The Angerstein Railway and the Lost Lines of the Greenwich Peninsula
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- That sounds like the name of a prog rock group. In this video, a look at a hidden railway in South East London.
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Your friend Kevin may be correct. Desert sand isn't good for concrete. It's too fine and rounded to provide much surface area for the particulates to adhere and lock together. Sand from the former Doggerland, i.e. the central North Sea, is perfect for concrete because it is a mixture of sandstone and oolitic limestone that was then rapidly buried under sediment when sea levels suddenly rose at the end of the last Ice Age, stopping the grains' sharp and jagged edges from eroding further.
That's why the Romans were so keen on dredging Northern European beaches and carrying the sand back to Rome, rather than just skimming it off the Sahara and sailing it back over the Mediterranean.
It's also why if you ever take a walk along a Northeastern English or Scottish beach on a dry, windy day, you're likely to get the ever living bejesus stung out of your cheeks from all of the scratchy little sharp grains flying in your face :p
Fantastic video as always! Keep them coming :)
Blue Circle cement were'nt too far away down near the Dartford Crossing - not sure if they're still around.
Australia supplies a lot of sand to Saudi Arabia and Egypt too for sand blasting and concrete.
I myself have worked in the concrete industry and what I know about the "operator" is the following, not all sand that is available on this earth can be used for concrete or masonry, not even all the water from a river or even from The sea, which is salt water and unusable, just as well as sand from the North Sea, is also too salty as long as one has an installation that removes the salt from the sand, but that seems to me to be a costly undertaking.
Here river sand is used in the Netherlands as the Rhine or other inland rivers such as the Meuse coming from France country.
Water that is used for the masonry mortar and concrete is usually purified when it is taken from the river, because it can contain all kinds of things that can affect the quality of the mortar or concrete.
Here is an impression of the construction of the aqueduct under the River Gouwe near Gouda from the late 1970s.
ruclips.net/video/BNRFcyJgHPk/видео.html
@@Butlerbob The British Dredging Company [formerly Bowles] used sand suction vessels [coaster size] to collect raw materials from the sea bed in the Bristol Channel and North Sea. Bristol and South Wales had lots of stone, but little or no sand in commercial quantities. Material would be sucked-up at sea and pumped into the open hold of ships, excess water discharging via spillways at the sides. Grab cranes would offload 'stuff' into hoppers and then it was fed by conveyor belts to washing and grading plants [passing over mesh screens with different hole sizes]. Looks like that was happening at Angerstein Wharf.
[for a pic of a ship, look up 'Bowqueen', her of the Thames disaster] correction ~ Bowbelle (see below)
@@EllieMaes-Grandad Aha well that is good information thanks, by the way that is also a method to desalinate sand, anyway here we have enough sand from the countless rivers that find their way to the North Sea in our country, ha ha
I worked for both RMC Marine and CEMEX as Master on one of the dredgers that discharged at Angerstein Wharf. During all of that time I never did see the narrow gauge line in use for the movement of ship's stores though as some previous comments point out it is/has probably been used for transporting heavy machine parts for repair works. The CEMEX wharf at Northfleet also had a narrow gauge line on it and I do remember pushing stores along it it to the ship. The comments about sand going to Saudi is not too far from the truth. Sand quality is quite a complicated science - which explains why on some sandy beaches you can make sand castles and other sandy beaches you can't. I did hear that sand was being shipped out to the Gulf as the desert sand was no good for the filtration plants, I could be wrong, naturally :-)
sand: it's about the shape.
desert sand has flat particles, that stick together and are no good.
good sand has round, ball-like particles.
"I've been burned before when getting superlative on railway matters, so don't @ me in the comments"
.......And just like that we have the first quote on a T-Shirt in the Jago Hazard webstore.
Jago Hazard webstore ? - TAKE MY MONEY!
I would buy that shirt
Yet one more hearty video from Jago to watch sipping a hearty cup of burning hot tea. Thank you for your work, good sir!
Your channel is the only one I watch with regard to railway content. Too many people are just promoting themselves; they are egotistical, conceited and vain. They hurriedly put together something after they’ve been exploring and upload it. Your videos are exceptional, and always good entertainment. We don’t see you; we don’t need to. The topics are varied and the editing of the camera work is very professional. You speak from a good script and in an educated voice. Thank you for uploads
Now this looks familiar! You have a way of telling them Jago. Nice video 👍
Very welcome video this morning. Thanks Jago
I always find videos about the wharf fascinating. I work on one of the dredgers and we aren’t allowed off the ship to explore here so this was very informative.
I’m always interested by those dredgers. It feels incongruous to see such a large vessel in London.
Angerstein Wharf and the Angerstein railway were heavily used by the SECR / Southern railway / BR for the delivery of ballast, rails and suchlike things. It was one of the SECR / SR (Eastern sections) major permament way depots. It was also where the SECR planned to build a power station for their suburban electrification although this never went ahead and the planned plant was never built.
Wow.
Edit: This is near my local area. Anyways, after watching another one of ur videos yesterday or a couple or so days ago, I just subscribed to your RUclips channel. ☺️
Thanks for your sharing your videos.
I used to live a couple of roads over from this! Used to use the crossing when I was commuting into London via Westcombe Park. Always thought it was odd, only ever saw 1 train use it.
Fascinating to those of us who live some distance away!
Thanks Jags.
i seen Geoff's ideo not too long along ago. through his video's i seen your's Jago. the best 2 there is, well done. both of you should do a duo vid or something, would be great fun...
I always felt that the Bexleyheath line can be used to run London Overground services from Clapham Junction to Dartford (with a logical interchange with the East London line at Brockley) in addition to the current South Eastern services. Potentially Angerstein line could become a part of a branch line Clapham Junction - Blackheath - North Greenwich Peninsula, as it can be easily connected to the Blackheath - Charlton link. Some apparent issues:
1. Southeastern can be reluctant to share the Bexleyheath line with the Overground
2. The Bexleyheath line is not that busy past Blackheath but Lewisham is already an extremely busy hub
3. Dartford station would need an Overground terminus
4. Angerstein line is a single track and traffic cannot be very frequent
There are a surprising number of videos about this line ( another spotted potential is a great area for the paint spray can enthusiasts , judging by the street art along / around this line ) ...... ( ? ) ........
Nice narrative. Thanks
I think this wharf was what was called ‘Murphy’s wharf’ in the early 70’s when I, as an apprentice to Otis Elevators, used to repair the lift (can you believe it?) to the control room in a tower where all the conveyors where turned on…or off. All the shutes etc. when it was in operation, it was deafening- the conveyors, not the lift. The lift was a 1970’s French product meant for low rise residential. You can imagine how it faired when Paddy had a few pints and got stuck it it. I can say that. I’m not racist- I’m a product of a Paddy.
That aggregate plant looks like the water park in Great Yarmouth...
Thanks Jago! 🔥
There was a Central Electricity Generating Board CEGB Power Station here called Blackwall Point. This was coal fired with supplies transported by boat. I think your new housing is now at this location. It was originally located next to the existing Yacht Club that still exists.
Looks like track has be renewed since geoff marshall's video.
I can't believe it, I walked right past this while going to IKEA last week, by right past I mean, I took the bridge over the main road and saw a strange path turning off halfway up.
If only I wasn't about to only just make my train I might have explored...
I'm sure it's inevitable that it will get developed one day, I'm sure that land is pretty valuable and apart from its lack of decent transportation links, it will need connections for the future population.
Now this is a good one I’ve been there and asked all the same questions as you
There are plenty of RUclips videos on the crossing but I want to know about its history
The narrow gauge track etc
To be honest anything
It really intrigues me😊
The kids are calling it the O2 now 🤣 visited it in the pre O2 days 😉👍
I went there with my dad. When it 'were all gasworks round there'. Fascinating site, very often used as a TV and film location. The show 'The Professionals' often ended car chases there. It was also there, I believe, that James Bond (Roger Moore) dropped a wheelchair bound Blofeld (John Hollis) down a big chimney in the pre-title sequence of 'For Your Eyes Only'.
Fun Fact! Saudi Arabia does import sand from Australia...Mainly for concrete aggregate as desert sand isn't great for that
Did you know that Iceland imports ice from Maine?
A fascinating little episode once again. I immediately recognised the foot crossing from Geoff's video although, I must admit, I'd forgotten whereabouts in London it was. A quick look at railmaponline.com and I soon found the location. Interesting to see what 𝑤𝑎𝑠 there, and how little remains today in terms of railways, dockyards etc.
Funnily enough, the Turkish restaurant in the video also appears on the rail map, and gets a glowing review from an earlier commentor. 😁
Addendum; The Charlton Depot,of the LCC,(tram cars),was served by the Angerstein Wharf line! So indirectly,there was a passenger service in the area! There were photos taken,and you might check London Transport web sites!! An overlooked bit of history, as usual! Sorry,I can't give you more data,but an LCC/LTE,track map,would be more beneficial,as to the connections,and mayhaps,a Southern/SER track map for the other land side connections! Admittedly nerdy,but those type of maps have much information that road maps do not,and there would be junctions and restrictions shown,that would limit,and/or make certain things possible! Again,check out Ian Allan,and such,for that information! Nice job,Jago,fills in an obscure area,otherwise unknown! 🚂🚋🚇🚇🚂🚂⛴🚢⛴🛳🚢😀😀👍👍👍👍👍💯💯💯💯💯💫💫💫💫💫
Is that a Seagull outboard motor on a pedestal @1:16?
For people who feel they want to see more of the line itself there is a video by a railwayman walking most of it with a hand-held camera. There is very little commentary so I would recommend listening to what Jago (and Geoff) have to say first. I was able to follow the railwayman's progress using Google Maps satellite view.
Here it is:
ruclips.net/video/KpmYXaKCiII/видео.html
Still no trains though!
Patrick
1:19 What is the British Seagull outboard doing on a plinth?
One day my plinth will come! ...and it did 🚤🦆
As far as I know aggregates from the sea floor are not used in construction because of the salt of the sea.. stone and sand are mainly mined from mines. Great video as always 👍
I live here
I spent six long years doing RICS exams and now you at last tell me that aggregate is "stuff". Where were you 40 years ago? You'd have saved me a whole lot of time and grief! Thanks for nothing ; )
"A little bit The Sweeney" sums up so much with so few words.
Can you explain it for uncultured foreigners like me pls?
Was it my imagination, or did every episode end with a massive punch up in a derelict dockside?
@@hegeliansours1312 The Sweeney was a 70s tv show filmed in the U.K. Its about the Metropolitan Police Flying Squad( hence the Cockney rhyming slang Sweeney Todd- Flying squad) who are detectives that go after villains, you will find clips on RUclips.
@@hegeliansours1312 Google "The Sweeney TV series". It quite often had car chases around run-down or derelict areas of London.
I do love speeding through those old streets with the cardboard boxes flying everywhere
It's vitally important you bring us particulars of the edgelands and other liminal places, so we can be enthralled from afar and not go anywhere near them in person.
The "photogenicness" of a place is relative, I find the images of abandoned/derelict factories to be weirdly pretty
Totally agree!
Lifelong AGREED!:-) 🖖
They are interesting!
As Fred Didnah put it; “There’s beauty in this ugliness”
"Tart anchors"? ... oooh, Tar tankers! 🤦♂️
Odour Eaters? Oh Doritos (Yorkshire accent required)
😂
I thought that too,brought to mind the Twon Ronnies sketch ... fork 'andles?
Me too
Saudi Arabia probably does buy the sand ... for making concrete
They do ruclips.net/video/i2_PADr0jAA/видео.html
Yes, the Arab desert nations sand is too fine and rounded to be used as building materials so they have to import it, ironically some countries also "import" camels from Australia as well!
Surprisingly they import sand and camels from Australia as well, because apparently our sand is better for making concrete and apparently Australian camels give better quality meat than what you can get from the camels in Saudi Arabia
@@daveayerstdavies I came to the comments to post that video, but I'm 12 hours too late!
@Coach Camel_Pill Also for making molds for casting iron and steel.
Doesn't everyone have a "mate called Kevin" who makes comments that are almost as sarcastic as Mr Jago's?
I tried searching among my own friends and mates to see who would be my "mate called Kevin", until Im realised that I am the mate called Kevin...
My ex was Kevin 🙄 he wasn't intelligent enough to be sarcastic. He was an Asshole.
My friends called Kevin (two of them) are nowhere near as witty though. In fact, they’re a bit thick ..... 😂
@Jay Tee I’m sure he’s his mothers little golden boy 😉
Has he got a degree in economics
... Maths, physics and bionics?
Oh my, you're in very fine form with this one. Every few seconds there's another bit of sarcasm, snark, clever reference, and biting wit - all the while delivering another gem of interestingness.
Another great video! I first found out about this odd little railway line, by being recommended, by Thou Cylinder, a video by a bloke who uses the Nom de Urbex of 'Morthren'. He's very fond of long-forgotten railway branches, and spurs that go nowhere anymore. I have a feeling, that he's probably a lift or electrical engineer, by trade, as he often has the keys for junction boxes, etc. You never see his face, or hear his voice, but he uses very precise captions. His videos, like yours, are oddly calming.
Tom Servo got there first! I live in Dubai and can confirm that the UAE, and I presume the rest of the Arabian Peninsular, including KSA, import a lot of sand for building purposes. The desert sand here is far too fine for use in concrete production.
It would appear that many a true word is spoken in jest!
Did you know that Iceland imports ice
This is just a quick comment to let you know how much your videos have stopped me descending into blind panic in the dead of night with worry over my Dad who's in hospital. When I've felt the panic rising in my throat I've started another one of your films and it's helped the terror subside. Thank you. More than you might ever know.
You’re welcome! Glad I could help!
Is Jago a figment of Geoff's imagination or is Geoff a figment of Jago's? Only the Matrix knows.
For some reason I can't ever watch a 'jago's trains' without thinking of Jesse's diets from the fast show
This week I will be mostly talking about trains
Subscribed. I'm not from the UK, but have visited London on occasion. I'm always intrigued how history shaped a metropolis. And I've found several youtube channels that gave some valuable insights: Londonist Ltd, and Jay Foreman with his excellent Map Men. And now Jago Hazzard. Keep up the good work.
Those colorful, artisticly constructed buildings you call the west side looks sort of cool. I like the use of red, yellow, orange along with the natural building material. The mix of modern human made buildings mingling with open green space. We call that a breathing city. You are right about the bit we saw of east side looking very car geared (hahah, geared). Very much of America is like that. Americans love cars and most of our towns and cities have big, fast moving 4 lane roads making it dangerous to walk or bike any place. My dad lives in a tiny town of 6,000 people and I almost got hit by cars at least five times trying to walk 2 miles from his house to the art store. I live in Seattle with 645,000 in city limits but 3.6 million in the metropolitan area. They say we have 34,580 people in my 10 block radius neighborhood alone. We have several apartments that are 43 stories high or more. The point is even with all my neighbors I can safely walk to the store, bike to the park or play with my dog without worry of a car hitting me. That is if I stay off the 8 lane, double stackn 65 miles per hour Interstate across the street from my front door. I really like all the areas you show me. This West Side Peninsula, Brixton, Soho, Coilers Wood and Blackfriers. I maybe have all those names wrong but they all look smaller, older and a good bit more livable than my hood of Cascade. I will try to film a walking informational clip of my area soon and invite you along to experience the north west America if you would like?
All aboard the Jago Express !
CHOO CHOO!
As a person who enjoys modelling “grot” your pictures were great.
You're in the porn industry?!
I see 'Grot' I think of Reginald Perrin, and his 'Grot' empire. Shops that sell nothing but utterly useless rubbish, at exorbitant prices, which is lapped up by hipsters.
It could never happen in the real... world... er... hang on a minute... Oh.
@@annother3350 he looks like a pilot to me, I could be wrong tho
@@annother3350 Well, they _did_ used to have "fluffers" on the tubes!
Brilliant as ever and one with personal resonance. My daughter lives down the road from the entrance to the crossing and when, last year (following Geoff's video) I went exploring there she couldn't have been less impressed. Great that I now have the chance to try and further ignite her interest with all the intriguing facts from your video. [p.s. Eat Turkish - featured in your shot of the Angerstein bridge across the Charlton Road is b!**&y excellent!]
The kids are calling it the o2 now 🤣🤣
See also the clip by Morthren, which predates Geoff Marshall \m/
Don't forget the Angerstein signal works :D Its funny in back in the sixties, my late father after his long overdue breakdown over the atrocity he witnessed as a young box boy at St Johns, returned to signalling at Charlton working relief from the long gone art deco signalbox covering Charlton Lane, up as far as North Kent Jnc and down as far as Woolwich Arsenal, he used to go on about the wharf and the long long gone Deptford branches and on occasion flagging and linesman duty at Angerstein which he hated as there was no tea to be had. There used to be another fenced off line down towards Erith/Slade Green way you used to be able to see from the London bound trains on the right.
My youngest was born in Greenwich, very sad to hear the hospital was pilfered by the property maggots and closed down not that long after :( Do regret leaving my old stamping grounds but the London I knew by the 90's had long gone and was fast becoming a city of people having no sense or idea of community, of people who fawned for those with a penny more than them and despised those with a penny less.
Oh forgot to mention, Hither Green's class 71's were assigned to the two engine sheds as the wharf was at one point overhead third rail supply with two of them that languished at HG for years until they were towed for scrapping with a couple of 74's. Those engines despite being weather worn on the outside were kept in remarkable condition by the motive power depot at HG, I think they were taken at first to Stewarts Lane and I remember my father saying he saw a pair of them taken down through Wimbledon A one day and I purposefully went from Bromley South to Victoria to work next day to see if they had moved from Stewarts Lane and yes, they had gone :(
As well as loading empty trains at Angerstein they also have loaded trains arrive from Bardon Hill (and possibly other places) carrying various grades of stone from the Leicestershire Quarry. I used to drive them in the late 1990s (headcode 6O59) but only from Leicester to Acton Central, a Hither Green driver would relieve you and take it forward......happy days!
As the south has alot of chalk greak for school boards but bad for roads concrete etc. There are ships that come down from Scotland with quarries stone they used to drop off round there the last time I was last working down on That London
I recall that when I worked at Charing Cross Control Room (making announcements and flicking the leaves of the Solari departure board) someone organised a "special" to Angerstein Wharf using a Hastings diesel unit. This would have been in around 1982'ish. Happy days! Thank you, Jago!
I did the line once with Hertfordshire Railtours, but it can’t have been the same one as it was later than that. The first of their tours great I went on was in 1984.
5:15 your mate, Kevin, is right actually. He's obviously been down there a bit and seen all the Saudi lads fighting over sand.
How else do you think they made all those deserts?
That's an area of London I must have a wander around one day when we are free to wander.
@@rocketscience4516 - Some ‘rough’ parts are still in evidence, as shown and mentioned in this video, which was shot a few days before posting. Probably won’t be long before they’re gone as well though.
@@rocketscience4516 I frequently walked through the area in the 1970s so I want to see just how much it has changed - for the "better" or "worse".
Set yourself free
@@rocketscience4516 I think Brentford's undergoing the same fate.
Just FYI, Network Rail are planning to close the pedestrian crossing featured in this video. There is a petition if you Google for it.
I don't know enough to give an informed opinion. However, to me it's just another example of the ebb and flow of modern times. Wise or otherwise, we humans have always found ways to meet the needs of the times. It's more astounding when one finds unequivocal remains of the past.
The narrow gauge could be used by the mechanics to move parts out to the end of pier when things break, may just be hand pushed trucks now or small battery powered things ............
Just a thought!!!
Fascinating as ever. There's an interesting French website that has maps of every line and station, past and present, in a number of world cities including London. And there on the London map, in detail, is this very line. There's an other little known line that runs from Southall Station for 3 miles down to the West London Waste transfer depot just short of the A4 in Brentford. In days past it continued on to Brentford Dock on the Thames. Along its route there was a tiny stopping point called Trumpers Crossing Halt, and there is also the unique Three Bridges in Hanwell where the line passes under the Grand Union Canal whilst Windmill Lane passes over the top.
West London has another similar goods line running from West Drayton Station to Colnbrook. It can passes through the middle of the M25/M4 cloverleaf, and can be seen as one drives along, fitting snuggly between the southbound M25 to westbound M4 and the northbound M25 to eastbound M4 links. In a hat tip to the Three Bridges in Hanwell, the line at this point is directly under the M4 which in turn is under the M25 which is under two more link lanes above.
carto.metro.free.fr/documents/CartoMetroLondon.v3.6.pdf
The line ran from West Drayton to Staines West, ( not connected to the present SWR Staines station). It was severed when the M25 was built.
Thanks! I should check that out!
I went on a railtour along the Brentford and Colnbrook lines a couple of years ago, but have never seen one on offer to Angerstein Wharf - hadn't realised the line still existed, and it looks in good well-used condition.
An old Seagull outboard motor at 1:15. Supposedly a WWII invention as semi-disposable, now mounted on a base with a plaque.
I grew up in Brixham, Devon & the tenders that took people out to their moored yachts, or trawlers if they weren't at quayside, invariably used a seagull. Absolutely ubiquitous!
Wikipedia says it started in the 30s and continued to the 90s, although spares are still available. I had one in the 70s, second hand, used it for five years and sold for much the same money. Probably still going if not sunk or destroyed.
I bought a new Seagull in 1985 and took it across to the Caribbean, where several other British yachts also had seagulls. Sadly they never bred . . .
@@zig_ziggy they make a fair amount of noise and mess though
@@highdownmartin I can't say I noticed more noise and mess than the Mercury I used to replace it - but it was some years ago.
Your mate Kevin has - like all Kevins - a tiny grain of truth they've built their pearl of "knowledge" around. Desert sand is too smooth and fine for use in most concrete, so Saudi Arabia (and other mostly-desert nations) *do* have to import millions of tons of sharp sand for construction. Probably not from Charlton though.
Great stuff Jago.
I often wondered where that odd bit of railway went. I often see it if I am on the train if it goes via Blackheath. There is quite a busy looking series of tracks where the Blackheath line and the Greenwich line meet up as the levels change quite a bit so it affords a good view. Growing up in Erith which is just a bit further down stream from Greenwich I marvelled at the number of light railways that were active in the area. The area around Crabtree manorway which is south of the North Kent mainline had a light railway serving BICC, BOCM Hercules powder works and Doultons to name but a few then furher East was the Erith light Railway which ran from the Pier in West Street Erith, Through GEC Parsons engineering works and then into Erith sand and Gravel Pits. Alas all now gone. There were a few rails showing in the road in West Street and also a few showing past the site of the old Vox Jennings (Burndepts Electronics) factory famous for their amplifiers and musical instruments as used by some popular beat combos of the 1960s. The Beatles being one well know users. These factory railways were every where when I was growing up.
Could always find use for a "Tart Anchor" myself!
When the Thames Barrier was being built there was a daily (weekday) train of 41 MSV 'tippler' stone wagons (1500 tons give or take) from the Mendips to Angerstein Warf carrying mostly large rocks (boulders really). Never realised how close the barrier is to the warf. Quite how that was handled at the warf end I don't know, we only took it as far as Acton Yard. It was know as the 'Angryswine' turn, it don't think it was personal... Nice to see where it actually went to.
When you mentioned "tar tankers" a little 12-year-old-schoolboy-devil thing appeared on my shoulder and forced me to re-watch that bit with captions turned on.
Needless to say it displayed "Tart Anchors". I thought about proposing it as an entry into Roger's Profanisaurus but I do find giving these phrases an actual definition does detract from the comedy value.
Re the Sweeney, I well remember one incident at a time in the 1990's when I was known as the only bank manager south of the Thames on the monopoly board. We became the most raided bank branch in the country. The Sweeney had offices just up the road, but, on one occasion, they got beaten to the ones being the first to arrive by a WPC on a push bike.
Thank you for this film. Until I retired 18 months ago `I was an envirocrime officer for the peoples republic of Greenwich and spent many hours involved in waste issues in this area. Happy days.
There is a train most Tuesdays of 2000 tons of granite from Bardon Hill quarry in Leicestershire. This is the aggregates that are dealt with at the wharf.
Huh, I thought my country was the only one that buries old railroads with cement, asphalt, or dirt.
Very happy to see this video about my local area.
I live near the Euromix site on Deptford creek, which still sends boats on short journeys down river to the sand works to pick up supplies. It is currently having to use a smaller boat because the lifting bridge on Creek Road is out of use
Great video as ever the is a book called Greenwich Peninsula Greenwich Marsh history of an industrial heartland by Mary Mills for a more detailed information
Best RUclips intro I’ve ever heard 😂😂😂
I hope that there will be a passenger service on the rail!
Apparently you can't just use any old sand for making concrete. There's even been a rumor of an impending 'sand shortage'.
Saudi Arabia actually does buy a lot of sand from all over the world, for use in construction. Desert sand is apparently useless for concrete, the grains are too fine, and too rounded.
Just found my new favourite channel.
Eat your heart out, National Geographic.
"A little bit The Sweeney" 😂🤣👍
"The cable car, for what it's worth." Not a lot, in my opinion.
Wow, I often go to North Greenwich peninsula when in London, and walk from the O2 down that pathway past the aggregate docks to my favourite London pub - the Anchor & Hope (worth a visit btw). Never realised this railway was in the vicinity! Despite having watched the video from Geoff and another chap about the crossing before him. So +1 for JH for putting the wider area into context. I shall look out for it next time I go down there...
That was an interesting video. Seen Geoff Marshall's video, he dealt with crossing more, your video covered history of the area.
Hands up if you recognised Westcombe Park Station at the beginning of the video.
We need a petition to get Jago sent free stuff.
Free aggregate?.
@@chriswood5205 gravel tycoon
"There you go, guv. All the pea shingle you can eat."
We need a petition to make Jago the next Transport Minister
Greetings from Oz and thanks for another great video, most enjoyable as always. Good luck and stay safe.
More greetings from Oz. Thanks for your exceptional research.
@@maryreichle7623 Ditto to both.
All very familiar scenes - I live near that crossing, so so handy for the train station! You caught the “character” of the area well :)
Further to the Greenwich & District NGRS Zoom meeting last night: -
Industrial Railways & Locomotives of the County of London (Industrial Railway Society, 2008) lists Flower & Everett Ltd. as being at Angerstein’s Wharf, Charlton. They were lightermen, wharfingers, dredging contractors, removers of refuse and barge owners.
In 1896 they took delivery of a 2’6” gauge 0-4-0ST from Sharp Stewart & Co. (SS 4154) which was named FRED. Later they also had two Kerr Stuart 0-4-0STs (KS 653 of 1899 and 810 of 1903) named BILL and JOE. All three locos were disposed of at an unknown date, probably for scrap but this is not certain.
Also, an old OS map shows a timber yard on Christie's Wharf next to Angerstein's Wharf.
The Angerstein Wharf branch was equipped with Southern Railway Overhead 750V DC catenery for powering electric locomotives on the line,
A little bit Sweeny!!!! -- watch out for speeding Ford Granadas
Here's an interesting article on Regan's 1974 Ford Consul 3000 V6 GT (It's nice just typing that! Can you imagine owning it?) you see in the opening credits. Along with lots of nerdy Ford / Sweeney stuff if you're that way inclined.
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A Dutch firm which specialises in artificial (plastic) hockey fields used coarse Dutch river sand to lay fields in Egypt. Imagine 40' containers with river sand being shipped to Egypt.
You're so fun! I mean, sure we have some Edison, Bell, Levis or Lucas, but in your videos there are always matter of fact tidbits like, "When we invented steam power" or 'We have so many ancient railroads, it's tough to find a really good one >180 years that isn't all over the tour books', then 'back when we invented law' or I'm sure, 'sir Humphrey Humperstall-Merkins first discovered sand here -on this spot (shows >spot
I may have mentioned this before (although, with this being two years ago, more likely I'll be doing it in the future...) but a map would have really been useful!!
All I know of the Greenwich peninsula is the Dome (not a kid!), Ikea and the tunnel, the rest is (and will probably remain so) a total mystery. So I have no real idea where this railway is! That's what maps are for, Jago!!
I'm sure you have read this by now:
Bob Carr (GLIAS Newsletter June 2010) asked about the narrow-gauge railway going out to the jetty at Angerstein Wharf.
A CEMEX manager informs me that the rails were installed to carry a small trolley to facilitate the delivery of stores to the dredgers that deliver aggregates for processing.
To his knowledge it has never been used and the small amount of stores that the dredgers require are carried by hand. -Peter Finch
Googled to the Greater London Industrial Archaeological Society - probably worth you having a chat with them as it would seem to be your cup of tea.
Great clip.... very enjoyable... and yes it does have potential ... perhaps an urban tourist line with a small steam engine... AND... Perhaps, just perhaps an 'abandonded station,' along the Angerstein was the home of Wellington and ol' Boot... jus' sayin, an' still waitin' ... no g.
I paid a visit to the Peninsula when I purchased some £10 LNER tickets from Leeds during ‘unlock’. I was very taken by a silver-ish tower, near the main road footbridge. On investigation I discovered it to conceal chimneys from a recycling centre. Could these be the most attractive chimneys in London?
I used to live in Humber Road and Westcombe Park was the nearest station. My brothers probably crossed the Angerstein railway line, but I never did. I also never used that footbridge over the Blackwall Tunnel Southern Approach. Scary.
Great audio-presentation of one of the forgotten railways of London. In the mid-1970's I worked for the Permanent Way department of the BR Southern Region and we had a regular train from Angerstein Wharf to (I think) Bricklayers Arms and then down to Redbridge, Southampton, conveying PW equipment, probably concrete sleepers. I am sure that this line could form the focus of a public transport shuttle service from Charlton to Angerstein, similar to the Stourbridge Town People Carrier. What do you think?
Oh Dear!
Anger-steen or Anger-stine?
In German, it's the second vowel which determines the pronunciation.
The Americans have a problem with both English and German, so pursuing their logic is a waste of time...