A fun fact about Frieza's Golden and Black forms were just from Toriyama's credit cards. He had a golden one, and a stronger (more expensive/rich) black credit card; and so in classic Toriyama fashion, he would implement that into Frieza's arsenal of forms :D
I think using SSGod as the more frequent transformation and never creating SSJB would've made a more interesting path. Allowing Vegeta to get UE and Goku UI to show how they diverged due to personality. Essentially starting their "generic god path" and letting them discover their own specialty
Ok lemme help you. Ssj grade 1: Standard super sayian, if unrefined it can lead to reckless decision making and a nearly uncontrollably need for urge for battle. Ssj grade 2: Augmented form of the super sayian form. Basically stole Friezas notes from his 100% form. More power but at the cost of stamina drain. Ssj grade 3: A useless super sayian augmentation to gain even more power at the cost of heavier stamina drain, mental fatique kicks in alot quicker and your speed is nerfed badly due to your giant muscles... somehow Broly doesnt have that problem. Ssj grade 4: An evolved super sayian transformation that nolonger causes any mental compromises due to sayian blood running, they can compete at peak performance for much longer than tbe other grades and have little stamina drain. Ssj2 2: A augmented super sayian form but far more refined than that of grade 2 and 3 which only puffs up their muscles for a mediocre increase. Once figured out its much easier to tap into...unless you dont train for a decade...gohan. Ssj3: Not as useless as Grade 3's power lifting form. Its a boosted version of ssj2, more power but at the cost of heavier stamina drain even in a idle state. Ssg: Simple. After the ritual the user must figure out how to concentrate their ki for it to mix into god ki, unrefined it has a time limit, but once mastered it can be a massive boost in power and speed without any stamina drain. Ssb: Ssg but multiply it by 50 and dye the hair blue. Its an super sayian version of the god ki, its a powerful transformation but at the cost of a steep stamina drain especially when 100% or a kaioken is also pushed in. UI Omen: Unrefined and unstable UI, Goku starting to understand the mindset of UI can pull off this transformation but with its stability at risk. "True" UI: An Omen variant that sacrifices some of its evasion and power for less stamina drain and more sayian instinct optimization. Mastered UI: Goku after extensive training can now enter the full ultra instinct at will without any need for life or death situations or emotional triggers. UE: Vegetas G.O.D form, a powerhouse of a transformation that feeds off of battle and growing stronger even through the host being damaged, it has the potentional to infinitely become stronger as long as Vegeta is still conscious. Ultimate: Gohan had all of his potential unlocked by Elder Kai, his power seemingly limitless. Beast: Gohans deep primal sayian rage was always at war his humanity, his true power even as a kid only coming out in small bursts, but now Gohan has fully weaponized his unbridled emotions to match even the Legendary Super Sayian. Lssj: The original, the ancestral gene of super sayian that has near bottemless pit of power and rage, easy to see why Frieza was terrified of the legends. The original super sayian transformations is alot higher than times 50, high enough that even Broly has to sometimes let out energy to keep his senses, in one case frieza being beaten up for an hour straight. Lssj (controlled): The power is slightly nerfed but in exchange for full sanity and less mental fatique.
Kachi Katchin Steel has the ability to enhance anyone who is standing on it or near the material. During the Tournament of Power Arc the Grand Minister chose Kachi Katchin Steel as the material to be used in the creation of the Arena do to it's power enhancing properties and healing attribute. During the Battle Royale many fighters took advantage of the Kachi Steel which enhanced their own fighting strengths allowing some Saiyans the ability to become or go Super Saiyan in the matter of minutes compared to a lifetime of training. It is unsure if they kept these abilities after the tournament.
Nah man you're exaggerating . i dont even like super but even i can't say that blue is undeserved, they clearly trained hard for it and that was the result, you compared it to ssj2 which was just a rage boost same as the ssbevolution you said
To be honest super is an amazing series but most debates in the dragon ball fandom are caused due to lack of explanation in super like Saiyan beyond god and super saiyan 4 gogeta vs cabba
SSB also makes no sense as Goku states that SSB is a calm and focused state and yet, SSJ is a rage-induced state. So how do you use rage to induce a calm state? When Goku went SSB vs Broly, you can see the rage and anger when Goku was sliding from SSG to SSB and once in SSB, he started calming down. The other issue is, how many times have Goku and Vegeta gained power boosts in SSB using rage?
Who else would’ve been cool if Freiza was equal to SSG Goku and Vegeta and at the very end when Goku kills him with an energy blast we seen in once a flash of blue. Or maybe a nice beam struggle where Goku and Vegeta are losing and they bring back an old concept of power responds to a need. Or I dunno, Vegeta kills Freiza with a Prominace Flash? Beating the guy that enslaved him and murdered his race with a new move snd new form. Even if you aren’t a Vegeta fan that one makes great narrative sense. Totally gatekeeping these ideas theyre mine👀
Super has a lot of problems lol lack of explanations on certain things, especially major transformations, is definitely a big issue. On top of many other things. It has some cool aspects. But as a whole, it's definitely my least favorite series in the franchise.
@GuyVick Exactly. Gohan is my favorite character. As cool as beast is, and as happy and shocked as I was to see it, I definitely wish it had more of a build-up. In the anime, he did say he was working on a new path different from anything ever seen before. And it's true. He did. And in the manga, it was pretty obvious he kept training even after the T.O.P. But beast isn't a god form, and he seems to have achieved it naturally, but what exactly is it? I hate that lol
@@derekosgood3230 people theorized it’s a demon power .. I guess we will see.. because gohan beast is a unique power and form it doesn’t have god ki like you said i would really like to know where that power came from.. gohan is one of my favorite characters .. I need an explanation so bad lol.
@@GuyVick Yeah, I've thought about that too. One thing about it is how drastically his personality and tone changes when he releases his power. It does feel like he has some type of other personality within him lol hopefully, we'll get a deeper explanation on it. I pray we do 😂
I wish the series used SSG more, it was a visually cool form and I don’t like red that much. Not to mention it also just had a cool vibe that blue ruins. I wish blue had more build up and appeared later honestly. Plus it’s supposed to be kinda hard to use like in the Broly movie. Where’s SSG’s healing ability? We seen in once. Even if it’s ritual only why does the regular one not have a cool additional ability other than its incredible stability benefits(I know it has cool techniques). It’s a god form come on.
We just gotta ignore the fact that Goku got super Saiyan four by getting his tail, pulled out his ass no buildup no nothing quite literally just gets his tail pulled out his ass and now he’s the strongest character in the whole show
i always thought Frieza's forms in super is meant to represent his mentality, golden is meant to represent him being Number 1 and him thinking he's the strongest in the universe or him making fun of the sayains that he can also go yellow but for the black form will probably just meant to be another symbolizeim of him being a grim reapper or death in physical form (I'm just going on based on colors as that form isn't well known)
When a Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan god transforms into a Super Saiyan you get SSGSS(SS blue). The original SSG was a temporary form not meant to be accessed again which is stated both in BoG film and by Toriyama himself: which is why he created Saiyan beyond god and the next step in the godly transformation Super Saiyan god SS. Goku and Vegeta were both able to achieve this form by training with Whis to master and understand god ki. The initial Super Saiyan only beat Frieza and was immediately curb stomped by the Androids lol. This happens with just about every form to make the next opponent or antagonist seem like a threat forcing the heroes to push themselves beyond their current limits.
I think Frieza going after the Sayians as soon as he gets his new form makes some sense to me. For two reasons. 1.) He's arrogant, and likes to show off. Not to mention he probably didn't fully understand what it meant to train. It's not just that you need to attain the form. You need to master it. 2.) He probably never expected Goku let alone Vegeta to reach a power even close to that. Regardless of how much they trained. He felt that his power was going to rival the gods. He probably never believed monkeys could get that strong period. His Achilles Heel is underestimating his rivals. It always has been, until recently. He's learned from his mistakes.
The thing is, up until his fight with Goku on Namek, he had never been pushed to that point at all. But he survived the fight, though. Logically, shouldn't that count as training in a sense? Given the physical exertion he put his body through, which he had never experienced. He should have had an understanding of training at that point. Because If 4 months of actual training allowed him to overshoot the entire buu saga and reach god levels, then that fight with Goku should have certainly given him the power to beat trunks and the rest of them, shouldn't it? Lol I don't know what type of training he does, but I feel like experiencing real fights to exhaustion and actually getting beat down should still give him significant jumps in power. Unless there's something else to it.
@@adri_tyb5317 No I'm not. Saiyans grow stronger even without near death experiences after training. I don't think frieza nearly kills himself to grow stronger necessarily. But he would have to put his body through physical stress I would assume. Which he did while fighting Goku. It should essentially be the same thing. If not, then how would he have done it?
A fun fact about Frieza's Golden and Black forms were just from Toriyama's credit cards. He had a golden one, and a stronger (more expensive/rich) black credit card; and so in classic Toriyama fashion, he would implement that into Frieza's arsenal of forms :D
Well that was Toyotaro's idea for Black Frieza.
I think using SSGod as the more frequent transformation and never creating SSJB would've made a more interesting path. Allowing Vegeta to get UE and Goku UI to show how they diverged due to personality. Essentially starting their "generic god path" and letting them discover their own specialty
I think signs is important but it should of waited until a big moment of pure rage
Eg: when goku finds out that zamasu killed Chi Chi and goten
Ok lemme help you.
Ssj grade 1: Standard super sayian, if unrefined it can lead to reckless decision making and a nearly uncontrollably need for urge for battle.
Ssj grade 2: Augmented form of the super sayian form. Basically stole Friezas notes from his 100% form. More power but at the cost of stamina drain.
Ssj grade 3: A useless super sayian augmentation to gain even more power at the cost of heavier stamina drain, mental fatique kicks in alot quicker and your speed is nerfed badly due to your giant muscles... somehow Broly doesnt have that problem.
Ssj grade 4: An evolved super sayian transformation that nolonger causes any mental compromises due to sayian blood running, they can compete at peak performance for much longer than tbe other grades and have little stamina drain.
Ssj2 2: A augmented super sayian form but far more refined than that of grade 2 and 3 which only puffs up their muscles for a mediocre increase. Once figured out its much easier to tap into...unless you dont train for a decade...gohan.
Ssj3: Not as useless as Grade 3's power lifting form. Its a boosted version of ssj2, more power but at the cost of heavier stamina drain even in a idle state.
Ssg: Simple. After the ritual the user must figure out how to concentrate their ki for it to mix into god ki, unrefined it has a time limit, but once mastered it can be a massive boost in power and speed without any stamina drain.
Ssb: Ssg but multiply it by 50 and dye the hair blue. Its an super sayian version of the god ki, its a powerful transformation but at the cost of a steep stamina drain especially when 100% or a kaioken is also pushed in.
UI Omen: Unrefined and unstable UI, Goku starting to understand the mindset of UI can pull off this transformation but with its stability at risk.
"True" UI: An Omen variant that sacrifices some of its evasion and power for less stamina drain and more sayian instinct optimization.
Mastered UI: Goku after extensive training can now enter the full ultra instinct at will without any need for life or death situations or emotional triggers.
UE: Vegetas G.O.D form, a powerhouse of a transformation that feeds off of battle and growing stronger even through the host being damaged, it has the potentional to infinitely become stronger as long as Vegeta is still conscious.
Ultimate: Gohan had all of his potential unlocked by Elder Kai, his power seemingly limitless.
Beast: Gohans deep primal sayian rage was always at war his humanity, his true power even as a kid only coming out in small bursts, but now Gohan has fully weaponized his unbridled emotions to match even the Legendary Super Sayian.
Lssj: The original, the ancestral gene of super sayian that has near bottemless pit of power and rage, easy to see why Frieza was terrified of the legends. The original super sayian transformations is alot higher than times 50, high enough that even Broly has to sometimes let out energy to keep his senses, in one case frieza being beaten up for an hour straight.
Lssj (controlled): The power is slightly nerfed but in exchange for full sanity and less mental fatique.
Tbh I think that Super Saiyan Blue should’ve been introduced when Goku Black tells Goku that he killed his family after taking over his body.
Kachi Katchin Steel has the ability to enhance anyone who is standing on it or near the material. During the Tournament of Power Arc the Grand Minister chose Kachi Katchin Steel as the material to be used in the creation of the Arena do to it's power enhancing properties and healing attribute.
During the Battle Royale many fighters took advantage of the Kachi Steel which enhanced their own fighting strengths allowing some Saiyans the ability to become or go Super Saiyan in the matter of minutes compared to a lifetime of training. It is unsure if they kept these abilities after the tournament.
Nah man you're exaggerating . i dont even like super but even i can't say that blue is undeserved, they clearly trained hard for it and that was the result, you compared it to ssj2 which was just a rage boost same as the ssbevolution you said
To be honest super is an amazing series but most debates in the dragon ball fandom are caused due to lack of explanation in super like Saiyan beyond god and super saiyan 4 gogeta vs cabba
SSB also makes no sense as Goku states that SSB is a calm and focused state and yet, SSJ is a rage-induced state. So how do you use rage to induce a calm state? When Goku went SSB vs Broly, you can see the rage and anger when Goku was sliding from SSG to SSB and once in SSB, he started calming down.
The other issue is, how many times have Goku and Vegeta gained power boosts in SSB using rage?
Dragon ball super needs people to explain the lore behind the transformations
Nah, Blue showed that if Goku and Vegeta trained together they could surpass the power of gods.
These will be touched on 1 day
Great video wish you talked about caulifas weird legendary ssj2 form
Who else would’ve been cool if Freiza was equal to SSG Goku and Vegeta and at the very end when Goku kills him with an energy blast we seen in once a flash of blue. Or maybe a nice beam struggle where Goku and Vegeta are losing and they bring back an old concept of power responds to a need.
Or I dunno, Vegeta kills Freiza with a Prominace Flash? Beating the guy that enslaved him and murdered his race with a new move snd new form. Even if you aren’t a Vegeta fan that one makes great narrative sense.
Totally gatekeeping these ideas theyre mine👀
Super has a lot of problems lol lack of explanations on certain things, especially major transformations, is definitely a big issue. On top of many other things. It has some cool aspects. But as a whole, it's definitely my least favorite series in the franchise.
I need an explanation on gohan beast .
@GuyVick Exactly. Gohan is my favorite character. As cool as beast is, and as happy and shocked as I was to see it, I definitely wish it had more of a build-up. In the anime, he did say he was working on a new path different from anything ever seen before. And it's true. He did. And in the manga, it was pretty obvious he kept training even after the T.O.P. But beast isn't a god form, and he seems to have achieved it naturally, but what exactly is it? I hate that lol
@@derekosgood3230 people theorized it’s a demon power .. I guess we will see.. because gohan beast is a unique power and form it doesn’t have god ki like you said i would really like to know where that power came from.. gohan is one of my favorite characters .. I need an explanation so bad lol.
@@GuyVick Yeah, I've thought about that too. One thing about it is how drastically his personality and tone changes when he releases his power. It does feel like he has some type of other personality within him lol hopefully, we'll get a deeper explanation on it. I pray we do 😂
I wish the series used SSG more, it was a visually cool form and I don’t like red that much. Not to mention it also just had a cool vibe that blue ruins.
I wish blue had more build up and appeared later honestly. Plus it’s supposed to be kinda hard to use like in the Broly movie.
Where’s SSG’s healing ability? We seen in once. Even if it’s ritual only why does the regular one not have a cool additional ability other than its incredible stability benefits(I know it has cool techniques). It’s a god form come on.
GT fans sleep easy every night knowing they don't need to rely on pointless generic transformations to compensate for a lack of story
We just gotta ignore the fact that Goku got super Saiyan four by getting his tail, pulled out his ass no buildup no nothing quite literally just gets his tail pulled out his ass and now he’s the strongest character in the whole show
vegeta getting ssj4 off a machine:
i always thought Frieza's forms in super is meant to represent his mentality, golden is meant to represent him being Number 1 and him thinking he's the strongest in the universe or him making fun of the sayains that he can also go yellow but for the black form will probably just meant to be another symbolizeim of him being a grim reapper or death in physical form (I'm just going on based on colors as that form isn't well known)
When a Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan god transforms into a Super Saiyan you get SSGSS(SS blue). The original SSG was a temporary form not meant to be accessed again which is stated both in BoG film and by Toriyama himself: which is why he created Saiyan beyond god and the next step in the godly transformation Super Saiyan god SS. Goku and Vegeta were both able to achieve this form by training with Whis to master and understand god ki. The initial Super Saiyan only beat Frieza and was immediately curb stomped by the Androids lol. This happens with just about every form to make the next opponent or antagonist seem like a threat forcing the heroes to push themselves beyond their current limits.
I think Frieza going after the Sayians as soon as he gets his new form makes some sense to me. For two reasons.
1.) He's arrogant, and likes to show off. Not to mention he probably didn't fully understand what it meant to train. It's not just that you need to attain the form. You need to master it.
2.) He probably never expected Goku let alone Vegeta to reach a power even close to that. Regardless of how much they trained. He felt that his power was going to rival the gods. He probably never believed monkeys could get that strong period. His Achilles Heel is underestimating his rivals. It always has been, until recently. He's learned from his mistakes.
The thing is, up until his fight with Goku on Namek, he had never been pushed to that point at all. But he survived the fight, though. Logically, shouldn't that count as training in a sense? Given the physical exertion he put his body through, which he had never experienced. He should have had an understanding of training at that point. Because If 4 months of actual training allowed him to overshoot the entire buu saga and reach god levels, then that fight with Goku should have certainly given him the power to beat trunks and the rest of them, shouldn't it? Lol I don't know what type of training he does, but I feel like experiencing real fights to exhaustion and actually getting beat down should still give him significant jumps in power. Unless there's something else to it.
@@derekosgood3230na ur mistaking training nd saiyans getting zenkai buffs after surviving near death experiences
@@adri_tyb5317 No I'm not. Saiyans grow stronger even without near death experiences after training. I don't think frieza nearly kills himself to grow stronger necessarily. But he would have to put his body through physical stress I would assume. Which he did while fighting Goku. It should essentially be the same thing. If not, then how would he have done it?
9:08 Broly is using that form
Amazing😊😊
Your right bruh! He definitely got lazy on super! It was purely fan service before he passed
We had Super Kaioken in a filler episode of DBZ look it up
I think kale had that transformation because she was a saiyen mutant like broly both using the legendary super saiyen form
I think Kale's transformation was explained a bit more in the manga
Orange piccolo is not a reskin at all……
Super saiyan blue kaioken is 2 froms ssj and ssg with kaioken
yeah im sorry cool video but the weird interpolated footage is making me feel sick i cant watch this properly
I like ssrose but he eas too weak, he still was losing to blue vegeta like wtf?
My least favorite is super saiyen rage it sucks my faveorite is ultra instinct