts would scream, swing his sword with the power of "fuck you and your reality" and slices the evil out of humanity, but then the whole world is fucked, due to guts cutting out the passion and drive out of humans as well.
PainCausingSamurai Sounds like the final boss in Persona 5
or.. he is like ok I got this... TIME TO MURDER EVERY FUCKING HUMAN! .. The End.
Guts and Kratos would probably be best friends. Those boys love killing gods.
Mark Lee I like that idea! :)
Berserk's lore is so great, wish they could've made a proper 2D anime of its arcs going forward =/
a 3d would be fine though, as long as it's done well
famous last words
Weird to see you here lol love your channel. Love this one too!
Berserk having a lost chapter featuring an Eldritch Being born from the dark ego of humans existing in a Schrödinger like state of canonicity is very fitting for Berserk
I think the Idea of Evil is a lot similar to Gnosticism the Demiurge. The Demiurge described as the God of the material world and a parody of Old Testament Yahweh, the Demiurge is not evil but he is very ignorance towards human condition and very stupid, uncaring of how he create things in his wake. Even the Demiurge "angels", the archon are very similar to God hand, not evil but very twisted and constantly hated their creator.
I do think Miura will eventually return to The Idea of Evil when he feels it's more appropriate to introduce it, since it fits in perfectly with the story's themes and in-universe rules regarding fate. But at the same time I have no idea how it could play into the endgame of the story. It doesn't seem like the type of entity which could possibly be treated as a villain for Guts to kill, that's for sure.
I find it really interesting how The Idea of Evil, "The Desired God", which was brought about due mankind's desire to have answers and reasons for why bad things happen to them, now causes or at least propogates evil in the world. By wanting something to cling to in order to escape the senselessness of evil in the world, humanity in Berserk created more suffering by manifesting The Idea of Evil. This could very well be a criticism of religion in the real world on Miura's part; a criticism of the creation of divine entities in order to blame or reason away hardships rather than deal with them firsthand. Guts is practically the embodiment of the idea of fighting against fate and inevitability, after all.
Miura hasn't disregarded the idea of evil but he's also said he doesn't really think it would be a good idea to get the idea of evil involved. As for why, I'll quote Miura himself.
"It's because I wanted Berserk's world to be revealed just that far, not any more than that. The appearance of god in the manga conclusively determines its range. I thought that might limit the freedom of the story development. I myself don't know if the Idea of Evil will show up again in the manga or not."
www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=9513.msg166308#msg166308 Here's a source for the quote.
I personally think the heart that Casca got put into her at the end of the dream was The Idea of Evil. Look at the way it spirals here:
imgur.com/a/51kQt
It goes beyond religion, the idea of evil is written like the living form of a metanarrative structure, a manifestation of an archetype.
that will depend on how the series ends. there are plenty of fictional and fantastical stories which have serious real world utility.
LoudWaffle Evil is found beyond simple cause & effect. Evil is merely the element that blurs the line between right & wrong. It confuses the two. It is that energy that makes you cast aside doing the right thing for your own selfish desires.
I love how this manga strips down humanity to its barest forms, and our tendencies to look towards the ‘white’ or Griffith in this case because safety, leadership, and utopia are comforting. But just like every utopia, behind it there is a dystopia. Falconia, built on the dead bodies of Griffith’s comrades, may seem perfect. However, Guts, seeking to avenge his friends deaths, and the defiling of Casca which leaves her mentally crippled, embraces his imperfection which is imbedded in humanity and listens to his inner voice telling him to kill, and not to care. Although from most people’s point of view this might seem viscous and uncalled for, Guts is the most powerful and inspiring character simply because of the way he accepts his humanity and strives to be imperfect, unlike Griffith who would do anything to be the benevolent leader of this facade of a Utopia.
Broken Banjo I feel like we can write a dissertation about berserk and probably get a PhD.
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But that’s the inherent imperfection with Griffith, he strives to be perfect at any cost including his own humanity. While Guts embraces his humanity and it leads to him growing and over coming his beast of darkness. Griffis gave into his darkness and imperfections and tries to use it as a source of power. While guts tries to overcome his darkness and imperfections (of rage and anger) to be a better man and transform his imperfections into tools of protection and strength.
Grifgithbis the sin of pride. Thinking you xan control an accound for everything. To much order. There is a reason why the engel of knowledge is named Lucifer.
Berserk is not about perfection or imperfections. It is about the purpose you invent for your life and the choices you make both willingly and unwillingly through that life. And also about the big massive psychological nightmare that life is for people with depression and ptsd
The true idea of evil is the Berserk 2016 and 2017 adaptation. It's like taking a kobe beef filnet mignon and cooking it well done and eating it with ketchup.
Justin Y. Gordon Ramsey would agree
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kirbysidal I do wonder what's the Lenny for.
yb balderas why the unnecessary hate?
i found you almost everywhere i go. Are you reading my mind?
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you."
Griffith’s “I want wings” feels so iconic, it’s a shame it’s forgotten within the lost chapter, it’s honestly one my favorite Griffith moments and marks the transition between the Griffith we knew and Femto
berserk is literally the best thing ever
Obviously.
And then he died. RIP. Miura's death was ultimate proof that there is no God.
There's also the idea that a god's power comes directly from the number of beings that worship it, and by how devoted they do so. In this sense, we accidentally created the god of evil just by blindly accepting the paradigm that the concept of evil exists.
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Not really. In Berserk, they don't need to be aware of his existence and worship. He is not the God of the midland faith, he is the fate that powers the events of the story. Everyone's idea that there is a reason for events. So he is fate, God and the Devil at the same time.
You mean like the Chaos Gods of WH40K?
Jovan Mitrić And Warhammer Fantasy -_- OG warhammrr
Like how the Eldar murder-fucked Slaanesh into existence.
It seems like the idea of evil has some parralles with Jungian theory, namely the collective unconscious and the shadow.
oscar zafra shadow of people represent one of true self right?
for true. More Campbellian than Jungian, but yeah.
I would say Jung and Campbell have a ton of crossover
Rodigo Duterte sorry for the late reply but yes and no. It is part of the totality of true "self" but the shadow isn't the true self. It is a simply a facet of our being, one which is ignored by most.
Anderson Prime they do, Campbell was a Jungian at heart after all.
I've never actually taken a philosophy course but have always been enthused by it and its contemporaries and I like you're dissection of anime like this and the format you use. You got yourself a new subscriber :)
This manga really helped flip the way I tought about many things in life. Two biggest chapters were evil and the one where schereke said gods voice was its own and not ours.
I was expecting Griffith to die at the end of the story and the world will view him as a martyr after unifying everything... and in this moment, humanity gains a new perspective of evil, and thus.. the Idea of Evil will either be devoured or change into a New Idea.
Guts becomes the idea of evil and becomes a benevolent god
You're no better than Femto's worshippers if you think that would happen. The point, the big point, of Berserk is that suffering and pain are part of life itself and man needs to accept it when it comes to grow. Not hide behind messiahs and dictators selling easy solutions/cure/hope.
RIP Kentaro Miura (14/100 post)
Only video i have EVER saved to watch later. Great job
I think he idea of evil is in itself a criticism of the idea of evil. That is to say, evil only exists because mankind believes it exists as a way to explain all the bad that happens in the world. But evil doesn't cause bad things to happen because evil doesn't exist. It's just mankind making bad decisions that lead to suffering.
TheOnlyRoggol There is also like cancer and stuff no? I'm sure they wanted an explanation of that stuff too
so... rape and murder are only evil if we believe them to be? you're gonna cut yourself with all that edge if you ain't careful! things appear relative only when you're unable to think collectively. the collective good is actually good.
I do not think there is such a thing as an evil person, while people still breathe they have the capacity to change. You might not see the reason behind all the atrocities that are committed on a daily basis but that doesn't mean there isn't one that you can trace back to a single point or a single moment in their life that caused them to do it. That doesn't justify their actions and it doesn't make them any less wrong but to say that if you would not have done the same things that many of the things that the most despicable humans did if you were forced to live out the same life as they did is arrogant at best. All humans have the capacity for good and bad. Its human beings with their flawed emotion and reckless behavior or calculated violations to spit in the face of a cruel god. Either way there is no dark force that makes all the bad things happen. It's just human beings floating through the void trying to understand a world that doesn't make sense.
Rumford Chimpenstein You're confusing evil for cruelty. Cruelty is the act of inflicting pain on another. Rape and murder are objectively cruel, but rather or not they are evil is a matter of belief.
@ricardo santos, by that logic, wouldn't the only " good" choice be suicide?
lol, on a side note:
" Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves...Here's Tom with the weather" - Bill Hicks
Oh and PLEASE do a video on Nietzsche and Berserk, I would be quite interested to see that.
Wth was Hegel smoking
The Hunter x Hunter 2011 Dickriding Association he made a dialectical synthesis of every drug available
Sam The Sham lmao😂😂 stop it. ( for anyone who don't know,he is joking).
The Hunter x Hunter 2011 Dickriding Association If you have ever wondered what Karl Marx was smoking, he was smoking Hegel. Hegel is strong stuff man.
ben zur dead XD
Oh I know, but he mostly applied it to the material world, abstract concepts like this are just ????????
Ur channel is super underrated lol keep up the good stuff really enjoyed the video 😁
People never mention that the church in berserk have a symbol that looks exactly like the idea of evil the shape is the exact same I'm pretty sure that's why miura wanted to wait I'm willing to bet at endgame the church will be heavily linked with the idea of evil
olong jhonson it already is. The Holy See instigated Griffiths rebirth and is an obvious allegory to Jesus being god-made-man. Mozgus was granted supernatural powers by the godhand.
olong jhonson what chapter? All I get to see is the hawk symbol. I probably missed it or forgetting it.
Logan more like the antichrist, which is suppose to truly believe he is god.
Shattering delusions To quote Guts, “Angels, demons... what’s the difference?” All who claim to be the savior to humanity are the anti-Christ, because there is no Christ.
Logan I compeltely disagree. The world of berserk is dark right now. We're presented with an ominous being spouting out that it exists to serve as and came fourth from humanity's desires quoting practically "Do what thou wilt" from alesiter Crawly's Book of the Law which as you may know alesiter crawley said was from Satan himself. Yes, Niche is present in Berserk, but I think it's present to serve as a starting point (on going) in philiopshy which both Griffith and Guts have. I dont think Guts will hold this mentality and philsophy forever. I'm not sure if you're speaking from a literal perspective of your own views on Christ or within the realm of Berserk. I think it's a far stretch at this point to even consider Mirua introducing a counter church in his work that denies Griffith as the messiah, but he said he's like what, one third threw? No offence, but after almost a life time of studying The Book of Revelations the current berserk mirrors it pretty well. I'd like to do my own video series on the subject. You and others might say I'm projecting the book of revelations onto the series, but there's points there that are almost undeniable yet other aspects that are jumping through hoops to fit the story.
At another point the prostitute says the faithful aren't without merit if they also work hard not just relying on faith in God to save them. That's not the specific wording but darn close. That was at the tower of solitude ending when they noticed more survivors.
A Gnostic cult of stone masons left clues in a huge number of churches from east to West with disturbing imagery depicting rituals and Gnostic ideologies. A few here and there until it's an entire catalogue. That sect of ideology is suppose to be the main ideology within the Church in the book of revelations, where up is down, down is up in all senerios pretending to the Church and spirituality. Perhaps, if we are introduced to a counter church movement in Berserk denying Griffith and the pontiff as well as the majority of the cleregys current vission of God (The idea of Evil) than this will validate that the current church regime being depicted in Berserk is like that of current church clergy leaders and that of the book of revelations where the antichrist via Satan is seen as god. Its important to note that with the catholic church and among many freemasons themselves it's confirmed freemasons have infiltrated the Church splitting the Church in half today, but assuming you are of niche philosophy, that wouldnt matter to you, regardless, that is what both the Church and freemason truthers proclaim.
You know, I was told that there is a subgroup or critique of niche stating they thought niche perhaps may have been a closet Christian (I dont think I buy into that) to simply bring out the best atheistic arguments against Christianity so future generations (or current in his own time if not already in the past) would defeat it word for word. I dont remember the authors who suggested Niche's closet Christinty though.
I dont think I'm covering all my thoughts on this subject or your quote you've presented either, but I'm putting quite a mouth full onto the table of discussion just through this post.
I would rather not debate the actualality and objectivity of niche or Catholicism in these posts, but rather within the world of Berserk. Just because Guts has stated "it doesn't matter" essentially doesn't mean it doesn't in the series or it is limited to it not mattering in the over all and later story. He's speaking from his own character point of view at that time. I'm sure we will continue to be presented deeper spiritual universal structure later in the series on par with reveals like that of the chapter "Ideal of Evil" again eventually as the story comes closer to closing.
Alright. The first I have seen of your stuff. You have passed the first level of my Subscription Gate. I always try to watch someone for two or three videos before I make that... tribute to them. Very well done.
God, in this case, is the conviction that things happen for clear reasons. The interesting thing about Berserk’s narrative structure is how strongly every narrative depends on clear cause/effect relationships. There is very rarely something that comes out of the blue, a narrative element that suddenly changes the outcome. This is particularly clear when you consider Guts (and the Skull Knight’s, by proxy) role in the world. By virtue of being branded, he knows the true extent to which his existence is influenced by external forces, and thus exists in a state of “freedom,” where he can defy fate itself.
This vid was super cool, and the idea of evil, even though it isn’t officially canon, says so much about the kind of story Miura set out to tell.
Pleasantly someone noticed Hegel and brought it up. Knowing Miura he mixed several philosophical influences into Berserk, Hegel being on of them. The Jung collective unconscious stuff almost seems like an obvious distraction that people just go to and assume "yep that is all it there is nothing much else" when it comes to The Idea of Evil.
I think Miura's drawing a lot of ideas from the famous psycho analyst Carl Jung as well. That being said, Jung got a lot of his concepts from Nietzche so take this as you will. Jung once said, "the line of good and evil cuts through the heart of every man." He believed that how humans conceptualize Gods with personified elements is how we are able to materialize them in our mind. These Gods, are spheres of influence that push us in various directions throughout our lives. Not always in epic form, sometimes in incredibly subtle ways. Evil, sways us to the direction of darkness by manipulating the images we are able to perceive. By giving us the illusion that what we are doing is of our own free will. An example of this in Berserk was during the eclipse when Griffith was experiencing a conflict with the realm of his dreams of becoming a ruler of his own kingdom and the physical limitations that the year of torture had affected his mobility. I think it was in the 1997 anime that while he was in this state of contemplation, members of the Godhand were disguised as members of his dreamscape, telling him of how sacrifice is a necessary means to achieving HIS goal. That all the people that died on the battlefield was for him and that the Band of the Hawk was no different than any other merc. What's important to note here is that the Godhand are disciples of evil, they trick those to sacrifice what is most dear to them and in this case, Griffith, with his back against the wall, who is looking for a way out of his suffering in exchange for great power, will commit to appalling acts to achieve his dreams. According to Jung and to an extent to Hegel, this is not being free to act on his own, there are greater forces at play telling him that there is no other way. In contrast to Guts, also known as the Struggler, is in a constant battle, physically and mentally to live a free life without anyone telling him what to do. Guts literally treads on the brink of madness and the destruction of his own physical body to become almost godlike in power. The difference being that Guts recognizes the evil within himself and as time goes on, he realizes that his path to becoming a free man, inspires those around him to become the same thing. Shierke, Farnese, Isidro, Casca (who the fuck knows) are banding together with Guts by a weird form of freedom of choice. That their pasts were narratives imposed on them and the way they became free was taking the struggling path just like Guts. The path to the good is not the easy way, but every threshold past, they develop more as people and more powerful in suit. This is why Berserk is so brilliant and fucking well crafted, these aren't easy ideas to grapple with and Miura's patience to weave this story shows in how brilliant he is as an artist.
Edit: I realize that I'm leaving a lot more to the arcs of Guts and Griffith but for the sake of time, I'll leave things as they are. I'm open to hear of others input.
Thanks for that wall of text without paragraphs, it made me really not want to read through it. I read about half of it and ask myself, what are you doing on RUclips? You should be advicing antiterrorist squads in the mindset of suicidal terrorists.
I just stumbled after rewatching Berserk for the 4th time and I just wanted to say I absolutely love these videos exploring the real world philosophy behind Berserk. There's so much meaning behind the confluence of events and the way you narrate and explain it is just pure art.
Your take on cups was very enlightening. I will think on this, thank you.
You combined two of the things that i love most ...anime and philosophy ...thank you ...and bravo.
Nope. No hiatus :). Awesome video
Lemme just say I came across your videos like 14 minutes ago, and I'm already solidly invested in your content. It's pretty clear you not only love anime/manga, but are a genuinely intelligent and hardworking person. It shows in your videos, and that's enough to get a sub out of me
My two interests in one channel, this is epic.
Just found this channel and you're def my fave anime discussion youtuber. Most people either make 20 minute videos on philosophy in anime and drag it out to the point of no return and others only talk about fights etc.
I really love your videos, I got so happy when I saw you posted one yesterday, I was really stressed out at work today and had to take a break, so I went to the bathroom and saw your vid, once again, I really love you vids, keep it up girl!
ChiniSenpai You xan do it fam, I believe in you
Oh my gosh the philosophy/psychology analysis was soo refreshing. You’ve just earned a subscriber! More of this please
Berserk has so much rich literary content left to give
Trigun is also worth the watch
What is more amazing are the concepts used in anime…and how well read the writers who write it are….As usual…Well done…..Thank you!
Agreed!
Such an in-depth analysis of just what is evil? Truly i enjoyed it! You've got yourself a new subscriber ;)
Wow, your videos are consistently well put together and easy to digest, love the channel and keep up the fantastic work!
I love your philosophical research that helps describe your thoughts/way of thinking to describe your video essays. I hope you come back sometime soo to keep sharing your ideas :)
I have a theory which I never see anyone talk about the possibility of, most likely due to the fact that people may not perceive the Idea of Evil as canon; is that the Idea of Evil influences the God Hand, more specifically Griffith, in such a way that turns him into an even more morally gray character. It's stated somewhere that the Idea of Evil or Fate accounts for the actions of the God Hand and everyone on the Physical and Astral worlds to get to a 'planned future' for reasons such as the Idea just wants to. Basically the argument of my theory states that possibly unknown to Griffith/Femto, he was being manipulated by the Idea and was always planned to rape Caska and send Guts on a mission to restore her sanity. If Caska didn't potato, she wouldn't have wandered off and get send to the Tower of Conviction, Guts would possibly never get his current group, the Berserker armor, etc. etc. This implies 2 things: One, it was Guts' destiny to help Caska and him killing Apostles and going 'against' fate was him following his fate all along. I believe the metaphor used in the series was that of a fish jumping out of the river only to fall back down into the flow. Lastly my second point, ahem 'Griffith did nothing wrong'. Yes my theory is based on how Griffith cannot be a 'villian' per se because he was unknowingly plotting the future of the series. Yes I know "hurr durr but what about people who followed Hitler? Were they not bad? hurr durr". In no way am I saying what Griffith did was right, just that being manipulated for future events to happen doesn't inherently make you bad, hence why I say Griffith possibly becomes 'an even more morally gray character'. with this theory.
I honestly I had no other idea where to post and it's been on my mind for a while.
If you stuck through this awful wall of text and my straw grasping theory, thank you. Please leave criticisms about this post or any questions because honestly, speculating is just fun!
Sundae It should be destiny not fate in my opinion
Griffith is seen almost as a messiah in the eyes of other humans. And rightly so, he quite literally brings souls back from the dead to allow their loved ones to say goodbye to them one last time before they leave peacefully to the afterlife.
Such an action is probably close to the epitome of benevolence..
I really enjoyed your theory and I agree. Just like in life sometimes we do terrible things to others and yet we are capable of doing beautiful things for others. Griffith lives his life through his eyes and no one else's, the story unfolds as a random cascade of events that somehow manage to be coherent and keep us wanting more. Terrific writing and artwork that makes us question where we ourselves are apart of the story.
Griffith is most definitely the villain in Archetypal terms, but he's so well constructed that people still debate his villain status. That's the sign of a strong, well written bad guy (think Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment.)
Think about how his character is laid out, he's brutally tortured and completely broken. He then has the choice to accept his suffering for the sake of his friends, or to sacrifice them all for the sake of himself. It's no surprise that a person would make that choice considering the position he was in, very understandable. However, in making that choice he becomes the complete opposite of the ultimate hero archetype (to accept the tragedy and malevolence of existence and sacrifice yourself for the good of the future/others.)
He's driven by his own narcissism fundamentally.
Just random search on RUclips and you appeared as recommended videos, it definitely worth it, great video and excellent topics for discussion. Keep the good work
"Miura requested that the chapter not be published..."
So it's more like a 'hidden' chapter rather than a 'lost' chapter, right?
Damn was this well thought out and informative, and granted we may never know considering Miura is taking his sweet time getting to the ending. I'll be watching more of your stuff
Excited for this video, As a big fan of philosophy and Berserk I want to see your take on this. I've been meaning to do related videos like this for a while but I just can't find the time. Nontheless, can't wait.
Also, I hope you don't mind Spoiler warnings for some of your videos.
I found this channel by accident but I really enjoyed the format and started binging all the videos. Enjoy these as much as I enjoy Eyepatch Wolf’s videos.
I absolutely love your channel ! Please do a video on Goodnight Punpun. Keep up the good work !
Thank you so much for this...Berserk is one of my favorite topics ever, and i'm never tired of hearing and reading others people's takes on it's fantastic philosophy. You rock!
what happened this channel?
Damm i love your channel. I have been trying to find a someone who is into both anime and philosophical concepts on youtube and who analyze it and i finally did.
We want you back! Please just tell us you are alright!
Not to distract from the subject at hand, but you have a voice that's very easy to listen to, I look forward to checking out more of your content.
The last bit in the lost chapter, the "be as you will" bit, seems to me like a perverted version of the concept of AURYN in Michael Ende's "The Neverending Story"
"What do you suppose it means?" He asked, "'DO WHAT YOU WISH.' That must mean I can do anything I feel like. Don't you think so."
All at once Grograman's face looked alarmingly grave, and his eyes glowed.
"No," he said in his deep, rumbling voice. "It means that you must do what you really and truly want. And nothing is more difficult."
"What I really and truly want? What do you mean by that?"
"It's your own deepest secret and you yourself don't know it."
"How can I find out?"
"By going the way of your wishes, from one to another, from first to last. It will take you to what you really and truly want."
Nico Zeta it's from the book of the law and alesiter crawled aka Satan.
Shattering delusions You're alot closer to the mark
Octavio Gonzalez thanks. We're all in this together with Mirua lol. I see the struggle against The Idea of Evil directly linked to Satan with that phrase spoken to grifith. Thay phrase which leads me to believe there is a much bigger and deeper end game for Guts and Griffith than simply Niche's killing od god and uburman and ilogical build of no God existing. Its a far cry to some extent in how the the current story is handled, but I still see everything guts is going through as almost parrelel to the book.of revelations. That's my two cents for now. Look for a video upload on the subject from me some time.
Loved this. My friend and I were discussing this the other day not with berserk but the philosophy you were speaking of. Then I watch this video about my favorite series and I am just like wow.
I could very easily see Griffith taking issue with the idea of evil and seek to utterly and completely crush it in a true and unadulterated pursuit of freedom. Not just for him, but for all of humanity. This wouldn't be an immediate conclusion - but something built to over time.
His actions were predetermined.
His destiny predetermined.
Which means even his Dream was predetermined.
Griffith judged his worth by the worth of his Dream. Further, he judged man by the worth of their Dream - and considered people too weak to fight for theirs beneath him.
Guts is named the struggler. He struggles against fate - And Griff, despite his attempts to purge his feelings for Guts, has partially succumbed to the influences of the child that shares his vessel.
I could see a final moment in which Guts, Griff, or both are dying in their final effort to free themselves (or each other) from the threads of fate that have so strongly dictated their story until now; Griff postulating over whether or not this action, too, is predetermined. If these actions are of his own design, or that of the guiding hand of fate.
At that, if it even matters.
That's the kind of ending I want to see. One where Griffith can redeem himself in his own eyes - and one in which Guts can overcome his hatred and truly become Griffith's "friend" - a true equal, in every sense. A return and fulfilment of their initial goals - and the initial bond they held - so long ago. A sort've bittersweet ending as the world changes one last time.
Griffith doesn't exist anymore, only Femto, and Femto is a demon, he's 100% evil... and he is directly controled by the Idea of Evil, since he's a member of his hand/God Hand.
The IoE's goal is Femto's goal, no way around that. So no; he won't redeem himself.
I'd love to see this.
Randall Flagg considering the IoE didn’t stay in the volumes, none of what you’re saying is confirmed
@@suren123a - You're wrong, the IoE also makes an appearance in the episode 82, which has been published in the official volume.
(And Flora also mentions the IoE, claiming that the God Hand are "executors of the will of something lurking in the distant Abyss")
@Alex Kalinin - Not, he's not. Come on, it's pretty basic stuff...
At the latest Eclipse, Griffith was reborn as the demon Femto, leaving the "human Griffith" behind for good.
Then the God Hand used the Incarnation Ceremony to give him a 100% corporeal body, but he is still Femto, he doesn't "become Griffith again".
Greetings from El Salvador. Great philosophy and my beloved Berserk + the original anime soundtrack like guts theme and earth and forces at the end. This video painted a big smile in my face and in my metaphysical heart. I wish I could give you a 1000 likes .
"that is, if we even get an ending" that didnt age well....
,,He, who desires but acts not, breeds pestilence".
I actually don't know what to write as a commentary... this video just brought new perspectives to subjects I've been reflecting a lot and it's surprised the hell out of me to find out how much I still have to read and research...
I must thank you, this video is amazingly made and brought to me a whole new concept inside of philosophy to me. Your work is above pricing! Good job and keep it going, there is still a lot you can amaze us in future and I'm excitingly waiting for it! 👏🏾
6:05 that has gotta be deepest thing i've heard in a while, i will definitely remember that
You are a majestic creature, may whatever it is you're doing continue for as long as you wish.
Never blame Miura for a Hiatus, always blame idolmaster. IdolMaster is the Griffith as is Berserk is my obsession with this series.
I love your voice, I can feel the thirst for knowledge and understanding behind it and great video! Earned my subscription.
Definitely got my sub, and don't talk about not getting an ending to Berserk.
I already know the ending
Hey I admire you a lot. Both anime and philosophy are my favourite and you synthesized it. My God! I love you and so on....
Please cover the topic of identity in Ergo Proxy. You'll love Vincent Law's journey that explored anamnesis and the Butterfly Dream Parable.
Colin Velius yes
YESS
Loved the video, thought provoking and entertaining. I’m not really much of an anime follower but have always been drawn to Berserk and what little I understand about Devilman. I’m interested in hearing more of your analysis on the subjects!
7:28 "If we even get an ending" 😭
While I have not read everything about Warhammer 40k series, I've read a little bit. And I'm struck by the similarity between Fulgrim and Griffith. The obvious being that both strove for perfection, to free themselves of their imperfections, and in doing so lost their humanity.
That both were also destined for 'greatness' by higher beings and had their lives laid out before them. The Emperor designing Fulgrim, and Slaanesh corrupting him then turning him into a Daemon Prince. While Griffith was granted victory and success by the "Idea of Evil" for most of his life then had it taken from him at his most critical hour. All for the God Hand to corrupt and ascend him.
Both had loved ones that they cast aside for perfection. Someone they loved as a brother. Ferrus Manus was important to Fulgrim. Important enough that he tried to corrupt Ferrus as well, and even 10,000 years after killing him cannot get out of his head.
And then you've got Griffith. Who loved Guts as a brother, only to sacrifice him and use him yet still seems to have some obsession with him. Even now into the latest arc.
What are your thoughts on the comparison?
“What if humans created God, not viceversa” that honestly blew my mind
That’s so cute
It's like saying what if the comment commented you not viceversa. People still stuck in the idea of god which is given in the bible and can't think beyond that. People still don't know what God is, which is sad.
@@Qwertyuiop-xz3kj it's not at all like that.
Mike Hunt because...? Your statement has zero value without explanation.
@@Qwertyuiop-xz3kj Yes you are correct, modern critic of religion is fucking idiotic, they have zero idea about metaphysics and how to interpret myths, which is also why they think alchemy is actually about physically creating a philosopher stone lol.
The famous track of Berserk always gives me goosebumps.
Been waiting for you to do a view on berserk. You could probably make a series of videos just on berserk
That voice is so smooth af though. Subscribed so I can listen to more of this goodness.
lol your voice got my sub..
Just a calm speaking person to listen and relax.
Oh boy, I found a high quality channel! I expect good things from you!
"Cup.. cup.. cup.. cup.. cup?? Cup.."
Cup: a cup-shaped cup with a certain...cuppiness...
Shut the cup up
That is the first time I've ever seen you in my feed, I took a chance out of curiosity to check out this video ( I'm not even a fan a berserk), and I can genuinely this is a fantastic video essay and can't wait to see what else is in store for this channel!
I still need to read the manga, so I'll put this video on hold til then.
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Its not really a spoiler because it was kinda scraped but its up to you
doctorawesome2 I have the first 3 volumes, but I dont have enough money to buy the rest at the moment.
RWDS nah dawg. Capitalism.
I just came across your video and I did enjoy this. It’s nice to see there are others that study philosophy.
FUN GAME YOU CAN TRY AT HOME:
Take a shot everytime she says god
i just finished watching a good chunk of your videos and i'm upset it took me this long to find your channel. your videos are amazing and it feels like i found a long lost friend lol keep doing what you're doing because i can't wait to see what you put out next.
26/4 Berserk is back baby!
Videos like this hype me up for berserk even more
Here is an interasting question:if Nietzsche was alive,what animes do you think he would like?
Moyashimon
Saul Dagenham Yes,sure,why not?
Idol anime and SOA, cuz nihilism.
Sum Arber Sure,why not?
Extreme futa porn.
Think you for rereading Heigle. Subbed, liked, and commented. This is the first one I listened too. Now watching the rest.
It is the arrogance of humans to think that a divine existence would be anything like them, and care about them. A true force of nature would be true-neutral, if you use the DnD alignment system as reference. Good, evil, chaos, and order are all human-made constructs that a god would be independent from. If anything, a god is probably just the summation of all matter, energy, and data in existence. Rather related to "All is one, one is all."
Which is why human-made "divine" beings such as the Idea of Evil make sense for fitting into human-defined concepts such as good and evil.
However, for what it's worth, typically in real world religions - particularly in judeochristian mythos where these concepts are very prominent - good and evil are defined based on whether God supports or condemns them on a case-by-case basis. Meaning anything God does or tells His followers to do is inherently "good". This of course leads to a lot of morally messy things to look back on from out modern-day point of view.
I would beg to differ. A Deity to me is best described as an eternal, divine, sapient, indescribably powerful law of reality or force. The closest I can come to describing what I'm trying to describe is imagine if something like gravity or relativity was alive and was risen to the greatest level of divinity. Also, just because it follows a different thought pattern or its perspective does not hinge on human logic does not mean it could not care about humanity. In fact, it might have concerns that extend to countless points in the cosmos beyond and including humans. I believe the universe is rational and just, but that doesn't mean that it hinges on human logic. We're just trying to describe these things using the closest approximations we have. As with all fields of knowledge, contemplation, research, and critique are necessary to the understanding of the sacred.
Colin Velius a god that created a universe would no more pay attention to its finer workings than we notice all the insect we trample on a daily basis. That’s why most of the founding fathers were deists and Atheist Buddhists exist.
Gods are man-made in so far as they are articulations of archetypes and features human nature; however, the patterns in human behavior which are articulated as gods have a biological substructure which makes them beyond the creation of humans.
Isn't Atheist Buddhist redundant? Aren't Buddhists inherently atheist?
Your voice is so good I could just keep listening forever
God is infinite --- infinite in consciousness, awareness, form and power; but God has form which we can perceive, or at least assume, because Biblical scripture states we are based on his own appearance. Therefore, God can take any form he wants, equate and surpass any entity within the world we see which he created, but he sees our form as the height of his creation --- it is our direct link, the vision of what is nature and what is real is that we are of God's form and can perceive the world he made; that is because we are his children who he has promised inheritance of his Earth.
At least, if you believe in almighty God.
The first video I watched from your channel and I'm already sold
Rather than Plato's idea of forms, I think Camus' idea of the absurd could work better to explain the origin of "God" in Berserk. The endless search for reasons behind tragedies and death basically sounds like the fundamental contradiction in Camus' writing. That being our endless search for meaning and the universe's lack of any.
But even that has it's limits since I don't understand the extent to which the "God" in Berserk really controls the fate of humans. They talked about it being "established" earlier in time but by who? Griffith's parents? The God hand?
Could God hypothetically overwrite the fate of someone they established before if the desires of people suddenly changed?
Personally I think it'd be amazing if the existence of Guts was actually God trying to create a worthy opponent to Griffith.
Still, Awesome video!
What if I told you... Guts was created to oppose the Gods?
J.M In all honesty, I think that'd make for a great climax :D
I read both your analyisis (which is quite good) and the saw the video, which I believe used Plato as a way to introduce into the basics of Idealism stablishing a base for Hegel. I kinda think in Berserk, the background for our interpretations would end up being permeated by our particular views and principles on which seems to be a particular theme, Determinism and Will. Maybe cheering on Guts as a manifestation of freedom and selfcraft sense is indeed a way to relieve us of the pain of carrying the rock uphill. I love Guts Character because I think he actually embodies Camus hero of the absurd, knowing full well it's all senseless and not giving a fuck anyway.
Just coming across your page and I already know this is gonna be one of my go-to favorites!
It's a crime you only have 3K subs.
I subscribed after you mentioned Hegel.
Keep up the great videos!
So what you mean is that Griffith crossed into the world of forms to be recreated into a being perfect for saving humanity? Neat
Anyway, subbed.
I have recently found your channel and i find it very fascinating. Hope to have enough time to go through all your videos!
It's a mish-mash of all of it.
The theory of forms definitely plays a part, but isn't the whole story. It's the theory of forms if we created the forms. ::Tim & Eric mind-blowing animation::
Huh, another underrated channel. Time to binge watch the Content.
All his art looks like the etchings made by Francisco Goya before he died or lost his mind. _Los Disparates,_ stand out the most. As well as _Los Caprichos._
For those who don't know, Goya invented "dark fantasy" during the Romantic Era. Though he's rarely given credit for this in the English speaking world. As few know him.
Awesome video thanks.
Please do a video on texhnolyze. It would be awesome if you can analyze it's take on nihilism.
chupamiubre it's more about fatalism imo