I was about to write just that. And even if And Justice... brought some new elements (which is why it's my favorite), a lot of that structure remained similar: Fight Fire and Battery became Blackened, Ride and Master became And Justice, Fade to Black and Sanitarium became One, For Whom the Bell Tolls and The Thing became Harvester of Sorrow, Damage Inc. became Dyer's Eve, plus the instrumentals, etc. (*Edit: meant to say Harvester of Sorrow, not The Shortest Straw XD)
Just of note about the modulation point, F# and A are relative keys meaning that F#min is the same as Amaj and vice versa. What this relative keys thing actually means is that they share all of the same notes, Amaj and F#m have the exact same notes in the scale
I'd assume it's one of 2 reasons: Either, 1 - they believe their first effort can be bettered, that whatever changes they've made artistically would allow for a more interesting sound or that a new version with different lyrics would fit their new album ie artistic reasons. The 2nd option is, it was popular and they want that popularity/money again
I've known this shit since 96 its just enter sandman in reverse. The phrasing of the riff. I knew it in 96 when I first heard it and when I played it. I think it's intentional because at the end of the song Hetfield whispers Off to never never land.
I know sometimes it's done as a sort of companion piece. Not metal songs, but the most recent example I can think of is Post Malone. Staring at the Sun and Sunflower are both very similar, but then you crack open a textbook and learn young sunflowers are known for following the sun across the sky, or "staring" at it, if you will. There's a thematic connection, or maybe both songs are about the same person, it's a more literary approach to songwriting. Or the first song was a massive hit and they like money, that's also a possibility.
Bands do that sometimes. If you release 10 albums, some songs are bound to be similar. But to some bands it happens more often than others. "Fuel" and "Hate Train" share their main riff also from Metallica.
Honestly you got me really astonished because in the 90's I never thought about similarities. Both the songs worked fine for me, playing was fun and good to get my fingers warmed up for the real thrash stuff. In fact there are also similarities to the verse of "The Unforgiven III". But honestly, you find similarities in so many verses like "the memory remains" or "the unforgiven III", in my ears this is just the way of staying true to a style of songwriting. That means, you create lots of songs, you never put on the album, cause you need to filter those songs that don't match to your band. Both "Load" and "ReLoad" nearby totally composed in Eb stemming have been experimental, in a time, where Seattle grunge became a revolution against mainstream and metal got into a real crisis. My friends and I, all metalheads then thought that our beloved thrash/death/doom metal is going to die out. So before luck runs out, you compose the way it went best. You may see "until it sleeps" as close to "unforgiven I" as it is close to parts of "the day that never comes" or "fade to black". Listen to the recent album and you will hear some snare parts of "one"... There are lots of bands publishing albums with the same sound like before and way less variation in the compositions. But hey, that's the way of famous artists, they do what they want. But in the 90's it was also their way to stay in tune with the new situation. And they were creative: look at videos they then did (until it sleeps", "the memory remains"), but it was quite a long way to find back to thrash. When Robert Trujillo came into the band you find the band levelled up in every way. The got backwind live and improved their songwriting. So finally my conclusion is, that this is just the way of Metallica making music - it's their style. #Gabe Smith No pressure by the label, just survival
I was gonna comment this, but then I realized it's not really what they do. They have just honed in on SUCH a specific style and stick to it (HARD) in almost everything they do. It's not really ripping off their own biggest hit, though...
For me that kinda means it’s a spiritual successor rather than a rip-off. Metallica clearly knew what they did. It wasn’t unintentional. Still rocks tho!
EmperorTigerstar Believe it or not I never noticed till now and I’ve been listening to Metallica since I was little 😂 I about shit myself when I heard it for the first time 🤣🤣🤣
The line is "Where's your crown King Nothing?". Despite all the striving, wishing and boasting the person has nothing. It's a kinda cool line. I don't think it's cringy.
Become The Knight I don’t think that’s cringy either. A bit cliched for them, sure, but it sounds satisfying to me since the other instruments drop out all at once.
@@BecomeTheKnight I kinda see where you're coming from Mike. It seems like they're trying to squeeze it in while in Enter Sandman it flows perfectly well.
@@gregdrb2413 You're correct, A former manager I think, tried to sue Fogerty for "The Old Man Down The Road" sounding like " Run Through the Jungle". He wrote both and if I'm correct, owned the rights as well to the CCR songs. It didn't go to far once everyone realized what was going on.
Load and Reload are two really underrated albums. They have some great songs on them. Their biggest downfall is that they are a bit bloated. But other than that they're pretty solid.
super ward If a completely different band wrote those albums they’re decent albums agreed. but from a band that wrote “Ride The Lightning” “AJFA” & “Master Of Puppets”‘ those albums are terrible.
MaJ Fuel & King Nothing are great songs. actually the only two songs I like off those albums. But they set the bar way to high with their previous releases.
“King Nothing” was originally meant to be a sequel to “Enter Sandman” - hence the similarities, and the soft vocal in the outro “off to never never land”.
ikr??? that's really impressive!! i've listening to music for more than two decades, and I HAVE NEVER noticed it!!!! BANDS THAT HAVE A PECULIAR SOUND and make similar songs!!! it's just MIND BLOWING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! spread the news!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@davidgreen8768 green day, ramones, foo fighters, ac/dc, iron maiden, kiss, slayer... the list goes on and on recipe: create a clickbait thumbnail and name for your video, add a great band to it and that's it... be controversial, make sure you will create a certain amount of polemic, just ramble about some overly known fact for some minutes, and you've made youtube content... ps: IMPORTANT - DO NOT FORGET to talk about it, like it was some crazy revelation
The way that James says “off to never never land” makes me wonder if it was something he was making fun of. Like maybe they had pressure from the label to make an Enter Sandman clone to get record sales. I don’t know enough about Metallica to say whether or not that’s true but maybe something to think about.
He said once in an interview that he played the song for a friend from another band and his friend said that the song is structurally identical to Enter Sandman, so he decided to put that "off to never never land" at the end as a homage to his own song.
@@el_huguito well.. A) its an observation which i heard from a youtuber, and even tested out myself. whoever writes the main riff of a metallica song, is generally credited first in the crediting. e.g,: blackened has jason, ktulu has mustaine B) it is very similar to sandman, which also hammett wrote, and he just overall writes some of their catchiest riffs. C) kirk and lars were leading the load and reload sound direction and concept design, from the hard rock sounds to even the album covers, it was their idea, hence it is one of kirks most credited albums, and its the first album where kirk also records the riffs, since before load, all main riffs were recorded by james and then doubled. just makes the most sense to me.
I never noticed how similar they were until i started playing guitar and tried to learn them both. I prefer King Nothing over Enter Sandman tbh. King Nothing is a banger
Am I the only one who doesn't think they're similar at all? You played the main riffs and... yeah, no, they sound completely different. King Nothing uses several notes that Sandman doesn't, and like you said, they have different grooves. (And isn't that what makes riffs unique? Think of all the 000000000-riffs!) The Sandman pre-chorus riff is the opening riff modulated, and King Nothing has a completely different riff in a different key. How does that make them similar? The choruses are completely different. Wah-solo after chorus. Like every Metallica song. I guess the structures are kinda similar, but come on, that's a very common structure for a song. Why don't you talk about how Fade to Black, Sanitarium, One, etc are the same song? They're much more similar than these.
@@JaxTheRiffer nothing to do with deafness, being there is only 8 notes in a chromatic scale, notes are going to be reused. The overall feel of both songs is rather different.
Except that Slither fucking sucks, Sandman is good (but overplayed), and King Nothing is just badass. And that's coming from a guy who LOVES ReLoad. Bad Seed and Slither are the only two songs that I don't like on it.
Enter Sandman is sooo overplayed... But everytime I hear that riff start, I crank it up. It drives hard and I might as well call it a guilty pleasure, being not amongst my favorite Metallica songs.
Jason I think it’s more how they are so blatant about ripping of their own material. It’s on the following album and they actually reference the original in the rip-off. That’s what makes it so incredible. I suppose you’ve got to give them points for honesty...
@@baileeparkes9316 how are you "blatantly" ripping off your own material if you wrote it to begin with? That's part of being a song writer is that you can reuse an idea and create something new.
Okay but if you just take the main riff from another song of yours, slow it down, and give the "new" song a new chorus, that's a blatant ripoff. Unpopular opinion of mine: I actually like King Nothing 1,000x more than Enter Sandman, but that doesn't mean it's an original song. It's okay to reuse an idea, but being that blatant without acknowledgement is insane
“Kirk Wahmmett. I’m not talking shit I just think the meme is funny” same I can agree that the structure is almost exact but I can’t hear the similarities in the riffs. Maybe it’s cuz I’m musically inept but they still sound very different to me. And I for one think “where’s your crown king nothing” is pretty cool. Obviously Enter Sandman is way more intense and epic but I do like King Nothing
And are on the same album it confuses me every time I listen to seasons of the abyss. Slayer just uses the same riff over and over just listen to reign in blood.
I love people overanalyzing musical ideas from people who don't technically know all that they're doing. Also, you missed some of the vocal harmonies they both have.
As someone who writes riffs myself, sometimes you come up with alternate versions of riffs and they don't always get used, and then you can use them later if you want to. King Nothing riff could have very well been written during the creation of Enter Sandman and simply scrapped, only to be used later.
something iam confused about is that the youtube ad says in cinemas for one night only, but its been showing for almost a week, although not every single day
I like both songs. I think it’s a nod to what got them to where they are. “Hey thanks for making us millions and giving us the freedom to explore new musical directions but here’s something familiar to let you know it’s still us.”
King Nothing has a fuckin kickass tagline if you ask me. Sandman doesn't. I legit cringe every time I hear "off to never never land" because it's genuinely very lame. And even though "where's you crown king nothing" isn't great on that front, it's still badass
“Off to never never land” was all anyone needed to hear the first time around to put the two together. So Metallica sounds an awful lot like themselves. There’s was enough old Metallica on the load albums to keep me happy, and their experimental songs I liked and still enjoy today. SM2 Outlaw torn performance was pretty epic.
"When a band has a song that is commercially successful, they feel the need to rewrite it, and idk why" I think ya kinda answered your question there, Mike
WE could apply this to numerous Metallica tracks. Fade to black, Sanitarium, One..All have very similar progressions, Intros, verse vs chorus, lead based bridges between, all the way to the epic signature endings.
@@britishnerd3919 That's kind of what I was thinking tbh. Sure, a lot of 10+ min Iron Maiden songs do sound kinda dull and samey, but you can't knock Rime of the Ancient Mariner, that song deserved every minute of its length.
The most egregious example of this in my opinion was how Megadeth completely rehashed Blackmail The Universe for their latest album, Dystopia, with the song Lying In State. It aggravated me, to put it mildly.
Great video! Also: Dream No More = Sad But True + The Thing that Should Not Be Now that We're Dead = Eye of the Beholder + Devil's Dance And Metallica's not alone in releasing clones or (hopefully) improved versions of their works: Queen: Another One Bites the Dust = Fun It Nightwish: Elan = Nemo Dream Theater: A Dramatic Turn of Events = Images and Words
I remember reading an interview with Hetfield right after Load was released, and he specifically stated that King Nothing was a sequel to Enter Sandman. So the similarities were intentional, hence the "Off to Never-Neverland" line at the end of King Nothing.
Uh just a question Mike! Plagiarist or Plagiarism is copying someone else’s work, thus passing off there copied work as there own! So not too be the asshole here, but red lines in the thumb nails pointing at James stating he is a Plagiarist, which could be taken out of context and in to court! Also it’s nothing that new that bands reverse engineer there own songs to create something new! Oh my SJW sponsored! lmao !
The worst offender I heard was Shadow of the Wind by Black Sabbath and then Breaking into Heaven by Heaven & Hell. Probably it's just laziness that leads to self-plagiarism, or it might be an accident, as a person is going to have the same ideas every once in a while, I know I have. Or maybe it might be pressure from execs "you've got to have a hit like Enter Sandman"
Perhaps King Nothing is a spiritual prequel to Enter Sandman? The King goes from a metaphorical Nothing (yeah you boast and wish but you’re nothing) to now literal nothingness and all records of him are now dust in the wind that flies off to never land? In Enter Sandman, the King is forever haunted by nightmares while being reincarnated as a child in the forsaken place that is Never land?
hmmm... threading a thin line here... songs follow the same scales/structure... change the rhythm and it’s different ... what are you trying to prove here? trying to get something going on your channel I believe...
I find it hilarious that everyone in the comments is missing the point. Michael hasn't said they're the same song, but that they have the same structure, layout, and have basically the same riff. Not that they are identical.
Well, Dream Theater creates a parody of themselves with every new album. That’s almost the same as cloning themselves. They’re almost unlistenable these days.
Though I agree this is all true.... I still think it's just as good of a song and I kinda like it more, that might just be biased from me growing up with Load tho
Dude. You are reaching Here. These songs are in two different keys, different speeds, tones, writing styles, etc etc. the riffs structure wise may have some similarities and the composition layouts are somewhat similar but I mean come on...King Nothing was written as a sequel to Enter Sandman. Otherwise, I’m not buying this theory. Love the premise tho.
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“where’s your crown King Nothing” is a badass line tbh
Jacob Ballance yeah, sure it’s not amazing poetry, but well delivered.
Snob guy thinks it’s “would you crown king nothing?” ???
Wheres your food king nothing
Agreed
"Gripping your pillow tight" is even better.
Ride the Lightning vs Master of Puppets (the albums). Both are "nearly" identical structurally it's insane
I was about to write just that. And even if And Justice... brought some new elements (which is why it's my favorite), a lot of that structure remained similar: Fight Fire and Battery became Blackened, Ride and Master became And Justice, Fade to Black and Sanitarium became One, For Whom the Bell Tolls and The Thing became Harvester of Sorrow, Damage Inc. became Dyer's Eve, plus the instrumentals, etc.
(*Edit: meant to say Harvester of Sorrow, not The Shortest Straw XD)
@@kafkapharnaum2690 it sucked that the bass was turned down in ajfa but id say it still as good as previous albums
@@breadaholic6445 For sure. Even if obviously it's missing something, on the other hand it kinda gave it a really unique, clear and cutting sound
@@kafkapharnaum2690 yeah its still one of my favorite albums because of the uniqueness of the sound
@@kafkapharnaum2690 and quality
Just of note about the modulation point, F# and A are relative keys meaning that F#min is the same as Amaj and vice versa. What this relative keys thing actually means is that they share all of the same notes, Amaj and F#m have the exact same notes in the scale
I'd assume it's one of 2 reasons: Either, 1 - they believe their first effort can be bettered, that whatever changes they've made artistically would allow for a more interesting sound or that a new version with different lyrics would fit their new album ie artistic reasons. The 2nd option is, it was popular and they want that popularity/money again
If they wanted to make Enter Sandman 2 they would have made it, just like they did with The Unforgiven
I've known this shit since 96 its just enter sandman in reverse. The phrasing of the riff. I knew it in 96 when I first heard it and when I played it. I think it's intentional because at the end of the song Hetfield whispers Off to never never land.
Pull me under->On the backs of angels
Low Man’s Lyric off Reload is basically Tuesday’s Gone from skynyrd and
I know sometimes it's done as a sort of companion piece. Not metal songs, but the most recent example I can think of is Post Malone. Staring at the Sun and Sunflower are both very similar, but then you crack open a textbook and learn young sunflowers are known for following the sun across the sky, or "staring" at it, if you will. There's a thematic connection, or maybe both songs are about the same person, it's a more literary approach to songwriting. Or the first song was a massive hit and they like money, that's also a possibility.
Bands do that sometimes. If you release 10 albums, some songs are bound to be similar. But to some bands it happens more often than others. "Fuel" and "Hate Train" share their main riff also from Metallica.
Honestly you got me really astonished because in the 90's I never thought about similarities.
Both the songs worked fine for me, playing was fun and good to get my fingers warmed up for the real thrash stuff.
In fact there are also similarities to the verse of "The Unforgiven III".
But honestly, you find similarities in so many verses like "the memory remains" or "the unforgiven III", in my ears this is just the way of staying true to a style of songwriting.
That means, you create lots of songs, you never put on the album, cause you need to filter those songs that don't match to your band.
Both "Load" and "ReLoad" nearby totally composed in Eb stemming have been experimental, in a time, where Seattle grunge became a revolution against mainstream and metal got into a real crisis.
My friends and I, all metalheads then thought that our beloved thrash/death/doom metal is going to die out.
So before luck runs out, you compose the way it went best.
You may see "until it sleeps" as close to "unforgiven I" as it is close to parts of "the day that never comes" or "fade to black".
Listen to the recent album and you will hear some snare parts of "one"...
There are lots of bands publishing albums with the same sound like before and way less variation in the compositions. But hey, that's the way of famous artists, they do what they want.
But in the 90's it was also their way to stay in tune with the new situation.
And they were creative: look at videos they then did (until it sleeps", "the memory remains"), but it was quite a long way to find back to thrash.
When Robert Trujillo came into the band you find the band levelled up in every way. The got backwind live and improved their songwriting.
So finally my conclusion is, that this is just the way of Metallica making music - it's their style.
#Gabe Smith
No pressure by the label, just survival
Did you mean *AC/DC’s entire discography*
Conor Murphy it's still good obvs
I was gonna comment this, but then I realized it's not really what they do. They have just honed in on SUCH a specific style and stick to it (HARD) in almost everything they do. It's not really ripping off their own biggest hit, though...
I literally thought the exact same thing in the first 2 min of the video
Did you mean *the entirety of the pop music industry*
@@Yenneffer Ahahahahahaha! Good one, cathartic even.
The end of King Nothing even has James say “off to never never land....”
For me that kinda means it’s a spiritual successor rather than a rip-off. Metallica clearly knew what they did. It wasn’t unintentional. Still rocks tho!
Just came down to comment that lmao
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EmperorTigerstar Believe it or not I never noticed till now and I’ve been listening to Metallica since I was little 😂 I about shit myself when I heard it for the first time 🤣🤣🤣
EmperorTigerstar that’s a call back,
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It's because he would try to defend melattica?
The line is "Where's your crown King Nothing?". Despite all the striving, wishing and boasting the person has nothing.
It's a kinda cool line. I don't think it's cringy.
I should have been more specific. It isn't the lyric that makes me cringe it's the way it was delivered melodically.
Become The Knight I don’t think that’s cringy either. A bit cliched for them, sure, but it sounds satisfying to me since the other instruments drop out all at once.
@@trevorganoe748 The line itself is nowhere near as cringy as ''we're off to never never land''
If it would have been "would you crown king nothing" I would have cringed so hard.
@@BecomeTheKnight I kinda see where you're coming from Mike. It seems like they're trying to squeeze it in while in Enter Sandman it flows perfectly well.
On this episode of John Fogerty: how to plagiarize ones self
Greg Drb is it even possible to plagiarize your own material?
@@gregdrb2413 You're correct, A former manager I think, tried to sue Fogerty for "The Old Man Down The Road" sounding like " Run Through the Jungle". He wrote both and if I'm correct, owned the rights as well to the CCR songs. It didn't go to far once everyone realized what was going on.
Metallica even acknowledged this at the very end of King Nothing, with their "off to never never land" line.
And how to get sued by your band mates!
Load and Reload are two really underrated albums. They have some great songs on them. Their biggest downfall is that they are a bit bloated. But other than that they're pretty solid.
super ward If a completely different band wrote those albums they’re decent albums agreed. but from a band that wrote “Ride The Lightning” “AJFA” & “Master Of Puppets”‘ those albums are terrible.
@@dmusiclife5727 you have a opinion i respect that but come on bleeding me fuel king nothing all great hits !!
MaJ Fuel & King Nothing are great songs. actually the only two songs I like off those albums. But they set the bar way to high with their previous releases.
super ward Despite not really caring about lyrics, they aren't also very great in those albums
Dylan Donis The big 3 albums?
“King Nothing” was originally meant to be a sequel to “Enter Sandman” - hence the similarities, and the soft vocal in the outro “off to never never land”.
Source...?
RetrO you’re pushing your luck there.
I saw/heard that in an interview years ago. I recall hearing or reading it again elsewhere since.
Omg Metallica sounds like Metallica lol.... it's almost like the same band wrote both songs.
ikr???
that's really impressive!! i've listening to music for more than two decades, and I HAVE NEVER noticed it!!!! BANDS THAT HAVE A PECULIAR SOUND and make similar songs!!!
it's just MIND BLOWING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
spread the news!!!
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That isn't at all what this song is saying.
Fuck I really hope he doesn’t do one of these for green day... he’ll be here till mid way through the next century comparing songs
@@davidgreen8768 green day, ramones, foo fighters, ac/dc, iron maiden, kiss, slayer... the list goes on and on
recipe: create a clickbait thumbnail and name for your video, add a great band to it and that's it... be controversial, make sure you will create a certain amount of polemic, just ramble about some overly known fact for some minutes, and you've made youtube content...
ps: IMPORTANT - DO NOT FORGET to talk about it, like it was some crazy revelation
@@Liece45 he acts like he's written hit songs.
I'm gonna just say it, Enter Sandman and King Nothing sound nothing alike
This whole video is a stretch at best.
Yah
They are both the same formula
@@hoodootheclown929 So are Fade To Black, Welcome Home and One.
@@stevebarnard8580 no, actually they aren't. Although, all three do use that E/B chord.
Pretty much every metal band stole from Metallica so I suppose they should be allowed to steal from themselves
And Metallica ripoffed Motorhead and Venom. Lars has admitted that, so don't come after me.
Metallica ripedoff Dave mustaine songs
Ace of Spades and Diamondhead too
@@JuanCarlos-ch8ix zzzzzz
The way that James says “off to never never land” makes me wonder if it was something he was making fun of. Like maybe they had pressure from the label to make an Enter Sandman clone to get record sales. I don’t know enough about Metallica to say whether or not that’s true but maybe something to think about.
That's actually my question for a long time too!
This makes the most sense to me.
Maybe not so much the label but Bob Rock wanting another shot at making money.
He said once in an interview that he played the song for a friend from another band and his friend said that the song is structurally identical to Enter Sandman, so he decided to put that "off to never never land" at the end as a homage to his own song.
I can see this being plausible but I feel like they would of told the label to eat shit. Or I hope they would have
Kid: mom can we get Enter Sandman
Mom: no we have Enter Sandman at home
Lol on the real though King Nothing is a solid song
I actually like king nothing more than enter sandman
I like the king nothing riff much better than enter sandman tbh
yes much better
yeah, it's a damn good riff.
imo one of the best Metallica riffs ever
Me too
Probably because you haven't heard King Nothing a million times 😂
Wasn't it "Where's your crown, King Nothing?"
Future mike knew this
Eyyyyy. Kirk wrote both main riffs.
@@el_huguito well..
A) its an observation which i heard from a youtuber, and even tested out myself. whoever writes the main riff of a metallica song, is generally credited first in the crediting. e.g,: blackened has jason, ktulu has mustaine
B) it is very similar to sandman, which also hammett wrote, and he just overall writes some of their catchiest riffs.
C) kirk and lars were leading the load and reload sound direction and concept design, from the hard rock sounds to even the album covers, it was their idea, hence it is one of kirks most credited albums, and its the first album where kirk also records the riffs, since before load, all main riffs were recorded by james and then doubled.
just makes the most sense to me.
Pull Me Under and On the Backs of Angels are eerily similar. Structurally the same.
Jordan Lutz both fantastic songs :D
Under a glass moon and Lost not forgotten
The entire “a dramatic turn of events” album is “images and words” part 2
@UCGp5nMvKV-U-zZ2XYNy-lPg huh? I didn't notice that at all. Gotta listen to in the name of God again
Was gonna suggest that.
I never noticed how similar they were until i started playing guitar and tried to learn them both. I prefer King Nothing over Enter Sandman tbh. King Nothing is a banger
it's that lead riff on your way to the chorus, just the way it sets the tone and just winds into those bends, it's cool as fuck.
“Would you crown King Nothing” is a cringe line, fortunately he doesn’t say that
It's "WHERE'S your crown."
I don’t think I would crown him
He’s nothing
I prefer King Nothing
*fight me*
When I saw them back in 2015, King Nothing had a better audience participation than Enter Sandman. You're not alone
I completely agree, I’ve always liked it lore and especially so since Sandman is over played.
I like both, but I'll play King before Sandman any day. Both get me pumped, though.
Agreed, man. Agreed.
Totally agree with you there.
King Nothing is better musically and lyrically.
Don't bother to change my mind.
Agreed.
Lyrically for sure.... Musically I believe Enter Sandman hits harder... But it's a really close call between those two..
Facks
It’s called “signature sound”. They fill that signature sound it’s best heard with a certain pattern and tempo with familiar chord arrangement.
Am I the only one who doesn't think they're similar at all?
You played the main riffs and... yeah, no, they sound completely different. King Nothing uses several notes that Sandman doesn't, and like you said, they have different grooves. (And isn't that what makes riffs unique? Think of all the 000000000-riffs!)
The Sandman pre-chorus riff is the opening riff modulated, and King Nothing has a completely different riff in a different key. How does that make them similar?
The choruses are completely different.
Wah-solo after chorus. Like every Metallica song.
I guess the structures are kinda similar, but come on, that's a very common structure for a song. Why don't you talk about how Fade to Black, Sanitarium, One, etc are the same song? They're much more similar than these.
Yeah they're pretty different
a lot of truth in this comment
Lol you're all deaf.
It’s literally the exact same structure though
@@JaxTheRiffer nothing to do with deafness, being there is only 8 notes in a chromatic scale, notes are going to be reused. The overall feel of both songs is rather different.
Unpopular opinion (maybe idk): King Nothing slaps 3x harder than Enter Sandman. Come at me.
I agree. The whole black album is overrated as fuck.
@@judythepunk461 I wouldn’t say the whole, but the main 5(sandman, sad, Unforgiven, roam, and matters) yeah, definitely.
And then there's Slither on Reload, aka Enter Sandman 3
That’s where I thought he was going with this. Glad I’m not the only one that could hear the two songs being so similar lol
I’ve never listened to Slither so closely. Will have to check it out again.
Shmick ! Idk that it copies enter sandman’s structure and everything like king nothing but the riff just sounds like a shittier enter sandman
Except that Slither fucking sucks, Sandman is good (but overplayed), and King Nothing is just badass.
And that's coming from a guy who LOVES ReLoad. Bad Seed and Slither are the only two songs that I don't like on it.
Enter Sandman is sooo overplayed...
But everytime I hear that riff start, I crank it up. It drives hard and I might as well call it a guilty pleasure, being not amongst my favorite Metallica songs.
Same
I wish I could stop calling it a guilty pleasure
Well who wouldnt want to earn double the money?
This is variation on a theme and has been happening in music since... forever.
Wow - that's uncanny how close they actually are...
King nothing sounds like the enter sandman cassette melted.
Metallica stole Enter Sandman riff from Stone - Get Stoned
really?
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@@RasuS that actually sounds very similar
What about the intro of Tapping into the Emotional Void by Excel?
@@Supervideo1491 Wasn't it released in 1989 and Get Stoned was released in 1988
5:47 *The E-police didn’t like that*
King Nothing is very underrated. Sandman rules
But Metallica stole Enter Sandman riff from Stone - Get Stoned
Try writing dozens and dozens of songs and keeping everything original and separate from other songs you’ve wrote.
Jason I think it’s more how they are so blatant about ripping of their own material. It’s on the following album and they actually reference the original in the rip-off. That’s what makes it so incredible. I suppose you’ve got to give them points for honesty...
@@baileeparkes9316 how are you "blatantly" ripping off your own material if you wrote it to begin with? That's part of being a song writer is that you can reuse an idea and create something new.
I literally repeat riffs and ideas throughout all my bands albums to give a sense of cohesiveness and connectiveness. Nothing wrong with it.
Okay but if you just take the main riff from another song of yours, slow it down, and give the "new" song a new chorus, that's a blatant ripoff. Unpopular opinion of mine: I actually like King Nothing 1,000x more than Enter Sandman, but that doesn't mean it's an original song. It's okay to reuse an idea, but being that blatant without acknowledgement is insane
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“Kirk Wahmmett. I’m not talking shit I just think the meme is funny” same
I can agree that the structure is almost exact but I can’t hear the similarities in the riffs. Maybe it’s cuz I’m musically inept but they still sound very different to me.
And I for one think “where’s your crown king nothing” is pretty cool. Obviously Enter Sandman is way more intense and epic but I do like King Nothing
Fade to black is Metallica´s most re used song though:
Welcome Home
One
Unforgiven (Is a reverse of it)
Unforgiven 2
The Day that Never comes
I think the “clone” comes from the artist writing something they like. Maybe they cant recognize it but its sounds good to then because its familiar.
Wait till this guy hears "Slither"
I guess that explains off to never never land at the end of King Nothing.
“Expendable Youth” and “Skeletons of Society” by Slayer are pretty much the same riff.
And are on the same album it confuses me every time I listen to seasons of the abyss. Slayer just uses the same riff over and over just listen to reign in blood.
I love people overanalyzing musical ideas from people who don't technically know all that they're doing.
Also, you missed some of the vocal harmonies they both have.
Woah it’s almost like they were written by the same band..
As someone who writes riffs myself, sometimes you come up with alternate versions of riffs and they don't always get used, and then you can use them later if you want to. King Nothing riff could have very well been written during the creation of Enter Sandman and simply scrapped, only to be used later.
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@@putridabomination yeah🤣🤣🤘🤘
Opinion on S&M²?
something iam confused about is that the youtube ad says in cinemas for one night only, but its been showing for almost a week, although not every single day
SS&2(S&M)&MM
@@conormurphy4328 your maths teacher would be proud
They did the same thing with "One" and "The Day That Never Comes"
and Fade to Black and One
Those are just all rip offs of Pink Floyd's goodbye blue sky.
@@MrParkerman6 lol
Wow; I can hear how they sound....... nothing alike. And if they did sound similar; they're written by the same band. Have you listened to AC/DC.
Mike can you investigate how Enter sandman & Shepherd of fire are similar.
Well it's because the whole Hail to the King album is sort of a tribute to Metallica's Black Album,that's what I've heard.
AtheistZ This and also This Means War is their version of Sad But True
@@metaldeth166 Not specifically the Black Album - just classic metal in general.
I’m surprised you didn’t play the king nothing music video when you played the enter sandman one
I like both songs. I think it’s a nod to what got them to where they are. “Hey thanks for making us millions and giving us the freedom to explore new musical directions but here’s something familiar to let you know it’s still us.”
I actually find "where's your crown king nothing?" part to be really dope, and it's also the reason I like the song. Apart from that, cool video ;)
King nothing because enter sandman is way to overplayed
"Where's your crown King Nothing?" isn't any lamer than "Off to Never Never Land" tbh
King Nothing has a fuckin kickass tagline if you ask me. Sandman doesn't. I legit cringe every time I hear "off to never never land" because it's genuinely very lame. And even though "where's you crown king nothing" isn't great on that front, it's still badass
“Off to never never land” was all anyone needed to hear the first time around to put the two together.
So Metallica sounds an awful lot like themselves.
There’s was enough old Metallica on the load albums to keep me happy, and their experimental songs I liked and still enjoy today.
SM2 Outlaw torn performance was pretty epic.
It’s “Where’s your crown King Nothing” not “Would You Crown King Nothing”
Butchers the damn line.. 😒
This video is a stretch brah. Go back to the drawing board.
"When a band has a song that is commercially successful, they feel the need to rewrite it, and idk why"
I think ya kinda answered your question there, Mike
It actually sounds cool when you play the two riffs together!
Bro it’s “Where’s your crown King Nothing?” Not “Would you crown king nothing”. I know it’s not a huge difference but it’s slightly cooler
The Metallica Sandman trilogy is: Enter Sandman, King nothing and Slither.
WE could apply this to numerous Metallica tracks. Fade to black, Sanitarium, One..All have very similar progressions, Intros, verse vs chorus, lead based bridges between, all the way to the epic signature endings.
This two song so familiar, and specially they both was used in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure from part 7 & 8
_coincident? I think NOT_
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED THAT;-P!!!
I’m quite happy Metallica just did that, so we’ve got 2 great songs! Cheers. Richard
Where’s your crown King Nothing is an awesome line...
Every +10min Iron Maiden Song
bruh
All of them are incredible tho
Red and the black sounds different to empire of the clouds sounds different to rime of the ancient mariner
@@britishnerd3919 That's kind of what I was thinking tbh. Sure, a lot of 10+ min Iron Maiden songs do sound kinda dull and samey, but you can't knock Rime of the Ancient Mariner, that song deserved every minute of its length.
Rob i’d put Rime of the Ancient Mariner as Maiden’s second best song of all time. Only behind hallowed be thy name
I cant deny that they’re very similar, but i still like both songs
I don't hear any similarities whatsoever.
The most egregious example of this in my opinion was how Megadeth completely rehashed Blackmail The Universe for their latest album, Dystopia, with the song Lying In State.
It aggravated me, to put it mildly.
Great video!
Also:
Dream No More = Sad But True + The Thing that Should Not Be
Now that We're Dead = Eye of the Beholder + Devil's Dance
And Metallica's not alone in releasing clones or (hopefully) improved versions of their works:
Queen: Another One Bites the Dust = Fun It
Nightwish: Elan = Nemo
Dream Theater: A Dramatic Turn of Events = Images and Words
People already talked about this when Load was released
Me: mom I want "Enter Sandman"
Mom: we have enter sandman at home.
Enter Sandman at home : King Nothing.
I honestly prefer King Nothing over Enter Sandman
I remember reading an interview with Hetfield right after Load was released, and he specifically stated that King Nothing was a sequel to Enter Sandman. So the similarities were intentional, hence the "Off to Never-Neverland" line at the end of King Nothing.
Uh just a question Mike! Plagiarist or Plagiarism is copying someone else’s work, thus passing off there copied work as there own! So not too be the asshole here, but red lines in the thumb nails pointing at James stating he is a Plagiarist, which could be taken out of context and in to court! Also it’s nothing that new that bands reverse engineer there own songs to create something new! Oh my SJW sponsored! lmao !
1:29 Anyone else feel like mike has had to deal with this personally many (many) times... it's fine they'll come eventually Mike
"Slither" is another Sandman clone. I don't think it's structurally as similar as "King Nothing" is but it's certainly somewhat derivative.
I feel like my intelligence dropped by listening to this. This is not a lady’s man.
The worst offender I heard was Shadow of the Wind by Black Sabbath and then Breaking into Heaven by Heaven & Hell.
Probably it's just laziness that leads to self-plagiarism, or it might be an accident, as a person is going to have the same ideas every once in a while, I know I have. Or maybe it might be pressure from execs "you've got to have a hit like Enter Sandman"
Did you see the S&M2? Thoughts(if you did)?
Perhaps King Nothing is a spiritual prequel to Enter Sandman? The King goes from a metaphorical Nothing (yeah you boast and wish but you’re nothing) to now literal nothingness and all records of him are now dust in the wind that flies off to never land? In Enter Sandman, the King is forever haunted by nightmares while being reincarnated as a child in the forsaken place that is Never land?
Listen to Slither from reload. Sound exactly like enter sandman
hmmm... threading a thin line here... songs follow the same scales/structure... change the rhythm and it’s different ... what are you trying to prove here? trying to get something going on your channel I believe...
Metallica going for a cash grab? Inconceivable!
They’d never sell out like that
*Where’s your crown, King Nothing?* is the coolest line James ever wrote. It taunts narcissists. I will die on this hill.
I find it hilarious that everyone in the comments is missing the point.
Michael hasn't said they're the same song, but that they have the same structure, layout, and have basically the same riff.
Not that they are identical.
You want to hear REAL plagiarism? Listen to King Nothing, then Counting the Days by Collective Soul. You'll laugh your ass off.
"I don't know why they do this"
Hey Mike, let me tell a story about this guy called MONEY!
Sandman doesnt sound anything like King Nothing. Its in the same key but thats it
Well, Dream Theater creates a parody of themselves with every new album. That’s almost the same as cloning themselves. They’re almost unlistenable these days.
I feel like slither is more similar to enter sandman
None of their songs are similar to sandman.
Though I agree this is all true.... I still think it's just as good of a song and I kinda like it more, that might just be biased from me growing up with Load tho
Dude. You are reaching Here. These songs are in two different keys, different speeds, tones, writing styles, etc etc. the riffs structure wise may have some similarities and the composition layouts are somewhat similar but I mean come on...King Nothing was written as a sequel to Enter Sandman. Otherwise, I’m not buying this theory. Love the premise tho.
King nothing so good better than enter sandman in my opinion
Love the part where's your crown King nothing ohh you just nothing