There's that real sweet spot - win or lose - where you get that lovely smooth attack-parry-riposte-parry-counterriposte. Doesn't happen often but when it does it's better than sex.
I like that Polish Saber uses passing footwork. I find the non traversing moves of other saber fencing don't work as naturally with the human body. Also if you do simulated skirmishes or infantry lines you'll find very quickly passing footwork is superior.
+haffoc Just gotta get some gear and find a club or gym to start training at. In fact, if you find a good club for sport fencing, that might do well too. I'm well aware of the disparity between sport fencing and historical, but my club emphasized traditional techniques when we do sabre and it looks more like this than it does the flicky-flicky-slap style of competitive fencing. Weapons are too light, but weight training can help with that. If you find a sport fencing club, just make sure they're good and serious.
Have you gotten a chance to start? I would very much recommend historical fencing to anyone, it's fantastic for stress relief, confidence building, and exercise. And there's hundreds of different historical combat styles to choose from across the world, so that's great, too
Dear All, A few points to add, The Szablja was a sword for the horseman, used as a third possibly fourth weapon. First, the recurve bow, second/ third the lance or the pallos and finally the szablja (saber). I would think that on foot fighting was less prefered for Magyars, Poles, Avars, Cumans, Tatars etc hence the sabre was for last resort fights where the curve was used for slicing as apposed to blow/ stabbing sword fights. If you research baranta it uses close combat possibly with a sword. I cant imagine the Sabre being effective with an arm length standoff, however at close (judo type) fights, It would have been unstoppable compared to heavy European knights and infantry. Thoughts?
It's certainly not ideally suited for fighting from horse, that's for sure. The Pallos (not sure about English spelling) was much longer and heavier, essentially a fallback lance. Sabre, in the Polish culture, was a symbol of nobility, there is even a saying 'do not leave a bed without your sabre'. Large part of fencing school was intended for settling matters of honor (and generally fights among nobles), where you didn't necessarily want to kill your opponent, but give him a good beating. It's one of the explanations I've been given, at least, and it seems plausible, concerning the following. This doesn't mean however that it's like a 'sporting'/'safe' weapon. If you compare it to the rapier (I can only assume this is what you had in mind, as it was the sword of choice for self defence among western nobility, filling the same niche), there are serious pros and cons for both. Essentially stabbing weapons are more likely to result in fatal wounds with the medicine of the day, but less likely to actually disable the opponent in that split-second, running a larger risk of double hits, and in civilian context you are not concerned as much with killing the opponent as in sta6ing unhurt. The curve has also other use than simply enhancing the cutting ability - there are multiple unique techniques designed to go around the parry, especially an effective, minimal one of experienced rapier fencers. That said, my money is probably still on the rapier in a one on one. In a melee it's less clear, as the sabre has the better defensive potential.
@@polymorphesquirrel ok. The sabre was a steppe weapon. Our Polish brothers call it a type of szabla, the Hungarian-Polish (węgiersko-polska), was popularized among the szlachta during the reign of the Transylvanian-Hungarian King of Poland Stefan Batory in the late 16th century. However it was a much older weapon, for use from a horse to cut down foot enemies who ran on foot, this was highly looked down on by Magyar-Hun-Kun-Jasz horseman. The blade was intended to be held out and E=mc2 would do the damage. The rapier was for stabbing so was the broad sword, though both almost useless against a Sablja on horseback after the recurve bow, pallos and Hungarian shield : en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_shield
Ja niestety nie mam możliwości nauki szermierki szablą ponieważ w mojej okolicy nie ma takich klubów a najbliższy jest 1.30 godziny od mojego miejsca zamieszkania ale i tak super chociaż popatrzeć jak inni trenują 👍🏻🙂
@Rafał Kalus czy nie warto byłoby wrzucić ten film też na kanał Akademii? Tam macie dużo więcej subskrybcji, wasze filmy o manuskrypcie Fiore biją rekordy popularności, to video też by się ludziom spodobało - a mogłoby dzięki temu dotrzeć do szerszej publiczności.
Sport.sport. and protectors. Good phyzic of the fighterst, but not the fencing. What shall they do without masks? No-no, very good fighters!! Dynamical and fast!
Jaskółka ładnie brzmi ale migotanie światła psuje efekt. A i tak pytanie +Rafał Kalus Nie wiem czy odpiszesz ale zadam to pytanie - ile wynosi krzywizna waszych szabel do walki? 50 czy 80mm ?
Nie mogę zrozumieć jednej rzeczy w obecnej technice fechtunku szablą- czemu 90% akcji opiera się na dwóch uderzeniach i przerwie. Przecież podczas walki takie zachowanie to byłoby proszenie się o atak przeciwnika. Gdy przeciwnik atakuje, to kontrują, następnie atak, a później patrzą się na siebie.
Sorry for the late reply, I wanted to get some work in with it first. I've only had it shortly, so I can't speak to durability. That being said, it's light as a feather and a pleasure to work with, has a decent amount of flex for thrusting, and the basket is spacious enough to admit some fairly heavy duty hand protection. All in all, I'd definitely say it's worth it.
I have a feeling that non of these strikes can do any harm to the opponent, it will be the same wound like if you accidentally cut yourself with a knife while cooking. It doesnt make any sense, you can broke opponent's defence but do no harm, right?
I'm not an expert, but that's what sabres are for. Still very effective, rapiers started to faze sabers out in west, but we (and most eastern cultures) did hold on to sabers much longer cause they were perfect for cavalry, where rapiers were pretty useless. And as might not look to scarry it is hard to fight with 10 cuts, and cut off limbs :) But please be gentle that's just simple man's observation 😀
@@jedrekfurman3040 I wasnot talking about saber itself, only about those guys, they learn how to parry\block and break each other defence but not how to cut properly, thats why i said that such trainings make no sense. BTW saber can cut limb or head, most of sabers have same weight as 1h swords.
@@user-ne3ss9mk3k and this is trick. When you thinks to cut properly, it mostly visible to your opponent, who just waits for it in order to counter attack
@@ziborgbe Yeah i know, just want to mention that skill to cut properly and skill to break opponents defence while defending urself are equally important
Waćpan Raptos słowa tej piosenki Stana Borysa to jakiś stek farmazonów (chyba tylko ‚freemasons’ mogą je polubić :) Żaden polski szlachcic nie śpiewałby o tym że „katedra go złowiła” i będzie skazany na „gniazda nie zaznanie” czy „przeklinanie piękna” (tj. potępienie)
aha, same old problem, training with light, flexible sabres make people work with wrists and not with arms and body, real cutting and halving people requires other type of work. indeed.
2:11 I've been told repeatedly in HEMA that spinning will get a sword point in your back, but that evasion was perfect.
There's that real sweet spot - win or lose - where you get that lovely smooth attack-parry-riposte-parry-counterriposte. Doesn't happen often but when it does it's better than sex.
We will kill sex) Fencing forever!
Ребят, моё уважение. Вот это просто нечто. Из братской России.
Every weapon sings a unique song and this fantastic artistry and grace right here is the reason Sabre sings to my heart the loudest. Bravo.
I like that Polish Saber uses passing footwork. I find the non traversing moves of other saber fencing don't work as naturally with the human body. Also if you do simulated skirmishes or infantry lines you'll find very quickly passing footwork is superior.
If you are in lines, wouldn't linear footwork make more sense?
I hope there are more videos coming, they're very awesome! The music, too
That is some quality material! Very nice slow-mo parts. Konkretny trening, Panowie!
1:36 ale zgrabne cięcie!
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the work you guys do is really impressive.
+haffoc
Just gotta get some gear and find a club or gym to start training at. In fact, if you find a good club for sport fencing, that might do well too. I'm well aware of the disparity between sport fencing and historical, but my club emphasized traditional techniques when we do sabre and it looks more like this than it does the flicky-flicky-slap style of competitive fencing. Weapons are too light, but weight training can help with that. If you find a sport fencing club, just make sure they're good and serious.
Rewelacja !!!
that look like serious fun and an amazing way to lose weight I want to do it right now
Have you gotten a chance to start? I would very much recommend historical fencing to anyone, it's fantastic for stress relief, confidence building, and exercise.
And there's hundreds of different historical combat styles to choose from across the world, so that's great, too
Очень годный клип, ребята!
Dear All,
A few points to add, The Szablja was a sword for the horseman, used as a third possibly fourth weapon.
First, the recurve bow, second/ third the lance or the pallos and finally the szablja (saber).
I would think that on foot fighting was less prefered for Magyars, Poles, Avars, Cumans, Tatars etc hence the sabre was for last resort fights where the curve was used for slicing as apposed to blow/ stabbing sword fights. If you research baranta it uses close combat possibly with a sword. I cant imagine the Sabre being effective with an arm length standoff, however at close (judo type) fights, It would have been unstoppable compared to heavy European knights and infantry. Thoughts?
It's certainly not ideally suited for fighting from horse, that's for sure. The Pallos (not sure about English spelling) was much longer and heavier, essentially a fallback lance.
Sabre, in the Polish culture, was a symbol of nobility, there is even a saying 'do not leave a bed without your sabre'. Large part of fencing school was intended for settling matters of honor (and generally fights among nobles), where you didn't necessarily want to kill your opponent, but give him a good beating. It's one of the explanations I've been given, at least, and it seems plausible, concerning the following. This doesn't mean however that it's like a 'sporting'/'safe' weapon. If you compare it to the rapier (I can only assume this is what you had in mind, as it was the sword of choice for self defence among western nobility, filling the same niche), there are serious pros and cons for both. Essentially stabbing weapons are more likely to result in fatal wounds with the medicine of the day, but less likely to actually disable the opponent in that split-second, running a larger risk of double hits, and in civilian context you are not concerned as much with killing the opponent as in sta6ing unhurt. The curve has also other use than simply enhancing the cutting ability - there are multiple unique techniques designed to go around the parry, especially an effective, minimal one of experienced rapier fencers.
That said, my money is probably still on the rapier in a one on one. In a melee it's less clear, as the sabre has the better defensive potential.
@@polymorphesquirrel ok. The sabre was a steppe weapon. Our Polish brothers call it a type of szabla, the Hungarian-Polish (węgiersko-polska), was popularized among the szlachta during the reign of the Transylvanian-Hungarian King of Poland Stefan Batory in the late 16th century.
However it was a much older weapon, for use from a horse to cut down foot enemies who ran on foot, this was highly looked down on by Magyar-Hun-Kun-Jasz horseman. The blade was intended to be held out and E=mc2 would do the damage.
The rapier was for stabbing so was the broad sword, though both almost useless against a Sablja on horseback after the recurve bow, pallos and Hungarian shield : en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_shield
Rafal you are the best warrior
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I wander where the word szabla originates from. The word for sabre in Hungarian is very similar: szablya.
No, no, bardzo ładne. Polska szabla, polski Duch!
Czy tylko mi to przypomina trochę gorsze walki ze star wars?
3:05 Look at the blade
молодцы, так держать. +
Ja niestety nie mam możliwości nauki szermierki szablą ponieważ w mojej okolicy nie ma takich klubów a najbliższy jest 1.30 godziny od mojego miejsca zamieszkania ale i tak super chociaż popatrzeć jak inni trenują 👍🏻🙂
Отличный спорт! Браво!
Ale zabawa!
I like this!!!
Boa técnica, excelente video
A skip, and hop, and a jump 02:37 Very cool :)
Гарна робота. Привіт з України.
молодцы. +
@Rafał Kalus czy nie warto byłoby wrzucić ten film też na kanał Akademii? Tam macie dużo więcej subskrybcji, wasze filmy o manuskrypcie Fiore biją rekordy popularności, to video też by się ludziom spodobało - a mogłoby dzięki temu dotrzeć do szerszej publiczności.
Jestem pszczelarzem i Wam powiem,ze lepiej chyba spotkać rój wsiekłych pszczół chyba :)
Sport.sport. and protectors. Good phyzic of the fighterst, but not the fencing. What shall they do without masks?
No-no, very good fighters!! Dynamical and fast!
Walka taka że aż iskry lecą.
Боксерский челнок ногами в историческом сабельном фехтовании. Наверное во времена Речи Посполитой бойцы по иному защищали себя в движении
Jaskółka ładnie brzmi ale migotanie światła psuje efekt. A i tak pytanie
+Rafał Kalus
Nie wiem czy odpiszesz ale zadam to pytanie - ile wynosi krzywizna waszych szabel do walki? 50 czy 80mm ?
Co to są za szable? Ktoś może podać nazwy?
Nie mogę zrozumieć jednej rzeczy w obecnej technice fechtunku szablą- czemu 90% akcji opiera się na dwóch uderzeniach i przerwie. Przecież podczas walki takie zachowanie to byłoby proszenie się o atak przeciwnika. Gdy przeciwnik atakuje, to kontrują, następnie atak, a później patrzą się na siebie.
Those who jump during a lunge have no control, In a real fight you'd be taking yourself off balance.
It's a risky move, but it puts much more power in the cut with an intention of folding the parrying blade and hitting the opponent anyway.
If I may ask, what sabre simulators do you use?
VelmiVelkiZrut been looking for some myself
Bloss.pl has the pre-WWII Polish military issue saber, I've made do with that so far, but the basket interferes with some of the hand motions.
VelmiVelkiZrut thanks for the tip. Would you recommend?
Sorry for the late reply, I wanted to get some work in with it first. I've only had it shortly, so I can't speak to durability. That being said, it's light as a feather and a pleasure to work with, has a decent amount of flex for thrusting, and the basket is spacious enough to admit some fairly heavy duty hand protection. All in all, I'd definitely say it's worth it.
Ładne wymiany Panowie , ciekawe jak by wyglądała walka bez ochraniaczy :) myślę że nie było by tyle spontanicznych ataków.
Soundtrack ... please 💖🐱
ruclips.net/video/qdCmSt4798g/видео.html
Would you wait ser, for this deluge to subside
Makes no difference to me
Good
ТА , ДА!
kurwa :o
Любо хлопцы!
🗡️👀
The music throws me off
No that's the best music ever
I have a feeling that non of these strikes can do any harm to the opponent, it will be the same wound like if you accidentally cut yourself with a knife while cooking. It doesnt make any sense, you can broke opponent's defence but do no harm, right?
I'm not an expert, but that's what sabres are for. Still very effective, rapiers started to faze sabers out in west, but we (and most eastern cultures) did hold on to sabers much longer cause they were perfect for cavalry, where rapiers were pretty useless. And as might not look to scarry it is hard to fight with 10 cuts, and cut off limbs :) But please be gentle that's just simple man's observation 😀
@@jedrekfurman3040 I wasnot talking about saber itself, only about those guys, they learn how to parry\block and break each other defence but not how to cut properly, thats why i said that such trainings make no sense. BTW saber can cut limb or head, most of sabers have same weight as 1h swords.
@@user-ne3ss9mk3k and this is trick. When you thinks to cut properly, it mostly visible to your opponent, who just waits for it in order to counter attack
@@ziborgbe Yeah i know, just want to mention that skill to cut properly and skill to break opponents defence while defending urself are equally important
Szabla szablą, ale Antek mówi, żeś Waść wielce biegły w rapierze.
Jak sie nazywa ta piosenka a fajny film
cover "Jaskółki" ruclips.net/video/qdCmSt4798g/видео.html
z tego filmu ruclips.net/video/uKbuFYd468w/видео.html
Waćpan Raptos słowa tej piosenki Stana Borysa to jakiś stek farmazonów (chyba tylko ‚freemasons’ mogą je polubić :) Żaden polski szlachcic nie śpiewałby o tym że „katedra go złowiła” i będzie skazany na „gniazda nie zaznanie” czy „przeklinanie piękna” (tj. potępienie)
Nie było lepszych szermierzy niż pan polske! Cóż, może Ukraińcy? :)
Dobry filmik, brawo a najstarszy traktat o fechtunku/szermierce szablą znajdziecie tu : ruclips.net/video/S8SauT2DfuY/видео.html
Excellent fencing. Do not listen to any of these stupid experts.
aha, same old problem, training with light, flexible sabres make people work with wrists and not with arms and body, real cutting and halving people requires other type of work. indeed.
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выкент нахрен бойцов польских давайте италия испания это реальные воины
из России реальные воины на диванах в комментах ;)
I like this!!!