Should Ronaldo LEAVE Manchester United? 😳 | Souness & Jordan Debate!
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- Manchester United lost at home to Brighton yesterday in their first Premier League match managed by Erik ten Hag. talkSPORT's Graeme Souness, Simon Jordan & Jim White discuss!
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Y'all still talking about Ronaldo still?? Didn't y'all see what Maguire, Fred & Scott did in the game yesterday?? How does these players start for a club like man utd. Its beyond me!
Lmao these waste man's will still be waffling about the 🐐. Can't stand Simon that's why I dnt watch talks port. souness had some valid points. Anyone still talking about him needs to get a life and get out more. Wev had major problems before he came and will still remain after he gone and while the glazers are owners. Maguire leaving would be the transfer of the summer been wanting him out since he came. Mctominay and Fred dnt get me started.
This is the open question, but the problem is CR7. It looks like the only one purpose of United and it’s media is to decry CR7.
Why do players just become useless once they join Manchester United? Look at Wellbeck whom was written off by Manchester United long time ago being the one who game them hard time. That tells you the problem isn't those players but the club has a problem. If those Manchester United players were playing for another team they would be playing much better than they're today.
@@tomodul2619 Fred is a beast for Brazil and Maguires much much better for England.
@@irieite9666
That's why I am wondering why these players are underperforming when playing for United and better with their national teams. They even play better once they are sold to other clubs.
Souness was the first person I’ve heard to challenge Simon intellectually and have a valid point. Simon normally is the only one who talks sense, but souness put his points across wonderfully here 🙂
Simon is just used to being the least stupid person on the panel. Hopefully this will nudge him to smarten up.
Souness intellectual 🤣🤣🤣
Really good to hear proper football chat from Souness, usually too many clowns on
Wish I could tag Agbonlahor
@@FaxanaduJohn Yup, she just shouts to get her nonsensical points across. She doesn't know anything about football, obviously plenty about cake though.
@@JMH997 ..and Trevor “due diligence” Sinclair and Martin Keown🙈😂
@@JMH997 🤣
@@FaxanaduJohn 😂
Souness is the best signing of the summer !
Fantastic signing for talksport!
Sourness
It’s great having Souness on here. Really elevates this show. Great Chemistry between them all.
Didn't realise he was such a CR7 fanboy. No need for it.
@thefleece 2 CR7 isn't even the greatest Ronaldo.
Imagine if Graham and Simon kissed
Great show with Souness, equal to Simon
@@Aman1012 he is bar far the greatest
It’s safe to say TalkSport have won the Transfer window with Graeme. What a fabulous 3 they have there with Simon and Graeme playing in the wings and Jim in the middle 😀
Simons pace is immense
Absolutely spot on Kev - I’m Celtic through and through but I absolutely love top drawer football which EPL is.
Souness being added to Whyte n Jordan is absolute gold
Well done talksport 👏🏼
@@muz7891 is this a permanent thing?
Jim just gets told what to say in his ear and he repeats it out loud. You could replace jim with an iPhone
@@derrickbuckley2503 🤣🤣🤣well said, cant stand the man
I think Graham makes a really valid point. Rather than pull apart and concentrate on the negatives, which seems to be going on across the board. Look at the positives that one of the greatest players of all time, who’s in fantastic shape at 37, and think of how you can utilise it for the benefit of all concerned. If he can’t be the ideal role model for all those youngsters, no one can.
I mean he’s clearly not the ideal role model, by virtue of the way he has acted this summer
To call him an ideal role model isn't the case. He's incredibly professional in the sense of how he trains and his desire to be a winner; but an exemplary professional also puts the team before his own needs, which he obviously doesn't. The fact he wants to leave at short notice shows he couldn't care less about the club. It was the same story with Juventus last season. Leaving the stadium early also isn't what a role model would do. Regardless of him being one of the greatest ever, a player who doesn't want to be there isn't someone you need in the dressing room.
@@Gfresh844 I think you make a fair point, although I do think the media drive this for obvious reasons. I’ve also seen some of the great leadership and team qualities he portrays, that don’t even get a mention. I’ve also heard some ex professionals talk and defend him with regards to his asking to leave. Souness defended Ronaldo when he explained that the previous manager wanted to get rid of him, so what do you expect him to do. If he’s not getting the backing, he remained professional last year, but with everything that’s going, he’d want some support and guarantees. Especially at 37, he’s not got the time to be messed about at his age.
Spot on 👌🏼💯
@@Gfresh844 Notice how you aren’t in the dressing room to know what exactly goes to say he isn’t an exemplary role model lol
As a united fan I like to say Graeme is on of the best pundits out there, even though his loyalty is to Liverpool, he will always give his honest opinion, great professional.
And he will probably blame Paul pogba for the Brighton defeat also.
It was pogba's fault he kept United from improving for years and now they are paying for it
@@jonathanlewis1981 when Moyes and Lvg failed miserabley! That also , was pogba's fault.
Plus how the Glazers run the club, that's on pogba?
It's a shame his opinion is usually nonsense. It's not that he's not honest, it's that he has no substance and no real relevance to the modern game, whether it's from a tactical perspective, or a business perspective.
True, hard to believe he was a psycho on the field, so mellow and understanding now
Wow Graham spoke so much sense here! Don’t think anyone has been able to silence Simon like that.
Except maybe Frank macavennie. Frank macavennie haha that's a good wan pat. Fantastic Ye canny beat it.
Souness was spot on...level headed, unbiased analysis. Is he gonna be a regular pundit on talkSPORT ? I hope so. He can replace Gabby , Keown and a few of the other clowns who have been stealing a living.
Every Monday on the Jim white show. 🎉🎊
I find Gabby refreshing i know i sleep well when he speaks
Trevor Sinclair please
🤣😂😂😂🤣 “stealing a living” damn 🥷🏿
He is usually on Irish tv for champions league matches and he is much loved !!
Souness is an absolute legend !! Knows the game inside out and says it as it is!! Well done Talk Sport for giving him a platform 👏
Souness is a tool
@@tweedlio2763 that's your opinion !! But one thing is certain 🤔 he's done / achieved more in the game than you ever will
United signing Rabiot and putting bids in for Arnautovic. 😆😆😆
Levels 💯
Serious from united 😂
“We’re going places.” Ole 😂
Arnautovic 😂😂😂 he's well past it and not even in the same breath as Ronaldo
Graeme was on fire. Absolutely spot on. MU is no longer in a position to attract top tier striker or any player of that quality. Talking of letting Ronaldo go is preposterous. I don't know how some pundits and fans think we have the luxury to demand such a thing.
How are they not in a position to sign big players. They signed ronaldo last year over city. The problem is they won’t spend the money
@@El_terrible1985 nobody wants to go to this fucking joke of a club. Why would any good striker go to MU? So he could play with poor midfield that can’t provide ball to striker, and defense that will let everyone score?
They signed Ronaldo, because at that time they were in good position in PL, they were playing CL, everything was pretty good and there was previous history with the club. That’s how they signed him over MC.
@@El_terrible1985 cuz it was ronaldo and ronaldo grew as player in united do you think itd be same with anyone else
Ronaldo is actually too good for United - as a United fan
He's too s*it for top teams.
@@stnbch3025 You're delusional
@@stocksyere he isn't. He was in Virgil Van dyk and ruben dias pocket
@@madtitan-bringerofgenocide LMFAO, Van Disney? Got rinsed my a championship striker the other day
yet no top teams want him 😂😂😂
Gr8 to hear a pundit speak honest and not refer to stats when asked to explain. Agree or not Graeme souness absolute breath of fresh air
Jordans in good company with Souness...an ex player ( like Roy Keane ) who doesn't hold back and is prepared to say it as it is....great pundit.
He used the weakest stat possible when he said they would've finished 14th without Ronaldo's goals, as if that's how it works. That's like saying if de Gea didn't make any saves then they would've finished bottom. If he didn't score any goals then he would've been replaced with someone would've done.
*great
@@noogate2672 Goals Scored & Final Result the Stats that matter. Running Stats etc dont imo you can run around like headless chicken and your stats look good. You can make 70 passes and none of them are more than 5 yards or pass forward etc etc. I'm a Chelsea Fan and when Chelsea won ch lg some pundit were saying jorghinho for ballon dor as Italy won Euro's....not even in top twenty imo..
Ronaldo will score goals but wont improve the team .
He’s talking shite and most of the shite is 25 years outdated.
Ronaldo doesn't feel unwanted, he's obviously wanted. Ronaldo simply doesn't believe United as a club will match his ambitions, so he wants to leave.
Dude when you bench Ronaldo on the 1st day of the season ... that is a unwanted coming for sure
@@terryfauzifan9459 he missed all of preseason, the guy isn't fit enough to start games.
Dude I don't care if hes on a freaking wheelchair ... he's.gonna start...if I was manager..im not going go against the star who wants to play every game and when he doesn't ...all hell will break lose in the media that will influence the fans
But hey go ahead ... I'm just saying it's a road leading number of Mr potatoes head in the sack
@@DjNaste do you honestly think ronaldo is not fit enough cuz he didnt go to preseason? Have you looked at him
@@okdude8215 Having a muscular body doesn't equate football game fitness!!
United genuinely need to go to the market and spend 350m yesterday. Get rid of 8/9 players and begin. They can do it slowly or just rip off the band aid. Choice is theirs
Agreed, but you can only spend that much of money and move that many players over 4 to 6 transfer windows. The blue print is currently being displayed by Arsenal, you need a good/great manager and a good/great director of football. Then you need time, forget about the result for 2/3 seasons and trust the process. Man U are too proud and believe themselves to be too big a club to invest the time required for a complete rebuild.
No look at Brentford recruitment don't need to spend that kind of money
Only need Roy Keane now & the shows perfect...love Souness...honest man just like Roy...stuff all the other sky pundits..
As a ManU fan I agree with Souness, I remember Simon was adoring Ronaldo a few few weeks ago. Ronaldo isn't the problem, its the Manchester United that is the problem, because they have fallen from the grace and not up to the level of Ronaldo, they lack ambition and they are a shambles all over.
'Well Said, Souness speaks alot of sense'. - We put out a comment a week ago stating CR7 has raised the standards at the Club, so its up to Us to raise Our standards & go beyond! We only got 1 agreement 'That Says It All'!
Wrong
@@bryngefferies7530 Ronaldo is the problem
Not being a Utd fan I hope you keep Ronaldo. Utd will never improve with him there.
@@lloydwaycott8178 yeah u go bring a player frm ur shitty team that's won what he has yeah don't worry Al wait coz I know they ain't no one other than Messi in his league. Adios
So much pressure on ronaldo when it isn’t even ronaldo. It’s the rest of the Man U players. There not on the level he is on and not playing well enough for ronaldo to actually perform at his best. Ronaldo is one man…who can’t take the rest of the teams slack.
Brilliant having Graeme on the show this season.
How did your "pressing" go without him on the pitch, this idea of blaming Ronaldo for style of play when the team isn't good enough is ridiculous
Completely agree. Also, what top drawer striker in the world is a world class ‘presser’ ? Not his job
@@reidheskes7823 Benzema didn't press at all and still won the UCL
@@saqib_999 totally. Lewandowski, Mbappe, Haaland. None of them are pressing. Again. Not their job
The whole ronaldo not pressing agenda is bullshit . I saw halland in his first PL game. Did not press at all. Scored two goals. Motm. No one was complaining. Double standards
Its working out alright.
Well said Graham….my thoughts exactly and anyone else with a football brain knows we need Ronaldo.Rooney is a turnip.
What's Rooney problem with Ronnie really? I think there's a beef there
@@ikuesanola7296 his problem is he wanted to be half what Ronaldo is ...funny enough his younger than Ronaldo
I mean I love Rooney and think he has got the heart of a lion but yeah he's a meathead off the pitch. I think he's got good intention rather than as someone else mentioned that jealousy is the reason. He's not petty. He is just stupid
When a die hard liverpool all time great player is singing his praises for a Manchester United legend you better fucking listen to him. Lot of these Sunday league and Twitter/armchair fans think they really know better. The tactics of the game has changed, everything else in terms of around the dressing room stuff hasn’t - YOU HAVE NO CLUE
You hit the nail on the head
Ronaldo didn't mind and won't mind resting if the team CAN WIN WITHOUT HIM. As it stand United simply can't. So, how is he supposed to feel? Should he be happy to rest and watch the team lose? What's the point of him staying under that rationale?
Souness has been the signing of the season for me.
I love listening to souness he’s a great pundit and I’m lucky enough to remember him as a player and what a player he was
Must agree Ashley. When Liverpool was ruling Europe back in the day, you can have your Dalglish, Hansen etc. Souness was the conductor of the orchestra, and in my eyes is the best player they have ever had
'Well Said, Souness speaks alot of sense'. - We put out a comment a week ago stating CR7 has raised the standards at the Club, so its up to Us to raise Our standards & go beyond! We only got 1 agreement 'That Says It All'!
If Ronaldo goes to a team that creates chances he can easily score 30 goals a season. He is still very very good, problem is his last 2 clubs (juve and man utd) have been on a downer
If he's still very good he doesn't need others to create 20 tap ins and score 4 penalties to get up to 30. He hasn't been very very good for a long time because his overall game has not been that good. World class players are busy trying to play really good football not score 20 tap ins.
@@stnbch3025 imagine CR7 playing for Chelsea or Spurs, how many would he score? United and Juve are not good sides at all, the guy performed miracles for United last season, that side without him wouldn't make top 8 in the EPL
@@oldchiefsmoke820 true
literally everyone wants to find a reason to bring ronaldo down, do you know how insane it is to score 20 goals still as a 37 year old in the best league in the world? I can only remember ronaldo and zlatan doing it. Ronaldo will easily score 30 in man city's team..
The equation is simple with very good team where 10 players there to run for him and create for him 10-12 chances on the plate every game, he can score upto 30 goals where another player playing on his position may score 18 goals. But the big catch is here For Ronaldo to get 30 goals he has to remain in front of goal area and pretty much allowed to sulk the whole game. He cannot, dribble. link up is poor, do not provide the key passes, not track back so team becomes vulnerable and concedes about (15 goals) more. Another player in place of him rotates more and does not have to channel through him another two three player can come in the center and attempts more that means additional 10 , 10 goals + 20 team goals will increase. The same team can operate fluidly. so the net with ronaldo = 30 -15 = +15 goals where as pressing and rotating strikers (18+10+10) = + 38 goals . that is a huge difference of +23 goal difference playing the team with decent strikers vs Pendu and also the midfield , CBs, goalee all require to change for Pendu to score those 30 goals which takes time and team goals does not improve. that was exactly what happed in Juve and Man U ( last season). So for the PR reason and for Pendu fangirls with all the setups for Pendu 30 goals of Pendu vs 18 goals = 12 goals difference was shown and make arguements for him but does not analyse the whole game what he brings and at what costs. that is why no big clubs with footballing projects want Pendu in their team.
Im a messi fan but being ronaldo wins you privilages. One of those is walking out on a friendly at half time. If people remember ronaldinho he would walk in to a match from the club. Lets not even mention gazza/maradonna ect.
I seem to remember in Ronaldo's last years in Madrid and then in Juventus he wasn't demanding to play every game, quite the opposite: he was criticized for only wanting to play big games and not Murcia and Verona and such.
Can't believe a year later, they are still talking about Ronaldo can't press or can't play asmuch football when he already proved he can.. and all the "circus" around Ronaldo, isn't Ronaldo.. its the media. Ronaldo doesn't say or do anything but the media say he does this and that because of this and that.. right now ronaldo is just proving that United squad isn't good enough. And they proved that yesterday against Brighton.
Jim White loving every minute of this, bless his soul.
Mondays are the new Fridays
he loves his shite stirring that jim pmsl
I agree with Simon. Ten Hag wants to build a team for the future, which is why it makes no sense to keep a 37 year old who wants to leave. I've no doubt CR will continue to get his fair share of goals if he stays. However, that comes at the cost of having someone with a huge ego, who could well be a negative influence when he doesn't get his way. The evidence of that was there to be seen just a week ago when he left the ground early after being subbed off. This isn't someone who puts the team before himself. United need to look at the bigger picture and invest in players they feel can take the club forward for years to come.
Utd only looked a threat AFTER Ronaldo was brought on ......shows just how badly we need more players .....😖😫
Great debate - good to see Simon being challenged intelligently for a change. These are going to be must listens.
I'm pretty sure if United had told him he'll play (start) between 24-27 Prem games, every UCL game and with a few cup games when needed I think he would've agreed.
If not, you don't buy him, United had to do what's best for them and Ronaldo what's best for him, simple business.
Yeah he’s already played every UCL game as they aren’t in it
And why would ManU have to do that - eliminate the notion of competition for places?
@@kcetebe8012 No they do that to make it clear to him that they don't plan to play him every game because of his age.
Solksjaer dropped him against Everton early last season. Man Utd got hammered starting a backslide and Ronaldo the next week played 180 minutes for Portugal including a full 90 against Luxembourg in a friendly. He's bigger than Man Utd and that's something that you can't have at your club.
Souness one of the most clever person i see on this channel. Thank you for your words
Best chance he gets is Napoli or Chelsea signing him. Even then he needs to reduce his wage requests per week. 37 on $500k wage doesn’t make sense for any club even short term .
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There's also the commercial side of having a player like CR7 in ur squad
Souness was brilliant here.👏 The perfect foil to Simon's abrasiveness. Make him permanent.
someone finally to put simon in his place huh lol
As a coach, it's hard to see the future, I would do all I can to keep Ronaldo.
Quite like having Souness, Great show!
It's time to go for CR7 quickly before the transfer deadline passes. What a player and career he's had but lets not get it twisted here; he's not going to play for the badge, despite his mentor, Sir Alex, lingering around for his Portuguese son. Perhaps Ronny will put in a few shifts for the next couple of games for the club before the transfer deadline ends, but if he isn't sold by then you can bet we'll see him down tools again and probably disappear altogether. This will sum up another failed season for the red devils because it will be too late to find a prolific goal scoring replacement - not that a world class striker would even join this current Utd squad.
The Man Utd fall from glory continues and nobody has come up with an answer yet. It's sad and you've got to feel sorry for Ten Hag in all of this.
You sell him cr7 who do you have. what about McGuire. Eric cantona would turn up late at training fergy let him off
An unhappy forced to stay Cristiano will provide United more than most of these bunch,a season of football is not something he is not going throw away just because he didn't get the move,he is not that guy and he never will be,I can bet my life on that
@@anandkrishnanajayakumar132 these clowns don't know what they have I mean seriously. Jordan Henderson James milner Andy robo trent Arnold fabino ox Jones all run themselves into the ground including firmino such to accommodate for mo salah. They should do the for cr7 make him captain right now
Graham Souness is a class act , he was a excellent player and excellent manager who knew what he talks about, where as the other gentleman is always argumentative and deliberately bending everyone words and keep going endless arguments
The previous 3 managers failed to win without Ronnie. Ten Hag drops him and loses at home to Brighton. Ronaldo has never been the problem!
Controversial opinion: Fergie was the one who created the toxic environment an Man Utd and still gas influence...
The perfect panel. The Player/Manager, The Owner, and The Journalist. I could listen to Souness, Jordan, and White for hours.
Yes lads, Souness and Jordan are a great combo. Some people slam Souness but he’s undoubtedly one of the best pundits around and he hates pogba, that’s enough for any United fan.
You can’t just take his goals away and say they would’ve finished 14th, another player in his place could’ve scored assisted or tracker back more. Probably wouldn’t have scored as much as ronaldo but he wouldn’t have scored 0
Who would that player be exactly last season?
Martial left, Greenwood went to jail, Cavani is on holiday & Rashford had a mental breakdown, who scores?
@@mrfab4383 there’s so many variables. Ronaldo doesn’t press, that’s also a factor. Utd would not have finished 14th
@@mrfab4383 Football and simple logic aren't your thing.
@@RedDevilSkillz Rashford press? i guess they were pressing and still conceded 2 goals in the 1st half yesterday
You gotta look at the season before and see they scored more goals without ronaldo than with him. To just subtract the goals he scored makes no sense, of course someone would have scored those goals in his place
He wanted the move to Utd, there was no "selling the idea to him" Utd were just happy he wanted to move. Ronnie had all the power hence now he's decided he's off again
Grahams first Monday has gone down amazingly. A nice fresh insight into football politics. I'm a man utd fan but Graham is one of my fav players/manager/pundit etc. The man is a legend
How good is Souness...! Great signing for Talksport
What happened should have been ole sacked straight after the Europa league final. They bottle a league challenge after xmas and were lucky to finish 2nd in the end. They were rubbish. Conte was the man to bring in to sort the team out and clear out the rubbish which there was plenty of
you're assuming that the Glazers are bothered about winning anything. United are a commercial asset that generate 20-25 million income a year for them. As long as the sponsors keep paying,, no problem.
Souness as ever the only football pundit with expert knowledge. Maybe Man Utd should sign him to weed out the chaff from United’s dressing room 👍
Clearly not good enough for the other big teams as none of them want him
But the club even said they spoke with Ronaldo and he was cool with the fact of us getting another striker, the problem is the Glazers not giving us the January budget screwed us
Souness is great doing champions league matches on Irish Tv.
In fact he is loved here
Rashford has had his head down for years, Fernandes was amazing when he joined and then he turned into an inaccurate whinger. Liverpool were shite in the 90s but at least they were plucky. There's something causing that mentality in the dressing room. There's a huge amount of potential to be unlocked in that side if their heads can be straight. I'd go straight for the sports psychology team and fucking fire them all.
I agree but a psychologist can't treat a bad perdonality. If those players are on big wages, satisfied with their lives and careers, you can't do anything. How do you want someone with a full belly to feel hungry? You can't. United need to work on their wage structure and sell those "satisfied" players.
Liverpool were terrible. Referees kept them in the division for years.
You guys can’t live without talking about Ronaldo..just leave him alone
Adding Souness with Whyte and Jordan is absolute gold for any true lover of football
Well done talksport 👏🏼👏🏼
Argument over where would Manchester United be without the goals of Cristiano Ronaldo is a terrible argument. If any team in the Premier League played without a goalkeeper they would give up way more goals as well. Comparing his goal return to that of an average striker would make sense but pretending like they wouldn't have come from somebody else is crazy.
Exactly...MU scored more goals last two seasons without Ronaldo than with him.....and by quite a big margin too.
Graeme is a great man. Very wise 👌 👏
I'm a fan. Manchester United need somebody like you. If only most pundits had a great managerial mind like yours. You'd make a good football director at United or any club. 💯🤝🏾🔥🔥🔥
I'm a Utd fan and love Ronaldo. I don't want him to leave at all because Utd absolutely need him. Should he leave? Yes of course he should, the club is in a heap and will stay that way or get worse while those leeches are there.
The media seem to forget Ronaldo lost a child earlier this year, can’t blame him for not wanting to be away from his family if that’s the reason.
Sounnes talking sense for once?? Nice to see 😂
He always talked sense. He was right about pogba wasn't he?
Everyone thought Ibrahimovic had the biggest ego in football but look at the impact he has had on thr AC Milan dressing room.
Still hasn't gotten that UCL though
@@SantomPh that’s not on him though is it.
@@SantomPh Gerrard never won the league title, still one of the best ever in the PL
No matter which way you look at it, Ronaldo is one of the greatest players of all time, 800 goals and ends up playing for a team on the same level as Norwich. No disrespect to Norwich.
Graeme talking facts
Souness explaining what he would have done with Ronaldo and we are all interested ,the he's interrupted by silly Simon and then souness tried getting back on page but he has to contend with simon🤦♂️
Souey is a top signing… good balance of player/manger and owner viewpoints along with Simon 👍🏻
That taking his 18 goals out of the equation and finishing 14th, sounds good but it's a false narrative because in effect you are removing a player where there would be another player, scoring more or less goals but at least some goals.
Simon feels so threatened by souness 😂😂
Was good listening to Graeme souness,he fitted in on this show like a glove
11 out of 18 goals were against Norwich Newcastle burnley leeds...also they scored 53 more.goals without him previously keep quiet sounese
Who scored? The same bruno that missed chances yesterday? The same Rashford that missed chances yesterday? The same Martial who morphs into a sloth when the going gets tough? You are deluded. The true state of the team was exposed yesterday. This team will struggle to finish Top 6. Ronaldo is simply a great player playing with average and mediocre players. That is the reality and the fact. Aye Mr facts!
I finally agree with Simon on this one we haven't put the best in class for 9 years and you reap what you sow in this old game of footy.
Ronaldo doesn’t sit with Messi, Pele and Maradona, he’s in the tier below, no disrespect to him, he’s a wonderful striker, but they are a different class
Excellent discussion from Simon and Graham, from differing perspectives the same basic common sense conclusions
Best team so far great addition
Holy trinity of talksport
It isn't too often I have seen Simon Jordan blew out of the water! Souness talked sense.
From yesterday look on his face he looks like he wants to cry for a leave from Man Utd
You don't get rid of a proven goal scorer that easily. Replacing his goals will be a massive issue for Man United, whether he wants to be there or not, if Ronaldo plays he will score.
He needs games. The rest of the team need sorting out
Dont care who scores the goals for Utd. The big problem is the defending. They are gonna concede far more goals than they score. Mcguire, Dalot and Shaw would struggle in Div 2
MU scored more goals last two seasons without Ronaldo than with him.....and by quite a big margin too.
As he gets older His goals cost too much sacrifice from other players now.
Do we need him yes because the board will not buy another striker. Do I want him to stay yes and no for united yes we need him, but he shouldn't go out like this.
Never seen Simon so silent he met his match.
RIght🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
Trevor sinclair, keown etc make it too easy for Simon. I wouldn't say he was silent but it was a great balanced argument
It's a matter of respect.
I literally cannot believe I’m saying this but Graham Souness is literally the voice of reason from a counter argument perspective. It’s so refreshing to actually hear someone consider shades of grey in a situation like this. These are professional athletes, megastars, billion dollar brands, but at the end of the day they’re all just people.
I always liked souness you know, legend. Knows what he's talking about. Cr7s a diamond keep him
The best segment on Talksport. White, Souness and Jordan are so engaging.
I could do all the step overs Ronnie can do when I was 12...On Middlesbrough School of Excellence under 12's and European Cup Winner with South Shields Football Club...This World lost another George Best...
Good luck lad!
Take Milner guys cracks on and there’s no comment on his commitment his age how fit he is is age and how many different positions he can play wow what a man 👏👏👏
Simon makes a good point, Ronaldo is arguably the GOAT, but what he’s failed to do is change his mindset as an older player, he hasn’t taken the position of a leader and adult in the changing room, if you look at Fernandinho…he was hardly playing in his later years but he was so revered and respected in the dressing room cause his mindset was that of the adult in the room…Ronaldo still seems himself as the answer to winning games and not necessarily as a hindrance at times
“When he disappears into the ether...” 😂 Simon didn’t like that behaviour a bit
Souness is viewpoints on Ronaldo would be valid so long as the player is in a stage of his career where he's consistently helping his team win trophies; Ronaldo has not been in that stage for a number of years now. He's Prima Donna now without the trophies to back it up. It's not enough to score a bag of goals, you have lift the team, and frankly, he's simply not that player anymore, if he ever was. They finished 2nd without his 18 PL goals the year before he joined. He came, scored a few goals, but they finished mid table.
Funny how one year he goes from being top drawer to suddenly being too old?
They call that the ‘Maguire effect’
I love Jim and Simon, but YOU NEED SOUNESS FOR THESE TYPE OF CONVERSATIONS! This guy tests Simon and the debates make u feel like your bipolar lmao but I LOVE IT!
Simon and Graeme...what a duo ..with Jim the perfect moderator..
Fantastic conversations aplenty incoming
"Take his goals away and what position would they have finished?"
"14th"
So without Ronaldo they would've always played with ten men??
Great point
Have to hold onto Ronaldo, even if they bring in another striker because there isn't enough backing in that position. As for him and others leaving at half time...if they were allowed to leave, which I imagine they were, then so be it. As for the rest of pre season...let's not forget the tragedy he went through just before the end of the season.
Souness is absolutely right. Make him feel loved. Don't have any other option right now.
This is a wicked show. Great discussion and although different personalities and experiences, max listening and respect. Don't stop doing awesomeness.
its great seeing souness trying to look restrained / moderate even handed , lol he wouldve chewed up ronaldo and shown him how it is , which if gets ronaldo on board you have a great starting point
I think Ronaldo is probably the best player ever, but to compete against two of the best teams in English history (as well as Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea) on a weekly basis, an intense pressing game is required (barring some new paradigm shift). Ronaldo will not only fail to partake of that type of play, but will actively destabilise the efforts of his team mates and scupper the second phase plays (leaving his defence vulnerable).
I honestly think that Real Madrid or PSG are the teams that would benefit most, as their leagues are essentially a stroll and one-off late-stage UCL games almost never play out with intense pressing (due to nerves/accumulated fatigue/inspiration).
Ronaldo wants to move to a bigger club. Can’t blame him as he only has a couple of seasons left at the top.
He signed a contract and no serious club wants him. Deal with it.
@@lethalchocobo1886 yeah it’s a pity. He just didn’t realise how small United are now. Brighton > United 😆😆😆
I agree with Souness that it is important to have experienced players in the dressing room, but if their attitude is negative, you are better off getting rid of them, IMO.
I hear his argument for Ronaldo but there's a huge piece he's missing which is the unity within this squad before he arrived. Ole put his arm around all the players and made them feel loved and that team played with freedom. Players like Bruno were able to thrive because they didn't have to play with stipulations or expectations of passing the ball to Ronaldo, finding Ronaldo etc. Bruno created the most chances in the league last season, most of them half chances which shows he was forcing it compared to the previous Bruno who took responsibility and rifled at goal every chance he got.
Juventus suffered and started a slow decline from the first season he arrived, they were slowly losing grip on their dominance in that league and we watched them freefall in slow motion. Players like Ronaldo and Messi are demanding, difference is that Messi is a playmaker and doesn't throw a tantrum when a teammate scores instead of him but Ronaldo will uproot the whole system if he's scoring less than people in his team. That's the angle you're not seeing, Madrid was built for Ronaldo and the players were happy to dim their light for him i.e Benzema was playing like an assistant rather than a striker. It worked for Madrid in CL but not for Juve or Man U which were teams with no reliance on one individual rather they played as a collective for and we're doing better than they did after Ronaldo joined.