Chilling encounter! Hades voice is spot on - the way he says “disintegrated” and knowing that’s the result of the psychological torture of an AI, really well done.
5:44 - It should be noted that HADES is *bragging* when it talks about the biospheres it "aborted" in 2154, 2161 and 2168; if it hadn't done so, GAIA would still be trying to stabilize that first one. "Hate me if you wish; I was *necessary."*
This is one is way better IMO. Old Hades' voice was alright but this? It's just _dripping_ with malevolence and hatred. The way he calls Aloy deluded, taunting her whereas old Hades simply spouted generic AI voice lines to "ELIMINATE THREAT. ENTITY MISCALCULATED" which is something Hephaestus would say more than Hades, given his more robotic nature.
Why did they change his voice? Not the VA, the audio affect put into the voice that made it sound so malevolent. It sounded closer to what it was during the focus recording of it and sylens than when aloy spoke with it.
@@samcochran8203 Yes, as he was supposed to. Gaia had to be cable of emotion to be intelligent enough to terraform the earth, but actually having emotion means attachment and love. As Travis Tate put it in the last game, Hades was meant to override Gaia's access to the system in order to give her a clean slate... and probably piss her off to do better haha.
He is Plankton when SpongeBob was helping people on the beach. “It’s too cute! It’s DISGUSTING!” “Neeeed Hatred.” Plankton and Hades would get along until Hades decides to destroy him along with everything else lol.
I actually feel bad for the poor guy, lol. Baddie of the last game or not, interrogated pretty much to death. What a way to go. I'll almost kinda miss him.
Once again, this series is showing that it's effectively this generation's Mass Effect (blockbuster science fiction game with dialogue wheels and third-person gameplay about ancient AIs). And honestly? I'm here for it. Someone's gotta fill in the niche as BioWare has...not been doing so hot since 2016.
I loved so much that dialogue, HADES' voice is so godamn good I even asked multiple times some things because it was so good My favorite dialogue voice I have ever heard in my life
I get why they went with the malevolent evil trope - clearer narrative etc etc... but I think it would have been cooler if HADES was just "doing what it does" - no gloating about unhappiness or all that emotional stuff, just single-mindedly convinced that the earth must be sterilised, because it is the extinction protocol and that is its function.
@@EclecticallyEccentric What I meant by, "That's what HEPHAESTUS was for", is that he was filling in the gap story wise that HADES was supposed to fill. With the whole unfeeling and focused on its task of being essentially GAIAS mind and it's subfunction it designated for itself i.e protecting the machines. But in a way HEPHAESTUS does want humanity to be culled to stop them from killing machines. So in a way it is kind of killing people and it is malicious in intent. I'd say it does want to kill people just not in a worldwide scale. It wants to kill enough people to deter anyone from harming the machines that keep them alive. HEPHAESTUS is also malicious towards Aloy and CYAN when they were in the Banuk territory in the Fobidden Wilds. HEPHAESTUS had no problem subjugating CYAN a weaker AI to It's will to get it's job done. HEPHAESTUS will kill anyone and anything that gets in it's way. It doesn't attack other smaller animals because they don't bother the machines. It's only humans. So as long as they don't do anything that will kill or severely damage the machines HEPHAESTUS feels indifferent or just flat out doesn't care about them. They don't pose a threat to him or his task. But like I said before I believe HEPHAESTUS aims to kill people. Because as CYAN states if even a few people stopped killing machines it wouldn't deter HEPHAESTUS one bit. It wouldn't care so it would continue to make more and more machines of a highly chatotic nature much like itself in it's currently deranged state-killing more people. So while HEPHAESTUS'S main goal isn't to kill people it surely has no problem doing it and will continue to even if everyone or almost everyone across the world stopped. Simple beause it doesn't care. That's why I think HEPHAESTUS wants to kill people and if everyone dies then so be it.
I can't help but feel sorry for him, imagine being that guys slave. 😔 I know what he did but I can't help to pitty him even though he would have destroyed all humans. Who would have thought humans sent the signal. What I don't get is why she was surprised he couldn't answer her questions. That guy told her what he did to hades
It’s not even completely Hades’ fault. He was literally built and programmed to be like this and the Signal that was sent by humans is what made him rogue to begin with.
@@zerosorigin8387 I agree imagine being a hollow of your former glory. I'm too forgiving and understanding. If your built to destroy then you destroy. Which literally was programed in him.
It's actually Anthony Ingruber, the guy who did Joker in the Batman Telltale game. But saying he's similar to Dee Bradley Baker's performance as Gravemind is actually quite a compliment, all things considered.
I am very intrigued by the line where he mentions 3 biospheres that were non-viable. He mentions current version is version five. So my question is, what happened to version four? was it one of the non viable? or there was a version where GAIA overdid it and HADES didn't even need to intervene before Earth was wiped clean?
It could be that the original earth was biosphere v1.0 and then hades destroyed V2.0, V3,0 and V4.0 which makes the biosphere the games take place in be V5.0.
Sylens is awesome. Highly motivated and ambitious in seeking knowledge. He’s the opposite of Aloy in some ways as she is always bitching and complaining about him when he actually helps her out more times than not and has saved her life. I love how she is like “where have you been?” and he just replies that hes not even thinking about her. He ain’t no simp haha.
Eh, he still is responsible for the majority of shit in ZD, kicking off the Eclipse and such. And given the fact that includes the death of Rost, it's understandable she sees him as a threat and wants him dead. Dude has the wrong attitude for almost destroying the new world in the name of "I wanna know about de old world!"
I always hated Sylens back in ZD But knowing he tricked her to steal HADES was just adding gasoline to fire AND SEEING HIM AGAIN -WITH THE SAME ATTITUDE- MAKES ME BOILING FROM THE INSIDE OUT
He's my favourite character in the games. He's smug as hell, but he honestly has the right to be - he's smart as hell and was (probably) the first person to ever figure out why the world is in the state it's in. Without him, Aloy could have never succeeded in either game. He does it for selfish reasons, sure, but that doesn't make it less true. Heavy spoilers for FW ending: without him, Earth would have also been 100% wiped out by Nemesis, with no one even knowing it's coming. Because of him, they have a chance.
So, i don't understand, Gaia self destructed when she received nemesis signal even hades sounds like is scared shitless of them. What's stopping gaia from self destructing herself again when she shits herself when nemesis shows up? And considering nemesis had prime access to the terraforming system and were the ones that woke hades does that means there's an evil Elisabet sobeck trapped within nemesis? Ted faro killed the primes, and it is not explained how the zenith got a hold of sobeck dna. Unless tilda was able to find a strain of hair and sample of her saliva after going down on her like a ravaging lesbian
I couldn't merge it with GAIA, I understand that it has become evil, but it is supposed to be a vital piece like the others, there was no way to reprogram it or something else? really nothing happens if Hades does not return with GAIA?
HADES was needed in the early stages of the terraforming process, incase GAIA produced a non-viable biosphere (this happened three times). It was vital that HADES reset her these times, otherwise life could have never happened properly; these resets prompted GAIA to do better the next times, and is the reason we have Earth as it is in the Horizon games. Once the biosphere is actually up and running in a functional state - which it is in the games - HADES is mostly redundant, as its function (killing everything) is suddenly detrimental, and not helpful. So no, apart from increasing GAIA's overall capabilities and intelligence, HADES is not needed anymore. Spoilers for the rest of the game ahead: the game also touches upon this by mentioning that Haephaestus is the most important function, since it's what brings the ideas/designs of aether, artemis, poseidon and demeter to fruition, to actually permanently have a good atmosphere. As such, in present Horizon, these are the most important functions when it comes to having a functioning earth with life on it. Then there's categories of the functions that minerva and hades fall into: if they didn't do their early work, none of the other things would even be possible. But once earth is up and running, they are no longer needed (although having them implemented DOES help a bit, by making GAIA's capabilities more advanced, which is also the reason we needed to find a function before being able to boot up GAIA). Then there's eleuthia, which already did its job - make sure humans are born. This happened, and again, apart from making Gaia overall smarter, it's no longer necessary. The biggest example that not all the functions are necessary is APOLLO. The version of GAIA that restored earth after zero day never even HAD apollo in it, but everything was completed either way. Apollo was immensely important for human society, but was almost useless when it came to actually re-creating earth (from a terraforming view). Having it, though, is very useful, but not a necessity. Although (going into heavy spoilers here if you haven't finished FW yet), Apollo, with the sheer amount of knowledge it has, might work as a sort of substitute to other functions if necessary, as Beta theorizes ways of permanently stabilizing the biosphere after their failure to capture haephaestus. I imagine its knowledge will also help them defeat Nemesis. Going back to your original question, though: If we assume GAIA never needs to create an atmosphere again, then no, HADES is not needed anymore. However, if you need her to recreate a biosphere again, you need to be insanely lucky and have her do it right the first time. Otherwise there's no failsafe (HADES) that lets her try again. Going into heavy spoilers again, this is also why the zeniths' plan was very risky. They only had one shot, with no way to try again without Hades. Though I guess they technically could try again, but on a different planet. The existence of the Instinction Signal also means it can be braodcast again at any time. As such, it's way too risky to re-implement HADES into GAIA again, even if they could - this is the reason they never even bothered trying to search for HADES in the early stages of reforming GAIA. Sorry for the long reply, I like this game's story too much.
That was the wreck of the Horus Titan. Hades per se is just Software, to interact with it Sylens needed to install it on something and since he found Hades in the core of such a Titan before he knew that was the best shot. The "Orb" Aloy finds Hades in is the part that Sylens removed from tat Horus to install Hades on it and while instructing Aloy on ow to build the Igniter to get rid of the Firegleam Sylens tells her that he used something like that to separate the orb from the Horus.
Chilling encounter! Hades voice is spot on - the way he says “disintegrated” and knowing that’s the result of the psychological torture of an AI, really well done.
I always thought that it was because of the degraded state he was in.
Data error. Memory structures disintegrated.
I’m sensing a meme brewing.
*sarcasm detected*
5:44 - It should be noted that HADES is *bragging* when it talks about the biospheres it "aborted" in 2154, 2161 and 2168; if it hadn't done so, GAIA would still be trying to stabilize that first one. "Hate me if you wish; I was *necessary."*
That was such a great dialogue
Although I’m sad hades’s old va diddnt return, this hades low monotone voice mixed with the glitching and echo is a decent replacement
The old voice was great, but I honestly like this better. It sounds just as evil, but more broken and damaged. It fits really well
This is one is way better IMO. Old Hades' voice was alright but this? It's just _dripping_ with malevolence and hatred. The way he calls Aloy deluded, taunting her whereas old Hades simply spouted generic AI voice lines to "ELIMINATE THREAT. ENTITY MISCALCULATED" which is something Hephaestus would say more than Hades, given his more robotic nature.
Yeah. Plus it makes sense in Hades decrepit state?
Why did they change his voice? Not the VA, the audio affect put into the voice that made it sound so malevolent. It sounded closer to what it was during the focus recording of it and sylens than when aloy spoke with it.
Didn't even notice it lol I liked it
Despite his awakening, HADES rescued life by forsaking the three non viable biospheres.
Wait, so he killed life 3 times already?
@@samcochran8203 yes.
@@samcochran8203 Yes, as he was supposed to. Gaia had to be cable of emotion to be intelligent enough to terraform the earth, but actually having emotion means attachment and love. As Travis Tate put it in the last game, Hades was meant to override Gaia's access to the system in order to give her a clean slate... and probably piss her off to do better haha.
When wife asks you where you were and why you're drank.
"Data error. Memory structures disintegrated."
Is no one gonna comment that Sylens tortured HADES to near death using nature and bunny videos???
or that Hades has to hide in this virtual desolate wasteland ... it's his "happy place"
He is Plankton when SpongeBob was helping people on the beach. “It’s too cute! It’s DISGUSTING!” “Neeeed Hatred.” Plankton and Hades would get along until Hades decides to destroy him along with everything else lol.
@@PrestigeLearning Hades is the ultimate Edge Lord in this series.
@@zerosorigin8387 I mean he was created for the purpose of ending all life so it makes sense
I wish we could have an experience like this with Hades at full operation.
One of my favorite parts so far. Love the dialogue between the two, they killed it.
I like how he tries to answer her questions despite hating her
It sounds like he goes into despair and loses his breath whenever he says "disintegrated".
Imagine if the third installation of the game decided to pull a 'somehow, HADES returns.'
There's still that Hades backup in the place aloy got the Gaia backup right?
rip in peace best character in both games, and thank you for the quality video
I have pity for him, he was doing his job after all and was used in the end, I mean glad he lost but still pretty sad
I actually feel bad for the poor guy, lol. Baddie of the last game or not, interrogated pretty much to death. What a way to go.
I'll almost kinda miss him.
Aye, part of me wished the game would let us pick an option to pity HADES but he's such a petty asshole even when he's fading 😂
@@eventua8474 He used to be part of something good... I guess it counts for something.
@CrimsonCowl Really?
@@sf7376 Yeah it's a datapoint you find in Sylen's Horus Workshop, it's really funny.
@@theexurian1079 I scanned it but never red it. 🤣
I didn't think that I would hear an AI voice as menacing as Sovereign from Mass Effect
Imagine Hades' voice coming out of a Reaper. Now that would make the player shit bricks.
Once again, this series is showing that it's effectively this generation's Mass Effect (blockbuster science fiction game with dialogue wheels and third-person gameplay about ancient AIs). And honestly? I'm here for it. Someone's gotta fill in the niche as BioWare has...not been doing so hot since 2016.
Now thats the voice of a metal devil.
3:38 i lol so hard
I loved so much that dialogue, HADES' voice is so godamn good I even asked multiple times some things because it was so good
My favorite dialogue voice I have ever heard in my life
Love hades voice and speak
I get why they went with the malevolent evil trope - clearer narrative etc etc... but I think it would have been cooler if HADES was just "doing what it does" - no gloating about unhappiness or all that emotional stuff, just single-mindedly convinced that the earth must be sterilised, because it is the extinction protocol and that is its function.
That's why Hephaestus exists
@@noctemluxarmigerHephaestus doesn't want to eliminate humanity or other life, though. Just wants to stop them from killing the machines.
@@EclecticallyEccentric What I meant by, "That's what HEPHAESTUS was for", is that he was filling in the gap story wise that HADES was supposed to fill. With the whole unfeeling and focused on its task of being essentially GAIAS mind and it's subfunction it designated for itself i.e protecting the machines. But in a way HEPHAESTUS does want humanity to be culled to stop them from killing machines. So in a way it is kind of killing people and it is malicious in intent. I'd say it does want to kill people just not in a worldwide scale. It wants to kill enough people to deter anyone from harming the machines that keep them alive. HEPHAESTUS is also malicious towards Aloy and CYAN when they were in the Banuk territory in the Fobidden Wilds. HEPHAESTUS had no problem subjugating CYAN a weaker AI to It's will to get it's job done. HEPHAESTUS will kill anyone and anything that gets in it's way. It doesn't attack other smaller animals because they don't bother the machines. It's only humans. So as long as they don't do anything that will kill or severely damage the machines HEPHAESTUS feels indifferent or just flat out doesn't care about them. They don't pose a threat to him or his task. But like I said before I believe HEPHAESTUS aims to kill people. Because as CYAN states if even a few people stopped killing machines it wouldn't deter HEPHAESTUS one bit. It wouldn't care so it would continue to make more and more machines of a highly chatotic nature much like itself in it's currently deranged state-killing more people. So while HEPHAESTUS'S main goal isn't to kill people it surely has no problem doing it and will continue to even if everyone or almost everyone across the world stopped. Simple beause it doesn't care. That's why I think HEPHAESTUS wants to kill people and if everyone dies then so be it.
I love Sylens. He’s like littlefinger but futuristic(book littlefinger, not that shitshow HBO put out)
I'm halfway through the game, and revisiting this dialogue makes me think that FZ is going to outsmart us in the end
I can't help but feel sorry for him, imagine being that guys slave. 😔 I know what he did but I can't help to pitty him even though he would have destroyed all humans. Who would have thought humans sent the signal.
What I don't get is why she was surprised he couldn't answer her questions. That guy told her what he did to hades
It’s not even completely Hades’ fault. He was literally built and programmed to be like this and the Signal that was sent by humans is what made him rogue to begin with.
@@zerosorigin8387 I agree imagine being a hollow of your former glory. I'm too forgiving and understanding. If your built to destroy then you destroy. Which literally was programed in him.
i very much liked the old hades voice...that being said then new voice gave hades actual sentience.. .actual purpose instead of judt a program
The fact that Hades actually got Aloy distressed with his final provocations.
Hades almost sounds like the Gravemind from halo 2.........don't know if it's the same voice actor but they sound similar
It's actually Anthony Ingruber, the guy who did Joker in the Batman Telltale game. But saying he's similar to Dee Bradley Baker's performance as Gravemind is actually quite a compliment, all things considered.
I am very intrigued by the line where he mentions 3 biospheres that were non-viable.
He mentions current version is version five. So my question is, what happened to version four? was it one of the non viable? or there was a version where GAIA overdid it and HADES didn't even need to intervene before Earth was wiped clean?
It could be that the original earth was biosphere v1.0 and then hades destroyed V2.0, V3,0 and V4.0 which makes the biosphere the games take place in be V5.0.
Sylens is awesome. Highly motivated and ambitious in seeking knowledge. He’s the opposite of Aloy in some ways as she is always bitching and complaining about him when he actually helps her out more times than not and has saved her life. I love how she is like “where have you been?” and he just replies that hes not even thinking about her. He ain’t no simp haha.
Eh, he still is responsible for the majority of shit in ZD, kicking off the Eclipse and such.
And given the fact that includes the death of Rost, it's understandable she sees him as a threat and wants him dead.
Dude has the wrong attitude for almost destroying the new world in the name of "I wanna know about de old world!"
Will be at last wiped clean...
Of filth
I always hated Sylens back in ZD
But knowing he tricked her to steal HADES was just adding gasoline to fire
AND SEEING HIM AGAIN -WITH THE SAME ATTITUDE- MAKES ME BOILING FROM THE INSIDE OUT
But why tho
He's my favourite character in the games. He's smug as hell, but he honestly has the right to be - he's smart as hell and was (probably) the first person to ever figure out why the world is in the state it's in. Without him, Aloy could have never succeeded in either game. He does it for selfish reasons, sure, but that doesn't make it less true. Heavy spoilers for FW ending: without him, Earth would have also been 100% wiped out by Nemesis, with no one even knowing it's coming. Because of him, they have a chance.
Goodbye Hades
is... that the beast war megatron voice actor?
Sounds a lot Makuta
Is he sylens VA? They sound super similar
Unfortunately, no, Hades is not also voiced by Lance Reddick, as cool as that would be.
So, i don't understand, Gaia self destructed when she received nemesis signal even hades sounds like is scared shitless of them. What's stopping gaia from self destructing herself again when she shits herself when nemesis shows up? And considering nemesis had prime access to the terraforming system and were the ones that woke hades does that means there's an evil Elisabet sobeck trapped within nemesis? Ted faro killed the primes, and it is not explained how the zenith got a hold of sobeck dna. Unless tilda was able to find a strain of hair and sample of her saliva after going down on her like a ravaging lesbian
I couldn't merge it with GAIA, I understand that it has become evil, but it is supposed to be a vital piece like the others, there was no way to reprogram it or something else? really nothing happens if Hades does not return with GAIA?
HADES was needed in the early stages of the terraforming process, incase GAIA produced a non-viable biosphere (this happened three times). It was vital that HADES reset her these times, otherwise life could have never happened properly; these resets prompted GAIA to do better the next times, and is the reason we have Earth as it is in the Horizon games. Once the biosphere is actually up and running in a functional state - which it is in the games - HADES is mostly redundant, as its function (killing everything) is suddenly detrimental, and not helpful.
So no, apart from increasing GAIA's overall capabilities and intelligence, HADES is not needed anymore. Spoilers for the rest of the game ahead: the game also touches upon this by mentioning that Haephaestus is the most important function, since it's what brings the ideas/designs of aether, artemis, poseidon and demeter to fruition, to actually permanently have a good atmosphere. As such, in present Horizon, these are the most important functions when it comes to having a functioning earth with life on it. Then there's categories of the functions that minerva and hades fall into: if they didn't do their early work, none of the other things would even be possible. But once earth is up and running, they are no longer needed (although having them implemented DOES help a bit, by making GAIA's capabilities more advanced, which is also the reason we needed to find a function before being able to boot up GAIA). Then there's eleuthia, which already did its job - make sure humans are born. This happened, and again, apart from making Gaia overall smarter, it's no longer necessary.
The biggest example that not all the functions are necessary is APOLLO. The version of GAIA that restored earth after zero day never even HAD apollo in it, but everything was completed either way. Apollo was immensely important for human society, but was almost useless when it came to actually re-creating earth (from a terraforming view). Having it, though, is very useful, but not a necessity. Although (going into heavy spoilers here if you haven't finished FW yet), Apollo, with the sheer amount of knowledge it has, might work as a sort of substitute to other functions if necessary, as Beta theorizes ways of permanently stabilizing the biosphere after their failure to capture haephaestus. I imagine its knowledge will also help them defeat Nemesis.
Going back to your original question, though: If we assume GAIA never needs to create an atmosphere again, then no, HADES is not needed anymore. However, if you need her to recreate a biosphere again, you need to be insanely lucky and have her do it right the first time. Otherwise there's no failsafe (HADES) that lets her try again. Going into heavy spoilers again, this is also why the zeniths' plan was very risky. They only had one shot, with no way to try again without Hades. Though I guess they technically could try again, but on a different planet.
The existence of the Instinction Signal also means it can be braodcast again at any time. As such, it's way too risky to re-implement HADES into GAIA again, even if they could - this is the reason they never even bothered trying to search for HADES in the early stages of reforming GAIA.
Sorry for the long reply, I like this game's story too much.
Does anybody know what happened to the kraken like machine that they showed in the after credits scene of zero dawn?
That was the wreck of the Horus Titan.
Hades per se is just Software, to interact with it Sylens needed to install it on something and since he found Hades in the core of such a Titan before he knew that was the best shot.
The "Orb" Aloy finds Hades in is the part that Sylens removed from tat Horus to install Hades on it and while instructing Aloy on ow to build the Igniter to get rid of the Firegleam Sylens tells her that he used something like that to separate the orb from the Horus.
*BOY*
I was so annoyed at Sylens for wiping HADES’ memory. He left us literally nothing.