Wait a moment, why is Robb Cross being criticised for stepping far to the side of the oche? It’s a completely legitimate strategy in darts to move as far as you like as long as your foot isn’t in FRONT of the oche line! Phil Taylor did the same thing to win the World Matchplay with a 132 finish and it was hailed as the best dart ever thrown… also the oche being curved would make sense but I can see why they don’t do this as it would look a bit odd on the stage.
i've played darts for many years and never knew an underarm throw was illegal, i thought the only illegal throw was if you are in front of the oche, and in the 1000's of pub league matches ive played in you see guys toe's over the line on the mat all the time without being pulled up lol, as well as chucking one underarm to make sure they bust back to a double. you live n learn :)
You are allowed to move past the oche. You need to extend the oche in your mind and stay behind it. It is not clear to see if cross was a bit to far towards the board
There isn't no rule on having your foot against the oche when throwing - agreed Cross may of been in front of the oche - but you've got to remember, him throwing from that angle will probably mean he's throwing from further away.... Rules of Trigonometry
wow so many mistakes and misinformation in 1 video ^^ king never won the worlds and it is perfectly fine not to touch the oche while throwing. the subtitles are total sonsense... 7:41 that's a single 7... 7:48 who is "Kerrick" Bevins xD
Imagine being the writer in a local tournament only consisting of amateur players calling a game of two amateur opponents, one of them throwing underhand at some point. I wouldn't even dare to deny that throw. People would complain to me that I take it way too serious so I'd let it go, even though I knew it was against the rules.
For sure it's harder to be accurate as you're not throwing in front of your eye line. There's no technical or in game advantage to be gained. The only reason i can think of is that it looks unprofessional and makes fun of the game by making it look silly on TV.
I think it's a savety issue. If you release your dart too late in a normal throw, you hit the ground. But if you release it too late with an underarm throw, you may hit one of the referees. It may seem very unlikely to miss a throw like that, but considering that it was an unaimed throw out of frustration, the risk was too high. Taking that risk is very disrespectful to the referees, even if it's very low.
Most likely to enforce strict discipline because a dart is technically a weapon. You have to draw the line *before* throwing the dart into the ceiling or the referee.
Phil Taylor deed het ook tegen James Wade. Phil ging voor de bull en moest ook helemaal opschuiven en daar werd nooit over gezeurd dus ik snap nu ook niet.
@@DartsFlix love this reply confirming king hasn't been world champion and instead won a major 🤦♂️🤦♂️ this video is a complete waste of time and copied
not only did he hit single 7, he wasn't aiming for D16 - he was hoping to bust after hitting single 11. so whilst the score should have indeed been 18 (therefore bust), he was only given the 11, which left him with 5...
Good video.. but the many "ZOOM" transitions makes this very hard to watch... a simple dissolve will get you to the next scene without detracting from your video or the annoying the viewer... the human eye does not "ZOOM" during transitions.... Just my two cents..
In the arena where darts do fly, Underneath the bright and watchful sky, A tale unfolds of deception sly, Illegal throws that make hearts sigh. In the heat of battle, fierce and bold, Where champions' stories are often told, Some seek advantage, their grip controlled, By tricks and cheats, their integrity sold. Illegal darts, a stain profound, In the sacred arena where honor's found, A shadow cast on the hallowed ground, As fair play wanes, and trust is drowned. But in the midst of darkness deep, True sportsmanship shall always keep, Its flame alight, its vigil steep, As justice wakes from its slumbering sleep. For in the end, it's not the cheat, Whose name resounds, whose tale is sweet, But those who play with hearts complete, Their darts fly true, their victories meet. So let us banish deceit's cruel art, And let fair play reign in every part, For in the realm of the darting chart, Only integrity shall never depart.
Cross and King.................................... rather see them throw darts at each other to be honest. Not nice people. As for King.................. I recall a game he played in the BDo where he was getting slammed by an unseeded player and he demanded the oche was remeasured. He refused to play non and instead of the BDO making him forfeit the match, they suspended play and remeasured. The disruption lead to the unseeded player getting nervous and King winning. He was booed consistently at BDO matches for the rest of the season and left to go to the PDC. So as for alleged cheating, King is not a victim he is a culprit.
I don’t understand why is throwing a dart underarm illegal and what counts as underarm, is throwing the dart like a normal dart but your hand the other way around and underarm?
The cross one is negligible. If you're that far over from the oche. The board is much farther from you than if you just stood at the raised platform. Also from the video it looks like he was basically in line with it. More whinging from a member of Taylor's pocket club Mervin King.
Ok, so I carried on watching....you on the one hand say Cross' throw was illegal because he was no longer touching the raised oche (which you don't have to do) then you say it was because he was ahead of the oche (which is not allowed) ....that's what Mervyn was saying. You don't have to touch the oche. You can be as far left or right of the board (ignore the raised oche) as long as you are behind the oche line which you have to mentally visualise when you go off to the left or right (it just makes it harder as the more angle you create the further you have to throw the dart). You can stand 100m right or left of the board if you want just as long as you are standing behind a line that is seven feet nine and a quarter inches (237cm / 2.37m) from the board. And, Mervyn King has never won the world championship (BDO or PDC) And, the raised oche is only a thing because if it was flat and just a piece of tape denoting the line, the markers would have to be watching the position of the leading foot of the thrower. Its a raised oche for convenience and fairness. You don't have to be touching it. And, fyi, the different coloured carpeted area around the oche is the exclusion zone that the player collecting their darts can't enter when the opponent is setting up to throw.
I do hate it when RUclipsrs makes big mistakes like saying king was world champion. When ya a RUclipsr mistakes like this are magnified, and it’s kinda cringe that you mess up as blatantly as that. Just saying.
It's not breaking the rules 2 gain an advantage I mean he threw it in anger like he didn't care it wasn't to cheat to win just in anger, I've done it in anger like yea who care I quit 😂😂😂
I can't see why you should be able to throw your darts how you play your style aguy i new throw his darts from his waist and high scores on trebles. someone with two fingers on there right hand is it a crime its darts .throw at the board simple your behind the line all that matters 🤔😁
Listen carefully to what you say at 6:28 - I know what you mean but they style and cadence of your delivery makes it sound all wrong. It's like you've no idea about any of this and are just reading (badly) someone else's script.
I'm convinced this video was made with chat GPT
Lmao yeah it's weird
Rob Cross's throw against King was not an Illegal throw. Your foot does not have to be touching the Oche, you merely have to be behind the Oche line.
Another point... a cross line is longer in distance than a straight line.
+ hitting D16 from that position he was in, is 10x harder than if you´d stand in front of the oche, everyone knows that, if not try it yourself
Wait a moment, why is Robb Cross being criticised for stepping far to the side of the oche? It’s a completely legitimate strategy in darts to move as far as you like as long as your foot isn’t in FRONT of the oche line! Phil Taylor did the same thing to win the World Matchplay with a 132 finish and it was hailed as the best dart ever thrown… also the oche being curved would make sense but I can see why they don’t do this as it would look a bit odd on the stage.
Normal dart rules allow the underarm throw, as there are dart players who do throw underarm, PDC do have some odd rules
Why you did micheal van Gerwen on Vincent van den voort you can see it
5:16 - King has never won a world championship
i've played darts for many years and never knew an underarm throw was illegal, i thought the only illegal throw was if you are in front of the oche, and in the 1000's of pub league matches ive played in you see guys toe's over the line on the mat all the time without being pulled up lol, as well as chucking one underarm to make sure they bust back to a double. you live n learn :)
I guess that's why you have raised oches lol. I'd thin being slightly closer would throw me off tbh
1:55 "with his next dart" then we watch him miss the next dart😂😅 ty for video!
😮 I understand most of them but that throw at 3:24 from Rob Cross come on...
You are allowed to move past the oche. You need to extend the oche in your mind and stay behind it. It is not clear to see if cross was a bit to far towards the board
6:38 James Wade literally does that every single time he gets frustrated, never seen him get called out
There isn't no rule on having your foot against the oche when throwing - agreed Cross may of been in front of the oche - but you've got to remember, him throwing from that angle will probably mean he's throwing from further away.... Rules of Trigonometry
got that same mindset m8 as ive had multiple times happening it was farther away so i adjusted the throw higher to hit the target
If there is a distance from the centre of the bull to the oche, 2.93 metres. That tells me that an arc can be formed on the ground to create an oche.
My thoughts for a long time...
no, this is not basketball.
Wtf is this thumbnail? Like we wouldn't notice or what ahahaha
wow so many mistakes and misinformation in 1 video ^^
king never won the worlds and it is perfectly fine not to touch the oche while throwing.
the subtitles are total sonsense... 7:41 that's a single 7... 7:48 who is "Kerrick" Bevins xD
Imagine being the writer in a local tournament only consisting of amateur players calling a game of two amateur opponents, one of them throwing underhand at some point. I wouldn't even dare to deny that throw. People would complain to me that I take it way too serious so I'd let it go, even though I knew it was against the rules.
5l
Is this not from DartsWorld??
He steals all of his videos, disgrace.
Exactly in the same order as well. He does not even try to hide the copy paste
theres so much better dart content in the world to focus on such petty non-issues. i wish i could get the 3 minutes i watched back in my life
Btw the first under arm illegally thrown dart wasn’t counted by the ref because it missed the board!
hoooooly shit i can't watch this.... 1 million transitions... my eyes hurt
i feel like i warpped into a different dimension
I wonder why the rules prohibit underarm throws. It seems like it would be harder to be accurate that way?
For sure it's harder to be accurate as you're not throwing in front of your eye line. There's no technical or in game advantage to be gained. The only reason i can think of is that it looks unprofessional and makes fun of the game by making it look silly on TV.
Its just an odd rule from the PDC, there are loads of underarm throw dart players, pubs rules say throw, PDC says to aim
I think it's a savety issue. If you release your dart too late in a normal throw, you hit the ground. But if you release it too late with an underarm throw, you may hit one of the referees. It may seem very unlikely to miss a throw like that, but considering that it was an unaimed throw out of frustration, the risk was too high. Taking that risk is very disrespectful to the referees, even if it's very low.
Most likely to enforce strict discipline because a dart is technically a weapon. You have to draw the line *before* throwing the dart into the ceiling or the referee.
Phil Taylor deed het ook tegen James Wade. Phil ging voor de bull en moest ook helemaal opschuiven en daar werd nooit over gezeurd dus ik snap nu ook niet.
7:25 Dimi looks about 50 then but 15 now 😂
What year did king become world champion? Just out of curiosity???
In 2004, he claimed his first BDO major title when he won the World Masters in Bridlington, defeating Tony O'Shea 7-6 in the final.
@@DartsFlix love this reply confirming king hasn't been world champion and instead won a major 🤦♂️🤦♂️ this video is a complete waste of time and copied
@@DartsFlix Dude get off Chat GPT
@@122Roscolol copied word for word from Wikipedia aswell
@@DartsFlix CLOWN
What’s an ockey?
A lesson in always do your homework before posting this crap.
07:40 Triple 7?? No way, this was just a single 7
not only did he hit single 7, he wasn't aiming for D16 - he was hoping to bust after hitting single 11.
so whilst the score should have indeed been 18 (therefore bust), he was only given the 11, which left him with 5...
I must of missed the year that mervin king became champ..
This channel is very, very funny and entertaining 🦄🤣😆🤣
Agreed! Really like this content! He inspired me to make my own channel!
Thanks for your many useful reviews throughout the years! :)
Agreed! He inspired me to make my own channel!
@@Bullseyesbeat1 yeah if this dude can, anyone can really. annoying as fuck
Why do you repeat the incendents twice ?
Merwyn king never became world champion
I feel like the dart Cross threw against King was extremely questionable
why is underhand throw illegal ? a specific reason in the rules or you just can't ?
My old Dad always played darts throwing underarm .
cross litteraly moves 30cm further away and hits an amazing double. mervyn mervyn xD
7:42 the trouble (treble) seven lol
Good video.. but the many "ZOOM" transitions makes this very hard to watch... a simple dissolve will get you to the next scene without detracting from your video or the annoying the viewer... the human eye does not "ZOOM" during transitions.... Just my two cents..
The other type of foul throw is being over the line - far more of an issue in lower league competitions.
It leaves me with the question why is underarm illegal? I would expect it to be less accurate anyway therefore no advantage to throwing that way🤷♂️.
less control, normally happens when angry or frustrated and is therefore dangerous for the caller.
Relax with the zoom transition holy shit
Karick Bevans!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why is every sentence a question? 😂
In the arena where darts do fly,
Underneath the bright and watchful sky,
A tale unfolds of deception sly,
Illegal throws that make hearts sigh.
In the heat of battle, fierce and bold,
Where champions' stories are often told,
Some seek advantage, their grip controlled,
By tricks and cheats, their integrity sold.
Illegal darts, a stain profound,
In the sacred arena where honor's found,
A shadow cast on the hallowed ground,
As fair play wanes, and trust is drowned.
But in the midst of darkness deep,
True sportsmanship shall always keep,
Its flame alight, its vigil steep,
As justice wakes from its slumbering sleep.
For in the end, it's not the cheat,
Whose name resounds, whose tale is sweet,
But those who play with hearts complete,
Their darts fly true, their victories meet.
So let us banish deceit's cruel art,
And let fair play reign in every part,
For in the realm of the darting chart,
Only integrity shall never depart.
props to the referees spotting these
Amazing darts videos 🤣🤣🤪🤪💀💀
Agreed! He inspired me to make my own channel! ruclips.net/video/RX5ffbTlUVY/видео.html
The narration is all over the place lol
🤔
The first bloke is a bit of a pratt isn't he
Easy fix. Full contact darts.
How do refs know how players are throwing when they’re eyes are locked onto the board to count up the scores
Surely if you don’t want to bust, you can just throw underarm??
You also dont have to throw it, just walk up to the board and collect the two darts
Cross and King.................................... rather see them throw darts at each other to be honest. Not nice people. As for King.................. I recall a game he played in the BDo where he was getting slammed by an unseeded player and he demanded the oche was remeasured. He refused to play non and instead of the BDO making him forfeit the match, they suspended play and remeasured. The disruption lead to the unseeded player getting nervous and King winning. He was booed consistently at BDO matches for the rest of the season and left to go to the PDC. So as for alleged cheating, King is not a victim he is a culprit.
since when "starting to walk" has been illegal? it should be fine if the dart is released before your step hits the ground.
It shouldn't be a straight line but a semi-circle with a 237 cm radius.
I don’t understand why is throwing a dart underarm illegal and what counts as underarm, is throwing the dart like a normal dart but your hand the other way around and underarm?
How could 1:23 be a best of 9 legs when dimitri was leading 5-3 and it clearly says best of 11
The line is infinite
why is underarm throw illegal? do you get any additional benefit over other players?
I guess it is dangerous for the markers and caller as the player has less control over the dart when throwing under arm, thus it is forbidden
It isn't illegal this guy's a melt
Well if it's not illegal why are underarm throws never counted?@@claphands-pr2vt
He did what to double 19 😲😲😲
Ross pray? 😂😂
Ross Pray 😂
Caption has Alan Morris. fs.
Should be irrelevant how you throw the dart as long as you throw it somehow.
The thumbnail with MVG on it is slightly deceptive.
cross was in the right
Best of nine legs and Dimitri was 5-3 leading. I stopped here. Impossible, match is over then
they meant first to 9 legs, but agree. Hard to watch this. I watched the whole thing and won't be watching any more from this channel.
The cross one is negligible. If you're that far over from the oche. The board is much farther from you than if you just stood at the raised platform. Also from the video it looks like he was basically in line with it. More whinging from a member of Taylor's pocket club Mervin King.
There was nothing illegal about Gerwyn Prices throw it was just a mistake from Gezzy thinking it was his throw
Whenever anyone "sPeAkS LiKe tHiS" this "narrator" is exactly how I imagine them sounding.
Ok, so I carried on watching....you on the one hand say Cross' throw was illegal because he was no longer touching the raised oche (which you don't have to do) then you say it was because he was ahead of the oche (which is not allowed) ....that's what Mervyn was saying. You don't have to touch the oche.
You can be as far left or right of the board (ignore the raised oche) as long as you are behind the oche line which you have to mentally visualise when you go off to the left or right (it just makes it harder as the more angle you create the further you have to throw the dart). You can stand 100m right or left of the board if you want just as long as you are standing behind a line that is seven feet nine and a quarter inches (237cm / 2.37m) from the board.
And, Mervyn King has never won the world championship (BDO or PDC)
And, the raised oche is only a thing because if it was flat and just a piece of tape denoting the line, the markers would have to be watching the position of the leading foot of the thrower. Its a raised oche for convenience and fairness. You don't have to be touching it.
And, fyi, the different coloured carpeted area around the oche is the exclusion zone that the player collecting their darts can't enter when the opponent is setting up to throw.
This video was probably made by ChatGPT
1:10 a storm of what?
It’s also stupid the oche is not wider. Or at least draw it on the floor ffs
I do hate it when RUclipsrs makes big mistakes like saying king was world champion. When ya a RUclipsr mistakes like this are magnified, and it’s kinda cringe that you mess up as blatantly as that. Just saying.
2:13 I hope double 19 isn’t pregnant after that
2:26 Ross Pray???
Just a few things you need to correct. It is spelled oche. Learn how to say controversy. King was never a world champion. It is Kirk not cork
he said kirk?
Except for King, he said everything correctly
This guys a fraud brev
He did spell oche wrong though
@@ZaneGrayMusicMaster1 ok
2:15 what did he do
It's not breaking the rules 2 gain an advantage I mean he threw it in anger like he didn't care it wasn't to cheat to win just in anger, I've done it in anger like yea who care I quit 😂😂😂
Rules are rules. Deal with it or go home.
Agreed!
He is touching the oche.
The rule is stupid.Why shouldn’t you be able to throw underarm..
I think referee should watch player how he shoot dart, referee looking on target only almost all the time
what a nonsense
I can't see why you should be able to throw your darts how you play your style aguy i new throw his darts from his waist and high scores on trebles. someone with two fingers on there right hand is it a crime its darts .throw at the board simple your behind the line all that matters 🤔😁
Fuck knows who Ross Pray and Karrick Bevins are
Why is it illegal to throw underarm,.that doesn't make any sense!
Because you have less control of your throw and you could hit the caller or the maker
jeez, gives you a head ache your whoosing effect to each new clip
Listen carefully to what you say at 6:28 - I know what you mean but they style and cadence of your delivery makes it sound all wrong. It's like you've no idea about any of this and are just reading (badly) someone else's script.
It’s nowhere near the treble 7
ONCE AGAIN A IMAGE OF MVG BUT NOTHING ABOUT HIM IN THE VIDEO.
Who the fck is ross pray?
Horrible editing
Most of this is you talking shit
Long....
I HATE Price and I think he should be banned from the sport. He is not a great excample for the sport.
How is this cheating 😂🤦♂️🤔
why are u talking like that
Why all the Drama for one Dart thrown in anger ? You Brits are Drama Queens lol!😂
The thumbnail is Vincent Van Der Voort not Michael Van Gerwen. I guess a crap thumbnail for a crap video.
Why is it illegal you trowe