the thing you have to keep in mind is that Hard Drives get slower the more filled they are since the head has to spin around the outside of the disk what takes physically longer of course.
Thank you for the real time test. Its great to see what we are getting. Knowing that a different drive can shave minutes to second when working with large files.
I really appreciate this video. I'm a film student and I was required to purchase a 1TB G-Drive that died in less than a month. I'm now looking for a replacement and wasn't sure what to get. Based on your video, I will purchase the T1. It might be expensive but I spent 189 on a hard drive that died in less than 4 weeks. If I would've purchased the Samsung to begin with, I wouldn't have this issue. So once again, thank you for the information and I will be buying the Samsung soon.
Tried it with my own USB 3.0 WD Elements for 60 bucks. A folder of similair size to what you have there took 19 seconds, the video file of very similar size took 37 seconds. Considering that my PC is now about 6 years old and that I upgraded it to USB 3.0 with a very cheap controller card I am pretty happy with that result.
Referring to hard drives as "memory" may confuse some people. Yes, hard drives are classed as non-volatile (or "permanent") memory, but "memory" is used in the computer world to refer to RAM (Random Access Memory), or the volatile memory. Hard/SSD drives are better being being referred to as that, or "storage". In other words, if someone goes into a shop asking for 1Tb of memory, they will probably get some blank stares.
mrman17 These days SSDs are classed as memory and hard drives are done as storage, the reason is that SSDs are only memory chips, no moving parts. 1 terabyte SSDs are fairly costly but getting out there, also the types of chips used also matters. The SSDs drives will blow the doors off everything without any trouble
mrman17 the general consumer often refers to storage space as memory; an IT technician in a specialty store will ask for memory and expect ram but id say a photographer in a general tech store in aussie land eg: jbhifi will simply get pointed towards hard drives, flash drives cant expect people to know the difference but for the most part memory for common people think of it as hdd or ssd technology, not RAM, though id say SSD blurs the line abit
I'm sure if anyone walks into a store and asks for 1tb of memory they'll know what that person was asking for.....you really think all the grandmothers of the world walk into stores asking with the correct terms?
Great video, if I have a critique it would be the screen in the back, and the constant "static" sound of your clothing, it's mostly for the intro, content is fine though, and once you start the review those annoyances are gone :D - this is 3 years ago so a lot could have happen since :D
Interesting video. Definitely puts things in perspective. I've been using a Seagate Backup Plus 4TB HDD that I paid ~$99 (on sale, now $139) about 6 mos. ago and is also quite fast (4800 mbs, attached to a Macbook Pro also). Thanks Matt!
Love this! Was just looking for a SSD option for backups in the Moroccan desert, and it sounds like the T1 is a clear winner! What people sometimes fail to consider is how critical transfer speeds can be in the field... every second faster that transfer completes is a second less the laptop needs to be powered on/draining battery.
will2114 it IS his fault. Theres no way he cant see the flickering screens when he edits the videos. He can turn the Damn thing off its not like hes using it
1:10 Solid State is still less reliable than spindle hard drives. I don't know the exact technical reasoning but I think it is because each memory cell of an SSD is required to pack in more data and therefore has increased wear and tear combined with the less reliable nature of NAND technology. The more data each cell carries the more times that cell is being written, read, modified and erased to. But I think what you were referring to is the reliability in the field as opposed to long term storage and long term read/write/modify/erase.
Great real-world practical test! This tells us everything we need to know to make the cost/benefit trade for portable storage. Is there any difference between the speed of the 3.5" or the Seagate drive? My only comment would be to run the test once onscreen to establish the test methodology, then skip to the results. That's what I did. Watching files copy is like watching paint dry. Thanks for the great info.
The refresh rate of that monitor behind you is kind of distracting! Good video though, the future of solid state storage is bright! Also, when you backup your photos do you only backup the raw files? Do you backup the final exported jpeg? Can the lightroom tweaks be stored with the raw file so you can go back and modify it later but not need to start from scratch? As I'm taking more pictures I'm getting more worried about how I backup my pictures. I'd rather start doing it correctly NOW!
I have many different storage devices that I carry around, cards, sticks and I also have a USB DVD burner for when the requirement for one arises. That tiny burner is Samsung with the same obsidian finish as your card. I carry them around in my bag with my cameras. I use a 2 terabyte WD My Passport for Mac for most of my storage requirements but it is not solid state, it is a magnetic hard drive. USB 2, 3 and Thunderbolt compatible but I made 2 partitions on it, one Mac and one MS DOS. All my other cards and such are MS DOS. I use the Mac partition for most things as I use them at home and university, but that DOS partition does come in handy if I have to use a PC or if I want to plug it in to my smart TV box which is Android. Do you do this with any of your storage devices? It is nowhere near as small as that Samsung card of yours but it is small enough to easily fit in my trouser pocket, side by side it is the same size as my wallet but I always keep it in my bags.
I recently put a SSD in my Toshiba laptop. The regular hard drive took 2 1/2 mins to boot all the way up. The SSD takes about 15 to 30 secs. Very happy with SSD.
When on the road, I usually take a 1TB 2.5" drive and back up all raw+jpeg to that, I keep a copy of the jpegs on my laptop's internal ssd, and leave all the files on my SD cards too - backing up every night. I generally shoot raw+jpeg - it can be convenient to have the jpegs for quick & dirty sharing, and I have had a case where a card corrupted and not everything could be recovered. At least a raw or jpeg of each image was recoverable though. That T1 looks epic - looking forward to that kind of thing becoming mainstream!
Hey man, fantastic video!! Puts things in perspective. Quick Q: for SSDs is there a speed difference between having it inside the computer (in my case a desktop) vs one that runs off of USB 3.0? (if that makes any sense? haha)
Matt, I' have a 128 GB storage macbook pro. which storage should I choose, JetDrive or Samsung T3?? It'll helpful to me, if you help me to select proper storage device :) :)
The Seagate Backup Plus Fast 4TB USB 3 drive has SSD speeds near the Samsung T1 SSD with 4TB of storage, and it's portable with only 1 usb cable! It's 5x faster than a good WD external USB 3 drive
I was just wondering if you had any problems using the T1 on your Mac? I was considering buying one but kept seeing reviews saying there were issues using it with Macs; something about drivers or encryption, or something to do with samsung bloatware associated with use of the T1, idk. I was hoping you or someone could help me with answering this question. Thanks to anyone in advance!
Nice test ! A tip:-) Let Tina do the test next time, watching time bars passing by for almost 15 minutes could use some distraction or tell us the theory behind the test methods and show us the results, everything in between is a waste of time (and this vid is about saving time, isn't it ;-)
Test would be better if it was a gaming pc that obviously would have usb 3.1 and a Samsung 850 evo that the writes to the external storage will be faster of the faster reads on the internal storage.
I keep thinking "he must be boiling or have stuck air conditioning or something" when I see you in that top, then I remember it's Winter in the Southern Hemisphere lol.
I'm not sure why you were surprised by this result. Even thou they all appear to be using the same USB3.0 interface, they aren't all the same. Newer devices like the Samsung T1 support the faster UASP protocol. They get more useful bits per second compared to transfers using the earlier USB 3.0 protocols. In addition the Samsung & other vendors SSD drives have been bottlenecked by the SATA 6G interface speeds. It is only now we are seeing SSD drives that use the PCIe NVMe Interfaces that people are realizing that the memory in the SSD drives can actually transfer at speeds above 2.5Gb/s. ie Approx 5x what you get from a normal SSD drive.
I had this LaCie Drive. The Controller died, all Files were lost. After formating the Harddrive in it (Samsung) is still working (after years of intense usage.
I think it's worth pointing out that it makes a difference if the memory is formatted or not. If it isn't the drive has to wipe the old data then write the new. Also it has to keep finding spaces between current files to write data. This is why drives tend to slow down over the life of a computer and data recovery is a thing.
That may be true for spinning hard disks, Bowie Sensei, but there was only one of those in contention here - the Lacie Porsche drive. All the rest were based on solid state memory, which does not slow down regardless of total disk space used. Storage and retrieval is serialized and not random like a hard disk, and slowdown only happens after years of hard use where stray electrons in memory cells cause data errors (this would kill something like a memory card or a USB drive, but a SSD would keep on trucking because it reserves spare memory cells for these sorts of situations).
As far as I understand SSDs do have to delete old data before writing new, though TRIM software on modern OSes does this at time of deletion, and to keep them running at a good speed you should leave about 15% empty, though I make no claims to be an IT pro. www.howtogeek.com/165542/why-solid-state-drives-slow-down-as-you-fill-them-up/
SSD's are the only devices that support TRIM commands and garbage collection algorithms. USB flash drives and memory cards do not because their controllers are quite simple in their IC logic. As such, the only drive in the video that would benefit from formatting is the Samsung drive... and even then, it wouldn't be that much different because controllers and memory allocation algorithms have come a long way since that HowToGeek article (and the AnandTech articles it was based off of) was written. It would be, at most, probably a difference of a few MB/s between nearly full and 'dirty' and a clean format.
SSD is king, both my custom PC and laptop run on SSD's. I couldn't go back to using normal HDD in those, the price is also falling every other week! I was actually surprised at how slow the SD card was. By the way, for future reference you can get programs that will test a hard disk read and write speed :)
Just ordered the T1 and was looking for some video reviews on it...got the 500gb for $180US. Thanks for the review...feel better about my purchase after watching how fast it is....your facial reaction was priceless when testing the T1!
there is no such thing as stable storage, if you dont want to lose anything, have a copy on your main, your raid and across the country, blu-ray disks honestly are the safest way to store photos for a LONG period of time, create and archive.
that T1 is legit but i there is no reason for me to have it. i usually back my stuff up once i get to a computer and even if im going to be transferring like 60gb of data, i can just start it over night and even if it takes hours its all good and dandy.
love the video, but you could just run a "Blackmagic Disk" speed test for Mac OS. This is a free app, lets you measure the performance of storage devices. will you now be known as "That Sony guy"
I think perhaps a benefit of doing it this way is that it seems less tech and more real life. GB/s measurements doesn't say so much to some of the viewers.
These suggestions are the result of 3 hours of research: Large cheap storage that you're not going to take places: get a 2.5 HDD drive Best compact USB storage: there's a new Lexar micro sd USB that's almost twice as fast as the one he tested (similar price) Cheap Samsung t3 alternative: buy a 60gb kingston msata ssd (£28) and an msata enclosure (£6) = £35 for similar speeds, same form factor. But no security and less durable Tiny, durable, super fast, expensive: Samsung t1 & t3
I think ssds are great but for storage too small and too expensive, just get a small ssd and edit ur pictures there and then put them onto a hard drive,
That kingston keys write specs are really crap, only rated to 15MB/s write barely better than a usb 2.0 drive Something like the Sandisk extreme pro usb 3.0 is rated to 240MB/s or about half the speed of the ssd. The link to the Samsung T1 is to a US store in US dollars. The Aussie price from local suppliers is around $779. You'd get similar performance from any 1tb 2.5" ssd in a decent usb3 enclosure for under $600.
magottyk You'd also get 1TB of fucked data if you bash it for under $600. The beauty of SSD's is they have no moving parts and are incredibly robust against any and all forms of trauma. You'd need to snap the bugger or sit next to a powerful electro magnet to kill the thing. Or drown it lol. Even then the actual storage part will likely be fine, it'll be the logic that it's connected to that would need replacing. Remember, he travels a lot, by air. Ground crew aren't well known for their giving a shit about what's in your bags and not all airlines allow much in the way of carry on space/weight. He travels to some pretty obscure places too where you're not going to be in your typical 737 or something.
TalesOfWar You do realise that for $600 that is a 1TB SSD, not a mechanical platter drive, which you could put together for around $120 for 1TB. www.mwave.com.au/product/samsung-850-evo-1tb-25-sata-iii-ssd-mz75e1t0-ab59176 and A decent 2.5" enclosure is only about $30. No moving parts anywhere. Oh and 2.5" platter drives aren't that fragile that they'd become useless if you dropped them. SSDs aren't without issues either, it's possible to zap them into uselessness if you don't unplug them properly.
magottyk I trust SSD's more than HDD's for traveling around the world where there's a good chance my bags are going to be thrown around and the things inside them exposed to massive temperature shifts. If it's stuck on your desk all the time or in your laptop bag commuting to and from the office then an HDD is fine, but I wouldn't trust it nearly as much for the kind of traveling Matt does.
TalesOfWar _"I trust SSD's more than HDD's for traveling around the world"_ And for under $600, that's what you'd get. A Solid State Drive of One Terra Byte capacity in an aluminium enclosure (unless you prefer plastic). The only thing you got to check with a DIY setup is the enclosures ability to get the write speeds to match the drive, but even the older usb3 enclosures will get 170MB/s, while if you do your research, you will find enclosures with the electronics to get around 450MB/s write speeds. E.g. two different USB 3 enclosures, two different write outcomes. www.legitreviews.com/inateck-fe2006-review-usb-external-drive-with-uasp_155530/4 www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6508/vantec-nexstar-tx-2-5-inch-usb-3-0-external-storage-enclosure-review/index.html
used to love your work but now not so much now, please keep to the stuff you know, computer hardware is definitely where you're at a week point and so do not pretend to know about this to get likes or subscriptions, there are much better people on the net that know much more about this subject, so please keep to photography
Des Poonsamy I don't know what the problem is, this is a great real-world test. This gave us everything we needed to know when selecting portable storage.
Des Poonsamy It's not really for people in the know it's more for people travelling and also people who need storage but not sure what to get. To be honest this is a really good and simple review cost is one thing but looking at HDD and SSDs most reviewers only do them via IDE and whinge about how it took a SSD drive 3 seconds to transfer a poxy 20 gigs of data. The USB will be the real bottle neck in this video but is better to have simple real world transfer times done than saying X drive was this.
Really, the difference you demonstrated between the SSD and the HDD isn't that significant considering the MASSIVE price difference between them. A Samsung T1 500GB (SSD) on Amazon, is £160, as opposed to a Samsung M3 500GB (HDD) at £36. And for what? To save a few seconds? And let's not forget that SSD has a finite number of write cycles. I'll stick to HDDs as my portable storage.
solesupremebeing If all you are trying to do is backup your data I'd definitely agree. Copy everything over and get a cup of coffee (the price difference will pay for a lot of coffee!) If you are trying to work off of it however, the difference is significant. But in that case perhaps its better to invest in the SSD internal and copy over your working files to the laptop. I know LR sped up considerably on my desktop with an internal SSD.
Chrismzeller Yup, SSDs offer the most benefit internally, when running software from it. But at the cost it is at the moment, I really don't see any worthy benefit of using SSD for storage.
All storage have limited writes & failures. It doesn't seem logical to over-focus on SSD failure modes when HDDs fails as well and are extremely likely to die from user dropping the device. Writes errors after long periods of use ought to be preferred over HDD's write heads failing and destroying the entire disk? So far I have had loads of HDDs die on me, everything from after long use to dead-on-arrival. Ymmv, but SSDs seems reliable enough, considering the alternative.
solesupremebeing As professional photographers have to deal with massive data per job, the transfer speed is a huge difference between waiting 3 hours only for copy 200 GB files compare to 20 minutes. In a year, we can save weeks from that.
SSD is not the future, they fail quick and are not recoverable. Don't use them for storage, laptop drives have sensors that protect the heads if dropped or bumped.
will f That's an old wives tale. SSDs do wear with writes, but it's only a theoretical problem unless you plan to live to be 1000 years old: techreport.com/review/27436/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-two-freaking-petabytes They are ultimately FAR more reliable than platter drives, and if you're relying on data recovery services as your backup plan you're missing the point entirely. Make backup copies on a second drive if the content is that important.
will f What both of your links can't seem to contradict is that SSD is better for working purposes. The first test shows all disks working acceptably until the 700TB mark. As the author says, the average user (which I believe would include the average "amateur" photographer, which either doesn't use RAW or doesn't work on all of its RAW files - I'll reckon professional photographers might have more demanding needs, though) writes only a few TB per year. If we're talking about someone who works on 10TB of data every year, that's 70 years of reliability. If we're talking about someone who works on 100TB/year (which might include some professional photographers, although I'm not sure on that, as I'm not one - but keep in mind that there are many levels of professional photography), we're still talking about 7 years of reliability. On the other hand, the most current statistical analysis I've seen regarding HDDs (www.backblaze.com/blog/best-hard-drive/) points to an average life expectancy around 2 to 3 years (the ones with 4 and 5 are the rarities), with the higher capacity HDDs closer to 2 years. Of course we're talking about average life expectancy, which means some HDDs last 10 years, while others might last months. But all the SDDs in the test would last 7 years for someone writing 100TB/year, and much more for less demanding users. Again, all of this is regarding disks meant for working usage, not storage. For storage, everything changes: - your last link becomes more relevant (and worrying, to be honest) - although 2 years is more than acceptable, the need to keep the temperature controlled within 5-10ºC during that time is... unexpected. - the write rate probably drops a bit, since you'd mostly write once, until the limit of the HDD/SDD; - for storage, we're not talking about laptop drives - we're talking about external HDDs (either 2.5" or 3.5"), which may or may not have the same protection, but certainly won't be able to use it when it's being moved disconnected - which is usually when the drops happen. THIS is the main disadvantage of HDDs IMO, and the reason why I'm considering something like a Transcend Shock Resistant/Military Drop Tested HDD after losing two HDDs (one 2.5" and one 3.5") in the last 2 years. It won't save the disk forever, but it might (hopeful, I know) protect it for a few drops or bumps and keep it alive a bit longer.
Dear Matt, This is a useless test, it shows nothing. Many SSDs write very fast when the drive is empty, but begin to exponentially slow down as the drive fills up. For a proper test you should transfer data that is the full capacity of the drive to see and compare with others. In addition, you should test them at the speeds of their Writes...i.e. use them in a camera and record high Bit Rate footage like Slow-Motion or 4K.
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the thing you have to keep in mind is that Hard Drives get slower the more filled they are since the head has to spin around the outside of the disk what takes physically longer of course.
T1 - I am SO getting one of those!
Thanks Matt - very informative and useful as always.
BaddaBigBoom T1’s can get up to 70 degrees Centigrade
Thank you for the real time test. Its great to see what we are getting. Knowing that a different drive can shave minutes to second when working with large files.
I really appreciate this video. I'm a film student and I was required to purchase a 1TB G-Drive that died in less than a month. I'm now looking for a replacement and wasn't sure what to get. Based on your video, I will purchase the T1. It might be expensive but I spent 189 on a hard drive that died in less than 4 weeks. If I would've purchased the Samsung to begin with, I wouldn't have this issue. So once again, thank you for the information and I will be buying the Samsung soon.
Tried it with my own USB 3.0 WD Elements for 60 bucks. A folder of similair size to what you have there took 19 seconds, the video file of very similar size took 37 seconds. Considering that my PC is now about 6 years old and that I upgraded it to USB 3.0 with a very cheap controller card I am pretty happy with that result.
Referring to hard drives as "memory" may confuse some people. Yes, hard drives are classed as non-volatile (or "permanent") memory, but "memory" is used in the computer world to refer to RAM (Random Access Memory), or the volatile memory.
Hard/SSD drives are better being being referred to as that, or "storage".
In other words, if someone goes into a shop asking for 1Tb of memory, they will probably get some blank stares.
mrman17 I am confident that anyone who watched the video will know what I was referring to.
mrman17 These days SSDs are classed as memory and hard drives are done as storage, the reason is that SSDs are only memory chips, no moving parts.
1 terabyte SSDs are fairly costly but getting out there, also the types of chips used also matters.
The SSDs drives will blow the doors off everything without any trouble
mrman17 the general consumer often refers to storage space as memory; an IT technician in a specialty store will ask for memory and expect ram
but id say a photographer in a general tech store in aussie land eg: jbhifi will simply get pointed towards hard drives, flash drives
cant expect people to know the difference but for the most part memory for common people think of it as hdd or ssd technology, not RAM, though id say SSD blurs the line abit
I'm sure if anyone walks into a store and asks for 1tb of memory they'll know what that person was asking for.....you really think all the grandmothers of the world walk into stores asking with the correct terms?
Great video, if I have a critique it would be the screen in the back, and the constant "static" sound of your clothing, it's mostly for the intro, content is fine though, and once you start the review those annoyances are gone :D - this is 3 years ago so a lot could have happen since :D
Can you do this test again using newer tech IE flash drives and sd cards. Im interested.
Interesting video. Definitely puts things in perspective. I've been using a Seagate Backup Plus 4TB HDD that I paid ~$99 (on sale, now $139) about 6 mos. ago and is also quite fast (4800 mbs, attached to a Macbook Pro also). Thanks Matt!
AWSOME video!! Two thumbs up!
Love this! Was just looking for a SSD option for backups in the Moroccan desert, and it sounds like the T1 is a clear winner! What people sometimes fail to consider is how critical transfer speeds can be in the field... every second faster that transfer completes is a second less the laptop needs to be powered on/draining battery.
your videos would be more enjoyable without flickering screens in the background
Keshav Gowreesunker it’s not his fault, but the cameras shutter effect from something like an SLR.
will2114 it IS his fault.
Theres no way he cant see the flickering screens when he edits the videos. He can turn the Damn thing off its not like hes using it
1:10 Solid State is still less reliable than spindle hard drives. I don't know the exact technical reasoning but I think it is because each memory cell of an SSD is required to pack in more data and therefore has increased wear and tear combined with the less reliable nature of NAND technology.
The more data each cell carries the more times that cell is being written, read, modified and erased to.
But I think what you were referring to is the reliability in the field as opposed to long term storage and long term read/write/modify/erase.
Great comparison video. I am not surprised by the results though.
Great real-world practical test! This tells us everything we need to know to make the cost/benefit trade for portable storage. Is there any difference between the speed of the 3.5" or the Seagate drive?
My only comment would be to run the test once onscreen to establish the test methodology, then skip to the results. That's what I did. Watching files copy is like watching paint dry.
Thanks for the great info.
The refresh rate of that monitor behind you is kind of distracting! Good video though, the future of solid state storage is bright! Also, when you backup your photos do you only backup the raw files? Do you backup the final exported jpeg? Can the lightroom tweaks be stored with the raw file so you can go back and modify it later but not need to start from scratch? As I'm taking more pictures I'm getting more worried about how I backup my pictures. I'd rather start doing it correctly NOW!
Great video, I'm looking for a new external drive and this was very helpful, thanks!
The T1 got Encryption AES 256-bit built in if you want to use it.
Would it actually make sense to have your Lightroom catalog and library entirely on a SSD?
If camera'a were designed to use these Samsung memory then they could reduce or prevent buffering ?
Hey!
You should check out SanDisk Extreme 500 and Extreme 900 series.
I have many different storage devices that I carry around, cards, sticks and I also have a USB DVD burner for when the requirement for one arises. That tiny burner is Samsung with the same obsidian finish as your card. I carry them around in my bag with my cameras. I use a 2 terabyte WD My Passport for Mac for most of my storage requirements but it is not solid state, it is a magnetic hard drive. USB 2, 3 and Thunderbolt compatible but I made 2 partitions on it, one Mac and one MS DOS. All my other cards and such are MS DOS. I use the Mac partition for most things as I use them at home and university, but that DOS partition does come in handy if I have to use a PC or if I want to plug it in to my smart TV box which is Android. Do you do this with any of your storage devices? It is nowhere near as small as that Samsung card of yours but it is small enough to easily fit in my trouser pocket, side by side it is the same size as my wallet but I always keep it in my bags.
You must trying the lexar 128GB jumpdrive P20 .
I've heard that the on-board SD card reader on the MBP isn't super fast. Faster speeds could be achieved with an outboard USB3 or Thunderbolt reader
I recently put a SSD in my Toshiba laptop. The regular hard drive took 2 1/2 mins to boot all the way up. The SSD takes about 15 to 30 secs. Very happy with SSD.
When on the road, I usually take a 1TB 2.5" drive and back up all raw+jpeg to that, I keep a copy of the jpegs on my laptop's internal ssd, and leave all the files on my SD cards too - backing up every night.
I generally shoot raw+jpeg - it can be convenient to have the jpegs for quick & dirty sharing, and I have had a case where a card corrupted and not everything could be recovered. At least a raw or jpeg of each image was recoverable though.
That T1 looks epic - looking forward to that kind of thing becoming mainstream!
Hey man, fantastic video!! Puts things in perspective. Quick Q: for SSDs is there a speed difference between having it inside the computer (in my case a desktop) vs one that runs off of USB 3.0? (if that makes any sense? haha)
Matt, I' have a 128 GB storage macbook pro. which storage should I choose, JetDrive or Samsung T3?? It'll helpful to me, if you help me to select proper storage device :) :)
The Seagate Backup Plus Fast 4TB USB 3 drive has SSD speeds near the Samsung T1 SSD with 4TB of storage, and it's portable with only 1 usb cable! It's 5x faster than a good WD external USB 3 drive
is it so cold in australia?
I was just wondering if you had any problems using the T1 on your Mac? I was considering buying one but kept seeing reviews saying there were issues using it with Macs; something about drivers or encryption, or something to do with samsung bloatware associated with use of the T1, idk. I was hoping you or someone could help me with answering this question. Thanks to anyone in advance!
+dfhdjlfh no issues for me
i just got the 2TB Samsung T5... good stuff man
Great comparison
Oh and can't wait to see you on Tony and Chelsea's show next week, should be great :)
ZG0002 What?? When? How?
***** and he's totally correct about DXO mark too,
Nice test !
A tip:-)
Let Tina do the test next time, watching time bars passing by for almost 15 minutes could use some distraction or tell us the theory behind the test methods and show us the results, everything in between is a waste of time (and this vid is about saving time, isn't it ;-)
The best way to actually compare speeds would be if every destination (HD, USB pen, memory card) would be formated
Test would be better if it was a gaming pc that obviously would have usb 3.1 and a Samsung 850 evo that the writes to the external storage will be faster of the faster reads on the internal storage.
I keep thinking "he must be boiling or have stuck air conditioning or something" when I see you in that top, then I remember it's Winter in the Southern Hemisphere lol.
excellent video bud, reeally help made up my mind .... thanks
what about read speed?
Jumpdrive is from Lexar, not from Transcend!
What year is this????
I'm not sure why you were surprised by this result. Even thou they all appear to be using the same USB3.0 interface, they aren't all the same. Newer devices like the Samsung T1 support the faster UASP protocol. They get more useful bits per second compared to transfers using the earlier USB 3.0 protocols.
In addition the Samsung & other vendors SSD drives have been bottlenecked by the SATA 6G interface speeds. It is only now we are seeing SSD drives that use the PCIe NVMe Interfaces that people are realizing that the memory in the SSD drives can actually transfer at speeds above 2.5Gb/s. ie Approx 5x what you get from a normal SSD drive.
Great video, I'm thinking of getting one myself.
Can u use a Win10 to see a real transfering speed???
you don't tested your red seagate HDD ?
Samsung T1. Samung the last few years really been making some great SSD cards top 2 or 3 best ssd card on the market with out a question.
Please tell me whats the name of the sushi restaurant that is almost as delicious as jiro you talked about on the other video, need to know plz :P
Agustin Escalante haha, nope sorry. Insider secret
Lol, thats so troll D:
I had this LaCie Drive. The Controller died, all Files were lost. After formating the Harddrive in it (Samsung) is still working (after years of intense usage.
I think it's worth pointing out that it makes a difference if the memory is formatted or not. If it isn't the drive has to wipe the old data then write the new. Also it has to keep finding spaces between current files to write data. This is why drives tend to slow down over the life of a computer and data recovery is a thing.
That may be true for spinning hard disks, Bowie Sensei, but there was only one of those in contention here - the Lacie Porsche drive. All the rest were based on solid state memory, which does not slow down regardless of total disk space used. Storage and retrieval is serialized and not random like a hard disk, and slowdown only happens after years of hard use where stray electrons in memory cells cause data errors (this would kill something like a memory card or a USB drive, but a SSD would keep on trucking because it reserves spare memory cells for these sorts of situations).
As far as I understand SSDs do have to delete old data before writing new, though TRIM software on modern OSes does this at time of deletion, and to keep them running at a good speed you should leave about 15% empty, though I make no claims to be an IT pro. www.howtogeek.com/165542/why-solid-state-drives-slow-down-as-you-fill-them-up/
SSD's are the only devices that support TRIM commands and garbage collection algorithms. USB flash drives and memory cards do not because their controllers are quite simple in their IC logic. As such, the only drive in the video that would benefit from formatting is the Samsung drive... and even then, it wouldn't be that much different because controllers and memory allocation algorithms have come a long way since that HowToGeek article (and the AnandTech articles it was based off of) was written. It would be, at most, probably a difference of a few MB/s between nearly full and 'dirty' and a clean format.
Nice testing. I use an external drive called Seagate.
SSD is king, both my custom PC and laptop run on SSD's. I couldn't go back to using normal HDD in those, the price is also falling every other week! I was actually surprised at how slow the SD card was.
By the way, for future reference you can get programs that will test a hard disk read and write speed :)
very crunchy jacket, I kept hoping you wouldn't move, it was distracting! great video though 😊
Go for a sshd a part solid state and part hard drive I’ve got one it’s really good never let me down
Just ordered the T1 and was looking for some video reviews on it...got the 500gb for $180US. Thanks for the review...feel better about my purchase after watching how fast it is....your facial reaction was priceless when testing the T1!
Is the new SSD T3 Faster than T1 ?
wow long drawn out foreeever even with spiking most of it, was torcher, simple and sweet the are best reviews
Hi Matt, for some reason you look spookily like Hitler with your moustache
Yep! I got one ssd for my old laptop which had hdd before and now it has another life! Better life! So freaking fast and smoothththththtt :)
you should have used the free blackmagic speed test app dude!
Pytanie, czy to zrobione jest w chinach
(People's Republic of China). Krótko mówiąc chińszczyna ?
For more scientific testing on a mac, get "Blackmagic Disk Speed Test"
That flickering on the background monitor is super disturbing ....do your 1 + 1 math and set a proper shutter speed to your camera dude.
WD Passport Pro in RAID1 configuration
Skip to 12:34 for the comparison.
I boot my iMac from a T1, works well, very happy.
try SSD x USB-C port x Thunderbolt 3
this vid was in 2015
Holy cow!!! The Samsung is incredible! :D
there is no such thing as stable storage, if you dont want to lose anything, have a copy on your main, your raid and across the country, blu-ray disks honestly are the safest way to store photos for a LONG period of time, create and archive.
that T1 is legit but i there is no reason for me to have it. i usually back my stuff up once i get to a computer and even if im going to be transferring like 60gb of data, i can just start it over night and even if it takes hours its all good and dandy.
Great video, but my head and eyes really hurt from that flickering monitor in the back. :-(
I don't trust flash memory to store my data.
8:59 "OH" priceless
Dude, you are on a mac use the unix dd command...
when I travel I use a Kingston DataTraveler HyperX Predator 1TB Thumb Drive (holiday) and 2X SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2TB SSD in RAID 1 (work)
got 2 of the Samsung T1 500gig because of this video
That T1 did not take 3 seconds, it was more like 1 second.
that bloody flickering screen in the background is too annoying.
Jump to 12:34 to skip watching files transfer
love the video, but you could just run a "Blackmagic Disk" speed test for Mac OS. This is a free app, lets you measure the performance of storage devices. will you now be known as "That Sony guy"
I think perhaps a benefit of doing it this way is that it seems less tech and more real life. GB/s measurements doesn't say so much to some of the viewers.
...Nice Jacket,Either you need heat on,Or your going to the slopes ASAP ;-) :-P
These suggestions are the result of 3 hours of research:
Large cheap storage that you're not going to take places: get a 2.5 HDD drive
Best compact USB storage: there's a new Lexar micro sd USB that's almost twice as fast as the one he tested (similar price)
Cheap Samsung t3 alternative: buy a 60gb kingston msata ssd (£28) and an msata enclosure (£6) = £35 for similar speeds, same form factor. But no security and less durable
Tiny, durable, super fast, expensive: Samsung t1 & t3
can't pay attention with that picture in the background....
Mortal of story: give more 💰 for more quality.
Oh cool I'll get a T1
JESUS $400
Hmm
cheatingthesystem21
Here it cost $589 in Canada... it's a shame...
I'll wait a year and the cost will drop significantly like usual.
Paul Diat are you referring to Yeshua?
damn, that samsung was fast! I think I need one now lol
I think ssds are great but for storage too small and too expensive, just get a small ssd and edit ur pictures there and then put them onto a hard drive,
That kingston keys write specs are really crap, only rated to 15MB/s write barely better than a usb 2.0 drive
Something like the Sandisk extreme pro usb 3.0 is rated to 240MB/s or about half the speed of the ssd.
The link to the Samsung T1 is to a US store in US dollars. The Aussie price from local suppliers is around $779.
You'd get similar performance from any 1tb 2.5" ssd in a decent usb3 enclosure for under $600.
magottyk You'd also get 1TB of fucked data if you bash it for under $600. The beauty of SSD's is they have no moving parts and are incredibly robust against any and all forms of trauma. You'd need to snap the bugger or sit next to a powerful electro magnet to kill the thing. Or drown it lol. Even then the actual storage part will likely be fine, it'll be the logic that it's connected to that would need replacing. Remember, he travels a lot, by air. Ground crew aren't well known for their giving a shit about what's in your bags and not all airlines allow much in the way of carry on space/weight. He travels to some pretty obscure places too where you're not going to be in your typical 737 or something.
TalesOfWar I find offensive that you refers "obscure places" to any country that isn't your first world cliche country.
TalesOfWar
You do realise that for $600 that is a 1TB SSD, not a mechanical platter drive, which you could put together for around $120 for 1TB.
www.mwave.com.au/product/samsung-850-evo-1tb-25-sata-iii-ssd-mz75e1t0-ab59176
and
A decent 2.5" enclosure is only about $30.
No moving parts anywhere.
Oh and 2.5" platter drives aren't that fragile that they'd become useless if you dropped them.
SSDs aren't without issues either, it's possible to zap them into uselessness if you don't unplug them properly.
magottyk I trust SSD's more than HDD's for traveling around the world where there's a good chance my bags are going to be thrown around and the things inside them exposed to massive temperature shifts. If it's stuck on your desk all the time or in your laptop bag commuting to and from the office then an HDD is fine, but I wouldn't trust it nearly as much for the kind of traveling Matt does.
TalesOfWar
_"I trust SSD's more than HDD's for traveling around the world"_
And for under $600, that's what you'd get.
A Solid State Drive of One Terra Byte capacity in an aluminium enclosure (unless you prefer plastic).
The only thing you got to check with a DIY setup is the enclosures ability to get the write speeds to match the drive, but even the older usb3 enclosures will get 170MB/s, while if you do your research, you will find enclosures with the electronics to get around 450MB/s write speeds.
E.g. two different USB 3 enclosures, two different write outcomes.
www.legitreviews.com/inateck-fe2006-review-usb-external-drive-with-uasp_155530/4
www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6508/vantec-nexstar-tx-2-5-inch-usb-3-0-external-storage-enclosure-review/index.html
used to love your work but now not so much now, please keep to the stuff you know, computer hardware is definitely where you're at a week point and so do not pretend to know about this to get likes or subscriptions, there are much better people on the net that know much more about this subject, so please keep to photography
Des Poonsamy I don't know what the problem is, this is a great real-world test. This gave us everything we needed to know when selecting portable storage.
Des Poonsamy It's not really for people in the know it's more for people travelling and also people who need storage but not sure what to get.
To be honest this is a really good and simple review cost is one thing but looking at HDD and SSDs most reviewers only do them via IDE and whinge about how it took a SSD drive 3 seconds to transfer a poxy 20 gigs of data.
The USB will be the real bottle neck in this video but is better to have simple real world transfer times done than saying X drive was this.
just picked up a sandisk ultra 2 SSD for my desktop PC
the porker is 5-6 years old and was once king of the hill but now is slow....
Really, the difference you demonstrated between the SSD and the HDD isn't that significant considering the MASSIVE price difference between them. A Samsung T1 500GB (SSD) on Amazon, is £160, as opposed to a Samsung M3 500GB (HDD) at £36. And for what? To save a few seconds? And let's not forget that SSD has a finite number of write cycles. I'll stick to HDDs as my portable storage.
solesupremebeing If all you are trying to do is backup your data I'd definitely agree. Copy everything over and get a cup of coffee (the price difference will pay for a lot of coffee!) If you are trying to work off of it however, the difference is significant. But in that case perhaps its better to invest in the SSD internal and copy over your working files to the laptop. I know LR sped up considerably on my desktop with an internal SSD.
Chrismzeller Yup, SSDs offer the most benefit internally, when running software from it. But at the cost it is at the moment, I really don't see any worthy benefit of using SSD for storage.
Forget speed. The value for portable storage is the lack of moving parts. And size.
All storage have limited writes & failures. It doesn't seem logical to over-focus on SSD failure modes when HDDs fails as well and are extremely likely to die from user dropping the device. Writes errors after long periods of use ought to be preferred over HDD's write heads failing and destroying the entire disk?
So far I have had loads of HDDs die on me, everything from after long use to dead-on-arrival. Ymmv, but SSDs seems reliable enough, considering the alternative.
solesupremebeing As professional photographers have to deal with massive data per job, the transfer speed is a huge difference between waiting 3 hours only for copy 200 GB files compare to 20 minutes. In a year, we can save weeks from that.
Now he just needs to learn to make a decent video.
Are you a kiwi? If not what accent is that?
SSD is not the future, they fail quick and are not recoverable. Don't use them for storage, laptop drives have sensors that protect the heads if dropped or bumped.
will f That's an old wives tale. SSDs do wear with writes, but it's only a theoretical problem unless you plan to live to be 1000 years old:
techreport.com/review/27436/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-two-freaking-petabytes
They are ultimately FAR more reliable than platter drives, and if you're relying on data recovery services as your backup plan you're missing the point entirely. Make backup copies on a second drive if the content is that important.
techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
www.zdnet.com/article/solid-state-disks-lose-data-if-left-without-power-for-just-a-few-days/
will f What both of your links can't seem to contradict is that SSD is better for working purposes. The first test shows all disks working acceptably until the 700TB mark. As the author says, the average user (which I believe would include the average "amateur" photographer, which either doesn't use RAW or doesn't work on all of its RAW files - I'll reckon professional photographers might have more demanding needs, though) writes only a few TB per year. If we're talking about someone who works on 10TB of data every year, that's 70 years of reliability.
If we're talking about someone who works on 100TB/year (which might include some professional photographers, although I'm not sure on that, as I'm not one - but keep in mind that there are many levels of professional photography), we're still talking about 7 years of reliability.
On the other hand, the most current statistical analysis I've seen regarding HDDs (www.backblaze.com/blog/best-hard-drive/) points to an average life expectancy around 2 to 3 years (the ones with 4 and 5 are the rarities), with the higher capacity HDDs closer to 2 years.
Of course we're talking about average life expectancy, which means some HDDs last 10 years, while others might last months.
But all the SDDs in the test would last 7 years for someone writing 100TB/year, and much more for less demanding users.
Again, all of this is regarding disks meant for working usage, not storage. For storage, everything changes:
- your last link becomes more relevant (and worrying, to be honest) - although 2 years is more than acceptable, the need to keep the temperature controlled within 5-10ºC during that time is... unexpected.
- the write rate probably drops a bit, since you'd mostly write once, until the limit of the HDD/SDD;
- for storage, we're not talking about laptop drives - we're talking about external HDDs (either 2.5" or 3.5"), which may or may not have the same protection, but certainly won't be able to use it when it's being moved disconnected - which is usually when the drops happen.
THIS is the main disadvantage of HDDs IMO, and the reason why I'm considering something like a Transcend Shock Resistant/Military Drop Tested HDD after losing two HDDs (one 2.5" and one 3.5") in the last 2 years. It won't save the disk forever, but it might (hopeful, I know) protect it for a few drops or bumps and keep it alive a bit longer.
Dear Matt,
This is a useless test, it shows nothing. Many SSDs write very fast when the drive is empty, but begin to exponentially slow down as the drive fills up. For a proper test you should transfer data that is the full capacity of the drive to see and compare with others. In addition, you should test them at the speeds of their Writes...i.e.
use them in a camera and record high Bit Rate footage like Slow-Motion
or 4K.
annoyboyPictures any drive will slow down when fill up. This is very useful test.
tom nguyen
Not true. Some SSDs are Server Grade and have a consistent Write Rate.
anaconda.mov :D looooool
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