This printer is literally what started my business. I always heard people say damn that’s slow or I would never buy that in the comments. Well it paid for itself in 5 months and the only printers that come close to the print resolution start about 3-4 X more expensive. Hands down the coolest printer I know that is obtainable for a starting business. I used rubber bands and a cardboard tube to make a rewinder before I knew you could even purchase something called a rewinder 😂. Ran that thing 24/7 I remover my wife and I taking shifts over night to load it. I never like it when people tell me I can’t do some thing so my drive to make it work with this printer was just that much stronger 💪. It’s a DX 7 head
ye i remember when you had it on your channel and i was considering it back then for sure. and you saying the guy you sold it to was doing pretty well with it!
I totally agree with you on this. The BN20 is what i run and use. I can crank out 4000 to 6000 stickers with it in one week.. Granted these are small stickers.. 1x3 in size, but i can do it. I can crank out 3000 to 4000 3x3 stickers which is about the average size with no issues. Love my BN20..
see what i mean its only the people who don't own them or are an established print shop that wouldn't make sense to step down. my only gripe is bigger shops advising people to stay away from them without knowing their situation budget space etc.. you are killin it with yours!
Good points on the BN-20 specifically.... good for it's size for sure -- people do need to understand all the pros/cons before making the call. Definitely has a good market 😜
The con is people expect a racetrack ready car when they paid for a Honda Civic with a 4 cylinder motor. Sure it will get you around the track but don’t expect to win first place for fastest car in that race. I remember back when I got dial-up internet and couldn’t use the phone at the same time. Then I got DSL making calls and using the internet like a boss. Now I got 1TB internet and my kids get upset when a 500 MB file takes more than 5 minute to download while they have two TVs streaming movies and their computers playing video games with someone halfway around the earth. LOL 😂 They want everything fast yet they are slow at physically getting up to do anything.
Great video… I have my own small maker space, and have been looking to add a printer like the BN20… one just popped up on my local market place for 1500 bucks, I might jump on it. Perfect for the hobby type guys !!
You're right, I've got mine for 5 months now and love it. I keep it in my office and print phone skins and the quality is amazing. For the larger prints the draft option is a little bit faster and the quality of the print is pretty decent.
its funny the people who have it understand for sure. i mean when you get to a point where you are so busy and it cant keep up that means it did its job and you can upgrade for sure!
oh man ! this just reminded me of those old thermal ribbon printers !! The company that made these was called calcomp, I bought one from a good friend, nobody had the ribbons for these and you had to get them from Italy !! before there was the internet !! The best Image producing / reproducing machine money could buy ! They used to have these smaller machines in print shops to make prepress proofs . . . oh man what a blast from the past ! Yeah BN's are good too, I was going to get one for a first machine but I lucked out ad got a VS 540 for a good price, running 8 colours including white and metallic the BNS are good in that they are supported by the newer versaworsks 6 which the older machines are not, one of my friends has one of these in his shop cranking out tshirt transfers, you CAN make DTF transfers with it too :-) for a little machine its packs a big punch, even if you have other printers, you can still have one of these sitting there just working in the background, what they probably mean about it being slow, is the cutting, as it uses a screw type mechanism for the cutter, for printing though its on par with the VS series as it as the same print head, but with the quality of print output from this, the slower cutting is negligible, not to mention faster ripping with versa works 6
Not only do I still remember the Roland Ribbon printer, I still have one!!!!! A Pro PC-600! Amazing results, but those ribbons, yep, mortgage the kids because it was like buying gold bullion. I also have multiple GS 24's, and a VS-640. Love the Roland's, thanks for the vids.
the bn 20 is the perfect starter machine. it has the newer head that can print fine detail. i wish i had one the i started. for home based and side hustle its perfect.
I got a CMYKW bn20 a few years ago. Hardly ever used the white and have since swapped out the white cartridge with a generic brand cleaning cartridge. Works just fine and no more buying white ink to essentially flush it into the waste tank.
Hey thanks this is something I’m wondering about. Previous owner used silver metallic and I don’t want to buy it so I need to fill that slot. So that works just fine when it runs? Would you eventually be able to use a different color like cyan since you’ve been running cleaner through it?
I think you could only use the original that was removed, as the printer is programmed during installation. That fifth slot only takes Magenta, Metallic or White and a change needs a tech visit. In theory, the line can be flushed but it takes a lot of ink, and since there is no way to just flush the one "channel" you would be wasting all your other ink too. In my case, I considered it a permanent fix. If I really find myself needing white, BN20 are pretty cheap used or the new BN20A which is four times faster would be tempting :)@@lablount2910
exactly, get your feet wet! and if it becomes to slow for your production you are def on the right track and perhaps ready to upgrade as most have with it! but at the end of the day it prints on commercial vinyl!
Here here. I’ve owned 2 BN-20s, and now that I’ve run one into the ground, I just purchased a BN-20A which apparently can print a lot faster but even with 1 BN-20, yeah there are days where I can’t get everyone done that I’d like to but for the most part, the speed isn’t an issue.
Im looking at getting either a BN20 or BN20A? Im new to eco-solvent. Since you have used both, which would you recommend? Im interested in the metallic option
Thank you! Great video! I'm starting a clothing brand & want to have print/cut capability for stickers, promo stuff, HTV, etc. I see the same comments & vids about the BN20, but for my set up, the BN20 would be perfect. I'm just getting into it & I am NOT looking to turn into a high production print shop--that is not my primary business. For the price point & capabilities I've seen, the BN20 would be a great way to expand my business.
@@DaPrintHouse My thoughts exactly! I see so many people starting business who go way overboard to begin with, rack up a ton of debt, then struggle to get out from behind the 8 ball. So much of it is people who don’t discern between good & bad advice. Great videos. Subbed. 👍🏼👍🏼
Ty for this video..im looking at this machine to add to my t shirt business to offer decals and car logos, banners etc...i think its a affordable starting point
Just a tip for future to you. When you one day want to carry that latex out, you can remove three screws between the stand and the printer and the top part will simply lift up from the stand. Then it's doable to carry it with two strong people and carry the legs separate.
Lol widh that was the issue thats how it went down.. Its the stairs that is the issue. Printer has to be 100 vertical. when i sell the house its getting buried down there.
Thanks for this video, can I ask tho, why you don't want a mimaki? I was considering some time ago either the BN20A or the 75cm mimaki before, although now with BN2 out the BN-20A is so much cheaper that it is not actually comparable with the mimaki I was also thinking about. I didn't got any of them but now I'm looking again for a machine.
Yes!!! I say purchase within your budget not based off what people say!! Do we all want one with the bells and whistles yes we all do!! But work your way up if your wallet isn't set up like that.
I've been wanting one for awhile, everywhere is out of stock...I have regular ink jets, I do mostly small jobs, and am working my way up to a BN20a then a bigger roland. Thanks for sharing your insight about this printer.
ye its like that for a lot of equipment unfortunately, back when i bought my stahls fusion iq i had to wait 4 about 3 months. i think because of covid a lot of people decided now was the time to make a change into side income and went out and started buying
@@DaPrintHouse yeah, that is my reason for jumping into the side work more....for sure. You have great content on your channel, that's why I keep watching! Keep up the great work!
@@thecomiccircuit i appreciate that! and same with me, when covid started myself my wife and all 4 of our kids caught the virus, and i was in the hospital for a week fighting for my life. when i got out of the hospital i also decided to jump into it more then i have ever done it in the past. because of the health issues i was experiencing i wasn't sure i would be able to return to work. that's why i invested in equipment. i also had a side gig for years in CNC and shirts, but never large format printing at home. the uncertainty of everything was scary. i still have issues with legs but i keep pushing forward!
For people watching in 2024, the print head cost is around $800-$1200 now from what I'm seeing (Could be wrong) Thank you for the video, I just ordered one and am excited to get into this field
Great info, thanks! What if the machine isn’t used every day, will the heads clog or dry quickly? That was the problem I had with sublimation printers.
No prob, with tbe bn20 u leave plugged in and powered on. It does self cleaning. I was gone on vacation last feb. Didnt use for over a week. Ran print was just the same!
if you need to print white ink like on clear vinyl or static clink white helps but you will need to use it every day and keep the machine maintained. the non A will use 2 magentas. like mine. both machines are great but when a salesman says he would choose the bn20 non A i would take the advice, plus i seen so many people with issues running the white version.
I'm buying one... can't wait til that day comes.. Let me ask you this, I'm considering getting this along with the roland gs 24 for contour cutting.. I'll be mainly making t-shirts. I had eco solvent transfers for t-shirts before and I love it, you think that's a good shop set up idea? I already have two heat presses, two cap presses, and a 24 expert pro, but it doesn't contour cut.
great idea, but the cutter will def need registration mark reader for sure. this printer is fluid with htv since you can print and cut press right away.
@Alejandro Rocha Weimar to change yourself print head could cost $2k only time i see people need to replace is because the machine had long gaps not printing.
really thank you , am using silhouette studio to cut vinyl and HTV am looking for print and cut to make decal stickers and labels u made me wanna buy it thanks for the advices :)
I've heard that the bn20 also laminates, but I haven't found a video demonstrating it. Can you demo the features of the bn20? What other machines are comparable at this price point?
Agree with your statement here regarding the BN-20 being slow I will even ask those people “slower than what” It’s not an everyday regular desktop printer that you use at home or office. It’s a different printing technology. If you starting out with desktop printer, it’s obvious that you don’t have that much jobs to justify getting $23,000 or more printer. So what is your complaint really about. I have a Roland TrueVIS VG3-640 and a BN-20 printer. Prior to Covid lockdown, I had never considered getting the BN-20. However during Covid lockdown, I couldn’t enter the mall to print anything at my store where the TrueVIS VG3-640 was at. Therefore I got the BN-20 to use at home and yes it’s slow compared to TrueVIS VG3-640 but it got the job done especially for small decals. It made me money and I wasn’t waiting to nest a bunch of small print jobs before printing not to waste 40 inches of vinyl just to print a 20x20 decal. I was able to get smaller jobs out the door the same day and not looking at lots of waste. I tell you what, I wound out a BN-20 in under one year and on my second BN-20 in under two years. And you know what, I will be getting another when this one gives up.
I am interested to buy this machine. But I don`t know on which I should go , Metallic, white or Magenta. I would like to make t-shirts and to print on transparent vinyl and to make stickers as well. Any recommandation?
@@trustgaming_shorts no problem at all. Btw I did just upload a video i made this morning you may find helpful as well. It should be done processing soon. I do go over some things about the diferent versions.
So I currently am using vinyl with my cricut. I love it. However, layering is a pain and I have ppl wanting me to do full prints and pictures on shirts…I want to get into full prints. I do not want to do sublimation bc I use cotton shirts. I only sell 10-20 shirts a week if that at the moment. My budget is not huge for equipment, however I know for sure I do not want to outsource. Can you suggest if I should dtf, eco solvent, the Roland bn20a, or is there something that would be more geared to pair with my cricut to obtain that quality of the vinyl but full print?….or if you have something else in mind?
Dtf is a good option if bigger orders and u have time. But your flexability goes out the window. Having the machine in front of you allows for instant ordering of custom designs no waiting for shipping transfers from outsourcing and if u buy a dtf printer there is a lot of maintenance hope this helps.
@@DaPrintHouse thank you. Your videos are extremely truthful and helpful. I think after looking at the maintenance on Dtf , I may opt for the Roland bn20a as you discussed in the video. 🙂 thank you!
Hi. Nice video. I am beginner and want to start decals and apperal printing. Which printer should I buy. Your suggestion will be the big help for me as a beginner. Thank you
if you are looking to do more of label industry type sticker for product labeling there are plenty printer options. i can only really offer my experience but i really think the epson c6500 was the best for the budget for label products, and more commercially setup. if you want to get into more of outside signage you can outsource till you gain business. as far as shirts TBH i would outsource transfers to get started you save time and money if you use a dtf or any good transfer company to supply your images. gain enough business then look into a machine. this is how i would do it if i was doing it again, hope it helps
been following you for a while.....i have two Etsy shops with more than 1,000 sales each all with a pigment ink canon and self adhesive sheets i kno its not the best quality but i stacked some money and have 6k for a upgrade been thinking about going eco solvent bn-20 or the new crase uvdtf but hear a lot of headaches with uvdtf my question is if you were in my shoes what would you pick up too improve quality ?
its hard to give advice for big decisions like that without really knowing your goals and direction. dtf is pretty hor right now but im more into printing for stickers or banners myself, not much making shirts for sale these days
@@DaPrintHouse thank you for the reply i went bn20 already on my 2 roll of 150ft media only problem i get is heavy yellow stickers cause heavy drops of ink streak on top of the laminate on the cut pass
Using Velxi master plus. Signwharehouse program. Can u print from that program with crop marks and cut on a graphtec plotter. God how I wish HP made a desktop latex primer.
Not familiar with that program but lookup cuttingmaster plugin and see if it has support for your cutter, otherwise not sure that program has reg mark feature.
@@DaPrintHouse Basically it's flexi sign. Went into the setting's it has a driver for the Roland Bn20. Gonna get in touch with Roland to make sure. I'm so familiar with the that program. I just prefer to work in it. I use it for sublimation, signs and screen printing.
@@Dtag1971 oh im sorry thought was something else. With flexi production manager u would need to purchase the package to work with diferent cutters that use regustration reader or barcode system. See if cutting master supports your cutter model.
Question on nesting a job print to cut: I'm having an issue with the black smearing on the last print and then it will go to the first cut. Black from the last print smears on the next white vinyl for the next nesting job.
ok so you are saying it smears from the cutting knife blade holder as it goes over contour cutting? what is your pressure set for on contour cutting? also you can set a timer between prints and cuts if u need more dry time, depending on some settings. it can have more ink in spots then others.
Sorry.....let's say I print 6 images 8.5"x 11" and nested 2 rows of 3 long....the last of the printed nested job (print 5 and 6) are smearing on unused vinyl because it prints out the nested job first and then cuts but the ink is not dry enough for the end print of the nested job....hopefully I explained it better. Thanks 😊.
@@gcogs7865 ye just a tad confused. so you are saying it cuts the most recent print first and smears while cutting those instead of cutting the 1st prints first? hope i didn't confuse it more lol
@@DaPrintHouse Almost....it prints the entire nested job first. Then it reminds the to cut at the first print...everything it suppose to do is correct (print and then cut) but the last image on that nested job is smearing because it reminds (which it is suppose to do) but rubs against the new vinyl because the vinyl spooler doesn't reverse and the film touches
@@gcogs7865 lol oh i see, so it prints like it supposed to. then when in rewinds the printed media back through the back end rubs on the roll. when you watch it can u see why it just doesn't pass roll ? what if you add some slack to roll when its almost done printing that way it rewinds it should just push over the unused roll
Thank you for your video on this! I am seeking some direction with printers like this. I’m in the market to buy a white toner printer or a BN-20. I am an illustrator and I draw peoples cars for commissions. I take those illustrations and make die cut stickers and sell those on Etsy. Not a huge volume of stickers…but looking to grow.. also looking to print on clear vinyl hence the white toner interest. I would use it daily maybe ever other day possibly. So…is the bn-20 a good option for me? My only concern here is that you can’t die cut with the bn-20, only kiss cut. I want to fill cut out ehe sticker. Would a white toner printer work better for me to make stickers and shirts heat transfers? I appreciate your time and thoughts!
Thx for watching! Im not the biggest fan of white toner. Ok for small prints like for hats or shirt pockets. I think the machines are so overpriced. The bn20 with white would be good for you def keep up with maintenance and use white every day to keep it flowing
I have do much question Ty for this I don’t want to dump over 5k without hesitation. Where do you recommend I buy my machines for tshirt printing and sticker decal making thank you
Literally just had this pop up in recommended as I've been looking at entry level laminated sticker printing.. the BN-20 caters for exactly what you spoke of; limited space and needing something compact.. the speed is a little irrelevant so long as the maintenance is down and quality is optimal. £3-5k is a little outside my budget for now - do you think there's any inkjet printer/vinyl cutter setups worth trying on a much lower budget or just save for one of them and don't bother until that point? I'm weighing up pros and cons of getting my own or to find a local print company to do the jobs for me in batch.. but you've put some good points up so far.
Hello! Thank you for this video! I'm currently using just a Canon printer and a silhouette cutter, but I really wanna up my business and I was looking for hardware that would do it. Will this print out weatherproof decals on its own or will they need be laminated?
It doesn't print slow in my opinion. I printed six 3inch tall stickers in 3 minutes. and 1 minute to cut the stickers out. Idk why people think thats slow. If you print and cut 100 stickers than yea, its gonna take a while. big projects equal longer print time.
What kind of stand would you recommend for the BN-20? Should I purchase the Roland stand for $300? Or could I get away with another heavy-duty machine?
Hello I'm new to your channel. I have a question for the bn20. I herd about white color clogging issues. Is it bad for the machine if your not using it every day? Also want to start making vehicle decals for windows and on the body of vehicle. I'm confused on what type or bundle do you buy cmyk or with the white ink and what best to use for materials clear or white vinyl? I know there's a lot of questions but if you don't respond I understand. If somebody can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. Thx
I would say the white would have to be used frequently because you want it moving in and out through head and the lines such as the capping station and lines to waste box. Otherwise for regular sign and aito printing u print on white media mostly for it. So if u dont have much interest printing on clear media like static cling or clear media go for the cmyk bn20-A rather then the bn20 with 5 inks. Hope this helps and goodlucm
Thank you soo much. I'm looking to make my own vinyl decals of my own rc logos. But not start a decal business. So I want to print and cut my logo on clear vinyl with color. So what I am looking for is a one all machine printer and cutter. But do strong enough decal for rc racing and climate change. This is one I am researching. Also I see you race also. Thank you soo much for the info and vid. What do you recommend for me? Can you point me in right direction. Jason RcVitals
my memory is kicking in lol there was a printer called ALPS i think and would use the same ribbon tech and we could print on vinyl with it, i wanna say somewhere around 2000 when i had it and i felt on top of the world being able to print on vinyl lol but was small
Debating about getting the A version, but im not sure if I can justify putting down the money, although I know getting stickers made cost a lot of money.
@@Negative.headspace on a budget i really like afinity products very cheap and easy to setup.withots tutorials online. Afinity designer works much like illustrator and will also work with illustrator and photoshop files. Otherwise versa works is free but very limited
@@DaPrintHouse i think my friend has illustrator, I was even talking to him about teaming up because he wants to make some extra cash, I guess the last question I have is, I have a vinyl cutter, does this machine print on the same vinyl or would I have to get a new material?
@@Negative.headspace it can print on various vinyls i have printed on generic adhesive vinyl i actually printed on some oracal 651 and made a video. I have to get that video up. But good to test medias
@@DaPrintHouse until now I used flex of siser. I really dont know if I will need white or not... I do t shirt, shorts, caps, clothes. Also I saw pepole complain about the speed, and I know that Roland have better machines like sp300i or sg3-300. Actually I dont wanna put a lot of money on machine that work slow... What your opinion?
I’ve been in and out and back in sign shops since I was 18…im 32 now. I’m ready to take the next step and buy a machine for home. The BN-20 is what I want but the price is a bit steep. Any suggestions on starting up a business with little capitol? I wrap vehicles and pell n clean mainly… but I want to do more designing on my own.
hi, for wrapping bn20 wont be much help other then doing smaller ehicle graphics. or small vehicles with a bunch of prints, but im sure you know this. if i were to buy again i would go with the bn20A for a print and cut machine $5500 is pretty good pricing, and the printing is phenomenal
Aloha, will this cut reflective vinyl without the need to print? I need to get a new cutter and thought a print cut system would be cool. Would rather make my own than order printed media and ship to Hawaii. Also, does the printer do well in humid regions? Mahalo!
I would take a Mimaki over a Mutoh or Roland any day I have had every large format printer under the sun and can say Hands down Mimaki is the fastest and best printer out there Whether it's UV, ECO Sol, Roll or Flatbed...........Mimaki for the win
@@DaPrintHouse I bought a 2015 with a clogged head (actually turned out to be utterly delaminated) ...I actually only need 2 channels running for it to be viable...but anyways, now wont start as its saying room temp is -120c.. Im starting to hate them.
@DaPrintHouse I found a bn20 used but it has a yellow overspray mist only for yellow prints. Its not too bad. He said it doesnt affect any print quality. The guy is selling it for 1500 should i take it. He upgraded to a large printer
I'm luck I find on Facebook Market a printer for $500 with clogs heads , I clean with cleaning solution and go back to working, this machine come with DX7 epson Printhead is easy maintenance
That $2100 print head replacement is enough for me to say no thanks. The fact that they wont allow customers to replace those parts themselves still boggles my mind. And how is it $2100 when the HP latex print head is $125?
exactly it annoys me some companies do this, they factor in parts as part of the profits. $2100 for a printhead on a printer that is now $5000 thats almost unbelievable
@@bhutch216 the thing is roland machines are pretty durable to last unlike some other ecosol brands, but its nothing new in the industry for ecosol machines to not have user replaceable print heads. but still they are very durable, and im not sure of specifics and i don't have full details. but the printhead on BN20 is not a typical epson printhead. cant remember off hand. either way there are people running the same bn20 since they came out. if i were to ever buy a large ecosol it would be a roland for sure, but i really like my latex, with proper profile and color knowledge you can still achieve great color output on latex
@@DaPrintHouse I mean price wise. If you buy a $5000 printer and have to pay $2100 every time to replace that print head, your spending 84% of the original price every two replacements.
This printer is literally what started my business. I always heard people say damn that’s slow or I would never buy that in the comments. Well it paid for itself in 5 months and the only printers that come close to the print resolution start about 3-4 X more expensive. Hands down the coolest printer I know that is obtainable for a starting business. I used rubber bands and a cardboard tube to make a rewinder before I knew you could even purchase something called a rewinder 😂. Ran that thing 24/7 I remover my wife and I taking shifts over night to load it. I never like it when people tell me I can’t do some thing so my drive to make it work with this printer was just that much stronger 💪. It’s a DX 7 head
O forgot to mention I am not a huge shop but I still watch your videos and love the content and point of view.
ye i remember when you had it on your channel and i was considering it back then for sure. and you saying the guy you sold it to was doing pretty well with it!
@@printshoptalk i appreciate that derrick
I’m trying to be like Derek . I need this
@@RhyBeats derrick and his wife are killin it!
Thank you so much... my family purchased the Roland for me for Mother's Day.
how awesome of them, you will love it, be patient learn it and keep up with the low maintenance and you will really enjoy this!
Wow! What a cool gift! ❤😮😊
Ive been looking at this machine and thankyou for being honest its a big step for me from going from a graphtec vinyl cutter to this printer
I totally agree with you on this. The BN20 is what i run and use. I can crank out 4000 to 6000 stickers with it in one week.. Granted these are small stickers.. 1x3 in size, but i can do it. I can crank out 3000 to 4000 3x3 stickers which is about the average size with no issues. Love my BN20..
see what i mean its only the people who don't own them or are an established print shop that wouldn't make sense to step down. my only gripe is bigger shops advising people to stay away from them without knowing their situation budget space etc.. you are killin it with yours!
I'm thinking of buying to get my side hustle on, separate from work. Your videos have been very insightful, Ken. Keep up the great work.
thanks for stickin with me mike! 🤜
@@DaPrintHouse 🤛🏻
Good points on the BN-20 specifically.... good for it's size for sure -- people do need to understand all the pros/cons before making the call. Definitely has a good market 😜
so lets stay positive and understand why people might be considering it 👍
The con is people expect a racetrack ready car when they paid for a Honda Civic with a 4 cylinder motor. Sure it will get you around the track but don’t expect to win first place for fastest car in that race.
I remember back when I got dial-up internet and couldn’t use the phone at the same time. Then I got DSL making calls and using the internet like a boss. Now I got 1TB internet and my kids get upset when a 500 MB file takes more than 5 minute to download while they have two TVs streaming movies and their computers playing video games with someone halfway around the earth. LOL 😂
They want everything fast yet they are slow at physically getting up to do anything.
You are so right people do talk people out of getting things keep up the good work and thanks for sharing stay safe and Bless
thanks for that! 👍
Great video… I have my own small maker space, and have been looking to add a printer like the BN20… one just popped up on my local market place for 1500 bucks, I might jump on it. Perfect for the hobby type guys !!
great printer to get started with!
Thank you for this info. Just bought my BN-20 today. I've been selling on Etsy for a year now and needed to upgrade from my cricut and hp printer.
great little machine easy to use! wish u success
Thanks for this. Had been looking into printers and your honest opinion has me leaning towards purchasing.
You're right, I've got mine for 5 months now and love it. I keep it in my office and print phone skins and the quality is amazing. For the larger prints the draft option is a little bit faster and the quality of the print is pretty decent.
its funny the people who have it understand for sure. i mean when you get to a point where you are so busy and it cant keep up that means it did its job and you can upgrade for sure!
Phone skins? How do you do that and what's it for?
@@babybear7167 You can see the whole process here: ruclips.net/video/H3iQdNi5Ayk/видео.html
oh man ! this just reminded me of those old thermal ribbon printers !! The company that made these was called calcomp, I bought one from a good friend, nobody had the ribbons for these and you had to get them from Italy !! before there was the internet !! The best Image producing / reproducing machine money could buy ! They used to have these smaller machines in print shops to make prepress proofs . . . oh man what a blast from the past ! Yeah BN's are good too, I was going to get one for a first machine but I lucked out ad got a VS 540 for a good price, running 8 colours including white and metallic the BNS are good in that they are supported by the newer versaworsks 6 which the older machines are not, one of my friends has one of these in his shop cranking out tshirt transfers, you CAN make DTF transfers with it too :-) for a little machine its packs a big punch, even if you have other printers, you can still have one of these sitting there just working in the background, what they probably mean about it being slow, is the cutting, as it uses a screw type mechanism for the cutter, for printing though its on par with the VS series as it as the same print head, but with the quality of print output from this, the slower cutting is negligible, not to mention faster ripping with versa works 6
Not only do I still remember the Roland Ribbon printer, I still have one!!!!! A Pro PC-600! Amazing results, but those ribbons, yep, mortgage the kids because it was like buying gold bullion. I also have multiple GS 24's, and a VS-640. Love the Roland's, thanks for the vids.
those were the days! when the end was near we used to hoard all the carts lol
I have a BN-20 and it's been a great little printer. It's paid for itself in the time I've had it.
I just send a bunch of jobs to it and walk away.
the bn 20 is the perfect starter machine. it has the newer head that can print fine detail. i wish i had one the i started. for home based and side hustle its perfect.
Same with me!
I got a CMYKW bn20 a few years ago. Hardly ever used the white and have since swapped out the white cartridge with a generic brand cleaning cartridge. Works just fine and no more buying white ink to essentially flush it into the waste tank.
Hey thanks this is something I’m wondering about. Previous owner used silver metallic and I don’t want to buy it so I need to fill that slot. So that works just fine when it runs? Would you eventually be able to use a different color like cyan since you’ve been running cleaner through it?
I think you could only use the original that was removed, as the printer is programmed during installation. That fifth slot only takes Magenta, Metallic or White and a change needs a tech visit. In theory, the line can be flushed but it takes a lot of ink, and since there is no way to just flush the one "channel" you would be wasting all your other ink too. In my case, I considered it a permanent fix. If I really find myself needing white, BN20 are pretty cheap used or the new BN20A which is four times faster would be tempting :)@@lablount2910
Thanks for your advice I just bought a BN-20-A
Well said my friend. Still have my eye on the BN20 as a starter. If you are doing high/fast production then yes get a faster printer.
exactly, get your feet wet! and if it becomes to slow for your production you are def on the right track and perhaps ready to upgrade as most have with it! but at the end of the day it prints on commercial vinyl!
@@DaPrintHouse yep and thank you again for sending it 😂
@@RhyBeats 😆
Here here. I’ve owned 2 BN-20s, and now that I’ve run one into the ground, I just purchased a BN-20A which apparently can print a lot faster but even with 1 BN-20, yeah there are days where I can’t get everyone done that I’d like to but for the most part, the speed isn’t an issue.
Great machines. And thats the great thing u get enough work that u get to a point yiu can eventually upgrade.
Im looking at getting either a BN20 or BN20A? Im new to eco-solvent. Since you have used both, which would you recommend? Im interested in the metallic option
Great content! I crossed this machine off my list before seeing this video. Reconsidering......
Thank you! Great video! I'm starting a clothing brand & want to have print/cut capability for stickers, promo stuff, HTV, etc. I see the same comments & vids about the BN20, but for my set up, the BN20 would be perfect. I'm just getting into it & I am NOT looking to turn into a high production print shop--that is not my primary business. For the price point & capabilities I've seen, the BN20 would be a great way to expand my business.
ye i agree, would be perfect and if you out grow it they have great resealable value and just move up.
@@DaPrintHouse My thoughts exactly! I see so many people starting business who go way overboard to begin with, rack up a ton of debt, then struggle to get out from behind the 8 ball. So much of it is people who don’t discern between good & bad advice. Great videos. Subbed. 👍🏼👍🏼
Ty for this video..im looking at this machine to add to my t shirt business to offer decals and car logos, banners etc...i think its a affordable starting point
Just a tip for future to you. When you one day want to carry that latex out, you can remove three screws between the stand and the printer and the top part will simply lift up from the stand. Then it's doable to carry it with two strong people and carry the legs separate.
Lol widh that was the issue thats how it went down..
Its the stairs that is the issue. Printer has to be 100 vertical. when i sell the house its getting buried down there.
Thanks for this video, can I ask tho, why you don't want a mimaki? I was considering some time ago either the BN20A or the 75cm mimaki before, although now with BN2 out the BN-20A is so much cheaper that it is not actually comparable with the mimaki I was also thinking about. I didn't got any of them but now I'm looking again for a machine.
ok i should rephrase, i do like the new stuff. bad experiences in the past is all i been around mimaki over 20 years
Thank you for sharing! We can't wait to get ours.
congrats! you will enjoy that machine! 🙂
This is good and proud to know thank you
Anytime buddy
Yes!!! I say purchase within your budget not based off what people say!! Do we all want one with the bells and whistles yes we all do!! But work your way up if your wallet isn't set up like that.
you hit it right on the button.
I've been wanting one for awhile, everywhere is out of stock...I have regular ink jets, I do mostly small jobs, and am working my way up to a BN20a then a bigger roland. Thanks for sharing your insight about this printer.
ye its like that for a lot of equipment unfortunately, back when i bought my stahls fusion iq i had to wait 4 about 3 months. i think because of covid a lot of people decided now was the time to make a change into side income and went out and started buying
@@DaPrintHouse yeah, that is my reason for jumping into the side work more....for sure. You have great content on your channel, that's why I keep watching! Keep up the great work!
@@thecomiccircuit i appreciate that! and same with me, when covid started myself my wife and all 4 of our kids caught the virus, and i was in the hospital for a week fighting for my life. when i got out of the hospital i also decided to jump into it more then i have ever done it in the past. because of the health issues i was experiencing i wasn't sure i would be able to return to work. that's why i invested in equipment. i also had a side gig for years in CNC and shirts, but never large format printing at home. the uncertainty of everything was scary. i still have issues with legs but i keep pushing forward!
@@DaPrintHouse you certainly have over come quite alot, I'm glad to hear you and the family have overcome those issues...
For people watching in 2024, the print head cost is around $800-$1200 now from what I'm seeing (Could be wrong)
Thank you for the video, I just ordered one and am excited to get into this field
true the prices are dropping, also right now new machines are very cheap as well!
Some good points you are addressing here. Very motivating segment. Thanks.
ty also always open for others opinions
Great info, thanks! What if the machine isn’t used every day, will the heads clog or dry quickly? That was the problem I had with sublimation printers.
No prob, with tbe bn20 u leave plugged in and powered on. It does self cleaning. I was gone on vacation last feb. Didnt use for over a week. Ran print was just the same!
BN2 series is a smash hit!
Would you recommend the BN-20 or the BN-20A? And what really is the difference between the two? I’m heavily considering purchasing one
if you need to print white ink like on clear vinyl or static clink white helps but you will need to use it every day and keep the machine maintained. the non A will use 2 magentas. like mine. both machines are great but when a salesman says he would choose the bn20 non A i would take the advice, plus i seen so many people with issues running the white version.
I'm buying one... can't wait til that day comes.. Let me ask you this, I'm considering getting this along with the roland gs 24 for contour cutting.. I'll be mainly making t-shirts. I had eco solvent transfers for t-shirts before and I love it, you think that's a good shop set up idea? I already have two heat presses, two cap presses, and a 24 expert pro, but it doesn't contour cut.
great idea, but the cutter will def need registration mark reader for sure. this printer is fluid with htv since you can print and cut press right away.
I love your videos. Im thinking about getting one of these. Im a CNC machinist so I don't need a supper expensive.
i appreciate you watching!
how long can these be sitting between prints with out causing issues? Thank you.
thank you for the info, sir, how often do the heads need to be replaced on this Roland? On the average
hi, the heads are not user replaceable. can be done but its a big job and they are quite expensive unlike hp latex heads that you can swap out easily
How much cost to replace the head ?
@Alejandro Rocha Weimar to change yourself print head could cost $2k only time i see people need to replace is because the machine had long gaps not printing.
@@DaPrintHouse many thanks🙏🏾
really thank you , am using silhouette studio to cut vinyl and HTV am looking for print and cut to make decal stickers and labels u made me wanna buy it thanks for the advices :)
Good luck on your new adventure!
Do you need a special ink to print on vinyl or does it use the manufacturers ink?
I've heard that the bn20 also laminates, but I haven't found a video demonstrating it. Can you demo the features of the bn20? What other machines are comparable at this price point?
Agree with your statement here regarding the BN-20 being slow
I will even ask those people “slower than what”
It’s not an everyday regular desktop printer that you use at home or office.
It’s a different printing technology.
If you starting out with desktop printer, it’s obvious that you don’t have that much jobs to justify getting $23,000 or more printer. So what is your complaint really about.
I have a Roland TrueVIS VG3-640 and a BN-20 printer. Prior to Covid lockdown, I had never considered getting the BN-20. However during Covid lockdown, I couldn’t enter the mall to print anything at my store where the TrueVIS VG3-640 was at. Therefore I got the BN-20 to use at home and yes it’s slow compared to TrueVIS VG3-640 but it got the job done especially for small decals. It made me money and I wasn’t waiting to nest a bunch of small print jobs before printing not to waste 40 inches of vinyl just to print a 20x20 decal. I was able to get smaller jobs out the door the same day and not looking at lots of waste.
I tell you what, I wound out a BN-20 in under one year and on my second BN-20 in under two years. And you know what, I will be getting another when this one gives up.
Great comment!
I am interested to buy this machine. But I don`t know on which I should go , Metallic, white or Magenta. I would like to make t-shirts and to print on transparent vinyl and to make stickers as well. Any recommandation?
I was planning to make a video about this actually lot of people ask. Maybe ill do today
@@DaPrintHouse Hello, happy you replied so fast. It would be really nice to make a video about that. Metallic vs White vs Magenta. Thank you.
@@trustgaming_shorts no problem at all. Btw I did just upload a video i made this morning you may find helpful as well. It should be done processing soon. I do go over some things about the diferent versions.
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Any idea or opinion on what type of clear media is best to print in with this machine?
Does Roland bn20a print grainy? My file is 300dpi
So I currently am using vinyl with my cricut. I love it. However, layering is a pain and I have ppl wanting me to do full prints and pictures on shirts…I want to get into full prints. I do not want to do sublimation bc I use cotton shirts. I only sell 10-20 shirts a week if that at the moment. My budget is not huge for equipment, however I know for sure I do not want to outsource. Can you suggest if I should dtf, eco solvent, the Roland bn20a, or is there something that would be more geared to pair with my cricut to obtain that quality of the vinyl but full print?….or if you have something else in mind?
Dtf is a good option if bigger orders and u have time. But your flexability goes out the window. Having the machine in front of you allows for instant ordering of custom designs no waiting for shipping transfers from outsourcing and if u buy a dtf printer there is a lot of maintenance hope this helps.
@@DaPrintHouse thank you. Your videos are extremely truthful and helpful. I think after looking at the maintenance on Dtf , I may opt for the Roland bn20a as you discussed in the video. 🙂 thank you!
How much cost to replace the head ?
hi, do you recommend the BN20-A?
I do for sure.
@@DaPrintHouse thank you
Hi. Nice video. I am beginner and want to start decals and apperal printing. Which printer should I buy. Your suggestion will be the big help for me as a beginner. Thank you
if you are looking to do more of label industry type sticker for product labeling there are plenty printer options. i can only really offer my experience but i really think the epson c6500 was the best for the budget for label products, and more commercially setup. if you want to get into more of outside signage you can outsource till you gain business. as far as shirts TBH i would outsource transfers to get started you save time and money if you use a dtf or any good transfer company to supply your images. gain enough business then look into a machine. this is how i would do it if i was doing it again, hope it helps
For aparel bn 20 for sure. Print and cut on demand for all labels under 20 inches bn 20 again for sure
@@leonardo29098 i concur
How are you connected to the BN20 looks like you have a usb connection to a network , what is it
Ye just a long usb with a repeater built in
I just got my BN20 but it hasn’t passed the print and cut. Any recommendations? I’ve taken the blade in and out but it won’t cut.
been following you for a while.....i have two Etsy shops with more than 1,000 sales each all with a pigment ink canon and self adhesive sheets i kno its not the best quality but i stacked some money and have 6k for a upgrade been thinking about going eco solvent bn-20 or the new crase uvdtf but hear a lot of headaches with uvdtf my question is if you were in my shoes what would you pick up too improve quality ?
its hard to give advice for big decisions like that without really knowing your goals and direction. dtf is pretty hor right now but im more into printing for stickers or banners myself, not much making shirts for sale these days
@@DaPrintHouse thank you for the reply i went bn20 already on my 2 roll of 150ft media only problem i get is heavy yellow stickers cause heavy drops of ink streak on top of the laminate on the cut pass
Where do you buy vinyl in 20 inch lengths?
Im going to go live today and talk about media etc
Using Velxi master plus. Signwharehouse program. Can u print from that program with crop marks and cut on a graphtec plotter. God how I wish HP made a desktop latex primer.
Not familiar with that program but lookup cuttingmaster plugin and see if it has support for your cutter, otherwise not sure that program has reg mark feature.
@@DaPrintHouse Basically it's flexi sign. Went into the setting's it has a driver for the Roland Bn20. Gonna get in touch with Roland to make sure. I'm so familiar with the that program. I just prefer to work in it. I use it for sublimation, signs and screen printing.
@@Dtag1971 oh im sorry thought was something else. With flexi production manager u would need to purchase the package to work with diferent cutters that use regustration reader or barcode system. See if cutting master supports your cutter model.
Question on nesting a job print to cut: I'm having an issue with the black smearing on the last print and then it will go to the first cut. Black from the last print smears on the next white vinyl for the next nesting job.
ok so you are saying it smears from the cutting knife blade holder as it goes over contour cutting? what is your pressure set for on contour cutting? also you can set a timer between prints and cuts if u need more dry time, depending on some settings. it can have more ink in spots then others.
Sorry.....let's say I print 6 images 8.5"x 11" and nested 2 rows of 3 long....the last of the printed nested job (print 5 and 6) are smearing on unused vinyl because it prints out the nested job first and then cuts but the ink is not dry enough for the end print of the nested job....hopefully I explained it better. Thanks 😊.
@@gcogs7865 ye just a tad confused. so you are saying it cuts the most recent print first and smears while cutting those instead of cutting the 1st prints first? hope i didn't confuse it more lol
@@DaPrintHouse Almost....it prints the entire nested job first. Then it reminds the to cut at the first print...everything it suppose to do is correct (print and then cut) but the last image on that nested job is smearing because it reminds (which it is suppose to do) but rubs against the new vinyl because the vinyl spooler doesn't reverse and the film touches
@@gcogs7865 lol oh i see, so it prints like it supposed to. then when in rewinds the printed media back through the back end rubs on the roll. when you watch it can u see why it just doesn't pass roll ? what if you add some slack to roll when its almost done printing that way it rewinds it should just push over the unused roll
Thank you for your video on this! I am seeking some direction with printers like this. I’m in the market to buy a white toner printer or a BN-20. I am an illustrator and I draw peoples cars for commissions. I take those illustrations and make die cut stickers and sell those on Etsy. Not a huge volume of stickers…but looking to grow.. also looking to print on clear vinyl hence the white toner interest. I would use it daily maybe ever other day possibly.
So…is the bn-20 a good option for me? My only concern here is that you can’t die cut with the bn-20, only kiss cut. I want to fill cut out ehe sticker. Would a white toner printer work better for me to make stickers and shirts heat transfers?
I appreciate your time and thoughts!
Thx for watching! Im not the biggest fan of white toner. Ok for small prints like for hats or shirt pockets. I think the machines are so overpriced. The bn20 with white would be good for you def keep up with maintenance and use white every day to keep it flowing
Thanks 👍
No problem 👍
Where to purchase the printer?
Hi can you suggest about ink consumption, how many rolls of paper it can last before running out any color?
Very hard to answer tbh. All depends on how much work flow u have
What is your other printer? Latex
ye hp latex 115
Do you know if it cuts cardstock paper?
good question, i don't see an issue using it but i haven't tried any myself.
I have do much question Ty for this I don’t want to dump over 5k without hesitation. Where do you recommend I buy my machines for tshirt printing and sticker decal making thank you
Totally understand, if u have questions ask away!
There several sellers. I would look for any package incentives or discounts
Well said sir!
Literally just had this pop up in recommended as I've been looking at entry level laminated sticker printing.. the BN-20 caters for exactly what you spoke of; limited space and needing something compact.. the speed is a little irrelevant so long as the maintenance is down and quality is optimal. £3-5k is a little outside my budget for now - do you think there's any inkjet printer/vinyl cutter setups worth trying on a much lower budget or just save for one of them and don't bother until that point?
I'm weighing up pros and cons of getting my own or to find a local print company to do the jobs for me in batch.. but you've put some good points up so far.
i think is a great machine for people to start
right on!
Hello! Thank you for this video! I'm currently using just a Canon printer and a silhouette cutter, but I really wanna up my business and I was looking for hardware that would do it. Will this print out weatherproof decals on its own or will they need be laminated?
it will last some what but o n vehicles not long
It doesn't print slow in my opinion. I printed six 3inch tall stickers in 3 minutes. and 1 minute to cut the stickers out. Idk why people think thats slow. If you print and cut 100 stickers than yea, its gonna take a while. big projects equal longer print time.
I dont disagree, these are people who maybe work on large format high end systems. But i enjoy this macbine 100%
What kind of stand would you recommend for the BN-20? Should I purchase the Roland stand for $300? Or could I get away with another heavy-duty machine?
I use a $100 rubbermaid rolling cart works perfect and can move around easy to get to back
@@DaPrintHouse Thank you for the reply and recommendation. I will look into a Rubbermaid rolling stand.
@@kandjdesignz1121 some cheaper comparable ones on amazon
I seen people say that you have to keep running it and it waste a lot of ink is this true?
not the bn20 so much, it does run self cleanings but it really isn't bad
Hello I'm new to your channel. I have a question for the bn20. I herd about white color clogging issues. Is it bad for the machine if your not using it every day? Also want to start making vehicle decals for windows and on the body of vehicle. I'm confused on what type or bundle do you buy cmyk or with the white ink and what best to use for materials clear or white vinyl? I know there's a lot of questions but if you don't respond I understand. If somebody can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. Thx
I would say the white would have to be used frequently because you want it moving in and out through head and the lines such as the capping station and lines to waste box. Otherwise for regular sign and aito printing u print on white media mostly for it. So if u dont have much interest printing on clear media like static cling or clear media go for the cmyk bn20-A rather then the bn20 with 5 inks. Hope this helps and goodlucm
@@DaPrintHouse thank you sir. Much appreciated 😁👍
Thank you soo much.
I'm looking to make my own vinyl decals of my own rc logos.
But not start a decal business.
So I want to print and cut my logo on clear vinyl with color.
So what I am looking for is a one all machine printer and cutter.
But do strong enough decal for rc racing and climate change.
This is one I am researching.
Also I see you race also.
Thank you soo much for the info and vid.
What do you recommend for me?
Can you point me in right direction.
Jason
RcVitals
i remembers the ribbon printers
my memory is kicking in lol there was a printer called ALPS i think and would use the same ribbon tech and we could print on vinyl with it, i wanna say somewhere around 2000 when i had it and i felt on top of the world being able to print on vinyl lol but was small
Love this thank you
How many 1.5"x1.5" sticker comfortably fit in a 1 foot section?
on a 20" roll
Debating about getting the A version, but im not sure if I can justify putting down the money, although I know getting stickers made cost a lot of money.
If u can organize some pre sales and see if u can generate interest in decals or labels it might seem better
@@DaPrintHouse yea ill have to check that out, besides the roland what programs do you need?
@@Negative.headspace on a budget i really like afinity products very cheap and easy to setup.withots tutorials online. Afinity designer works much like illustrator and will also work with illustrator and photoshop files. Otherwise versa works is free but very limited
@@DaPrintHouse i think my friend has illustrator, I was even talking to him about teaming up because he wants to make some extra cash, I guess the last question I have is, I have a vinyl cutter, does this machine print on the same vinyl or would I have to get a new material?
@@Negative.headspace it can print on various vinyls i have printed on generic adhesive vinyl i actually printed on some oracal 651 and made a video. I have to get that video up. But good to test medias
Hey I have small buisness of print on clothing, whats better bn20 or bn20-a
?
Im writing now before Im go to buy.
Thank you
it all comes down to if you need to print with white ink. if just no white needed i would do bn20-A Goodluck in your business
@@DaPrintHouse until now I used flex of siser.
I really dont know if I will need white or not...
I do t shirt, shorts, caps, clothes.
Also I saw pepole complain about the speed, and I know that Roland have better machines like sp300i or sg3-300.
Actually I dont wanna put a lot of money on machine that work slow...
What your opinion?
@@aharonsarshalom1993 white meaning printing on clear media most dont. I would start with bn20 has decent resale value if u need to upgrade. Goodluck
@@DaPrintHouse thank you🙃
I’ve been in and out and back in sign shops since I was 18…im 32 now. I’m ready to take the next step and buy a machine for home. The BN-20 is what I want but the price is a bit steep. Any suggestions on starting up a business with little capitol? I wrap vehicles and pell n clean mainly… but I want to do more designing on my own.
hi, for wrapping bn20 wont be much help other then doing smaller ehicle graphics. or small vehicles with a bunch of prints, but im sure you know this. if i were to buy again i would go with the bn20A for a print and cut machine $5500 is pretty good pricing, and the printing is phenomenal
Aloha, will this cut reflective vinyl without the need to print? I need to get a new cutter and thought a print cut system would be cool. Would rather make my own than order printed media and ship to Hawaii.
Also, does the printer do well in humid regions?
Mahalo!
it will cut reflective. i tried with white 7 blue, " ( not the high intensity reflective though )
@@DaPrintHouse mahalo!
this guy is talking man i feel it absolute right ///
I would take a Mimaki over a Mutoh or Roland any day
I have had every large format printer under the sun and can say
Hands down Mimaki is the fastest and best printer out there
Whether it's UV, ECO Sol, Roll or Flatbed...........Mimaki for the win
Roland loss leader that is designed to break once the warranty runs/paid off the finance, then you buy something bigger.
bit harsh???
my machine is a 2014 model still strong
@@DaPrintHouse I bought a 2015 with a clogged head (actually turned out to be utterly delaminated) ...I actually only need 2 channels running for it to be viable...but anyways, now wont start as its saying room temp is -120c..
Im starting to hate them.
Hi are you in Canada or the states ?
in the US Chicago
i been wanting this printer forever but even used is so expensive so im just stuck with my little epsons
The used market has dropped significantly since the new release, if u can get a good working machine for $3k jump on it
@@DaPrintHouse should i get a used sp300v? I see one for 2000 CAD vs bn20. Its twice as fast and uses same ink. Im not sure which one to get
@dandee28 not bad machine but older. Lower print resolution as well. If yur doing banners or low res stuff that would work ok
@DaPrintHouse I found a bn20 used but it has a yellow overspray mist only for yellow prints. Its not too bad. He said it doesnt affect any print quality. The guy is selling it for 1500 should i take it. He upgraded to a large printer
I'm luck I find on Facebook Market a printer for $500 with clogs heads , I clean with cleaning solution and go back to working, this machine come with DX7 epson Printhead is easy maintenance
Nice job! It's a great machine!
I want one for $899
That $2100 print head replacement is enough for me to say no thanks. The fact that they wont allow customers to replace those parts themselves still boggles my mind. And how is it $2100 when the HP latex print head is $125?
exactly it annoys me some companies do this, they factor in parts as part of the profits. $2100 for a printhead on a printer that is now $5000 thats almost unbelievable
@@DaPrintHouse so you are basically buying a new printer every year if you use it a lot.
@@bhutch216 the thing is roland machines are pretty durable to last unlike some other ecosol brands, but its nothing new in the industry for ecosol machines to not have user replaceable print heads. but still they are very durable, and im not sure of specifics and i don't have full details. but the printhead on BN20 is not a typical epson printhead. cant remember off hand. either way there are people running the same bn20 since they came out. if i were to ever buy a large ecosol it would be a roland for sure, but i really like my latex, with proper profile and color knowledge you can still achieve great color output on latex
@@DaPrintHouse I mean price wise. If you buy a $5000 printer and have to pay $2100 every time to replace that print head, your spending 84% of the original price every two replacements.
Dam thats expensive, and how long a printer head last?